Hi,
I think whether sidebars are public or restricted should be determined in the conference policy.
Whispers in general are private, although it might be useful to have the policy to include a privilege to see a whisper e.g. for a moderator. But this might be just feature creep.
Technically I think sidebars and whispers are very different. Sidebars should be explicitly formed and have a clear communication context, while whispering should be always possible and "stateless". The analogy would be the comparison between delivery of one-shot IMs vs. establishment and communication within a messaging session.
Markus
-----Original Message-----
From: xcon-bounces at ietf.org [mailto:xcon-bounces at ietf.org]On Behalf Of
ext Miguel Garcia
Sent: 15 November, 2004 15:56
To: Brian Rosen
Cc: xcon at ietf.org
Subject: Re: [XCON] Whisper vs. Sidebar
Well, this is an important subject, because I recently commented (in
SIPPING) that the conference event package should not show
participants
that are whispering to other participants, due to privacy reasons.
Now you mention that sidebars are also private, something I
thought it
wasn't the case. So, if sidebars are also private by nature, they
shouldn't be visible in the conference event package either.
I still think sidebars are public. Participants can freely join a
sidebar, providing they know how to do it.
- Miguel
Brian Rosen wrote:
I think both sidebars and whispers are private. Only the
people in them
know that they are there.
Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: Miguel Garcia [mailto:Miguel.An.Garcia at nokia.com]
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 7:26 AM
To: Brian Rosen
Cc: 'Eric Burger'; xcon at ietf.org
Subject: Re: [XCON] Whisper vs. Sidebar
Brian Rosen wrote:
I claim that the ONLY difference between a classic sidebar
and a whisper
is
that the Coach has a full duplex connection to the
sidebar, while the
Agent
only has a half duplex connection. The Mark is not in the
sidebar at
all.
As with any sidebar, everyone hears the "main mix".
Another difference is that whispers are typically private in nature,
whereas sidebars are public. If I am whispering to Brian, I
don't think
the rest of the conference would like to know that I am actually
whispering to Brian. If I want to make this information
public, I would
use a sidebar.
- Miguel
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Miguel A. Garcia tel:+358-50-4804586
Nokia Research Center Helsinki, Finland
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Miguel A. Garcia tel:+358-50-4804586
Nokia Research Center Helsinki, Finland
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