Minutes interim-2003-iesg-10 2003-05-29 15:30
minutes-interim-2003-iesg-10-200305291530-00

											
Minutes of the IESG Teleconferences

    INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
    May 29, 2003

    Reported by: Dinara Suleymanova, IETF Secretariat

    ATTENDEES
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    Harald Alvestrand / Cisco
    Rob Austein / IAB Liaison
    Marcia Beaulieu / IETF Secretariat
    Steve Bellovin / AT&T Labs
    Randy Bush / IIJ
    Michelle Cotton / ICANN
    Leslie Daigle / Verisign (IAB)
    Bill Fenner / AT&T
    Ned Freed / Sun Microsystems
    Barbara Fuller / IETF Secretariat
    Ted Hardie / Qualcomm, Inc.
    Russ Housley / Vigil Security, LLC
    Allison Mankin / Bell Labs, Lucent
    Jon Peterson / NeuStar, Inc.
    Dinara Suleymanova / IETF Secretariat
    Bert Wijnen / Lucent
    Alex Zinin / Alcatel

    REGRETS
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    Jacqueline Hargest / IETF Secretariat
    Thomas Narten / IBM
    Erik Nordmark / Sun
    Joyce K. Reynolds / ISI (RFC Editor)

    Minutes
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    1. The minutes of the May 15, 2003 teleconference were approved.
    The Secretariat to place in public archives.

    2. Review Action Items

    DONE TASKS:
    o Secretariat to send ldup WG Action/Re-charter announcement to IAB, IESG, WG Chairs.
    If nothing happens, in one week Ted will ask Secretariat to announce.
    o After netconf WG Chairs are approved, Bert will ask Secretariat to send WG Action
    to ietf-announce, cc: WG Chairs.
    o Secretariat to send mmusic charter (WG Re-charter) to ietf-announce and new-work.
    o Secretariat to send IESG a list of groups with whom we need to avoid meeting conflicts
    when scheduling IETF conferences.
    o Alex to send RFC Editor Note for draft-ietf-ppvpn-framework-08.txt addressing
    Bert's and Ted's concerns.
    o Secretariat to include IESG note in announcement for draft-ogura-ipv6-mapos-02.txt
    o Secretariat to include new RFC Editor Note in announcement for
    draft-murchison-sieve-subaddress-06.txt
    o Secretariat to send internal Working Group Review message for simple WG
    o Alex to send DNP message for draft-srisuresh-ospf-te-05.txt to Secretariat to send
    on behalf of IESG.
    o Alex will notify Secretariat once ok to announce draft-ietf-ipo-framework-04.txt
    (removed)

    OUTSTANDING TASKS:
    IP o Allison to review draft-agrawal-sip-h323-interworking-reqs
    and send decision to IESG.
    IP o Erik to document process of how the IESG goes about asking architectural
    questions of the IAB
    IP o Thomas to write (or cause to be written) a draft on "how to get to Draft".
    IP o Thomas to contact Cablelabs to discuss formal relationship with IAB
    IP o Allison and Thomas will email Secretariat note to send to RFC Editor
    about 3GPP RFC Editor documents.
    IP o Ned to write an IESG note for draft-tegen-smqp (Informational)
    IP o Steve to write RFC re: TCP MD5 option
    IP o Randy and Ned to finish ID on Clarifying when Standards Track Documents may
    Refer Normatively to Documents at a Lower Level
    IP o Alex to send proposal and justification for interim document review.
    IP o Ted to write straw working group procedures for handling consensus-blocked decisions
    IP o Steve to generate a summary of IESG views of the "problem"
    IP o Steve to propose a different document classification than the current
    info/proposed/etc.

    NEW TASKS:
    o Harald Alvestrand to talk to RFC Editor about independent submissions.
    o Secretariat to include the following statement (line) before the draft approval
    announcement that is part of a ballot.

