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Date and time 1992-08-24 16:00
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Minutes of the IESG Teleconferences

    IETF STEERING GROUP (IESG)

    REPORT FROM THE TELECONFERENCE

    August 24th, 1992

    Reported by: Greg Vaudreuil, IESG Secretary

    This report contains IESG meeting notes, positions and action items.
    For more information please contact the IESG Secretary.

    iesg-secretary@nri.reston.va.us

    ATTENDEES
    ---------

    Borman, David / Cray Research
    Crocker, Dave / TBO
    Crocker, Steve / TIS
    Coya, Steve / CNRI
    Davin, Chuck / Bellcore
    Gross, Philip / ANS
    Hobby, Russ /UC-Davis
    Huizer, Erik / SURFnet
    Reynolds, Joyce / ISI
    Stockman, Bernard / SUNET/NORDUnet
    Vaudreuil, Greg / CNRI

    Regrets
    Almquist, Philip / Consultant
    Hinden, Robert / SUN
    Piscitello, Dave/ Bellcore

    AGENDA
    ------

    1) Administrivia
    o Bash the Agenda
    o Next Meeting
    o IESG-Admin mailing list

    2) Protocol Actions
    o Ethernet MIB
    o Dynamic Host Configuration
    o Hub MIB

    3) Technical Management Issues
    o ROAD Work Plan
    o SMP Chairman
    o TAP and STD/RFC Confusion

    4) Working Group Actions
    o Integration of Internet Information Service (iiis)
    o IP Address Encapsulation (ipae)
    o Whois and Network Information Lookup Service (wnils)

    MINUTES
    --------

    1) Administrivia

    o Bash the Agenda

    The IESG agenda was altered as the meeting progressed.

    o Next Meeting.

    The IESG agreed to meet weekly for the next month to continue work
    on the backlog of items. These meetings will each be from 12-2 pm
    ET. August 31th, September 10th or 11th, September 14th, September
    21st, October 1st

    o IESG-ADMIN mailing list

    To foster more effecient scheduling of IESG meetings, a new mailing
    list was set up to include administrative support people responsible
    for IESG members calendars.

    ACTION: Coya -- Set up the IESG-Admin@nri.reston.va.us mailing list and
    send a notice to the IESG soliciting entries.

    2) Protocol Actions

    o Ethernet MIB

    The Ethernet MIB was approved as revised during the last call
    period.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a recommendation to publish the Ethernet MIB
    as a Draft Standard.

    o Hub MIB

    The IESG discussed the single comment raised during the last call
    period, agreed upon a response and approved the 802.3 Repeater MIB
    for Proposed Standard.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a recommendation to the IAB to publish the
    802.3 Repeater MIB as a Proposed Standard.

    o Dynamic Host Configuration

    The review of the Dynamic Host Configuration was assigned to the
    Transport and Services area and will be reviewed by Dave Borman.

    ACTION: Borman -- Review the set of Dynamic Host Configuration
    documents.

    3) Technical Management Issues

    o ROAD Work Plan

    The IESG discussed a work plan document combined from Philip
    Almquist's draft and the IESG proposal sent to the Big-Internet
    list. The IESG agreed that the document should be posted as an
    Internet Draft as soon as possible. Publication as an
    Informational RFC was discussed but deferred until the IETF had a
    chance to review and submit comments.

    ACTION: Gross - Make final edits with Bob Hinden to the IESG ROAD Work
    Plan and submit the document to the Internet Drafts directory for
    review.

    IPAE is the first Working Group proposed under the work plan and
    the IESG decided to actively solicit additional charters before
    announcing IPAE. Because of the shortage of resources in the
    Internet Area the tasks of soliciting the charters was distributed
    among the IESG.

    ACTION: Dave Crocker -- Get a final version of the IPAE charter to the
    IESG.

    ACTION: Piscitello -- Work to get a charter for the TUBA effort
    submitted to the IESG.

    ACTION: Davin -- Work to get a charter for the PIP protocol effort
    submitted to the IESG.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Work with Noel Chiappa to get a charter for a
    NIMROD working group.

    Work on Integrating CIDR into the current routing protocols is
    progressing in individual Working Groups in the Routing Area. The
    IESG felt that additional coordination was needed for deployment in
    addition to the BGP efforts and tasked Stockman to assemble and
    charter a CIDR deployment working group.

