Re: [v6ops] Heads up
Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> Tue, 09 November 2010 04:00 UTC
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Cc: IPv6 Operations <v6ops@ietf.org>, Chris Liljenstolpe <chris.liljenstolpe@team.telstra.com>, opsawg@ietf.org, ops-area@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [v6ops] Heads up
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> Chris Liljenstolpe has a proposal that he made in ops-area today, for > a mechanism to create what amounts to an RFC 1918 prefix, but > specifically for use in NAT444 ISP configurations. It involves a > request to the ARIN board. He will write a quick draft and post it > this week, discuss this Thursday in the Ops WG, and call the question > in Friday's v6ops meeting. Due to the real time nature of the > discussion, I'll ask folks to be aware and follow it. i have been fighting against this wrong-headed proposal for a couple of years, since they first tried it in apnic, from which we sent them to ietf. it is a hack which perpetuates their kludge and does not help ipv6 one little bit. they made the current mess and this just delays the inevitable and they'll want some other silliness to bail them out next time. the space will be immediately be used by others, and thus will defeat the alleged purpose of giving them private space with which to stitch together 1918 customers. it will cement in and perpetuate the n-level ipv4 nat model. randy
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- Re: [v6ops] Heads up Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up Randy Bush
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up Joel Jaeggli
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up David Conrad
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up Erik Kline
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up Cameron Byrne
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up Cameron Byrne
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up Ronald Bonica
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up George, Wes E IV [NTK]
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up Ed Jankiewicz
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up Joel Jaeggli
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up Ed Jankiewicz
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up Dave Thaler
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up Arturo Servin
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up (NAT444 & IESG, IANA, ARIN..… John Curran
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up David Conrad
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Rémi Després
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Rémi Després
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Erik Kline
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Soininen, Jonne (NSN-FI/Espoo)
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Joel Jaeggli
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Cameron Byrne
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up Arturo Servin
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea for alloca… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea for alloca… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Cameron Byrne
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… STARK, BARBARA H (ATTLABS)
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Erik Kline
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Cameron Byrne
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… STARK, BARBARA H (ATTLABS)
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Victor Kuarsingh
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Roger Jørgensen
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… George, Wes E IV [NTK]
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… George, Wes E IV [NTK]
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Rémi Després
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Victor Kuarsingh
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Rémi Després
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Marco Hogewoning
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Erik Kline
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… George, Wes E IV [NTK]
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea for alloca… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea f… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea f… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea f… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea for alloca… George, Wes E IV [NTK]
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea for alloca… Tore Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Rémi Després
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea for alloca… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea for alloca… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea for alloca… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea for alloca… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea for alloca… Erik Kline
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea for alloca… Tore Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea for alloca… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Lindqvist Kurt Erik
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea for alloca… Tore Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Chris Donley
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Jason Lin
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Victor Kuarsingh
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Jason Lin
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea f… james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Roger Jørgensen
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Lindqvist Kurt Erik
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Victor Kuarsingh
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… George, Wes E IV [NTK]
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea for alloca… bill manning
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Sam Silvester
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… David Conrad
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea f… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Randy Bush
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… David Conrad
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Leo Vegoda
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Sam Silvester
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea f… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea f… Cameron Byrne
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea for alloca… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Michael Lambert
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea for alloca… David Conrad
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea f… Arturo Servin
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea f… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea for alloca… Richard Hartmann
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea f… David Conrad
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Randy Bush
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Victor Kuarsingh
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Roger Jørgensen
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Randy Bush
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea f… Fred Baker
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea for alloca… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea f… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] [OPS-AREA] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea f… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Richard Hartmann
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea f… Richard Hartmann
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea f… Roger Jørgensen
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… David Conrad
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Victor Kuarsingh
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea f… Michael Newbery
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea f… David Conrad
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea f… Michael Newbery
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea f… Martin Millnert
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea f… David Conrad
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea f… Martin Millnert
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea f… Joel Jaeggli
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea f… james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea f… Randy Bush
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Randy Bush
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea f… Roger Jørgensen
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea f… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea f… Erik Kline
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea for allocati… Sam Silvester
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea f… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- [v6ops] EOM (was: Re: [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea fo… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] EOM (was: Re: [OPSAWG] Heads up - Ple… Randy Bush
- Re: [v6ops] EOM (was: Re: [OPSAWG] Heads up - Ple… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for allocating a /8 t… Antonio Querubin
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea f… Antonio Querubin
- Re: [v6ops] [OPSAWG] [OPS-AREA] Heads up - Plea f… Joel Jaeggli