Minutes interim-1991-iesg-02 1991-08-08 16:00
minutes-interim-1991-iesg-02-199108081600-00

IETF STEERING GROUP (IESG)

REPORT FROM THE TELECONFERENCE

AUGUST 8TH, 1991

Reported by:
Greg Vaudreuil, IESG Secretary

This report contains

- Meeting Agenda
- Meeting Attendees
- Meeting Notes

Please contact IESG Secretary Greg Vaudreuil
/>(iesg-secretary@nri.reston.va.us) for more details on any particular topic.

1. Meeting Attendees

Callon, Ross / DEC
Chiappa, Noel
Gross, Philip / ANS
Hobby, Russ / UC-DAVIS
Hinden, Robert / BBN
Reynolds, Joyce / ISI
Stockman, Bernard / SUNET/NORDUnet
Vaudreuil, Greg / CNRI

Regrets

Almquist, Philip / Consultant
Borman, David / CRAY
Crocker, Dave / DEC
Crocker, Steve / TIS
Coya, Steve / CNRI
Davin, Chuck / MIT
Estrada, Susan / CERFnet

2. Agenda

1) Administrivia
- Bash the Agenda
- Review of the Minutes
- July 25th
- July 30th - Aug 2nd.
- Open Plenary Report

2) Review of Action Items

3) Protocol Actions
- Review of protocol actions
- TCP Large Windows
- Router Discovery
- BGP

Minutes
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1. Administrivia

1.1 Agenda Bashing

Discussion of technical Management issues including a review of
the status of current working groups was deferred until a later
teleconference. It was expected that the important line by line walk
through of the BGP Usage document would require significant time.

1.2 Approval of the Minutes

There were no completed minutes to review at this meeting.

2. Review of Action Items

(89) Apr 25 [Russ Hobby]
Resolve the conflict with the two version of the IMAP protocol.

Russ Hobby is working to resolve the conflict in names between the two
IMAP protocols. Hobby has exchanged mail with the authors of both
IMAP RFC's and has yet to reach agreement with them. It is not clear
that a resolution by picking the "one true IMAP" is possible.

POSITION: In the absence of any agreement between the two authors of
the IMAP protocol RFC's the IESG recommends that they the RFC editor
declare that the IMAP protocol has "forked" and rename the two
resulting protocols.

ACTION: Hobby - Write a note to the RFC Editor expressing the sense of
the IESG in regard to the IMAP protocols.

(130) Jul 11 [Philip Almquist]
Create a finished version of the TOS specification ready to be
published as a Proposed Standard, as soon as possible.

This action is still pending

(133) Jul 11 [Phill Gross]
Find one of the authors of the BGP usage document, and encourage it's
rewrite.

This action has been discharged. Phill Gross worked directly with
Yakov Rekhter to rewrite the usage document. This action is discharged
as it is currently written, but there will be other actions to get the
set of BGP documents finally published.

(139) Jul 18 [Dave Borman, Bernhard Stockman]
Work together to redefine the scope of the existing DNS working group
and possibly start a new DNS Operations group.

It is not clear whether this action is still current. It has been
folded into a later action #157

This action is still pending

(141) Jul 18 [Greg Vaudreuil, Joyce Reynolds]
Insure that the NISI working group charter is updated to reflect the
addition of the following work item; write a document explaining the
security issues of privacy and accuracy in Internet Databases.

This action is still pending.

(143) Jul 18 [Noel Chiappa]
Chat with Geoff Stewart of Hale and Dore about continuing the research
into the liability of standards making bodies.

This action is still pending.

(146) Jul 18 [Steve Coya, Greg Vaudreuil]
Write the definitive IETF Handbook, to include material currently
available in the guidelines to working group chairman, the guidelines
to authors of internet drafts, and various draft IESG and IAB
standards process documents.

This action is still pending.

(148) Jul 18 [Ross Callon]
Send a more definitive explanation on the current status of the X.500
documents than is likely to recorded by the beleaguered IESG-Secretary
in these minutes.

This action is still pending.