    ACTION: Stockman -- Form a Cidr Deployment Working Group.

    o SMP Working Group Chairmanship

    Finding a chairman for the SMP Working Group continues to be a
    challenge. The IESG discussed the wisdom of requesting the Area
    Director for Network Management Chuck Davin chair this group. The
    IESG agreed that this was not an optimal solution and requested
    that the search be expanded to individuals who are not central to
    the SNMP community.

    o TAP and the RFC/STD confusion

    Daniel Bernstein has submitted his TAP specification to the RFC
    Editor for publication as a Informational document. This document
    is roughly equivalent to a document submitted earlier as a Proposed
    Standard for which the IDENT Working Group was formed. The author
    is not satisfied with the work of this group and has asked to have
    his submission published as Informational. The IESG discussed this
    request with the RFC Editor and has suggested that in the current
    environment where RFCs are equated incorrectly with standards,
    publication of TAP would be seen as directly competing with the
    efforts of the IETF working group.

    The cause of confusion is the procedure by which an Informational
    document specifying protocol is published. The STD series does not
    appear to have reduced the appearance of RFCs as standard to
    outside individuals. Currently the RFC Editor may at his discretion
    publish the document, an awkward procedure when the IESG suggests
    that the document should not be published.

    ACTION: Dave Crocker -- Write a proposed policy on the publication of
    Informational documents specifying protocol as RFCs.

    ACTION: Gross -- Make a request to the IAB Executive Director to hold a
    joint IESG/IAB teleconference to discuss this persistent procedural
    problem.

    4) Working Group Actions

    o Integration of Internet Information Services (IIIS)

    The proposed IIIS working group is one of several working groups
    being formed to address the needs of the Internet for Resource and
    Information location services. IIIS is intended to take the work of
    several prototype services like Archie, Prospero, Gopher and WWW,
    determine common requirements and define a common protocol.

    The IESG discussed this working group in the context of two other
    recently proposed, but not initially coordinated WGs -- Universal
    Resource Locator/Universial Document Identifier (URL) and Network
    Information Retrieval (NIR). These groups each address a specific
    part of what should be considered as a coordinated project.

    IIIS will standardize upon an information access protocol. URL will
    standardize on a common global document naming convention. NIR will
    determine what needs naming and how to name it.

    The IESG agreed that these working groups needed to be tightly
    coordinated and well managed to insure a workable solution.
    Therefore, rather than approve the charters of these groups
    individually, the IESG opted to encourage the IIIS and other WGs to
    write coordinated charters.

    To achieve this coordination, the IESG asked Huizer, Hobby, and
    Reynolds to draft a brief architecural overview statement that could
    be referenced by, or incorporated into, the charters of each WG.

    The IESG decided to create these working group in the Applications
    area under Russ Hobby. They will be co-managed by Joyce Reynolds in
    the User Services area.

    ACTION: Hobby, Reynolds, Huizer -- Draft a Brief (~1 page)
    overview/architecture for a coordinated "Integrated Internet
    Information Service".

    ACTION: Hobby, Reynolds -- Coordinate the drafting of the charters for
    the proposed Integrated Internet Information Services, Universal
    Document Identifier and Network Information Retreival Working Groups to
    align with the above overview/architecture..

    The Coalition for Network Information (CNI) has express an interest
    in supporting and participating in the work of these working
    groups.

    ACTION: Reynolds, Gross -- With the architecture and charters for the
    internet information working groups, meet with CNI and discuss
    arrangements for effective liaison and participation.

    o Whois and Network Information Lookup Service (wnils)

    The IESG reviewed the wnils charter. The WHOIS protocol is widely
    implemented and the IESG is reluctant to sanction a major
    extension. The IESG is supportive of an effort to foster
    operational coordination and consistent information responses.

    ACTION: Hobby -- Contact the chair of the proposed WNILS Working Group
    and seek clarifications in the charter on the scope of the effort.

    o IP Encapsulation (ipae)

    The IESG reviewed the IPAE charter. With minor changes, the IESG
    approved the work plan, but will delay announcement of this working
    group until the IESG ROAD work plan is published as an Internet
    Draft.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- After the IESG ROAD work plan, announce the IPAE
    Working Group to the IETF.