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Re: please double-check your charters
On 2009-10-15 17:49 David Harrington said the following:
> Henrik,
>
> Thank you for your work at resolving what appears to be multiple
> problems.
> I think it is wonderful how much more information is available about
> charter changes than used to exist.
Thanks :-)
Best,
Henrik
> dbh
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Henrik Levkowetz [mailto:henrik at levkowetz.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 11:38 AM
>> To: Phelan, Tom
>> Cc: Lars Eggert; Ben Campbell; David Harrington; Working
>> Group Chairs; dccp-chairs at tools.ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: please double-check your charters
>>
>> Hi Tom,
>>
>> On 2009-10-15 16:15 Phelan, Tom said the following:
>>> Hi Henrik,
>>>
>>> The milestones on what's currently shown for the DCCP charter
>>> (http://www.ietf.org/dyn/wg/charter/dccp-charter.html and the
> tools
>>> page) are wrong. They seem to be a combination of old and new
>>> milestones, and I'm not sure they include all of the
>> current milestones.
>>
>> You can now see a complete list of all the charter changes,
> including
>> trivial routine changes in internet-drafts, at the bottom of
>> the charters
>> page for dccp: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/dccp/charters . I
>> hope that can
>> help you work out the correct current milestones, so the
>> secretariat can
>> be notified.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Henrik
>>
>>> Tom P.
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Henrik Levkowetz [mailto:henrik at levkowetz.com]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 5:10 AM
>>>> To: Lars Eggert
>>>> Cc: Ben Campbell; David Harrington; Working Group Chairs; dccp-
>>>> chairs at tools.ietf.org
>>>> Subject: Re: please double-check your charters
>>>>
>>>> Hi Lars,
>>>>
>>>> On 2009-10-14 21:27 Lars Eggert said the following:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> some far DCCP. Moreover, the dated links on top of the tools
> page
>>> are
>>>>> also confused.
>>>> The dated links simply reflect when there was a change in what
> was
>>> pulled
>>>> from the database. I've been saving the www.ietf.org/ietf/1wg-
>>>> charters.txt
>>>> file multiple times per day since 2006-07-03, and the individual
> WG
>>>> charter
>>>> history is based on that.
>>>>
>>>> As far as I can tell from the additional information you provide
>>> below,
>>>> the
>>>> restore after the outage on 2008-02-05 reverted to the old 2006
> 'is
>>>> chartered'
>>>> version.
>>>>
>>>>> The more current versions (the ones having "is
>>>>> maintaining" in the first line rather than "is
>> chartered") are dated
>>>>> from 2006...
>>>>>
>>>>> (And I can't tell which one is the actual current one
>> because after
>>>>> the massive recharter from design to maintenance mode -
>> reflected in
>>>>> the wording change above and many other changes - I believe we
> did
>>>>> some minor rechartering.)
>>>> Could it be that the minor rechartering changed only milestones?
> I
>>> only
>>>> recently started including the milestone information in
>> the snapshots
>>> you
>>>> see on http://tools.ietf.org/wg/dccp/charters.
>>>>
>>>> If so, the charter text from 2006-12-29 should be the
>> correct one (no
>>>> changes were seen during 2007) and hopefully the
>> milestones from the
>>>> 2009-10-14 snapshot are correct. If the milestones are
> hopelessly
>>> wrong,
>>>> let me know, and I can produce all the changes since 2006-07-03,
>>> including
>>>> milestone and document information (which I excluded from
>> the charters
>>>> history because it makes it much harder to find actual
>> charter changes
>>>> when 90% of the changes occur in the lists of internet-drafts and
>>> RFCs.
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Henrik
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Lars
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2009-10-15, at 2:46, Ben Campbell wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> SIMPLE has the charter wrong on both the tools page and the
>>> "current
>>>>>> official charter" page.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 14, 2009, at 11:15 AM, David Harrington wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I checked the syslog page and found that the tools.ietf.org
>>> charter
>>>>>>> link showed an older version than the
>>>>>>> http://www.ietf.org/dyn/wg/charter/syslog-charter page
>> (which you
>>> get
>>>>>>> if you click on "current charter" from the tools.ietf.org
> page.
>>>>>>> Henrik is investigating.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think you probably need to pay attention to which page you
>>> check,
>>>>>>> and report which URL is out of date.
>>>>>>> On the other hand, they already know there is a problem, so
>>> sending
>>>>>>> lots of reports of the same problem won't be that
>> helpful. So you
>>>>>>> might to check to see if you have th eproblem, and then
>> give them
>>> a
>>>>>>> few days to fix it, and check again later.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> dbh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: wgchairs-bounces at ietf.org
>>>>>>>> [mailto:wgchairs-bounces at ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ben Campbell
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:37 AM
>>>>>>>> To: Lars Eggert
>>>>>>>> Cc: Working Group Chairs
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: please double-check your charters
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> SIMPLE is clearly hosed. How do we go about fixing it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Oct 14, 2009, at 9:01 AM, Lars Eggert wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> we just found another case of a WG (DCCP) where the charter
>>>>>>>> text was
>>>>>>>>> rolled back to some (much) earlier version during the IETF
>>>>>>>> web site
>>>>>>>>> migration. I suggest that you take a quick look at your
>>>>>>>> charters to
>>>>>>>>> double-check that they say what they should be saying.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lars
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> PS: The milestones were OK, it was the actual charter text
>>>>>>>> that was
>>>>>>>>> outdated.
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