(152) Jul 25 [Greg Vaudreuil]
Invite Steve Kent and the rest of the IAB to the Thursday IESG meeting
to discuss IPSO. Include a list of topics to be covered. Preference
is to have a resolution.

This action has been concluded.

(155) Jul 25 [Greg Vaudreuil]
Schedule a discussion on the evolution of existing standards in a
upcoming IESG meeting.

This action is still pending

(156) Jul 25 [Greg Vaudreuil]
Send a list of current protocol actions as a regular attachment to the
IESG Agenda.

This was discharged for the first time with this teleconference. It
will be deleted, and continued for future agenda's.

(157) Jul 25 [Phill Gross, Susan Estrada]
Explore the need for an operations DNS working group, and if needed,
find a chair and write a charter for a DNS operation meeting, where
close coordination with the protocol group is explicitly specified.

This action is still pending the resolution of the current state of
the DNS working group. It is still not clear whether the best path is
to split the working group of keep a single focus of attention.

(159) Jul 25 [Noel Chiappa, ]
Work with Vaudreuil to state the IESG understanding of the creation of
IP version 7 as a POSITION of the IESG.

This is still pending. Approval of the July 25th minutes to which
this action applies is still pending.

(161) Aug 02 [Noel Chiappa]
Investigate Kent's concern about the router discovery protocols
actions in response to a new default router announcement.

This action has been completed. Kent's objections are addressed
in the current wording of the Router Discovery document.

(162) Aug 02 [Greg Vaudreuil]
Schedule a discussion in an upcoming IESG meeting on mechanisms for
registering distinguished names.

This action is still pending.

(163) Aug 02 [Noel Chiappa, Bob Hinden]
Investigate the progress and direction of the IPLPDN working group and
report to the IESG.

This action is still pending.

3. Protocol Actions

3.1 Review of protocol items

The first comprehensive list of pending protocol actions was sent to
the IESG.

3.1.1 Ethernet MIB

The Ethernet MIB controversy still exists.

ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Set up a teleconference for a 11 AM EST
conference call on Ethernet MIB between Kastenholtz, Rose, Davin,
Case, Gross, Vaudreuil, Chiappa

3.1.2 Security Guidelines

A final Internet Draft version is ready to be published as an Internet
Draft. This document was remanded back to the working group by the
IAB. It's rewrite is nearing completion.

3.2 TCP Extensions for High Bandwidth*Delay paths.

The executive director of the IAB notified the IESG that this
recommendation would not be approved by the IAB. A technical "hole"
was alluded to but no specifics were provided.

This protocol was developed in a collaboration between Van Jacobsen\
LBL, the End to End Research Group and the IETF TCP Large Windows
working group.

ACTION: Gross - Send a message to the IAB expressing the desire of the
IESG to have technical feedback on the TCP Large Windows protocol
extensions.

ACTION: Gross - Write a statement to the IAB expressing the need felt
by the IESG for a public response to the public IESG recommendations
to the IAB.

ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send all approved IESG Minutes to the IAB.

ACTION: Vaudreuil -- IESG Minutes should have the Date of Approval and
the Date sent to the IAB noted in the text.

3.3 Router Discovery

Noel Chiappa reported that Steve Kent is satisfied, although not
absolutely happy with the current wording of the Router Discovery
document. A recommendation will be written for the next IESG meeting.

3.4 BGP

A line by line review of the current BGP Usage document was
undertaken.

The interaction of BGP and IGP's was a subject of much discussion.
Members of the IESG felt that documenting how BGP and IGP's
interoperate was a valuable part of the usage document, and contained
information extremely helpful in operating the routing system. It was
not clear whether this information for each IGP was appropriate for
the main body of the BGP Usage document or an appendix.

POSITION: It is the opinion of the IESG that the Appendix A discussing
the interaction with BGP and an IGP in some form should be in the
included with the BGP Usage document, either in the appendix or in the
body.

ACTION: Gross -- Communicate the opinion of the IESG concerning the
Interactions of BGP with IGP's to the authors of the BGP Usage document
and integrate the useful Interaction information into the document.

The IESG also felt that the document would benefit from an abstract,
of the form normally required for Internet Drafts.