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[12:53:13] <ggm> Cross Registry Information Service Protocol WG (crisp) Wednesday, November 12 at 1300-1500 =================================== CHAIRS: April Marine <april.marine@nominum.com> George Michaelson <ggm@apnic.net> AGENDA: o Welcome and Agenda Bashing - 10 min, chairs o Outstanding IRIS Issues - 35 min, Andy Newton and WG discussion o Additional Requirements? - 15 min, Ginny Listman - 7 min, WG discussion re: draft-ietf-crisp-internet-resource-number-requirements-00.txt o IRIS lightweight transport - 15 min, Andy Newton - 7 min, WG discussion o Update Charter and Milestones - 20 min, chairs o Using dreg for registrar-registrar - 6 mins, Chris Ambler communication o Wrap-up & Other Biz - 5 mins
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[13:01:04] <ggm> can somebody scribe?
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[13:03:14] <yone> New chair: Geroge Michaelson
[13:03:27] <yone> Oops, sorry, new co-chair
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[13:07:33] <yone> IRIS Open Issues by Andrew Newton
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[13:14:01] <rlehning> I'm not sure how this works, first time I've covered something with Jabber. Are we supposed to be seeing a play by play of the meeting?
[13:16:44] <Jan> Don't know, it's the first time I'm doing this as well
[13:17:33] <hardie> I think the chairs thought yone was scribing. The scribe does the play by play; apparently yone stopped.
[13:17:56] <hardie> Right now we're talking about the sort issue andy raised; just before, the iris.beep uri scheme suggestion.
[13:18:29] <rlehning> OK, unfortunately, I'm not there in person, can we maybe get someone to be the scribe? Thanks
[13:18:41] <hardie> next steps on this, Andy will send the issues to the list, and we'll work out the resolutions on an issue-by-issue basis.
[13:18:56] <hardie> Ginny is starting to talk about her draft on address registration.
[13:19:12] <yone> Sorry, I'm not good at hearing because of I'm not native English, so I beg someone else take notes.
[13:19:50] <hardie> Ginny is saying that the registries have talked about this draft.
[13:20:24] <hardie> Notes that they weren't sure whether the draft was meant to stand on its own, linked to Andy's in a bigger doc, or with this be one of two split out from the core.
[13:20:54] <hardie> Requirements have made compatibility a goal
[13:21:37] <rlehning> If someone could maybe just bring this up during a question and answer session. I apologize because I have no way of knowing what exactly is going on in the meeting. Yesterday I posted some comments on the listserv on the 00 IP numbers doc and the 06 Requirements doc. I have received comments from some people via the listserv but am curious to hear what people might have to say at the meeting. Again, apologies for the awkwardness of this interface. Thanks
[13:22:23] <rlehning> Sorry again, my name is Ryan Lehning and my proposal should be available on the listserv or archived.
[13:35:26] <yone> B.Manning: There is privacy discussion also in Geopriv WG
[13:36:37] <rlehning> But that doesn' t have a connection to the development of CRISP does it?
[13:41:38] <Jan> partly. There just was quite some discussion about the binary privacy label in the CRISP requirements
[13:41:53] <Jan> and someone mentioned that is was also discussed in Geopriv
[13:42:33] <hardie> The group just agreed that the requirements doc will have a bis version, incorporating Ginny's doc, but that the requirements doc will continue in the RFC ed queue, so that the protocol work can continue
[13:43:13] <Jan> I was just about to write that, thanks :)
[13:43:18] <rlehning> This is the 00 IP numbers doc. correct?>
[13:43:38] <Jan> I think so, but am quite unfamiliar with the CRISP work, sorry
[13:44:39] <yone> IRIS and Application Transports by Andrew Newton
[13:44:51] <Jan> not about replacing BEEP
[13:45:03] <rlehning> Also, will minutes of the meeting be made available? Sorry for all the questions and thanks to everyone for scribing.
[13:45:19] <Jan> it's a WG, so minutes MUST be made available
[13:45:22] <Jan> but I'm not the scribe
[13:45:46] <rlehning> Wonderful. Thank you.
[13:46:00] <ggm> cathy murphy is minuting in the room. these will be circulated.
[13:46:14] <ggm> normally I would have jabbered, now I am wg co-chair I think I can't
[13:46:52] <Jan> I normally would have volunteered to jabber-scribe, were it not to my inexperience with both how this works for the IETF and with CRISP
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[13:50:58] <rlehning> Jan, when you mention the discussion of the binary privacy label, did you mean that discussion took place in this meeting or the Geopriv meeting?
[13:51:05] <Jan> this meeting
[13:51:18] <Jan> but that same issue apparently was also discussed in the Geopriv meeting
[13:51:25] <rlehning> Ok. Thanks.
[13:51:30] <Jan> And I can inform you that it's also being discussed in the INCH wg
[13:51:40] <Jan> as information disclosure policy
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[13:54:47] <rlehning> But that WG really wouldn't be connected to CRISP, unless I'm missing something completely obvious (always a possibility)
[13:57:37] <Jan> Ah. It's not really connected, it was just mentioned that the issues on privacy labeling of data were handled differently in Geopriv then in Crisp, the latter doing it binary 'private/non-private' and the former doing it in a more granular way (apparently)
[13:57:52] <Jan> same problem, different domains, different solutions
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[13:58:43] <rlehning> Ok. Where are they in the agenda now?
[14:03:17] <Jan> Still discussing IRIS and application transports
[14:06:44] <orange> DENIC has received thousands queries per second Whois queries...
[14:06:57] <orange> has => has been
[14:08:09] <hardie> So why do we believe people will switch this functionality from whois to iris-light? What does iris-light add that means they will switch?
[14:08:35] <hardie> s/light/lite/ as per ggm
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[14:34:43] <ggm> we are done. its all over.
[14:34:52] <ggm> (ie finished early)
[14:34:58] <ggm> summary:
[14:35:12] <ggm> recharter to come, adopting internet number resources docs as wg items
[14:35:31] <ggm> lite is off the table for now, but we'll discuss on list and reconsider.
[14:35:45] <ggm> timelines adjusted for doc status, work for Seoul and June IETF
[14:35:54] <ggm> the Mailing List is going to move to ietf/mailman
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