Minutes interim-2004-iesg-17 2004-09-16 15:30
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Minutes of the IESG Teleconferences

    INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
    Minutes of the September 16, 2004 IESG Teleconference

    Reported by: Amy Vezza, IETF Secretariat

    ATTENDEES
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    Harald Alvestrand / Cisco
    Rob Austein / ISC (IAB Liaison)
    Steve Conte / ICANN (IANA)
    Michelle Cotton / ICANN (IANA)
    Leslie Daigle / Verisign (IAB)
    Aaron Falk / ISI (RFC Editor)
    Bill Fenner / AT&T
    Barbara Fuller / IETF Secretariat
    Scott Hollenbeck / VeriSign
    Russ Housley / Vigil Security, LLC
    David Kessens / Nokia
    Allison Mankin / Bell Labs, Lucent
    Thomas Narten / IBM
    Jon Peterson / NeuStar, Inc.
    Joyce K. Reynolds / ISI (RFC Editor)
    Dinara Suleymanova / IETF Secretariat
    Amy Vezza / IETF Secretariat
    Margaret Wasserman / ThingMagic
    Bert Wijnen / Lucent
    Alex Zinin / Alcatel

    REGRETS
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    Steve Bellovin / AT&T
    Ted Hardie / Qualcomm, Inc.

    MINUTES
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    1. Administrivia
    1.1 Approval of the Minutes

    The minutes of the September 2, 2004 Teleconference were approved.
    The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

    1.2 Documents Approved Since the September 2, 2004 IESG
    Teleconference
    1.2.1 Protocol Actions

    o draft-ietf-dhc-subscriber-id-07.txt (Proposed Standard)
    o draft-ietf-ops-rfc3291bis-06.txt (Proposed Standard)
    o draft-ietf-geopriv-pidf-lo-03.txt (Proposed Standard)

    1.2.2 Document Actions

    NONE

    1.3 Review of Action Items

    DONE:

    o David Kessens, Steve Bellovin, and Alex Zinin to discuss a charter
    for a new Operations and Management Area working group for OPSEC.
    o The Secretariat to add Aaron Falk to the iesg@ietf.org mailing list
    and to teleconference participation materials.
    o Bert Wijnen to collect IESG and IANA feedback on openBSD/carp IANA
    assignments and send the collective feedback to the IAB.
    o Ted Hardie, Bill Fenner, and Thomas Narten will draft a policy on
    "placeholder" I-Ds in reference to I-D submissions prior to IETF
    meetings, and will draft words for reminders the Secretariat sends.

    DELETED:

    NONE

    IN PROGRESS:

    o Bill Fenner to determine with WG chairs whether a liaison with OIF is
    desirable, and will inform the IAB of the decision.
    o Applications ADs to evaluate the situation with regards to MIME type
    review, and see how we can ensure the review turnaround times specified
    in the MIME registration procedures.
    o Allison Mankin and Thomas Narten to compose a message for the IESG and
    IAB related to 3GPP's Release 6 publication deadline and expedited documents.
    o Harald Alvestrand to clarify what actions are needed to enforce the new
    boilerplate. August 19, 2004 is the proposed deadline for accepting
    I-Ds with old boilerplates. All I-Ds submitted after this date require
    the use of the new boilerplate.
    o Allison Mankin will encourage Dave Meyer to go forward with his I-D on
    IETF minutes, and will suggest some IESG points for it.
    o Margaret Wasserman to take the lead in drafting a description of the
    positions to be filled by the NomCom. Allison Mankin, Thomas Narten, and
    Alex Zinin will do an initial review; the document should be ready to be
    reviewed by the IESG before the next teleconference (09/02/2004).

    NEW:

    o Ted Hardie, Thomas Narten, and Bill Fenner will send the statement on
    "placeholder I-Ds" to the WG Chairs list for a quick review and then the
    IESG will send it out to the IETF community as an "IESG Statement."
    o Harald Alvestrand to suggest modified text for the standard "no problem"
    message to the RFC Editor that includes a pointer to the comments in the
    I-D Tracker.

    1.4 Review of Projects

    2. Protocol Actions
    2.1 WG Submissions
    2.1.1 New Item
    o draft-ietf-ipv6-router-selection-05.txt - 1 of 6
    Default Router Preferences and More-Specific Routes (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Margaret Wasserman

    The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
    points raised by Steve Bellovin, Bill Fenner, Bert Wijnen, and Alex Zinin.*

    o draft-ietf-grow-collection-communities-04.txt - 2 of 6
    BGP Communities for Data Collection (BCP)
    Token: David Kessens

    The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
    points raised by Harald Alvestrand, Bill Fenner, and Alex Zinin.*

    o draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-egress-control-03.txt - 3 of 6
    GMPLS Signaling Procedure For Egress Control (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Alex Zinin

