Re: [Tools-discuss] historic mailing list archives

[Lars Eggert <lars.eggert at nokia.com>]

Hi,

On 2008-7-18, at 15:18, ext Frank Ellermann wrote:
> Lars Eggert wrote:
> > none of these third-party sites is ever complete
>
> Actually *NO* site is ever complete, beginning with
> the IETF, because that's a complex issue:

Understood.

> > the data isn't under our control, they can go away
> > and we're left with no archive.
>
> My confidence in GMaNe is stronger than in the IETF
> wrt list archives:

I have no opinion about the longevity/availability of gmane, never  
having used it.

> GMaNe has search, NNTP access, various web interfaces
> with nice picons, access by Message-ID, permalinks,
> and the killer application:  Access on a raw message
> including all headers, exactly what I need to check
> obscure mail and MIME issues.  GMaNe can also filter
> obscure "list footers" or "subject tags".

> The IETF list archives offer none of these features,
> all essential from my POV.

I note that all this is about archive features, not about archive  
longevity/availability. I agree that they are nice features, maybe  
even essential ones, but availability trumps them all.

To understand my point, go to http://tools.ietf.org/wg/concluded and  
click on various archive URLS. Observe how few give you anything other  
than a 404, and even those that do usually just show you different  
kinds of error page. This is the case even for recently concluded WGs  
such as pki4ipsec or, ahem, infamous WGs such as newtrk.

> Of course it's good to
> have more than one archive as backup.  And the IETF
> certainly needs its own archives for legal reasons
> among others.

Right. These are our lists, and we need to maintain their archive.

Lars
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