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Re: [Sip] INFO and what to do about it?

I'm with Eric on this. I worked for awhile and the results seemed futile, so I'm not overly motivated to start again. But if there is some possibility of reaching a conclusion then I'll join in.
Certainly I agree with Martin that there are lots of deployments and support for INFO in some form. But most of them are non-standard in one way or another. And I think this leaves us in a Catch-22 situation:
- we can just bless unrestricted use of INFO. But that would serve no purpose, and wouldn't enhance interoperability.
- or we can formalize rules for negotiating usages of INFO. That will provide the potential of enhanced interop. But then all the existing deployments will be incompatible with it. 

	Paul

DOLLY, MARTIN C, ATTLABS wrote:

Deployments and support of INFO is a reality, unlike some of the other
(@#$ in SIP.

So either you believe it is real, or you hide your head under the covers
and pretend that there are no ghosts in the closet. 
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Subject: Re: [Sip] INFO and what to do about it?

If people care, I'll work, but if nobody cares, I won't.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Cullen Jennings <fluffy at cisco.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:49:00 To:Dean Willis <dean.willis at softarmor.com> 
Cc:sip at ietf.org, Jon Peterson <jon.peterson at neustar.biz>
Subject: Re: [Sip] INFO and what to do about it?
Personally, I'd like to see some coherent discussion around it in a WG meeting then try to get to consensus on it. The totally number of people bothering to follow the conversation at this point is extremely low. 

On Jun 18, 2008, at 10:08 PM, Dean Willis wrote:


I asked:



We've been batting INFO around for many, many years now (like, 10 --
it predates the SIP working group). A couple of meetings back, we
agreed that we would discuss use cases for INFO packages, and if we
didn't find any consensus there, then we would go ahead and 
publish an

"INFO Considered Harmful" RFC.
We tried having this discussion at the last IETF, but that just 
didn't

work out.

Do we try again, or just give up and publish "INFO Considered
Harmful"?
Personally, I don't care anymore -- I just want to drive a stake 
into
the heart of this undead-thing, cut off its head, stuff the mouth 
with

holy wafers, and bury it at a crossroads somewhere.

But this WG only slays by consensus, so what do you want?

Several people (Jonathan, Mary, Christer, Paul) have responded to the
list  with various things that added up to "Publish INFO packages AND
document the extension models for SIP". So far, nobody has suggested
otherwise.

Does anybody want to do anything else? Speak now or forever visualize
whirled peas.

--
Dean




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