Re: [TLS] Proto write-up for TLS exporter

["Joseph Salowey (jsalowey)" <jsalowey at cisco.com>]

You're both absolutely right, when I looked at the PDF file on the
website I didn't connect that it was from October (I wonder if there was
another one previous that was supplanted by the October one).   Also,
the sentiment I related was from offline discussions and does not
represent working group consensus.  I'll update the write-up to include
the document title and the revised IPR discussion section below.   I'll
also hold off on forwarding to the IESG for a few days in case
discussion develops.  

Thanks for reading the PROTO write-up, its better to catch this now:

   (1.d) Does the Document Shepherd have any specific concerns or 
          issues with this document that the Responsible Area Director 
          and/or the IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps he 
          or she is uncomfortable with certain parts of the document, or

          has concerns whether there really is a need for it. In any 
          event, if the WG has discussed those issues and has indicated 
          that it still wishes to advance the document, detail those 
          concerns here. Has an IPR disclosure related to this document 
          been filed? If so, please include a reference to the 
          disclosure and summarize the WG discussion and conclusion on 
          this issue. 

The document shepherd has no concerns with the document.  There is an
IPR disclosure that lists this document:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1004/.  Although the IETF IPR
disclosure was posted in October, a reference was only recently posted
to the TLS list.  So far, there has been little discussion on this in
the working group.  Discussions outside the working group between the
chairs and others seem to indicate that the IPR is applicable to cases
where ECC certificates are used. 

Thanks,

Joe


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Hoffman [mailto:paul.hoffman at vpnc.org] 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:37 AM
> To: Simon Josefsson; Joseph Salowey (jsalowey)
> Cc: TLS at ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [TLS] Proto write-up for TLS exporter
> 
> First off, the write-up doesn't say which document it is for. 
> I assume that it is for draft-ietf-tls-extractor-05.txt.
> 
> 
> At 5:59 PM +0200 5/12/09, Simon Josefsson wrote:
> >"Joseph Salowey (jsalowey)" <jsalowey at cisco.com> writes:
> >
> >>           concerns here. Has an IPR disclosure related to 
> this document
> >>           been filed? If so, please include a reference to the
> >>           disclosure and summarize the WG discussion and 
> conclusion on
> >>           this issue.
> >>
> >> The document shepherd has no concerns with the document.  
> There is an 
> >> IPR disclosure that lists this document:
> > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1004/.  The contents of this 
> > > disclosure
> >> where originally posted to the list on June 30, 2008
> > > (http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/tls/current/msg02770.html).
> >
> >That post does not relate to the #1004 patent disclosure.  The post 
> >refers to the January 2006 license, which did not reference TLS 
> >exporter.
> 
> Simon is correct.
> 
> >The #1004 patent disclosure refers to the October 2008 license.
> 
> Yep.
> 
> > > The general sentiment is that the IPR is applicable to 
> cases where 
> > > ECC
> >> certificates are used.
> >
> >Can you provide a reference for this?  Who has made that 
> interpretation?
> 
> Yes, please. I am not aware of any even vague consensus on 
> what IPR #1004 means or applies to.
> 
> --Paul Hoffman, Director
> --VPN Consortium
>