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[12:59:20] <iljitsch> ah, it works! :-)
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[16:14:53] <michael> I wonder what time it is there
[16:15:03] <mrose> should be like 7:20.
[16:15:12] <michael> am? pm?
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[16:15:36] <ekr> AM.
[16:16:43] <jabley> it's still Sunday here
[16:16:47] <jabley> this has been a very long Sunday
[16:16:58] <michael> still Sunday here....
[16:18:05] <sommerfeld> 7:25 am by my watch.
[16:18:26] <michael> time zones are so silly.... we should figure out how to get rid of them.
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[16:18:55] <jabley> I've met people who like to deal exclusively in UTC, even though they live in substantially different timezones
[16:18:59] <jabley> and those people turn out to be annoying :-)
[16:19:00] <paf> rm -rf /usr/share/zoneinfo
[16:19:32] <jabley> michael: you're in Ottawa?
[16:19:37] <jabley> or are you a different Michael altogether? :-)
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[16:19:58] <sommerfeld> whats worse is layer-9 issues with timezone names for disputed regions of the world..
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[16:20:16] <michael> jabley, nope... Atlanta....
[16:20:32] * michael waves at paf
[16:20:51] <paf> paf doesn't know how to "wave back"
[16:20:59] * jabley wonders if he does
[16:21:03] <jabley> ah, I do
[16:21:05] <michael> you just do /me whatever you want to emote goes here
[16:21:23] <sommerfeld> ah, just like IRC?
[16:21:25] <michael> yep
[16:21:39] <michael> IRC uber alles
[16:22:36] * michael has been sick and running a fever for the past 2 days so if I sound silly its the fever....
[16:23:00] * paf tries this new command Michael pointed at
[16:23:26] <michael> if you use it to much you start talking about yourself in the third person (ala Bob Doll)
[16:23:57] * paf don't think he will not have that problem
[16:23:59] <paf> :-)
[16:24:07] <paf> Gee...me and english. Sorry
[16:24:16] <paf> More coffee
[16:24:34] <jabley> presumably there's also a swedish_mafia hallway analogue?
[16:24:44] <jabley> there should surely be a secret_wg group, at least
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[16:24:52] <michael> so there really IS a swedish conspiracy!
[16:25:11] * jabley consults the handbook
[16:25:16] <jabley> no, it says here "there is no cabal"
[16:25:38] <paf> Shhh...don't tell anyone. No secret cabal. No Swedish conspriacy...
[16:25:48] <michael> well, that's because that's not the appropriate Swedish word. If we knew the right word it would mean we were in on the conspiracy.
[16:26:13] <paf> "Konspirationsteori"
[16:27:43] <jabley> sammansvärjning?
[16:27:46] <michael> I'm reading a book right now where a 20th century West Virginia coal mining town is transported back to central Germany during the 30 years war and end up hepling Adolphus Gustav win the war for Sweden... ;-) No Vasa though since Adolphus reads about the fact that it will sink and quits working on it. :-)
[16:28:28] <paf> Where do you find those books?
[16:29:13] <michael> it was one of the best selling alt history books this past year.... The first is '1632' and is hard to find. the second is '1633' and can be found in most books stores.
[16:29:16] <sommerfeld> michael:um? (a coworker of mine is into alternate history stories..)
[16:29:51] <jabley> does anybody happen to have the iCal URL for the seoul agenda with timestamps?
[16:30:35] <paf> webcal://www.icalx.com/public/larse/IETF-59.ics
[16:30:51] <jabley> thanks
[16:31:30] <sommerfeld> ah, found it on aamzon
[16:31:42] <sommerfeld> amazon, that is
[16:32:07] <sommerfeld> coffee!
[16:32:31] <jabley> I think the timezones are broken on that calendara
[16:33:50] <paf> There are no timezones in that calendar unfortunately.
[16:34:10] <jabley> I thought someone had sent some mail to ietf@ about a calendar which had timezones added, but maybe I am deluded
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[16:35:53] <paf> Hmmm...then I might have the wrong URL.
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[16:45:50] <iljitsch> http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/IETF-59.ics
[17:05:32] <jabley> ah, thank you
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[17:11:31] <michael> so what's the turnout looking like?
[17:13:08] <iljitsch> I'm guessing many more people from Asia, less people from Europe and the US than usual.
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[17:13:58] <iljitsch> But I'm curious about the total number of participants.
[17:14:12] <jabley> a large korean tourist contingent was speculated about at APRICOT
[17:14:14] <amalis> Most of the US regulars are here. We won't know the attendance until the plenary session.
[17:14:25] <jabley> (IETF tourist, I mean)
[17:14:46] <iljitsch> I don't think the regulars are the majority, though.
[17:15:44] <jabley> are the local hosts providing korean interpreters for any sessions?
[17:16:07] <iljitsch> aaargghh, how is that supposed to work?
[17:16:18] <jabley> they did at the APNIC meeting last year, and it worked pretty well
[17:16:26] <amalis> The sessions haven't started yet, but I really doubt it'll happen
[17:16:40] <amalis> There hasn't been any notice that would happen.
[17:16:59] <jabley> real-time steno in the APNIC meetings too, which is odd when it's your voice they're typing.
[17:17:10] <jabley> Kind of makes you lose your train of thought when you see the words appearing on a big screen with a lag of about 10 seconds :-)
[17:18:12] <iljitsch> yes they do that at icann too. it's actually pretty useful even if you can understand the speaker. :-) but some decent audio/video streaming would be a huge improvement too.
