Minutes interim-1993-iesg-09 1993-03-18 16:30
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Minutes of the IESG Teleconferences

    IETF STEERING GROUP (IESG)

    REPORT FROM THE IETF MEETING

    March 18th, 1993

    Reported by: Greg Vaudreuil, IESG Secretary

    This report contains IESG meeting notes, positions and action items.

    These minutes were compiled by the IETF Secretariat which is supported
    by the National Science Foundation under Grant No. NCR 8820945.

    For more information please contact the IESG Secretary.
    iesg-secretary@cnri.reston.va.us.

    ATTENDEES
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    Almquist, Philip / Consultant
    Crocker, Dave / SGI
    Crocker, Steve / TIS
    Coya, Steve / CNRI
    Gross, Philip / ANS
    Hinden, Robert / SUN
    Hobby, Russ / UC-DAVIS
    Huizer, Erik / SURFnet
    Knowles, Stev / FTP Software
    Reynolds, Joyce / ISI
    Stockman, Bernard / SUNET/NORDUnet
    Vaudreuil, Greg / CNRI

    IAB Liaison
    Chapin, Lyman / BBN
    Christian Huitema / INRIA

    Regrets
    Borman, David / Cray Research
    Piscitello, Dave/ Bellcore

    AGENDA
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    1. Administrivia

    o Roll Call
    o Bash the Agenda
    o Approval of minutes
    - Feb 22nd
    - Mar 1st
    - Mar 8th

    2. Protocol Actions

    o RFC 1327 tutorial
    o NOC Tools revisited

    3. DRAFT Protocols Expired in Grade

    o The Finger User Information Protocol <RFC1288>
    o Telnet Linemode Option <RFC1184>
    o NICNAME/WHOIS <RFC954>
    o Bootstrap Protocol <RFC951>

    4. PROPOSED Protocols Expired in Grade

    o Transmitting IP Traffic over ARCNET Networks <RFC1201>
    o Use of OSI IS-IS for Routing in TCP/IP and Dual Environments <RFC1195>
    o Network News Transfer Protocol <RFC977>

    5. Working Group Actions

    o Authentication and Access Control
    o Mail and Directory Management
    o Source Demand Routing

    6. Tasked Items

    o RPC & NFS
    o IP Security Working Group Charter
    o IP Address Guidelines A/S
    o WAR with RIP
    o RIP A/S
    o Revised IPLPDN Working Group Charter

    7. Management Issues

    o US vs International Domains
    o Status of SAAG
    o Co-Area Director for Security
    o The RFC1154 issue
    o Compressing TCP/IP Headers
    o New Working Group Chairman Orientation

    MINUTES
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    1) Administrivia

    o Approval of the Minutes

    The IESG approved the minutes of the February 22nd, the March 1st,
    and the March 8th Teleconferences.

    o Next Meeting

    The IESG next plans to meet informally over dinner at the IETF
    Plenary.

    2) Protocol Actions

    o RFC 1327 Tutorial

    This document was submitted to the IESG for consideration as an
    Informational document a bit pre-maturely. The Area Director has
    reviewed the document and has suggested several changes including a
    revision to the title. This item will be listed as "WG-DISCUSS"
    until a new document is submitted.

    o NOC Tools

    The NOC Tools Catalogue was approved by the IESG earlier as an
    Informational document. After the approval, and before publication,
    several additions were gathered. The IESG was asked whether the
    changes should be made to the document or whether original document
    should be published.

    The NOC Tools Catalogue is one of several living documents that is
    updated regularly. Rather than revise the document after the IESG
    has approved it, the IESG recommends publication of an update
    document listing the new entries.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Notify the RFC Editor that the IESG recommends he
    publish the NOC Tools document as initially submitted and make any
    additions in a separate addendum document.

    3) Draft Standard Protocols Expired in Grade

    The IESG briefly reviewed the status of the Draft Standard Protocols
    which have been Proposed Standards for more than 2 years to determine
    of IESG action is needed or whether any extensions granted earlier are
    still valid.

    o Finger User Information Protocol

    This protocol was revised since being elevated to Draft Standard.
    The revisions were made to make the documentation align more closely
    to the implemented protocol. The IESG should consider its status.

    ACTION: Hobby -- Prepare a protocol action notice for the elevation of
    Finger to full Standard.

    o Telnet Linemode Option

    This Telnet Option has been widely implemented and operationally
    deployed. Its status will be reviewed by the IESG.

    ACTION: Hobby - Prepare a protocol action notice for the elevation of
    the Telnet Linemode Option to Full Standard.

    o NICNAME/WHOIS

    The IESG earlier reviewed this protocol and found the documentation
    to be lacking. The current document is little more than the
    description of a specific service offered by the DDN NIC at one
    time. The Whois and Network Information Lookup Service Working
    Group is tasked to produce a new protocol document. No actions
    needed at this time.

    o Bootstrap Protocol

    Some additions to the BOOTP Protocol is being contemplated as part
    of the Dynamic Host Configuration effort. The IESG will consider
    the status of this protocol when the Dynamic Host configuration work
    is submitted to the IESG. No further action is needed at this
    time.

    4) Proposed Standard Protocols Expired in Grade

    These protocols have been Proposed Standards for more than two years.

    o Transmitting IP Traffic over ARCNET Networks

    The IESG knew little of the status of this protocol, and committed
    to reviewing its status.