    The document was approved by the IESG pending an RFC Editor Note to
    be prepared by Alex Zinin. The Secretariat will send a working group
    submission Protocol Action Announcement that includes the RFC Editor
    Note.

    o draft-ietf-grow-embed-addr-03.txt - 4 of 6
    Embedding Globally Routable Internet Addresses Considered Harmful (BCP)
    Token: David Kessens

    The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
    points raised by Ted Hardie, Russ Housley, Thomas Narten, and Margaret
    Wasserman.*

    o draft-ietf-avt-rtp-dsr-codecs-03.txt - 5 of 6
    RTP Payload Formats for European Telecommunications Standardsv Institute
    (ETSI) European Standard ES 202 050, ES 202 211, and ES 202 212 Distributed
    Speech Recognition Encoding (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Allison Mankin

    The document was approved by the IESG pending an RFC Editor Note to
    be prepared by Allison Mankin. The Secretariat will send a working group
    submission Protocol Action Announcement that includes the RFC Editor Note.

    o draft-ietf-ipr-subm-rights-fix-00.txt - 6 of 6
    IETF Rights in Contributions (BCP)
    Token: Harald Alvestrand

    The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
    points raised by Harald Alvestrand.*

    2.1.2 Returning Item

    o draft-ietf-dhc-agentopt-radius-08.txt - 1 of 7
    RADIUS Attributes Sub-option for the DHCP Relay Agent Information Option
    (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Margaret Wasserman

    The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
    points raised by Ted Hardie.*

    o draft-ietf-sigtran-m2pa-12.txt - 2 of 7
    Signaling System 7 (SS7) Message Transfer Part 2 (MTP2) - User Peer-to-Peer
    Adaptation Layer (M2PA) (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Jon Peterson

    The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
    points raised by Steve Bellovin.*

    o Four-document ballot: - 3 of 7
    - draft-ietf-tewg-diff-te-mam-03.txt
    Maximum Allocation Bandwidth Constraints Model for Diff-Serv-aware
    MPLS Traffic Engineering (Experimental)
    - draft-ietf-tewg-diff-te-mar-04.txt
    Max Allocation with Reservation Bandwidth Constraint Model for MPLS/DiffServ
    TE & Performance Comparisons (Experimental)
    - draft-ietf-tewg-diff-te-proto-07.txt
    Protocol extensions for support of Differentiated-Service-aware
    MPLS Traffic Engineering (Proposed Standard)
    - draft-ietf-tewg-diff-te-russian-06.txt
    Russian Dolls Bandwidth Constraints Model for Diff-Serv-aware MPLS Traffic
    Engineering (Experimental)
    Token: Bert Wijnen

    The documents remain under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
    points raised by Scott Hollenbeck, Allison Mankin, Thomas Narten, and
    Alex Zinin.*

    o draft-ietf-ipsec-ikev2-15.txt - 4 of 7
    Internet Key Exchange (IKEv2) Protocol (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Russ Housley

    The document was approved by the IESG pending an RFC Editor Note to
    be prepared by Russ Housley. The Secretariat will send a working group
    submission Protocol Action Announcement that includes the RFC Editor Note.

    o draft-ietf-dhc-auth-suboption-05.txt - 5 of 7
    The Authentication Suboption for the DHCP Relay Agent Option (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Margaret Wasserman

    The document was approved by the IESG. The Secretariat will send a
    working group submission Protocol Action Announcement.

    o draft-ietf-opes-ocp-core-05.txt - 6 of 7
    OPES Callout Protocol Core (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Ted Hardie

    The document was approved by the IESG pending an RFC Editor Note to
    be prepared by Ted Hardie. The Secretariat will send a working group
    submission Protocol Action Announcement that includes the RFC Editor Note.

    o draft-ietf-v6ops-mech-v2-06.txt - 7 of 7
    Basic Transition Mechanisms for IPv6 Hosts and Routers (Proposed Standard)
    Token: David Kessens

    The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
    points raised by Steve Bellovin.*

    2.2 Individual Submissions
    2.2.1 New Item
    NONE

    2.2.2 Returning Item
    NONE

    3. Document Actions
    3.1 WG Submissions
    3.1.1 New Item

    o draft-ietf-mipshop-fast-mipv6-02.txt - 1 of 5
    Fast Handovers for Mobile IPv6 (Experimental)
    Token: Thomas Narten

    The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
    points raised by Russ Housley.*

    o draft-ietf-mipshop-hmipv6-02.txt - 2 of 5
    Hierarchical Mobile IPv6 mobility management (HMIPv6) (Experimental)
    Token: Thomas Narten

    The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
    points raised by Steve Bellovin and Russ Housley.*

    o draft-ietf-tewg-interarea-mpls-te-req-02.txt - 3 of 5
    Requirements for Inter-area MPLS Traffic Engineering (Informational)
    Token: Bert Wijnen

    The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
    points raised by Allison Mankin.*

    o draft-ietf-avt-hc-mpls-reqs-03.txt - 4 of 5
    Requirements for Header Compression over MPLS (Informational)
    Token: Allison Mankin

    The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
    points raised by Alex Zinin.*

    o draft-ietf-smime-examples-15.txt - 5 of 5
    Examples of S/MIME Messages (Informational)
    Token: Russ Housley

    The document was approved by the IESG. The Secretariat will send
    a working group submission Document Action Announcement.

