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[01:59:56] <ggm> the show ponies are here. we're about to ride our favourite hobby horses around the table (almost kick off time)
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[02:06:24] <ggm> andy newton does his drafts, which are not formally in WG
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[02:08:34] <marcos> Perl man has arrived
[02:08:47] <robertml> someone is scribing?
[02:09:00] <robertml> or are we all in the room?
[02:11:09] <CathyM> think all in room
[02:13:00] <ggm> fred documents he has implementations for lwz/xpc.
[02:13:08] <ggm> andy is happy the dchk idea is working.
[02:13:18] <ggm> April: docs ready for last call. [andy -yes]
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[02:13:44] <ggm> Yoshida-San reviews rreg status (not wg item)
[02:15:55] <robertml> I am surprised that Andy's drafts are not wg-drafts... ?
[02:16:11] <marcos> They were out of the charter of the wg
[02:17:04] <robertml> funny
[02:17:53] <CathyM> i thought april said they were in charter, just not part of WG milestones
[02:18:16] <marcos> Right, sorry
[02:18:42] <robertml> maybe they are not very important ;)
[02:20:31] <robertml> hardie is worried if it will really solve the problem.. updating the "root" rreg-registry can be too difficult compared to just loading data into the RIRs
[02:22:02] <robertml> How to ensure that the data is the registries are up-to-date?
[02:22:57] <robertml> Andy: activity on old provreg list (?) would an EPP extension for a rreg be appropriate there.
[02:23:02] <robertml> scott: maybe
[02:23:11] <robertml> april suggested to take answers to the list.
[02:25:23] <robertml> hardy: is the rreg iris worth doing if theres not a decent provisioning protocol (epp was mentioned)
[02:26:25] <robertml> missed ed's point
[02:28:20] <robertml> scott: provreg isnt really coming back to life - it's just to finish some old docs.
[02:28:34] <robertml> (i.e. no new tasks right now)
[02:28:39] <CathyM> Ed saying that rirs don't give out routing, only numbers; if collect routing policy info, need provisioning, rreg proposal inserting them into the process
[02:29:52] <robertml> unnamed has problems creating a new "root" (not dns root)
[02:30:08] <CathyM> larry blunk, merit
[02:30:13] <robertml> you spell that, david? :)
[02:30:18] <robertml> ok
[02:30:29] <CathyM> William Leibzon
[02:31:01] <robertml> unname2: accuracy of the data comes from ad hoc structured registries. if you need a new hierachy, you need to revoke the existing registries
[02:31:09] <robertml> ok, not unnamed
[02:32:02] <robertml> co-author: draft gives structured entry to the data.
[02:32:51] <robertml> andrew, ripe ncc: it's not clear how iris can solve the problem
[02:33:11] <robertml> there are problems injecting data into the registries and iris doesnt solvethat.
[02:33:26] <robertml> the rregs are not really hiarichal (sp?)
[02:33:57] <dblacka> heirarchical.
[02:34:05] <robertml> the tree that was shown on the projector doesnt exist.. there is no tree structure.
[02:34:51] <robertml> cathy: at the last meeting you said you would get the operators input (janog, nanog) - did you get a chance to do that?
[02:35:02] <robertml> author: havent yet.. will try.
[02:35:59] <marcos> s/Author/Kengo/
[02:36:26] <robertml> thanks
[02:36:53] <robertml> The WG will not take it as a wg-item as it is right now.
[02:37:24] <robertml> april ^^^^^
[02:38:38] <robertml> andy: XML-version of rpsl might put focus on the problems to solve.
[02:39:36] <robertml> ggm: xml-version SHOULD provide xslt to give rpsl
[02:39:44] <robertml> there are too many tools out there
[02:39:49] <robertml> (expecting rpsl)
[02:40:08] <robertml> andy: yeah, but... anyway (and walked away) :)
[02:40:42] <ggm> andy said 'its not a dependency, is a 'nice to have' message'
[02:42:03] <robertml> shane, ripe ncc: there are problems documenting routing - [missed the last 70%]
[02:43:37] <robertml> JPRS guy is presenting a questionaire.. (wont dare to spell his name)
[02:44:01] <robertml> "Please tell us your current deployment status of crisp and epp?"
[02:44:37] <marcos> Yasuhiro-san
[02:44:54] <robertml> wont write all the questions
[02:50:13] <robertml> will poste the summary to the list
[02:50:21] <robertml> (he will, i wont)
[02:50:50] <robertml> andy: dreg1 is not perfect -looking for comments
[02:50:55] <robertml> (the schema)
[02:52:03] <robertml> the expected changes are not extreme, but it might not be 100% backwards compatible.
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[02:52:20] <robertml> status values have a problem
[02:52:47] <robertml> These are all based on lessons learned from areg and ereg
[02:53:08] <robertml> sanz: there is a version field in iris so it's not really a problem
[02:53:51] <robertml> sanz: what are the requirements to move from ps to ds?
[02:53:56] <robertml> must it be open source?
[02:54:03] <robertml> (the implementations)
[02:54:22] <robertml> hardy: write an implementation report from independant codes bases.
[02:54:26] <robertml> no need for open source
[02:55:14] <robertml> [and lots of more that I couldnt concenttrate on while writing]
[02:55:30] <robertml> basically proving 100% interoperability
[02:57:39] <robertml> over is over
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[02:58:20] <robertml> meeting is over
[02:58:23] <robertml> sheesh
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