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[10:55:47] <mrichardson> hi.
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[20:42:13] <nico> hi
[20:43:21] <nico> audio feed?
[20:43:43] <leifj> love is still setting up
[20:43:56] <leifj> Love sais hello
[20:44:04] <leifj> did you get that nico?
[20:44:11] <nico> URL?
[20:44:17] <mrichardson> hi!
[20:44:18] <nico> it's not on the agenda
[20:44:28] <nico> http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/06nov/agenda/btns.txt
[20:44:29] <leifj> http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf
[20:44:33] <nico> danke
[20:44:36] <leifj> np
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[20:44:44] <jaltman> please preface comments with a ! (bang) if you want the comments sent to the microphone
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[20:45:09] <nico> got it
[20:45:23] <mrichardson> http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf676.m3u
[20:45:25] <nico> I hear löve alright
[20:45:40] <nico> let's see how lagged we are
[20:45:45] <nico> editor
[20:45:57] <nico> sam about to speak
[20:45:59] <leifj> sam at mic now
[20:46:04] <nico> hi
[20:46:09] <nico> there, what's the lag?
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[20:46:20] <leifj> ~5 sec
[20:46:22] <nico> BTW, the sounds is perfect
[20:46:27] <nico> no noise
[20:47:29] <nico> ¡
[20:47:30] <leifj> Sam wants an extra chair for the group
[20:47:35] <nico> a mic symbol :)
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[20:48:09] <leifj> Love announces that he won't be at the next meeting so another chair is needed for that reason too
[20:48:18] <leifj> now at Document status
[20:48:35] <mrichardson> Nico will get it out in the next week. That probably means before wednesday, right?
[20:48:43] <nico> silence
[20:48:47] <nico> audio dropped
[20:48:58] <nico> er, Iĺl be back from vacation by Tuesday
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[20:49:06] <nico> so, Wednesday is bit too tight
[20:49:11] <leifj> nico: sam was at a different mic ...
[20:49:41] <leifj> Yu speaking about the applicability statement
[20:49:47] <mrichardson> ah, okay.
[20:50:06] <nico> real won't play it anymore
[20:50:13] <nico> crap
[20:50:26] <leifj> so the mp3 broke?
[20:50:36] <jaltman> Try iTunes
[20:51:08] <mrichardson> maybe the secretariat should outsource this all to Apple!
[20:51:14] <leifj> Yu sais app statement ready for last call
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[20:51:23] <leifj> Love asking people who has read the draft
[20:51:43] <leifj> couple of hands went up
[20:52:08] <leifj> Love asking for volunteers to read for a wglc
[20:52:08] <nico> just?
[20:52:12] <nico> sigh
[20:52:31] <leifj> does nico volunteer to review :-)
[20:53:07] <leifj> Michael at mic now talking about core and connection latching docs
[20:53:46] <leifj> Michel sais it is ready for last call after a respin with a few nits
[20:53:59] <leifj> Love asking for editors for API draft
[20:54:16] <leifj> and asking for reviewers
[20:54:41] <nico> ok
[20:54:43] <leifj> Sam will volunteer other people
[20:55:00] <leifj> was "ok" == "I will volunteer" ?
[20:55:04] <nico> nothing will play the audio feedback
[20:55:13] <leifj> bummer
[20:55:15] <nico> no
[20:55:19] <nico> I'll review
[20:55:25] <nico> I won't edit the API draft
[20:55:50] <leifj> nico: I relayed that
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[20:56:47] <nico> all the channels are gone
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[20:57:02] <leifj> Michael presents Miikas api stuff
[20:57:31] <nico> URL?
[20:57:57] <leifj> Michael explains background about possible overlap between HIP, BTNS and (but probably not) SHIM6
[20:58:24] <leifj> presentations https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/meeting_materials.cgi?meeting_num=67
[20:58:36] <nico> and audio's back
[21:00:07] <leifj> Michael now at the BTNS Use Cases slide
[21:01:11] <nico> with audio this clean it's easy to track that :)
[21:01:25] <leifj> sync :-)
[21:01:36] <nico> note to self: try to get meetings I care about not scheduled for the first monday session
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[21:01:50] <nico> leifj: and gain
[21:02:37] <leifj> Michael reiviews api design
[21:02:58] <leifj> (I'm doing this as notes for Love too)
[21:03:04] <nico> and to me!
