RE: [XCON] CPCP Requirement: Hidden Participants

["Eric Burger" <eburger@snowshore.com>]

Would Legal Intercept be in or out?  E.g., hidden participants that CANNOT be known.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Drage, Keith (Keith) [mailto:drage@lucent.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 6:14 AM
> To: hisham.khartabil@nokia.com; mhammer@cisco.com
> Cc: xcon@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [XCON] CPCP Requirement: Hidden Participants
> 
> 
> I believe hidden users are appropriate.
> 
> I do not believe that this adds complexity to the 
> specifications (particularly to the specification of CPCP), 
> so I see no need to make it a DEFER as far as the 
> specifications are concerned. It may add complexity to the 
> implementation, so I am quite happy to see it a MAY in the 
> requirements, so that it is optional to implement.
> 
> As regards the legal implications of hidden users, then yes, 
> there may be priveleged users that are able to request the 
> identity of hidden users (along with an indication that they 
> are hidden). This of course requires the enabling of such a 
> privileged user in the first place.
> 
> Secondly, it may not be necessary to identify hidden users, 
> but merely that there are hidden users in the conference (in 
> addition to any that may have made themselves visible). Some 
> countries require some form of tone or announcement on voice 
> conferences when someone else is listening in. They also 
> require an announcement or other indication in the call is 
> being recorded.
> 
> regards
> 
> Keith
> 
> Keith Drage
> Lucent Technologies
> drage@lucent.com
> tel: +44 1793 776249
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: hisham.khartabil@nokia.com [mailto:hisham.khartabil@nokia.com]
> > Sent: 15 December 2003 16:29
> > To: mhammer@cisco.com
> > Cc: xcon@ietf.org
> > Subject: RE: [XCON] CPCP Requirement: Hidden Participants
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ext Michael Hammer [mailto:mhammer@cisco.com]
> > > Sent: 15.December.2003 18:17
> > > To: Khartabil Hisham (NMP-MSW/Helsinki)
> > > Cc: xcon@ietf.org
> > > Subject: Re: [XCON] CPCP Requirement: Hidden Participants
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Related to this is there a requirement that, while not 
> > revealing the 
> > > identity of a hidden user, the conference policy contains 
> > > state indication 
> > > about either the presence of hidden users, or the 
> > > possibility/preclusion 
> > > that such hidden users may be present?
> > > 
> > > I am anticipating that:
> > > 1) Laws may exist that require notification of such.
> > 
> > That's a good point. This might require changes to the 
> > conference event package to indicate if there are hidden 
> > participants or not, and if so, how many.
> > 
> > The question remain: is there a need for such a feature (to 
> > hide users?)?
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Hisham
> > 
> > > 2) In some conferences, participants may want technical 
> > > assurance that 
> > > hidden users are not possible before they speak.
> > > 
> > > Mike
> > > 
> > > 
> > > At 02:55 PM 12/15/2003 +0200, hisham.khartabil@nokia.com wrote:
> > > >This is in reference to requirements REQ-A7 and REQ-E10 in 
> > > 
> >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-xcon-cpcp-reqs-00.txt
> > >
> > >    REQ-A7: It SHOULD be possible to participate in a 
> conference as a
> > >    hidden user. Hidden user is present in a conference, but 
> > his presence
> > >    is not revealed.
> > >
> > >    REQ-E10: It MUST be possible to allow and disallow 
> > hidden membership
> > >    in a conference.
> > >
> > >Should a conference policy, using CPCP, specify if a user 
> > can be hidden? 
> > >This means that the conference state package does not report the 
> > >participation on the hidden user. CPCP is used to identify 
> > which users are 
> > >hidden. The list of hidden users is only manipulated by a 
> > privileged user 
> > >such as the moderator.
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >Hisham
> > >
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