RE: [XCON] CPCP Requirement: Hidden Participants

[hisham.khartabil@nokia.com]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ext Michael Hammer [mailto:mhammer@cisco.com]
> Sent: 15.December.2003 18:24
> To: Khartabil Hisham (NMP-MSW/Helsinki)
> Cc: Brian.Rosen@marconi.com; xcon@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [XCON] CPCP Requirement: Hidden Participants
> 
> 
> At 04:45 PM 12/15/2003 +0200, hisham.khartabil@nokia.com wrote:
> 
> 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ext Rosen, Brian [mailto:Brian.Rosen@marconi.com]
> > > Sent: 15.December.2003 16:17
> > > To: Khartabil Hisham (NMP-MSW/Helsinki); xcon@ietf.org
> > > Subject: RE: [XCON] CPCP Requirement: Hidden Participants
> > >
> > >
> > > I think that this capability could be deferred.
> >
> >Noted.
> >
> > > I think it would be acceptable to allow a user
> > > to hide himself, and I think we need to allow
> > > one user to hide another (because of the PC app
> > > for a dumb phone problem).  I think getting into
> > > permission issues is complicated.
> > >
> > > I'm puzzled by "the list of hidden users is
> > > manipulated by a privileged user..." I think that
> > > such a statement opens a large box of complication
> > > in specification.  I would prefer, for now, to
> > > not have any specified behavior for anything
> > > like a privileged user.
> >
> >You can't have everyone manipulating the policy. We can define a 
> >privileged user to be the moderator for now.
> 
> But, you should be able to pass the baton on who is the moderator to 
> another participant.  I am taking that the conference creator 
> might not be 
> the conference moderator.  I looked in the privileges section 
> and am not 
> sure whether being the moderator is considered a privilege.  Is a 
> requirement needed along the lines of:
> 
> It must be possible to set, modify, delete the assignment of 
> a moderator to 
> the conference.
> ??

At the moment it is assumed that the creator is the moderator. Moderating a conference involves manipulating the policy. They might be different levels of moderators, depending on what the creator assigns to different users as privileges. Examples of privileges include who can manipulate dial-out list, who can manipulate dial-in list, who can manipulate conference info, who can expel users, who can manipulate floor control policy, etc.

As Brian noted a couple of times, we don't want to get into privileges at the moment due to complexity.

Regards,
Hisham

> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> >/Hisham
> >
> > >
> > > Brian
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: hisham.khartabil@nokia.com 
[mailto:hisham.khartabil@nokia.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:55 AM
> > > To: xcon@ietf.org
> > > Subject: [XCON] CPCP Requirement: Hidden Participants
> > >
> > >
> > > This is in reference to requirements REQ-A7 and REQ-E10 in
> > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-xcon-cpcp-reqs-00.txt
> > >
> > >    REQ-A7: It SHOULD be possible to participate in a conference as a
> > >    hidden user. Hidden user is present in a conference, but
> > > his presence
> > >    is not revealed.
> > >
> > >    REQ-E10: It MUST be possible to allow and disallow hidden
> > > membership
> > >    in a conference.
> > >
> > > Should a conference policy, using CPCP, specify if a user can
> > > be hidden? This means that the conference state package does
> > > not report the participation on the hidden user. CPCP is used
> > > to identify which users are hidden. The list of hidden users
> > > is only manipulated by a privileged user such as the moderator.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Hisham
> > >
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