Minutes interim-1993-iesg-01 1993-01-04 17:00
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Minutes of the IESG Teleconferences

    IETF STEERING GROUP (IESG)

    REPORT FROM THE IETF MEETING

    January 4th, 1993

    Reported by: Greg Vaudreuil, IESG Secretary

    This report contains IESG meeting notes, positions and action items.

    These minutes were compiled by the IETF Secretariat which is supported
    by the National Science Foundation under Grant No. NCR 8820945.

    For more information please contact the IESG Secretary.
    iesg-secretary@cnri.reston.va.us.

    ATTENDEES
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    Borman, David / Cray Research
    Crocker, Steve / TIS
    Coya, Steve / CNRI
    Davin, Chuck / Bellcore
    Gross, Philip / ANS
    Hinden, Robert / SUN
    Hobby, Russ / UC-DAVIS
    Huizer, Erik / SURFnet
    Knowles, Stev / FTP Software
    Piscitello, Dave/ Bellcore
    Vaudreuil, Greg / CNRI

    Regrets

    Almquist, Philip / Consultant
    Chapin, Lyman / BBN
    Crocker, Dave / TBO
    Reynolds, Joyce / ISI
    Stockman, Bernard / SUNET/NORDUnet

    AGENDA
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    1) Administrivia
    o Approval of the Minutes
    - December 21st
    o Teleconference Meeting Times

    2) Protocol Actions
    o PEM
    o SMTP Extensions
    o DS1 MIB
    o DS3 MIB

    3) Technical Management Issues
    o IP Addressing Guidelines
    o SNMP Security
    o Policy Statements

    4) RFC Editor Actions
    o RIP (Wide Area Routing with RIP)
    o Traceroute

    5) Working Group Actions

    o IP Security (ipsec)
    o SIP (sip)

    MINUTES
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    1) Administrivia

    o Minutes

    The IESG had several comments on the Minutes of December 21st. These
    minutes were held over for approval until the next teleconference.

    o Teleconference Meeting Times

    The IESG meetings have been rescheduled for 11:30 ET to ease
    dinnertime inconvenience and facilitate more quality family time for
    the growing families of IESG members in the ET+6 timezone. Because
    many ET cafeterias are open only during the teleconference, this will
    slightly ease grouchiness of the several ET participants. It is
    understood that all ET-3 participants rise early and would welcome
    stimulating breakfast conversation.

    2) Protocol Actions

    o PEM

    The letter from RSA pledging to make licenses available to all on a
    non-discriminatory basis was forwarded to the IESG. PEM is the first
    protocol the IESG has been asked to standardize which a key
    technology is subject to licensing. Further, the technology is
    subject to restrictive export controls. Questions remain in the IESG
    about how these issues will impact availability and utility of the
    protocol.

    ACTION: SCrocker -- Write text for the protocol action announcement
    addressing the patent and export issues.

    o SMTP Extensions

    The SMTP Extensions Working Group has produced a revised version of
    the protocol initially sent to the IESG. These changes were reviewed
    by the IESG and approved. Comments on the informational transition
    document were raised by Keld Simonsen. The IESG discussed these
    comments which were earlier raised wrt to the MIME protocol and did
    not feel they needed to be further discussed.

    ACTION: Hobby -- Send a response to Keld Simonsen addressing his
    comments on the ESMTP transitional document.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a draft protocol action and ballot to the
    IESG for approval.

    o DS3 MIB and DS1 MIB

    RFC 1232 and RFC 1233 contain a fundamental error: many objects are
    encoded as counters that must be encoded as integers or gauges. The
    magnitude of the change required is sufficient that virtually every
    object changed. Corrected documentation was submitted to the IESG.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a Protocol Action and Ballot to the IESG for
    approval.