    ---- following is a DRAFT of message to be sent AFTER approval ---
    To: IETF-Announce:;
    Dcc: *******

    o Alex Zinin to phrase a question to RTG and OPS Area Directoriats and IAB on PPVPN issue.
    Alex to summarize the results as a proposed IESG consensus regarding the PPVPN issue
    to be given to the PPVPN working group.
    o IESG to review IANA matrix data.

    2. Protocol Actions
    2.1. WG Submissions
    2.1.1. New Item

    o RTCP attribute in SDP (Proposed Standard)
    <draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp4nat-04.txt>
    Token: Peterson, Jon
    Approved pending RFC Editor's Note to be prepared by
    Jon Peterson with authors' permission.
    Secretariat to send Protocol Action Announcement including RFC Editor's Note.

    o Registration Revocation in Mobile IPv4 (Proposed Standard)
    <draft-ietf-mobileip-reg-revok-07.txt>
    Token: Narten, Thomas
    Approved pending RFC Editor's Note to be prepared by Steve Bellovin.
    Secretariat to send Protocol Action Announcement including RFC Editor's Note.

    o Textual Conventions for IPv6 Flow Label (Proposed Standard)
    <draft-ietf-ops-ipv6-flowlabel-01.txt>
    Token: Bush, Randy
    Approved.
    Secretariat to send Protocol Action Announcement.

    2.1.2. Returning Item
    NONE

    2.2. Individual Submissions
    2.2.1. New Item

    o Printer MIB v2 (Proposed Standard)
    <draft-ietf-printmib-mib-info-15.txt>
    Token: Freed, Ned
    Approved.
    Secretariat to send Protocol Action Announcement.

    o Registration procedures for message header fields (BCP)
    <draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-06.txt>
    Token: Freed, Ned
    Deferred by Harald Alvestrand, Allison Mankin, Jon Peterson.
    Secretariat to put on the agenda for the next telechat on June 12, 2003.

    o Delegation of E.F.F.3.IP6.ARPA (BCP)
    <draft-ymbk-6bone-arpa-delegation-01.txt>
    Token: Narten, Thomas
    Approved.
    Secretariat to send Protocol Action Announcement.

    2.2.2. Returning Item

    o Collective Attributes in LDAP (Proposed Standard)
    <draft-zeilenga-ldap-collective-08.txt>
    Token: Hardie, Ted
    Under discussion by Steve Bellovin and Russ Housley.

    3. Document Actions
    3.1. WG Submissions
    3.1.1. New Item
    o IS-IS Cryptographic Authentication (Informational)
    <draft-ietf-isis-hmac-04.txt>
    Token: Zinin, Alex
    Note: Responsible: Author
    Approved.
    Secretariat to send Document Action Announcement.

    o Multicast Source Discovery Protocol (MSDP) (Experimental)
    <draft-ietf-msdp-spec-20.txt>
    Token: Zinin, Alex
    Approved pending RFC Editor's Note to be prepared by Alex Zinin.
    Secretariat to send Document Action Announcement including RFC Editor's Note.

    3.1.2. Returning Item
    NONE

    3.2. Indiviual Submissions Via AD
    3.2.1. New Item

    o Printer Finishing MIB (Informational)
    <draft-ietf-printmib-finishing-16.txt>
    Token: Freed, Ned
    Note: Four week last call requested
    Approved pending RFC Editor's Note to be prepared by Ned Freed.
    Secretariat to send Document Action Announcement including RFC Editor's Note.

    o IANA Charset MIB (Informational)
    <draft-mcdonald-iana-charset-mib-02.txt>
    Token: Freed, Ned
    Note: Four week last call requested
    Under discussion by Ted Hardie (for Michelle Cotton).
    Secretariat to put on the agenda for the next telechat on June 12, 2003,
    if not approved prior to that date.

    3.2.2. Returning Item

    o RADIUS Support For Extensible Authentication Protocol (EAP) (Informational)
    <draft-aboba-radius-rfc2869bis-22.txt>
    Token: Bush, Randy
    Approved.
    Secretariat to send Document Action Announcement.
    Randy Bush to prepare a note for the minutes regarding why this document
    is not in the Standards Track.

