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At 12:15 AM +0200 7/2/08, Simon Josefsson wrote:
Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman at vpnc.org> writes:At 4:37 PM -0400 7/1/08, Richard M Stallman wrote:All that is true, but doesn't the IETF have ways to press the big companies to say whether they have any patents over a proposed standard?No.That is a rather terse answer.
Good catch.
The IETF has RFC 3979, in particular section 6.1, which says that IETF participants must file a disclosure when he knows about his own patents in IETF contributions, and is encouraged to file a disclosure for patents owned by others. That count as a "yes" answer to this question for me. To clarify, the IETF has RFC 3979 as the instrument to pressure big companies to file these notifications, through the individuals who participate in the IETF. Could you elaborate on why you believe "no" is the correct answer?
Richard said "ways to press", and I assumed that he meant what he said. I also assumed that he had read BCP 79. Nothing in BCP 79 allows the IETF to press on someone who doesn't abide by it. BCP 79 tells you how to comply with the IETF procedures of you want to. We want everyone to want to comply; we know that some companies don't.
The fact that two or three people want to bring this discussion up on as many IETF mailing lists as possible as often as possible doesn't change the truth.
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