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[17:57:59] <paf> Spencer is scribe
[17:58:16] <paf> Richard: what has happened with 2916bis? Allison?
[17:58:56] <paf> Allison: There is a problem with the IANA...IETF do not have a formal contract with IETF, but IANA "work for us".
[17:59:34] <paf> We don't have a window into their staffing problems, and at the moment they have a staffing problem, which have lead to a huge problem with backlog of IANA actions.
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[18:00:29] <paf> 2916bis and 5-6 others have "highest priority".
[18:00:53] <paf> There is an ongoing discussion about how to get a tracker so the problem is visible.
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[18:04:18] <paf> IETF want to apologize to everyone which have been hurt by this problem at IANA.
[18:05:40] <paf> The chairs asked mr Stasny to write some text about what impact the delay has had. The chairs will compile a complete text and send it to the IESG.
[18:06:39] <paf> Allison requests everyone to file _all_ IANA-related documents related to ENUM now, so everything can be filed to IANA at the same time.
[18:07:18] <paf> Claudio to the microphone.
[18:07:41] <paf> Main concern was that the security and privacy sections were skinny. Question whether it should be extended?
[18:07:48] <paf> One error also exists in the document.
[18:09:13] <paf> Objections from this wg on the document?
[18:09:20] <paf> Noone says anything.
[18:10:56] <paf> Allison: Rationale is that someone which reads the document is not interested in fax etc, so they will not read the 2nd document about H323. Because of this, the privacy wording have to be included in the ENUM document. Bits don't cost anything. Just copy it.
[18:11:32] <paf> Jon Petersen start talk about "presence"
[18:11:47] * paf can not change the topic...sigh...client bug maybe
[18:12:19] <paf> draft-ietf-enum-pres-00
[18:12:32] <paf> "E2U+pres"
[18:13:01] <paf> Exact presence procotocol that is used (XMPP, SIMPLE etc) is negotiated). See the IMPP spec.
[18:13:13] <paf> Not much has changed form initial version.
[18:14:23] <paf> Approximately 10-15 people have read the document.
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[18:17:12] <paf> Is there rough consensus we can move this to last call?
[18:18:13] <paf> James Seng asking "is it ok to publish before the RFC exists?"
[18:18:22] <paf> James refine the question to ask "is this implemented"?
[18:18:28] <paf> Patrik responds: "Yes"
[18:19:06] <paf> Richard Stasny at the microphone
[18:19:15] <paf> Report from plugtest by ETSI
[18:19:17] <paf> What happened?
[18:19:31] <paf> 72 participants registered, 55 attended
[18:19:50] <paf> 3GSM in Cannes the same week made it hard to get hotel rooms.
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[18:22:23] <paf> Day 1 was user ENUM. Contributions from many countries, including Korea even though the person presenting couldn't get a flight ticket... :-)
[18:24:03] <paf> Day 2 was "infrastructure ENUM"
[18:24:16] <paf> ETSI presented their view on infrastructure ENUM
[18:24:41] <paf> Carrier ENUM was presented by Neustar (identify HLR, SMSC etc)
[18:24:59] <paf> Infrastructure ENUM was presented by Netnumber
[18:25:15] <paf> EREG and IRIS was presented by Verisign (registry services)
[18:25:31] <paf> Freenum.org was presened by IPA, nic.at
[18:25:33] <paf> Recap...
[18:27:10] <paf> Agreemet at the end to continue to keep in contact and together rise awareness at multiple places.
[18:27:31] <paf> 26-30 April, ETSI meeting will discuss more support
[18:27:41] <paf> 4-8 oct 2004, new plugtest
[18:28:02] <paf> 29/11 - 3/12 2004, interoperability test (SIP/H323/ENUM)
[18:28:39] <paf> 1Q2005 ENUM Contact Information Plugtest (IRIS, EREG, EPP, Caller ID, Certificates etc)
[18:28:50] <paf> Final remark: ETSI Plugtest is open to anyone
[18:29:21] <paf> http://www.etsi.org/plugtests
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[18:30:57] <paf> James Seng to the "podium"
[18:31:29] <paf> ENUM/SIP BOF at Apricot 2004 last week
[18:31:43] <paf> Presentations from a number of organisations
[18:33:13] <paf> 0944 allocated for the TWNIC trial. There are some deployment in Taiwan of SIP and ENUM.