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[21:04:08] <nico> an opaque sockaddr
[21:05:16] <leifj> Michael is asking for co-authors for GSS API document
[21:05:34] <leifj> Michael asking if wg wants to do this
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[21:06:09] <nico> ¡ yes
[21:06:43] <nico> ¡ I would like a socket level API, but with opaqueness
[21:07:34] <nico> ¡ /me seconds Sam; a new clean API should be layered atop sockets with socket options
[21:07:58] <leifj> standing in line for nico
[21:08:39] <nico> ¡ how many socket protocol families do we need?
[21:08:44] <nico> thanks Leif
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[21:09:59] <nico> ¡ having APIs makes for native-as-in-4301-native IPsec
[21:10:14] <jhutz> nico: how about exactly one PF and one AF per layer-3 protocol?
[21:10:35] <nico> jhutz: I'm with that
[21:10:48] <leifj> Michael sais this works needs more attention
[21:11:16] <nico> I could channel Bill Sommerfeld
[21:11:22] <nico> from several meetings ago
[21:11:28] <nico> from memory
[21:11:38] <leifj> I refuse to channel someone who channels someone else
[21:11:43] <nico> heh
[21:12:15] <leifj> Love now at other issues
[21:12:23] <nico> ¡ what about Sam's APIs?
[21:12:43] <nico> ¡ as in policy editing APIs
[21:13:16] <mrichardson> he's next.
[21:13:19] <nico> ah
[21:13:54] <leifj> Black at mic
[21:14:02] <nico> does iSCSI go over TCP or UDP?
[21:14:48] <nico> ¡ does iSCSI go over TCP or UDP? forgive the ignorance
[21:14:58] <mrichardson> yes. TCP mostly used.
[21:15:10] <mrichardson> I think TCP is a MUST, and UDP is a MAY.
[21:15:16] <leifj> nico - I guess you don't want this echoed to the mic then?
[21:15:38] <nico> if there's a ¡ then I do
[21:15:43] <nico> well, not anymore
[21:15:50] <nico> since michael answered
[21:15:55] <leifj> thats why I asked
[21:15:57] <nico> here's my q for the mic then
[21:16:13] <leifj> gettibg up...
[21:16:27] <nico> ¡ so, why wouldn't connection latching + "connection-oriented" IPsec APIs do
[21:16:29] <nico> ?
[21:18:19] <jhutz> Why are you now using ¡ instead of ! ?
[21:18:30] <nico> jhutz: because it's cute
[21:18:36] <nico> because it looks more like a mic
[21:18:38] <nico> :)
[21:18:57] <nico> because I figured out how to type it reliably
[21:20:14] <nico> !!
[21:20:23] <nico> all the more reason to use connection-latching!
[21:20:50] <nico> who's speaking in the bg?
[21:20:53] <nico> use the mic
[21:21:09] <leifj> everyone was using the mic afaikt
[21:21:11] <jhutz> How about » or ¶ ?
[21:21:26] <nico> ¶ ok
[21:21:27] <leifj> Love at "Next Steps"
[21:21:36] <leifj> and now Milestones
[21:21:41] <nico> so, there was no answer to my q?
[21:21:53] <jhutz> What question?
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[21:22:09] <jhutz> about connection latching?
[21:22:10] <leifj> Sam asks if Miikas draft will get adopted as a wg item
[21:22:36] <leifj> because Love just claimed that Miikas api draft constituted fulfillment of a charter point
[21:23:07] <leifj> Love declairs that Miikas draft constitutes a first version of an API draft
[21:23:11] <nico> ¶ we may want to discuss Miikas' I-D on the list some more
[21:23:24] <leifj> nico: don't change the protocol under my feet
[21:23:40] <nico> ok
[21:23:44] <nico> back to ¡
[21:24:03] <jhutz> sorry, leif
[21:24:50] <jhutz> nico: ... before doing what?
[21:24:52] <raeburn> ☺
[21:24:55] <nico> yes, that
[21:25:03] <leifj> yeah you guys are just too much trouble :-)
[21:25:10] <jhutz> audio latency better than this morning?
[21:25:43] <nico> ken: that's fun
[21:26:00] <nico> jhutz: seems better; the audio quality rocks
[21:26:19] <leifj> now at blue shit
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[21:27:22] <paulwouters@jabber.org> did the meeting end? or just the audio feed?
[21:27:27] <jhutz> the meeting
[21:27:32] <leifj> we are done
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[21:27:33] <nico> the audio is still on
[21:27:35] <nico> yay
[21:27:42] <paulwouters@jabber.org> ah ok
[21:27:42] <nico> evening over
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[21:29:49] <nico> BTW, I still hear folks talking by the mic
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[21:30:13] <nico> löve and joe, I think
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[21:34:34] <nico> now it's gone
[21:34:42] <nico> and its back
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