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RE: mailing list archives
Thanks for your detailed response!
-d
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wgchairs-bounces at ietf.org
> [mailto:wgchairs-bounces at ietf.org] On Behalf Of James M Galvin
> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 8:48 PM
> To: Cullen Jennings; Working Group Chairs
> Cc: Dan Wing
> Subject: Re: mailing list archives
>
> I'm responding to Cullen's message but let me say first that,
> notwithstanding how things appear, I did not see any issues with
> any list archives mentioned in this thread except rai-discuss.
>
> For everyone else, the thing you have to realize is that the IETF
> does not use the Mailman archiving system. Thus, while you can set
> the Mailman archiving option on the administrative pages, which
> will result in Mailman keeping some archives, these archives are
> not the official archives of the IETF. Setting the option is
> simply a duplication of effort.
>
> What some folks are seeing is that when you set the Mailman option
> for a private archive, Mailman adds an "informative" message to the
> listinfo page saying there's a private archive. While it's true
> that Mailman is keeping this private archive, it serves no useful
> purpose except to double disk usage.
>
> IETF mailing list archives are all found here:
>
> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/text/LISTNAME
> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/LISTNAME
>
> Note that this independent archive system has existed at the IETF
> for a very long time, way before Mailman was installed. The
> "issue" is that when Mailman was installed nobody bothered to try
> and integrate the existing archive system into Mailman.
>
> I believe I understand how to do this now. I have a little bit
> more testing to do but, if successful, we can make this apparent
> confusion go away. If it works, the Mailman options will work as
> expected and Mailman will use the external system.
>
> In the meantime, please take note of where your archives are
> supposed to be and feel free to double check that those archives
> are correct.
>
> The problem with rai-discuss is that the list does not have the
> archives subscribed to it. You see, the way this external system
> was "added" to Mailman was to create two special email addresses
> for each mailing list, one for each type of archive. These
> addresses are then subscribed to the mailing list. As long as they
> remain as subscribers then everything works.
>
> It seems that for rai-discuss these special subscribers do not
> exist and are not subscribers to the list. Thus, the archive is
> empty.
>
> If anybody has back messages and can make those available to me I
> will add them to the archive so it is complete.
>
> Other than that, I've asked to have the special aliases created and
> I'll get them subscribed to the list so that all future messages
> are archived.
>
> I'm sorry Cullen but I have no explanation for why these archive
> aliases were neither created nor added to the list of subscribers.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
> -- On Monday, May 12, 2008 2:54 PM -0700 Cullen Jennings
> <fluffy at cisco.com> wrote regarding mailing list archives --
>
> >
> > Something weird seems to be going on with the archives and I
> > don't have enough data points to figure out if it is just stuff
> > that was set up wrong in the past or if something changes. Can
> > folks look at your lists that are at ietf.org and see if
> >
> > 1) did public archives somehow get turned into private achieves ?
> > This might have happened for at least one I know of
> >
> > 2) do the archives still exist for the list
> >
> > Thanks, Cullen
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> > > From: "Dan Wing" <dwing at cisco.com>
> > > Date: May 12, 2008 2:02:08 PM PDT
> > > To: <mankin at psg.com>, "'Jon Peterson'"
> > > <jon.peterson at neustar.biz>, "'Cullen Jennings \(fluffy\)'"
> > > <fluffy at cisco.com>
> > > Subject: rai-discuss archives
> > >
> > > RAI-Discuss list owners:
> > >
> > > At https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rai-discuss, it says:
> > >
> > > To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the
> > > Rai- discuss
> > > Archives. (The current archive is only available to the list
> > > members.)
> > >
> > > Although I am a member of rai-discuss (and logged into mailman)
> > > I cannot view
> > > the archives -- when I go to
> > > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rai-discuss/current/index.
> > > html I only see
> > > the attached.
> > >
> > > What's up with rai-discuss archives?
> > >
> > > -d
>
>