[18:34:03] <paf> Wireless 802.11b SIP phones handed out in one area of Taiwan.
[18:34:27] <paf> In Singapore trial between 3 organisations.
[18:34:41] <paf> 6411 is the block used for ENUM (10k numbers)
[18:34:52] <paf> No telco is involved in the Singapore ENUM
[18:40:49] <paf> Problems to use real ENUM domain in Korea+Japan because of local issues, and Taiwan due to issues at ITU.
[18:41:16] <paf> CNNIC ENUM trial
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[18:43:48] <paf> ENUM work started in 2002, CNNIC run one of the slave servers for e164.arpa since oct 2002
[18:44:08] <paf> July 2003 CNNIC upgrade the ENUM trial system and provide free SIP registration for testing purposes
[18:44:18] <paf> Public test opened dec 2003
[18:45:04] <paf> 6923 queries dec 2003, 4288 jan 2004 and 7741 queries in feb 2004.
[18:46:33] <paf> http://www.enum.cn/
[18:47:03] <paf> >260 users and >500 numbers.
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[18:50:14] <paf> Comparing resolution time with PSTN.
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[18:54:38] <paf> Next steps: continue trial system
[18:54:56] <paf> No licenses for VoIP phones to end users issued, but ISP's carriers and software vendors show interest.
[18:55:26] <paf> Make suggestions to government to open business trial system (number plan for SIP with ENUM resolution) and consider to deploy som eopen test with other carriers or ISPs.
[18:55:49] <paf> Presentation over: lee@cnnic.cn is his email address.
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[18:59:51] <paf> Some live demos. Softphone from CNNIC calling ENUM trial participant in Sweden.
[18:59:53] <paf> Worked
[19:00:13] <paf> ENUM trial in singapore calling enum trial in CNNIC...
[19:01:03] <paf> Call worked
[19:01:50] <paf> $50 in Taiwan for 802.11b based SIP phone.
[19:02:06] <paf> Now trials in Japan
[19:02:51] <paf> ENUM activites in Japan and experience from implementation of ENUM
[19:04:10] <paf> http://etjp.jp/english/
[19:04:36] <paf> Started 17 sep 2003, 1 year activity
[19:06:43] <paf> 1.8.e164.jp is used. Open to public.
[19:07:21] <paf> SIp server from softfront
[19:07:26] <paf> SOHO router from Yamaha
[19:07:33] <paf> Internet fax from panasonic
[19:07:38] <paf> h.323 from panasonic
[19:07:52] <paf> visual dns resolver...
[19:08:05] <paf> Experiences...
[19:11:05] <SAH> I think he's right about the need to escape the "+" character.
[19:13:16] <paf> Problems with regexp specification in NAPTR records.
[19:14:21] <paf> Contradictions found regarding ordering/selection algorithm between RFC 3404 and 3403.
[19:14:56] <paf> Service field first and order second?
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[19:20:36] <paf> "The ENUM algorithm always returns one record" is confusing
[19:21:49] <paf> A number of more issues listed, and suggested solutions.
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[19:29:02] <paf> japanese (and other experiences) merged with the conroy experiences documentm, and that will be a working group item.
[19:30:06] <paf> korean enum trial
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[19:31:16] <paf> Trial set up 2003~
[19:31:27] <paf> Public trial set up oct 2003~
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[19:34:00] <paf> Mission: Examine the technical availability of ENUM
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[19:34:49] <paf> Budget around $250k - $400k per year 2002-2005
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[19:35:48] <paf> In Korea they had to do everything from registry to end user applications.
[19:38:37] <paf> Both mobile and fixed telephone number can be ENUM numbers and give back same result (which include both numbers)
[19:38:49] <paf> Not considering special prefix for ENUM
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