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o Administriva
  - Scribe(s)?
* Dave McDysan of Verizon volunteered.

o Agenda Bashing                                               10 minutes
    Chairs
* No changes.
o Review and status of work items                              15 minutes
    Chairs

Revised ID Needed
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draft-ietf-l3vpn-ipsec-2547-05

* Danny asked if anyone is interested they should speak now? 
* Lou Berger, Softwire WG - confirmed that there is no informative reference
to this draft. 
* Danny will send call to mailing list, cc'ing softwire on proposal to kill
this I-D.

Active Drafts:
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draft-ietf-l3vpn-2547bis-mcast-bgp-05  
draft-ietf-l3vpn-2547bis-mcast-07      
draft-ietf-l3vpn-e2e-rsvp-te-reqts-01  

Active Drafts and related issues
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http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-l3vpn-e2e-rsvp-te-reqts-01.txt 
15 minutes, Kumaki
* Dave McDysan commented on the assumption in section 5.6 "Please note that 
  there is always enough bandwidth available in service provider 
  backbone." He will put text on the mailing list for discussion.

Individual Drafts
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http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-morin-l3vpn-mvpn-considerations-00.txt 
15 minutes, Morin
* Show of hands requesting support for proposal for WG to adopt as document.
	- Hands favoring adoption was larger than those opposed 

http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-pmohapat-l3vpn-acceptown-community.txt 
25 minutes, Uttaro, Raszuk
* Had not planned to submit to IDR since it fits L3VPN.
* There were a number of questions, concerns expressed by Danny, Dave Ward,
and others.
* Danny indicated that there will be further discussion on the l3vpn working
group.
* Show of hands was that a small number of folks in the room had read
the draft, and most that had read would like to see it in l3vpn.  Will
make call on mailing list to adopt as WG draft.

http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-mnapierala-mvpn-part-reqt-02.txt 
15 minutes, Napierala
* Proposal was to accept it as a WG draft as a new requirements document.
* Half of the hands believed that they agreed with the requirements in the
I-D.
* Danny stated that he will take this to the list to decide on whether is
support for this set of requirements.

Open Mike Discussion - L3VPN What do we do next?                    
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Chairs, Audience, 20 minutes
* Marshall presented a summary of the options
* Does not appear to be a consensus on any one approach
* Should there be one solution or two?

* DISCUSSION
* Difference in opinions on whether IESG would support two solutions.
* Rahul requested to put Email to list on his phrasing of the 3 options
(roughly the following): 
	1. accept morin-l3vpn
	2. follow rosen profiles
	3. advance protocol specifications in parallel (Ward)

* Danny (re)iterated that the objective on the new chairs is to determine
the right questions to ask. Inputs and comments on the mailing list were
solicited, and questions to gauge direction and consensus would be 
sent to mailing list shortly.