    3.1.2 Returning Item

    o draft-pillay-esnault-ospf-flooding-07.txt - 1 of 2
    OSPF Refresh and Flooding Reduction in Stable Topologies (Informational)
    Token: Bill Fenner

    The document was approved by the IESG. The Secretariat will send
    a working group submission Document Action Announcement.

    o draft-ietf-mboned-mroutesec-03.txt - 2 of 2
    PIM-SM Multicast Routing Security Issues and Enhancements (Informational)
    Token: David Kessens

    The document was approved by the IESG pending an RFC Editor Note to
    be prepared by David Kessens. The Secretariat will send a working group
    submission Document Action Announcement that includes the RFC Editor Note.

    3.2 Individual Submissions Via AD
    3.2.1 New Item

    o draft-earnshaw-tv-anytime-crid-02.txt - 1 of 2
    The TV-Anytime Content Reference Identifier (CRID)Uniform Resource
    Locator (Informational)
    Token: Jon Peterson

    The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
    points raised by Steve Bellovin, Ted Hardie, and Russ Housley.*

    o draft-johnston-sip-osp-token-06.txt - 2 of 2
    Session Initiation Protocol Private Extension for an OSP Authorization
    Token (Informational)
    Token: Allison Mankin

    The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
    points raised by Steve Bellovin, Bill Fenner, and Ted Hardie.*

    3.2.2 Returning Item
    NONE

    3.3 Individual Submissions Via RFC Editor

    3.3.1 New Item
    o draft-shanmugham-mrcp-05.txt - 1 of 2
    A Media Resource Control Protocol Developed by Cisco, Nuance, and
    Speechworks. (Informational)
    Token: Jon Peterson

    The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
    points raised by Steve Bellovin and Scott Hollenbeck.*

    o draft-behringer-mpls-security-09.txt - 2 of 2
    Analysis of the Security of BGP/MPLS IP VPNs (Informational)
    Token: Alex Zinin

    The IESG has no problem with the RFC Editor publishing this document.
    The Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the RFC
    Editor that includes the standard IESG Note as well as an RFC Editor
    Note to be prepared by Alex Zinin.

    3.3.2 Returning Item
    NONE

    4. Working Group Actions
    4.1 WG Creation
    4.1.1 Proposed for IETF Review

    o Operational Security Capabilities for IP Network Infrastructure (opsec) - 1 of 2
    Token: David Kessens

    The IESG approved the draft WG charter for IETF review. The
    Secretariat will send a WG Review announcement, with a separate message to
    />new-work@ietf.org. The Secretariat will place the WG on the agenda for
    the next IESG teleconference (09/27/2004).

    o Behavior Engineering for Hindrance Avoidance (behave) - 2 of 2
    Token: Jon Peterson

    The IESG approved the draft WG charter for IETF review. The
    Secretariat will send a WG Review announcement, with a separate message to
    />new-work@ietf.org. The Secretariat will place the WG on the agenda for
    the next IESG teleconference (09/27/2004).

    4.1.2 Proposed for Approval

    o Integrated Security Model for SNMP (isms) - 1 of 1
    Token: Steve Bellovin

    The IESG approved the charter for the new working group. The
    Secretariat will send a WG Action announcement.

    4.2 WG Rechartering
    4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF Review
    o Ethernet Interfaces and Hub MIB (hubmib) - 1 of 1
    Token: Bert Wijnen

    The IESG approved the updated charter for the working group.
    The Secretariat will send a WG Action: RECHARTER announcement.

    4.2.2 Proposed for Approval
    NONE

    5. Working Group News We Can Use

    6. IAB News We Can Use

    7. Management Issues

    7.1 Policy for draft cutoff (Ted Hardie, Thomas Narten, Bill Fenner)

    The management issue was discussed.
    Action item: Ted Hardie, Thomas Narten, and Bill Fenner will send the
    statement on "placeholder I-Ds" to the WG Chairs list for a quick review
    and then the IESG will send it out to the IETF community as an "IESG
    Statement."

    7.2 Experimental Proposal for Black Team/White Team review (Ted Hardie,
    Jon Peterson)

    The management issue was discussed. The IESG decided that the text for
    the proposal for the Black Team/White Team experiment needed some
    revision before implementation.

    7.3 Preparation timeline for the 9/27/2004 IESG Teleconference (Amy Vezza)

    The management issue was discussed.

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