RE: please double-check your charters

["Phelan, Tom" <tphelan at sonusnet.com>]

Hi Henrik,

The milestones on what's currently shown for the DCCP charter
(http://www.ietf.org/dyn/wg/charter/dccp-charter.html and the tools
page) are wrong.  They seem to be a combination of old and new
milestones, and I'm not sure they include all of the current milestones.

Tom P.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Henrik Levkowetz [mailto:henrik at levkowetz.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 5:10 AM
> To: Lars Eggert
> Cc: Ben Campbell; David Harrington; Working Group Chairs; dccp-
> chairs at tools.ietf.org
> Subject: Re: please double-check your charters
> 
> Hi Lars,
> 
> On 2009-10-14 21:27 Lars Eggert said the following:
> > Hi,
> >
> > some far DCCP. Moreover, the dated links on top of the tools page
are
> > also confused.
> 
> The dated links simply reflect when there was a change in what was
pulled
> from the database.  I've been saving the www.ietf.org/ietf/1wg-
> charters.txt
> file multiple times per day since 2006-07-03, and the individual WG
> charter
> history is based on that.
> 
> As far as I can tell from the additional information you provide
below,
> the
> restore after the outage on 2008-02-05 reverted to the old 2006 'is
> chartered'
> version.
> 
> > The more current versions (the ones having "is
> > maintaining" in the first line rather than "is chartered") are dated
> > from 2006...
> >
> > (And I can't tell which one is the actual current one because after
> > the massive recharter from design to maintenance mode - reflected in
> > the wording change above and many other changes - I believe we did
> > some minor rechartering.)
> 
> Could it be that the minor rechartering changed only milestones?  I
only
> recently started including the milestone information in the snapshots
you
> see on http://tools.ietf.org/wg/dccp/charters.
> 
> If so, the charter text from 2006-12-29 should be the correct one (no
> changes were seen during 2007) and hopefully the milestones from the
> 2009-10-14 snapshot are correct.  If the milestones are hopelessly
wrong,
> let me know, and I can produce all the changes since 2006-07-03,
including
> milestone and document information (which I excluded from the charters
> history because it makes it much harder to find actual charter changes
> when 90% of the changes occur in the lists of internet-drafts and
RFCs.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 	Henrik
> 
> 
> >
> > Lars
> >
> > On 2009-10-15, at 2:46, Ben Campbell wrote:
> >
> >> SIMPLE has the charter wrong on both the tools page and the
"current
> >> official charter" page.
> >>
> >> On Oct 14, 2009, at 11:15 AM, David Harrington wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I checked the syslog page and found that the tools.ietf.org
charter
> >>> link showed an older version than the
> >>> http://www.ietf.org/dyn/wg/charter/syslog-charter page (which you
get
> >>> if you click on "current charter" from the tools.ietf.org page.
> >>>
> >>> Henrik is investigating.
> >>>
> >>> I think you probably need to pay attention to which page you
check,
> >>> and report which URL is out of date.
> >>> On the other hand, they already know there is a problem, so
sending
> >>> lots of reports of the same problem won't be that helpful. So you
> >>> might to check to see if you have th eproblem, and then give them
a
> >>> few days to fix it, and check again later.
> >>>
> >>> dbh
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: wgchairs-bounces at ietf.org
> >>>> [mailto:wgchairs-bounces at ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ben Campbell
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:37 AM
> >>>> To: Lars Eggert
> >>>> Cc: Working Group Chairs
> >>>> Subject: Re: please double-check your charters
> >>>>
> >>>> SIMPLE is clearly hosed. How do we go about fixing it?
> >>>>
> >>>> On Oct 14, 2009, at 9:01 AM, Lars Eggert wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> we just found another case of a WG (DCCP) where the charter
> >>>> text was
> >>>>> rolled back to some (much) earlier version during the IETF
> >>>> web site
> >>>>> migration. I suggest that you take a quick look at your
> >>>> charters to
> >>>>> double-check that they say what they should be saying.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Lars
> >>>>>
> >>>>> PS: The milestones were OK, it was the actual charter text
> >>>> that was
> >>>>> outdated.
> >>>>
> >