    3) Technical Management

    o IP Addressing Guidelines

    Discussion was opened with the authors of the IP addressing
    guidelines about the IESG intention to make this document an
    Informational document. The authors disagreed with this approach
    preferring to use the approach used with the NSAP addressing
    guidelines, Proposed Standard. The IESG discussed the document and
    noted that the guidelines are clearly not protocols in the sense of
    something that is implemented to be interoperable. The guidelines do
    not improve interoperability, although they do increase efficiency,
    but they are an important operational coordination issue.

    IP addressing guidelines are a integral part of CIDR. It was
    pointed out that CIDR itself is not a standards track protocol
    although specific protocols needed to implement it are such as
    BGP4.

    It has become clear to the IESG that Proposed Standard is not the
    right designation for these operational guidelines but a
    document subseries for this class of documents has not yet been
    created. A proposal for Statements of Policy (SOP) subseries similar
    to the OG series the IAB had earlier discussed was suggested by the
    authors via an Internet-Draft.

    While proposed standard was not the approach favored by the IESG, it
    was not able to address the full implications of making this document
    informational.

    ACTION: Gross -- Discuss with the IANA, the FEPG, IEPG, and the authors
    of the IP Addressing Guidelines document the implications of making
    document an Informational document.

    o SNMP Security

    There is a continuing technical disagreement in the SNMP Security
    Working Group which does not seem to be reaching closure.
    Similarities between this controversy and the SMTP Extensions
    gridlock were noted and the Network Management Area Director
    requested that the IESG serve as a moderator. The IESG briefly
    discussed the situation and requested that the Security Area Director
    and the Network Management Area Director investigate and report back
    to the IESG.

    ACTION: Davin and SCrocker -- Investigate the current disagreements in
    the SNMP Security Working Group and report back to the IESG.

    o Operational Guidelines

    Detailed discussion on an Operational Guidelines (OG) subseries was
    deferred until the next teleconference.

    4) RFC Editor Actions

    o Routing over Demand Circuits on Wide Area Networks - RIP.

    This document was sent to the RFC Editor as Proposed Standard. It
    was referred to the IESG for assignment to a Working Group. This has
    not yet been done.

    ACTION: Hinden -- Assign the Routing over Demand Circuits - RIP to a
    IETF Working Group to be reviewed prior to submission as a Proposed
    Standard.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a note to Jon Postel acknowledging receipt of
    this document.

    o Traceroute

    The IESG has reviewed the Traceroute document submitted as a
    Experimental Protocol. The IESG sent extensive technical comments
    to the RFC editor. The IESG is willing to have this published as an
    Experimental Protocol provided the title is changed to reduce
    confusion with the current traceroute utility.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a note to the RFC Editor expressing the IESG
    feedback on the traceroute document.

    5) Working Group Actions

    o IP Security

    No progress to report.

    o SIP

    The SIP Working Group charter was held up pending review of several
    milestones which appeared over-aggressive. The delivery dates have
    passed and the IESG refined the milestones for January.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Announce the formation of the SIP Working Group.

    APPENDIX -- Summary of Action Items

    ACTION: SCrocker -- Write text for the protocol action announcement
    addressing the patent and export issues.

    ACTION: Hobby -- Send a response to Keld Simonsen addressing his
    comments on the ESMTP transitional document.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a draft protocol action and ballot to the
    IESG for approval.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a Protocol Action and Ballot to the IESG for
    approval.

    ACTION: Gross -- Discuss with the IANA, the FEPG, IEPG, and the authors
    of the IP Addressing Guidelines document the implications of making
    document an Informational document.

    ACTION: Davin and SCrocker -- Investigate the current disagreements in
    the SNMP Security Working Group and report back to the IESG.

    ACTION: Hinden -- Assign the Routing over Demand Circuits - RIP to a
    IETF Working Group to be reviewed prior to submission as a Proposed
    Standard.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a note to Jon Postel acknowledging receipt of
    this document.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a note to the RFC Editor expressing the IESG
    feedback on the traceroute document.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Announce the formation of the SIP Working Group.