[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index]
[tsvwg] RSVP Proxy Approaches - Migrating from Proxy RSVP to e2e RSVP
- To: tsvwg list IETF <tsvwg at ietf.org>
- Subject: [tsvwg] RSVP Proxy Approaches - Migrating from Proxy RSVP to e2e RSVP
- From: Francois Le Faucheur <flefauch at cisco.com>
- Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:34:11 +0200
- Authentication-results: ams-iport-1.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none
- Cc: Magnus Westerlund <magnus.westerlund at ericsson.com>, draft-ietf-tsvwg-rsvp-proxy-proto at tools.ietf.org, draft-ietf-tsvwg-rsvp-proxy-approaches at tools.ietf.org
- Delivered-to: tsvwg at core3.amsl.com
- Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=flefauch at cisco.com; l=9082; q=dns/txt; s=amsiport01001; t=1255016055; x=1256225655; h=from:sender:reply-to:subject:date:message-id:to:cc: mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-id: content-description:resent-date:resent-from:resent-sender: resent-to:resent-cc:resent-message-id:in-reply-to: references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:list-owner:list-archive; z=From:=20Francois=20Le=20Faucheur=20<flefauch at cisco.com> |Subject:=20RSVP=20Proxy=20Approaches=20-=20Migrating=20f rom=20Proxy=20RSVP=20to=20e2e=20RSVP|Date:=20Thu,=208=20O ct=202009=2017:34:11=20+0200|Message-Id:=20<AA86E0DB-A7E8 -415C-A5FE-B16A88E3B066 at cisco.com>|To:=20tsvwg=20list=20I ETF=20<tsvwg at ietf.org>|Cc:=20Le=20Faucheur=20Francois=20< flefauch at cisco.com>,=0D=0A=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20Cullen =20Jennings=20<fluffy at cisco.com>,=0D=0A=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20Magnus=20Westerlund=20<magnus.westerlund at ericsson.c om>,=0D=0A=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20draft-ietf-tsvwg-rsvp-p roxy-proto at tools.ietf.org,=0D=0A=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20d raft-ietf-tsvwg-rsvp-proxy-approaches at tools.ietf.org |Mime-Version:=201.0=20(Apple=20Message=20framework=20v10 76)|Content-Transfer-Encoding:=20quoted-printable; bh=KbCYUaWki3XejivGdq5IqaK1D63IaD6hQHvu+Fk90Dk=; b=rpdVJLVspmSuhtdabLSzLkwyO3Pq3Ap9QP8mWtOQh796rZrUxzMPXIwH /ToHMd0/FPEKZcwjvx4pOCaUxDrbsNpolu2UbsD+eaJPoM/T9yLbsm58I UNnpJywa0Xhp2EIKtmKdLlJAkjsEQnohlie7bYU9NKsV0vAd46DMbwjSk 4=;
- List-archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/tsvwg>
- List-help: <mailto:tsvwg-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
- List-id: Transport Area Working Group <tsvwg.ietf.org>
- List-post: <mailto:tsvwg@ietf.org>
- List-subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tsvwg>, <mailto:tsvwg-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
- List-unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tsvwg>, <mailto:tsvwg-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Hello,
Several IESG members brought up a valid concern about the fact that
once RSVP proxy is deployed, it may be difficult to migrate back to an
end-to-end RSVP model. In response to this:
* With respect to the "Path-Triggered Receiver Proxy" approach:
===============================================
We propose to include a discussion of two mechanisms that can
facilitate dynamic migration from a Proxy mode to an e2e RSVP mode:
* Dynamic Discovery: in addition to generating a Resv (that triggers
reservation upstream of the Proxy towards the sender), the Receiver
Proxy can forward the Path message downstream towards the receiver. If
no Resv is received by the Proxy, then it continues operating as a
Proxy. If a Resv is received, then the Proxy converts this into an end-
to-end reservation.
* Sender-influenced Proxy Bypass: this is similar to the NSIS Proxy
flag mechanisms. Except we would propose that the Proxy decision (to
proxy or not proxy) be based on information conveyed inside an RSVP
Policy Element.
You'll find at the bottom of this message proposed text for a
potential additional section discussing this topic of interaction
between proxy and end point (eg to go in proxy-approaches as a new
section 4.1.1).
With respect to "Application-Triggered Proxies":
==================================
We feel it is reasonable to assume that applications that would
control an RSVP Proxy (e.g. a SIP Call Agent) would be aware of a
number of endpoint capabilities including whether it is RSVP-capable
or not. In the first place, the application has to be aware about
which endpoint can be best "served" by which RSVP Proxy anyways when
using Proxies. The application may also consider the QoS preconditions
and QoS mechanisms signaled by an endpoint as per RFC 3312/4032 and
RFC5432. The information about endpoint RSVP capability can then be
used by the application to decide whether to trigger Proxy behavior or
not, for a given endpoint.