[17:18:33] <jabley> I wonder if the presence of multicast streams will have any noticable impact on me this meeting
[17:18:48] <jabley> I have yet to find anybody who will run me a tunnel somewhere that has an mbone feed
[17:18:55] <iljitsch> How many people can receive multicast anyway?
[17:19:01] <jabley> yeah, exactly
[17:19:28] <iljitsch> Now I'm all for "eat your own dog food" but this is getting ridiculous.
[17:20:35] <jabley> the mbone seems to have jumped straight from a pre-production tunnel architecture to patchy native deployment with no tunnels without any intermediate, migration step
[17:20:53] <jabley> if it wasn't for the fact that I won't see the video, and I'll be in a plane when it happens, I'd bring this up again in mboned :-)
[17:21:51] <iljitsch> But even if you can get it the audio and video tend to be out of sync so bad I can only use one at a time without banging my head against the wall.
[17:23:38] <jabley> ISOC should just pay to distribute the content through Akamai
[17:23:43] <jabley> soak up some of those ORG dollars
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[17:26:37] <jabley> hey, fred
[17:26:46] <fneves> Hi Joe !
[17:26:53] <jabley> when did you get in?
[17:27:01] <fneves> Saturday noon
[17:27:30] <jabley> so have you got any sleep yet? :-)
[17:28:14] <jabley> I think I averaged 4 hours per night in Kuala Lumpur last week
[17:28:41] <fneves> Terrible jetleg.... I'm waking up at 3, plenty of time to work :-)
[17:28:48] <jabley> heh
[17:29:14] <jabley> I tried beer therapy, thinking that if I went to bed at midnight, drunk, surely I would sleep through until about 9am
[17:29:17] <jabley> but apparently that doesn't work
[17:30:19] <fneves> :-), I've to go to a metting now, see you around !
[17:30:25] <jabley> I have a flight :-)
[17:30:28] <jabley> have a good one
[17:30:38] <fneves> Are you in Seoul ?
[17:30:45] <jabley> no, just arrived back in Canada
[17:30:54] <fneves> Ok.
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[19:19:35] <Ralph> Ack.
[19:19:53] <ehall> thanks for the echo
[19:20:07] <Ralph> Glad to hear it's working.
[19:23:52] <ehall> what's the date/time in S. Korea, anybody know?
[19:24:09] <Ralph> 10:30AM, 3/1
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[19:24:35] <ehall> thanks
[19:26:17] <sommerfeld> TZ=Asia/Seoul date
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[19:31:22] <jhutz> Horray for musical power connectors. This outlet is british
[19:32:19] <sommerfeld> beyond dual-stack power
[19:32:41] <sommerfeld> yah, the lamps are using the "big" UK outtle
[19:33:01] <sommerfeld> (as opposed to the small UK lamp plug..)
[19:36:06] <jhutz> I don't think the UK lamp plug is widely used, even in the UK. I onlyt saw something like two total when IETF was in London
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[19:44:48] <michael> tim robbins wins best supporting actor
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[19:54:49] <michael> LOTR won best set design
[19:54:58] <michael> err..... make that Art Direction
[19:59:31] <michael> Finding Nemo won best animation
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[20:06:57] <michael> LOTR won best costumes
[20:07:45] <fsolensky> Is anyone in any meeting performing scribe duty? Having the technology for this is nice but it's somewhat pointless if no one at the meetings takes notes.
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[20:14:52] <michael> Renee Zeilwiger (sp?) won best supporting actress
[20:15:12] <fsolensky> Zellweger
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[20:33:38] <michael> what the heck is Sting playing?
[20:52:40] <michael> LOTR won best special effects
[20:55:52] * michael gives up for the evening....
[20:59:40] <fsolensky> You know, it's tough to find info on that instrument -- imdb.com, the film's web site and the soundtrack description on Amazon doesn't mention it.
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[21:39:11] <fsolensky> LotR has won a bunch of technical awards: makeup, sound mixing, vis effects. "Fog of War" just won documentary feature.
[21:40:18] <sommerfeld> hmm. no chatroom for pki4ipsec
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[21:41:26] <ggm> oh noooooo where were the SPOILER WARNINGS. you bastards, I wanted to watch the tape with my wife!!!
[21:41:41] <ggm> (sigh)
[21:42:04] <fsolensky> Sorry: will desist.
[21:42:23] <ggm> nah, its ok. whats done is done. anyway, I'd probably have got it all via abc news in the end anyway
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[23:08:02] <jis> One of the interesting features of Jabber is that I can "whisper" to people in a room by picking them from the roster, but that doesn't give me their jabber id
[23:08:25] <jis> oops, last message wasn't intended fro the room
[23:08:41] <jis> hi everybody, from Boston. Wanted to be there, but my back isn't up for a long plane ride yet
[23:09:08] <hartmans> Yeah, but I wish that some rooms did use full jids so I could sort of trust the user mapping
[23:10:02] <ggm> who whispered! what was the tattle tail? good goss?
[23:11:54] <hartmans> no, we need a lot more clarity
[23:12:29] <hartmans> James: I read the draft. My first impression is that it should not come to the IETF. It is OASIS or W3C. To much reference to XML schema etc.
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[23:12:56] <hartmans> Oops wrong room
[23:13:54] <ggm> I guess some peoples clients are worse than others for this.
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