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Re: [MMUSIC] Proposed approach for NICE



I am not sure whether this is really such a useful effort.

There aren't too many protocols that are going to make use of ICE as there aren't too many protocols anyway. We have been experimenting with ICE for usage with MIP and HIP. The work has not gone very far yet. The lack of progress had nothing todo with this type of document. The work in XMPP is already finished and hence this document will not help them either.

Avoiding being too focused in the ICE specification when it comes to the usage of SIP could have been nice but that hasn't caused too many problems -- just took longer to read it. Since you have to read through the specification anyway when you want to make use of ICE I doubt that items (1)-(4) from your list below would provide any more insight.

So, who would make use of this document?

Ciao
Hannes


Jonathan Rosenberg wrote:
Here is what I am thinking about for a revision of the NICE document. I think we have agreed we don't want to define an ICE subset or a new protocol. It also looks like each using protocol will have to make its own decisions about how to do various things - what features they need, which they don't, etc. So I think the best we can do is write a document that provides guidelines about the various parts of ICE, which ones might or might not be applicable to other specs, and gives some guidance on how to make use of the ICE spec.

I'd probably break this up into something like this:

1. ICE applicability

what kind of protocols can benefit from ICE - you need to be a session-establishing type of protocol, have a signaling mechanism through a central intermediarty that everyone can reach, etc.

2. gathering phase

talk about applying this part of ICE - its important to use exactly the same stun/turn protocols to reuse the server infrastructure. Might be different pacing, different prioritization

3. offer/answer

talk about generally what data needs to be exchanged, how each protocol will need to incorporate this into their own signaling protocols

4. connectivity checks

talk about how you should just reuse this part of ICE verbatim - including state machinery and stun messaging - that this is the KEY interop component if we ever want to do things like RTSP to SIP gateways or something, so we want this to be the same.

What might differ is pacing; talk about role selection and how that is kind of specific to sip but how to be compatible with it

point out what sections of the ICE spec you need to basically reference

5. subsequent signaling

discuss what the drivers are for this and when its needed and when its not


Does this seem like:

a. its useful to folks producing protocols that make use of ICE,
b. its a good direction


Thanks,
Jonathan R.

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