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Re: [Sipping] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-sipping-toip-05.txt

Dear Radhika,

note that when a draft becomes a WG item, the chairs are free to assign
one or more editors for that draft. There is no requirement that the new
editor or editors are among the original authors of the draft. Of
course, credit should always be given to the original authors.

The role of the editors is to document WG consensus. That is, write text
that reflects the consensus of the WG.

In this case, the chairs have assigned two editors that edited the
latest revision of this draft. All the original authors appear in the
contributors section. Therefore, all the original authors have received
the credit they deserve. Note that, as pointed out by Mary, "The
Contributors section is intended to provide a level of recognition
greater than an acknowledgment and nearly equal to listing on the front
page".

Regarding Tom, he reviewed the draft, and he has been credited for that.

Hope this explanation makes things clearer.

Thanks,

Gonzalo
SIPPING co-chair


Roy, Radhika R. wrote: 
Hi, Mary:

I hope that you would consider my suggestion seriously.

Again, I restate that Tom Taylor should be the ONLY sole "EDITOR" of
this draft. In this way, IETF can show fairness, respect, and justice
to all co-authors.

The IETF/WG is always authorized to assign EDITOR for a draft. In
this case, it is the most appropriate thing to do for you as you are
leading this process.

Best regards, Radhika

BTW: Why am I suggesting so? It is a long story. The present
self-declared TWO editors were not even the ORIGINAL co-authors of
the draft that we were trying to develop among the co-authors. In a
twist of events how these tow folks become self-declared editors
without the consent of all the co-authors of the original draft is
another mystery. Let us not dig into the past. I do not blame the
IETF process, but it shows the another side of the coin.

By the way, anyone can be assigned to editorship if all co-authors
agree (when the IETF/WG does not intervene). But no one has the right
to become the co-author without contributing. This is the bottom
line.

_____

From: sipping-bounces at ietf.org on behalf of Roy, Radhika R. Sent: Wed
6/28/2006 11:14 AM To: Mary Barnes Cc: sipping at ietf.org Subject: RE:
[Sipping] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-sipping-toip-05.txt



Hi, Mary:

Yes, it should be corrected as it is supposed to be. But, still I do
not like that there should be two co-editors. It makes all of the
co-authors of this draft look like some kinds of unwanted persons to
start with. It brings the very integrity of the persons into
question.

I would rather propose that Tom should be the ONLY EDITOR of this document while all others should be shown as the authors/contributors
of this draft without showing a long list of all addresses.

This correction will make a big difference and will be fair to all co-authors.

Definitely, I agree with you, and appreciate that you taken a very prompt step to mitigate all differences.

Best regards, Radhika

-----Original Message----- From: Mary Barnes
[mailto:mary.barnes at nortel.com <mailto:mary.barnes at nortel.com> ] Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 11:02 AM To: Roy, Radhika R.;
sipping at ietf.org Subject: RE: [Sipping] I-D
ACTION:draft-ietf-sipping-toip-05.txt

Radhika,

They could label section 10 as "Editors' Addresses" and that would accurately reflect the approach taken for the last round of updates
to that document and address your concern. The editors switched to
the model of Editor/Contributor roles, based on the recommendation of
the chairs, in order to avoid the problem of having a long list of
Authors, which is something the RFC editor recommends against. As
well, having a long list of authors often dramatically slows down the
publication process as the RFC editor will NOT publish a document
without approval from all the authors listed on the title page. This
model has been used for the publication of other documents in the
SIPPING and SIP WGs and seems to work quite efficiently.

Regards, Mary

-----Original Message----- From: Roy, Radhika R.
[mailto:RADHIKA.R.ROY at saic.com <mailto:RADHIKA.R.ROY at saic.com> ] Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 4:01 PM To: sipping at ietf.org Subject:
RE: [Sipping] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-sipping-toip-05.txt


Folks:

There seems to a need for corrections in this draft as follows:

The document shows that there are TWO editors. At the same time, the same two editors are also shown as only SOLE authors.

The question is this: Why do these same two persons need to be
editors as well as authors?

Do they not to write that they are the authors instead of being two editors?

Who can help us to clarify this?

Best regards, Radhika R. Roy


-----Original Message----- From: sipping-bounces at ietf.org
[mailto:sipping-bounces at ietf.org <mailto:sipping-bounces at ietf.org> ]
On Behalf Of Internet-Drafts at ietf.org Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006
3:50 PM To: i-d-announce at ietf.org Cc: sipping at ietf.org Subject:
[Sipping] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-sipping-toip-05.txt

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Session Initiation
Proposal Investigation Working Group of the IETF.

Title : Framework for real-time text over IP using the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Author(s) : A. Van Wijk, G.
Gybels Filename : draft-ietf-sipping-toip-05.txt Pages
: 26 Date : 2006-6-27

This document lists the essential requirements for real-time Text- over-IP (ToIP) and defines a framework for implementation of all required functions based on the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) and
the Real-Time Transport Protocol (RTP). This includes interworking between Text-over-IP and existing text telephony on the PSTN and
other networks.

A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-sipping-toip-05.txt <http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-sipping-toip-05.txt>


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