    NOTE: RFCs 1321 and 2104 define a cryptographic algorithms. We have agreed that
    it is okay to reference such documents. So, only the 1st and 3rd bullets
    seem relevant.

    The document draft-aboba-radius-rfc2869bis-22.txt is informational
    as opposed to standards track because

    o a standards track document may not make normative reference
    to a document at a 'lesser' status
    o draft-aboba-radius-rfc2869bis-22.txt has normative references
    to rfcs 1321 and 2104, both of which are informational
    o it also makes inescapable normative reference to
    draft-chiba-radius-dynamic-authorization-20.txt, which will
    be informational.

    3.3. Indiviual Submissions Via RFC Editor

    3.3.1. New Item
    o Developing High Quality SNMP Agents (Informational)
    <draft-aromanov-snmp-hiqa-04.txt>
    Token: Wijnen, Bert
    Note: On IESG agenda for 29 May
    The document is not in conflict with IETF work. Bert Wijnen to prepare
    a replacement message for Secretariat to send to RFC Editor.

    3.3.2 Returning Item
    NONE

    4. Working Group Actions
    4.1. WG Creation
    4.1.1. Proposed for IETF Review
    NONE

    4.1.2. Proposed for Approval
    NONE

    4.2. WG Rechartering
    4.2.1. Under evaluation for IETF Review

    o Next Steps in Signaling
    Token: Mankin, Allison
    Next Steps in Signaling (nsis)
    Allison Mankin to submit a Revised Charter to the Secretariat.
    Secretariat to send a WG Review Announcement with copy to new-work@ietf.org.

    o SIP for Instant Messaging and Presence Leveraging Extensions
    Token: Hardie, Ted
    SIP for Instant Messaging and Presence Leveraging Extensions (simple)
    Approved.
    Secretariat to send a WG Action: RECHARTER Announcement.

    4.2.2. Proposed for Approval

    o IP Telephony
    Token: Peterson, Jon
    Note: under discussion
    IP Telephony (iptel)
    Approved.
    Secretariat to send a WG Action: RECHARTER Announcement.

    5. Working Group News We Can Use
    5.1. WG Closing
    o Content Distribution Internetworking (cdi)
    Token: Hardie, Ted
    Approved.
    Ted Hardie to send a note for the minutes documenting why the IESG
    chose to close the WG while some documents are in RFC Editor's Queue. Ted to prepare
    the WG Action: WG to Conclude Announcement for the Secretariat to send.

    NOTE: Ted Hardie, Area Advisor for the CDI working group, asked that
    the IESG agree to close this group. Historically, working groups
    have not closed while they have documents active in the RFC editor's
    queue. This group does have two informational documents still
    in the that queue. Ted asked for a variance from that
    precedent in this case, as the working group has ceased to serve
    as a viable forum for discussion of these issues; any issues raised
    by the RFC editor will need to be handled by the editors. Further,
    the documents at issue are not protocol standards, as they
    provide a set of scenarios and an abstract model. The IESG agreed
    to the closure of the group, pending a note drafting the reasoning for
    this being included in the working group closure notice. Ted agreed
    to draft that note and send it to the Secretariat for the closure notice.

    Separately, the IESG agreed that a more definite set of procedures
    for working group closure is needed. Allison and Ted
    volunteered to send draft text to Harald for inclusion in his
    procedures draft.

    6. IAB News We Can Use

    7. Management Issues

    o DNP - Harald Alvestrand
    (skipped)

    o Review criteria for independent submissions - Harald Alvestrand
    (discussed)

    o Does ballot text need a change - Bert Wijnen
    (discussed)

    o PPVPN Issue - added by Alex Zinin
    (discussed)

    o IANA Matrix Data - added by Michelle Cotton
    (discussed)