    ACTION: Knowles or Piscitello -- Review the IP over ARCnet protocol and
    determine if it meets the requirements for Draft Standard status.

    o Use of OSI IS-IS for Routing in TCP/IP and Dual Environments

    A revision of RFC 1195 has been posted and work is continuing to
    implement and deploy the protocol. The chairman of this working
    group is unable to continue his service and a new chairman is being
    sought. This protocols should be reviewed by the IESG

    ACTION: Hinden -- Investigate the status of the Dual IS-IS protocol.
    Report on whether an extension should be granted.

    o Network News Transfer Protocol

    The NNTP Protocol is being revised in the NNTP Working Group. It is
    not clear whether the new protocol should be considered an update or
    whether it is a new protocol. If the later, the original NNTP
    should be reviewed for advancement independently of the current
    revisions.

    ACTION: Hobby -- Investigate the NNTP Protocol as defined in RFC 977
    and report on whether the protocol should be evaluated independently of
    the current protocol developments in the working group.

    5) Working Group Action

    o Authorization and Access Control (aac)

    The IESG continues to have questions about the relationship of IP
    Security, Common Authentication Technology, and this proposed
    group. A brief document relating these efforts was requested of the
    Security Area Director.

    ACTION: SCrocker produce a short document describing the relationship
    between the IP Security, AAC, and CAT Working Groups and how they
    relate to the Internet security problem space.

    o Mail and Directory Management (madman)

    The charter is under active discussion. A new version is expected
    from Steve Kille. Participation in the charter drafting was
    explicitly requested of Dave Crocker.

    o Source Demand Routing.

    The Source Demand Routing Charter was recast to produce a prototype
    protocol initially. After the significant issues surrounding
    dynamic construction of source routes is resolved, the work will
    more to proposed standard. The IESG approved this Working Group.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Announce the formation of the Source Demand
    Routing Working Group.

    6) Tasked Items

    Only the tasked items with some information to report are listed
    below.

    o IP Addressing

    The first draft of the IP Addressing Applicability Statement was
    written by Yakov Rekhter and Tony Li for the IESG.

    ACTION: Gross, Hinden -- Review the draft Applicability Statement and
    after making any necessary changes post it as an Internet Draft.

    o RPC-NFS

    There continues to be no progress to report. The IESG agreed that
    the NFS and RPC documents will move to historic state regardless of
    whether SUN agrees to participate in an open process to define
    accurate new specifications. The question is on of timing and the
    IESG agreed to wait another two weeks before taking this action.

    7) Management Issues

    o US and Regional ADMD Guidelines

    The X.400 Operations Working Group is contemplating a proposed
    standard for the assignment of ADMDs in the US. This assignment
    strategy is applicable to other nations. The IESG recommends that
    this document be an developed as an Informational policy
    implementation guideline and not a standard.

    ACTION: Huizer -- Advise the X.400 Operations Working Group that the
    IESG feels the X.400 ADMD assignment document should be an
    Informational implementation guidelines rather than standard.

    o New Working Group chairman briefing.

    The IESG agreed that the new Working Group Chairman orientation was a
    good idea. Without a syllabus, it was not clear the IESG should
    require attendance for new (or even some old-timers!).

    ACTION: DCrocker -- Prepare a syllabus for the New Working Group
    chairman briefing and distribute to the IESG as soon before the IETF
    meeting as possible.

    o Status of the SAAG

    Steve Crocker related the history of the SAAG to the IESG and
    explained that the original mission of the SAAG, security education
    and guidance, does not quite satisfy the needs for an Area
    Directorate. The IESG agreed that the SAAG could be refocused on
    the protocol review and technical advisory missions that
    directorates have grown to meet.

    o New Version of IP

    There was not much information sent to the Internet Area Director
    on the current implementation experience for the proposed sucessors
    to the IP v4 protocol.

    Appendix - Summary of Action Items Assigned

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Notify the RFC Editor that the IESG recommends he
    publish the NOC Tools document as initially submitted and make any
    additions in a separate addendum document.

    ACTION: Hobby -- Prepare a protocol action notice for the elevation of
    Finger to full Standard.

    ACTION: Hobby - Prepare a protocol action notice for the elevation of
    the Telnet Linemode Option to Full Standard

    ACTION: Knowles or Piscitello -- Review the IP over ARCnet protocol and
    determine if it meets the requirements for Draft Standard status.

    ACTION: Hinden -- Investigate the status of the Dual IS-IS protocol.
    Report on whether an extension should be granted.

    ACTION: Hobby -- Investigate the NNTP Protocol as defined in RFC 977
    and report on whether the protocol should be evaluated independently of
    the current protocol developments in the working group.

    ACTION: SCrocker produce a short document describing the relationship
    between the IP Security, AAC, and CAT Working Groups and how they
    relate to the Internet security problem space.

    ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Announce the formation of the Source Demand
    Routing Working Group.

    ACTION: Gross, Hinden -- Review the draft Applicability Statement and
    after making any necessary changes post it as an Internet Draft.

    ACTION: Huizer -- Advise the X.400 Operations Working Group that the
    IESG feels the X.400 ADMD assignment document should be an
    Informational implementation guidelines rather than standard.

    ACTION: DCrocker -- Prepare a syllabus for the New Working Group
    chairman briefing and distribute to the IESG as soon before the IETF
    meeting as possible.