With respect to "Inspection-Triggered Sender Proxies":
========================================
Those devices inspect signaling and/or control traffic associated with
a flow in order to trigger reservation establishment. When operating
off signaling traffic, the Proxy may be able to detect from the
signaling that the endpoint is capable of establishing a reservation
(e.g. in the case of SIP via inspection of the RFC3312/4032
Precondition). Otherwise, the proxy can also inspect RSVP signaling
and if it sees RSVP signaling for the flow of interest, it can disable
its sender proxy behavior for that flow (or sender). Optionally,
through RSVP signaling inspection, the sender proxy might also
gradually "learn" (possibly with some timeout) which sender is RSVP
capable of not.
Feedback on this proposal as well as proposed corresponding text below
is welcome.
Francois
=========================================================
Draft text for a proposed additional section discussing this topic of
interaction between proxy and end point (eg to go in proxy-approaches
as a new section 4.1.1).
4.1.1) Interaction between a RSVP receiver proxy and a RSVP-capable
receiver
The presence of a receiver proxy (for a given flow) in the signalling
path will cause the Path message to be terminated and a Resv generated
towards the sender. If the eventual receiver was in fact RSVP capable,
it would not be able to participate in RSVP signalling since it does
not receive the Path. A similar problem exists with multiple receiver
proxies in the path of the flow. It is ideal if the RSVP reservation
spans the entire flow path from source to destination, and highly
desirable that the reservation span as much of the flow path as
possible. This can be achieved in the following ways.
4.1.1.1) Selective receiver proxy
A RSVP receiver proxy MAY be selective about the sessions that it
terminates, based on local policy decision. For example, an edge
router functioning as a receiver proxy MAY only choose to proxy for
Path messages that are actually going to exit the domain in question,
not for Path messages that are transiting through it but stay within
the domain. As another example, the receiver proxy MAY be configurable
to only proxy for flows addressed to a given destination address or
destination address ranges (for which end devices are known to not be
RSVP capable).
The decision to proxy a Resv for a Path may also be based on
information signalled from the sender in the Path message. For
example, the sender may identify the type of application or flow in
the Application-ID Policy Element in the Path, and the receiver proxy
may choose to only proxy for certain types of flows. Or, if the sender
knows through application signalling that the receiver is capable of
signalling RSVP, the sender may include an indication in a Policy
Element to any receiver proxy that it must not terminate the Path (and
conversely, may include an indication to receiver proxies that they
_should_ terminate a Path if the receiver is known not to support
RSVP). A similar functionality is defined in NSIS [draft-ietf-nsis-qos-
nslp].
4.1.1.2) Dynamic discovery of downstream RSVP functionality
When generating a proxy Resv, a receiver proxy MAY choose to forward
the Path message downstream instead of terminating it. If the
destination endpoint supports RSVP, it will receive the Path and
generate a Resv upstream. When this Resv reaches the receiver proxy,
it recognizes the presence of a RSVP-capable receiver downstream and
internally converts its state from a proxied reservation to a regular
midpoint behavior. This dynamic discovery mechanism has the benefit
that new (or upgraded) RSVP endpoints will automatically and
seamlessly support end-to-end flows, without impacting the ability of
a receiver proxy to proxy RSVP for other, non-RSVP-capable endpoints.
This mechanism also achieves the goal of automatically discovering the
longest possible CAC-supporting segment in a network with multiple
receiver proxies along the path. This mechanism dynamically adjusts to
any topology and routing change. Also, this mechanism dynamically
handles the situation where a receiver was RSVP-capable and for some
reason (e.g. software downgrade) no longer is. Finally, this approach
requires no new RSVP extensions and no configuration changes to the
receiver proxy as new RSVP-capable endpoints come and go. The only
identified drawbacks to this approach are:
- If admission control fails on the segment between the receiver proxy
and the RSVP-capable receiver, the receiver will get a ResvError and
can take application-level signalling steps to terminate the call.
However, the receiver proxy has already sent a Resv upstream for this
flow, so the sender will see a “false” reservation which is not truly
end-to-end. The actual admission control status will resolve itself in
a short while, but the sender will need to roll back any permanent
action (such as billing) that may have been taken on receipt of the
phantom Resv. Note that if the second receiver is also a receiver
proxy which is not participating in application signalling, it will
convert the received ResvError into a PathError which will be received
by the first receiver proxy. This proxy can then signal the failure of
the reservation upstream.
- If there is no RSVP-capable receiver downstream of the receiver
proxy, then the Path messages sent by the receiver proxy every refresh
interval (e.g. 30 seconds by default) will never be responded to.
However, these messages consume a small amount of bandwidth, and in
addition may install some RSVP state on RSVP-capable midpoint nodes
downstream of the first receiver proxy. This is seen as a very minor
sub-optimality and observe that such resources would be consumed
anyways if the receiver was RSVP capable. Still, if deemed necessary,
to mitigate this, the receiver proxy MAY tear down any unanswered
downstream Path state after a predetermined time, and stop sending
Path messages for the flow (or do stop at much lower frequency).