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RE: please double-check your charters
Henrik,
Thank you for your work at resolving what appears to be multiple
problems.
I think it is wonderful how much more information is available about
charter changes than used to exist.
dbh
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Henrik Levkowetz [mailto:henrik at levkowetz.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 11:38 AM
> To: Phelan, Tom
> Cc: Lars Eggert; Ben Campbell; David Harrington; Working
> Group Chairs; dccp-chairs at tools.ietf.org
> Subject: Re: please double-check your charters
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> On 2009-10-15 16:15 Phelan, Tom said the following:
> > Hi Henrik,
> >
> > The milestones on what's currently shown for the DCCP charter
> > (http://www.ietf.org/dyn/wg/charter/dccp-charter.html and the
tools
> > page) are wrong. They seem to be a combination of old and new
> > milestones, and I'm not sure they include all of the
> current milestones.
>
> You can now see a complete list of all the charter changes,
including
> trivial routine changes in internet-drafts, at the bottom of
> the charters
> page for dccp: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/dccp/charters . I
> hope that can
> help you work out the correct current milestones, so the
> secretariat can
> be notified.
>
> Regards,
>
> Henrik
>
> > Tom P.
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Henrik Levkowetz [mailto:henrik at levkowetz.com]
> >> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 5:10 AM
> >> To: Lars Eggert
> >> Cc: Ben Campbell; David Harrington; Working Group Chairs; dccp-
> >> chairs at tools.ietf.org
> >> Subject: Re: please double-check your charters
> >>
> >> Hi Lars,
> >>
> >> On 2009-10-14 21:27 Lars Eggert said the following:
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> some far DCCP. Moreover, the dated links on top of the tools
page
> > are
> >>> also confused.
> >> The dated links simply reflect when there was a change in what
was
> > pulled
> >> from the database. I've been saving the www.ietf.org/ietf/1wg-
> >> charters.txt
> >> file multiple times per day since 2006-07-03, and the individual
WG
> >> charter
> >> history is based on that.
> >>
> >> As far as I can tell from the additional information you provide
> > below,
> >> the
> >> restore after the outage on 2008-02-05 reverted to the old 2006
'is
> >> chartered'
> >> version.
> >>
> >>> The more current versions (the ones having "is
> >>> maintaining" in the first line rather than "is
> chartered") are dated
> >>> from 2006...
> >>>
> >>> (And I can't tell which one is the actual current one
> because after
> >>> the massive recharter from design to maintenance mode -
> reflected in
> >>> the wording change above and many other changes - I believe we
did
> >>> some minor rechartering.)
> >> Could it be that the minor rechartering changed only milestones?
I
> > only
> >> recently started including the milestone information in
> the snapshots
> > you
> >> see on http://tools.ietf.org/wg/dccp/charters.
> >>
> >> If so, the charter text from 2006-12-29 should be the
> correct one (no
> >> changes were seen during 2007) and hopefully the
> milestones from the
> >> 2009-10-14 snapshot are correct. If the milestones are
hopelessly
> > wrong,
> >> let me know, and I can produce all the changes since 2006-07-03,
> > including
> >> milestone and document information (which I excluded from
> the charters
> >> history because it makes it much harder to find actual
> charter changes
> >> when 90% of the changes occur in the lists of internet-drafts and
> > RFCs.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Henrik
> >>
> >>
> >>> Lars
> >>>
> >>> On 2009-10-15, at 2:46, Ben Campbell wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> SIMPLE has the charter wrong on both the tools page and the
> > "current
> >>>> official charter" page.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Oct 14, 2009, at 11:15 AM, David Harrington wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I checked the syslog page and found that the tools.ietf.org
> > charter
> >>>>> link showed an older version than the
> >>>>> http://www.ietf.org/dyn/wg/charter/syslog-charter page
> (which you
> > get
> >>>>> if you click on "current charter" from the tools.ietf.org
page.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Henrik is investigating.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think you probably need to pay attention to which page you
> > check,
> >>>>> and report which URL is out of date.
> >>>>> On the other hand, they already know there is a problem, so
> > sending
> >>>>> lots of reports of the same problem won't be that
> helpful. So you
> >>>>> might to check to see if you have th eproblem, and then
> give them
> > a
> >>>>> few days to fix it, and check again later.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> dbh
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: wgchairs-bounces at ietf.org
> >>>>>> [mailto:wgchairs-bounces at ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ben Campbell
> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:37 AM
> >>>>>> To: Lars Eggert
> >>>>>> Cc: Working Group Chairs
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: please double-check your charters
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> SIMPLE is clearly hosed. How do we go about fixing it?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Oct 14, 2009, at 9:01 AM, Lars Eggert wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> we just found another case of a WG (DCCP) where the charter
> >>>>>> text was
> >>>>>>> rolled back to some (much) earlier version during the IETF
> >>>>>> web site
> >>>>>>> migration. I suggest that you take a quick look at your
> >>>>>> charters to
> >>>>>>> double-check that they say what they should be saying.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Lars
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> PS: The milestones were OK, it was the actual charter text
> >>>>>> that was
> >>>>>>> outdated.
> >
>