Re: please double-check your charters

[Henrik Levkowetz <henrik at levkowetz.com>]

Hi Tom,

On 2009-10-15 16:15 Phelan, Tom said the following:
> Hi Henrik,
> 
> The milestones on what's currently shown for the DCCP charter
> (http://www.ietf.org/dyn/wg/charter/dccp-charter.html and the tools
> page) are wrong.  They seem to be a combination of old and new
> milestones, and I'm not sure they include all of the current milestones.

You can now see a complete list of all the charter changes, including 
trivial routine changes in internet-drafts, at the bottom of the charters
page for dccp: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/dccp/charters .  I hope that can
help you work out the correct current milestones, so the secretariat can
be notified.

Regards,

	Henrik

> Tom P.
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Henrik Levkowetz [mailto:henrik at levkowetz.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 5:10 AM
>> To: Lars Eggert
>> Cc: Ben Campbell; David Harrington; Working Group Chairs; dccp-
>> chairs at tools.ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: please double-check your charters
>>
>> Hi Lars,
>>
>> On 2009-10-14 21:27 Lars Eggert said the following:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> some far DCCP. Moreover, the dated links on top of the tools page
> are
>>> also confused.
>> The dated links simply reflect when there was a change in what was
> pulled
>> from the database.  I've been saving the www.ietf.org/ietf/1wg-
>> charters.txt
>> file multiple times per day since 2006-07-03, and the individual WG
>> charter
>> history is based on that.
>>
>> As far as I can tell from the additional information you provide
> below,
>> the
>> restore after the outage on 2008-02-05 reverted to the old 2006 'is
>> chartered'
>> version.
>>
>>> The more current versions (the ones having "is
>>> maintaining" in the first line rather than "is chartered") are dated
>>> from 2006...
>>>
>>> (And I can't tell which one is the actual current one because after
>>> the massive recharter from design to maintenance mode - reflected in
>>> the wording change above and many other changes - I believe we did
>>> some minor rechartering.)
>> Could it be that the minor rechartering changed only milestones?  I
> only
>> recently started including the milestone information in the snapshots
> you
>> see on http://tools.ietf.org/wg/dccp/charters.
>>
>> If so, the charter text from 2006-12-29 should be the correct one (no
>> changes were seen during 2007) and hopefully the milestones from the
>> 2009-10-14 snapshot are correct.  If the milestones are hopelessly
> wrong,
>> let me know, and I can produce all the changes since 2006-07-03,
> including
>> milestone and document information (which I excluded from the charters
>> history because it makes it much harder to find actual charter changes
>> when 90% of the changes occur in the lists of internet-drafts and
> RFCs.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> 	Henrik
>>
>>
>>> Lars
>>>
>>> On 2009-10-15, at 2:46, Ben Campbell wrote:
>>>
>>>> SIMPLE has the charter wrong on both the tools page and the
> "current
>>>> official charter" page.
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 14, 2009, at 11:15 AM, David Harrington wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I checked the syslog page and found that the tools.ietf.org
> charter
>>>>> link showed an older version than the
>>>>> http://www.ietf.org/dyn/wg/charter/syslog-charter page (which you
> get
>>>>> if you click on "current charter" from the tools.ietf.org page.
>>>>>
>>>>> Henrik is investigating.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think you probably need to pay attention to which page you
> check,
>>>>> and report which URL is out of date.
>>>>> On the other hand, they already know there is a problem, so
> sending
>>>>> lots of reports of the same problem won't be that helpful. So you
>>>>> might to check to see if you have th eproblem, and then give them
> a
>>>>> few days to fix it, and check again later.
>>>>>
>>>>> dbh
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: wgchairs-bounces at ietf.org
>>>>>> [mailto:wgchairs-bounces at ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ben Campbell
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:37 AM
>>>>>> To: Lars Eggert
>>>>>> Cc: Working Group Chairs
>>>>>> Subject: Re: please double-check your charters
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SIMPLE is clearly hosed. How do we go about fixing it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 14, 2009, at 9:01 AM, Lars Eggert wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> we just found another case of a WG (DCCP) where the charter
>>>>>> text was
>>>>>>> rolled back to some (much) earlier version during the IETF
>>>>>> web site
>>>>>>> migration. I suggest that you take a quick look at your
>>>>>> charters to
>>>>>>> double-check that they say what they should be saying.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lars
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PS: The milestones were OK, it was the actual charter text
>>>>>> that was
>>>>>>> outdated.
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