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[21:09:55] <Eliot Lear> juergen now speaking about towards a new e2e...
[21:10:01] <Eliot Lear> shim6, hip
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[21:10:19] <Eliot Lear> cryptographically generated addresses may be applicable as well
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[21:10:42] <Eliot Lear> work in ipsec has shifted to MOBIKE and BTNS
[21:10:58] <Eliot Lear> now pekka will predict the future...
[21:11:29] <Eliot Lear> hopefully some people will combine these mechanisms to come up with "CHIMP6" and "MTNS" which leads to a new e2e
[21:12:25] <Eliot Lear> background in multihoming and mobility, CHIMP is IPv6 oriented for multihoming and mobility MTNS is security but ip version neutral
[21:13:17] <Eliot Lear> we are attempting to decouple id and locator, having ULIDs and hop by hop locators
[21:13:26] <Eliot Lear> presentations are available at https://onsite.ietf.org/public/meeting_materials.cgi?meeting_num=64
[21:14:27] <Eliot Lear> upper layer ids don't change. you don't rewrite tcp chksm through NATs
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[21:14:51] <Eliot Lear> Shim rewriting mechanism must know about NATs
[21:16:50] <Eliot Lear> much of this can be implemented in the user space. each has similar security models... crypto is roughly the same.
[21:17:00] <Eliot Lear> firewall configurations are different
[21:17:11] <Eliot Lear> IPSEC requires configuration of firewalls
[21:17:24] <Eliot Lear> SSH and TLS only support TCP today
[21:17:59] <Eliot Lear> so key point: there are people who are working on the general problem of id/locator split where we diminish ill effects of NATs
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[21:18:45] <Eliot Lear> so... keep bigger picture in mind.
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[21:40:36] <jschoenwae@jabber.org> keith says that session initiation by an agent is required already today
[21:41:11] <jschoenwae@jabber.org> he believes that this is already available today, referring to coldStart traps
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[21:50:54] <abierman> As co-Chair of NETCONF WG, I support callhome for NETCONF. I realize it is a point solution but it is really simple and I think it will work for NETCONF.
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