Minutes interim-2019-iesg-01 2019-01-10 15:00
minutes-interim-2019-iesg-01-201901101500-00

INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the January 10, 2019 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Cindy Morgan, IETF Secretariat

ATTENDEES 
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Ignas Bagdonas (Equinix) /  Operations and Management Area
Deborah Brungard (AT&T) / Routing Area
Ben Campbell (Oracle) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Alissa Cooper (Cisco) / IETF Chair, General Area
Michelle Cotton (ICANN) / IANA Liaison 
Spencer Dawkins (Wonder Hamster Internetworking) / Transport Area
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat, Narrative Scribe
Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison 
Ted Hardie (Google) / IAB Chair
Benjamin Kaduk (Akamai Technologies) / Security Area
Suresh Krishnan (Kaloom) / Internet Area
Mirja Kuehlewind (ETH Zurich) / Transport Area
Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area
Terry Manderson (ICANN) / Internet Area
Alexey Melnikov / Applications and Real-Time Area
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Alexa Morris (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Eric Rescorla (Mozilla) / Security Area
Alvaro Retana (Huawei) / Routing Area
Adam Roach (Mozilla) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Jeff Tantsura (Apstra) / IAB Liaison 
Martin Vigoureux (Nokia) / Routing Area
Amy Vezza (AMS) / IETF Secretariat

REGRETS 
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Heather Flanagan / RFC Series Editor
Portia Wenze-Danley (ISOC) / Interim LLC Executive Director

OBSERVERS
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Marie-Jose Montpetit

MINUTES 
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1. Administrivia 
1.1 Approval of the Minutes

The minutes of the December 20, 2018 Teleconference were approved. The 
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the December 20, 2018 Teleconference were 
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

1.2 Documents Approved since the December 20, 2018 IESG Teleconference 
1.2.1 Protocol Actions
  o draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-capture-format-10  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-dhc-dhcp4o6-saddr-opt-08  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-bfd-multipoint-active-tail-10  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-bfd-multipoint-19  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-regext-org-ext-11  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-regext-org-12  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis-27  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp-18  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-acme-acme-18  (Proposed Standard)
    
1.2.2 Document Actions
  o draft-ietf-tcpinc-tcpcrypt-15  (Experimental)
  o draft-ietf-httpbis-expect-ct-08  (Experimental)

1.3 Review of Action Items

DONE:
  o Alvaro Retana to follow up on discussion at IETF 103 about putting 
    major discussion points and decisions in the IESG Wiki.
  o Alvaro Retana to follow up on how to document decisions made during 
    face-to-face IESG conversations.
  o Alissa Cooper to follow up with Michelle Cotton and Barry Leiba to 
    update RFC 8126 to detail what information should be included in the 
    IANA Registry.
  o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-acme-acme 
    [IANA #1133797].

IN PROGRESS:
  o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC 8411 [IANA 
    #1120853].
  o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC 6509 
    (mikey-payloads) [IANA #1121057].
  o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC 6043
    (mikey-payloads) [IANA #1121239].
  o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC 6267
    (mikey-payloads) [IANA #1121240].
  o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC 6309
    (mikey-payloads) [IANA #1121241].
  o Alissa Cooper to draft text informing the community about the 
    ongoing discussion with the WG chairs about community relations, 
    including information about what avenues are open to community 
    members for escalating issues.
  o Alvaro Retana to send email to the IESG with proposed re-labeling of 
    scheduling conflicts.
  o Alexey Melnikov to find designated experts experts for RFC 5435 
    [IANA #1132764].
  o Benjamin Kaduk to find designated experts for RFC 6844 [IANA 
    #1133642].
  o Warren Kumari to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf
    [IANA #1133794].
  o Warren Kumari to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-dnsop-session-
    signal [IANA #1133795].
  o Warren Kumari to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-dnsop-dns-
    capture-format [IANA #1133796].

NEW:
  o Suresh Krishnan to discuss naming experts for the registries created 
    by draft-irtf-icnrg-ccnxsemantics with Allison Mankin.
  o Alissa Cooper to send a message to the community about plenary 
    transcripts for the Q&A sections of the plenary (IAB, LLC Board, and 
    IESG). 

2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items 
  o draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-05  - IETF stream
    (PBB-)EVPN Seamless Integration with (PBB-)VPLS (Proposed Standard) 
    - 1 of 6
    Token: Martin Vigoureux

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Alissa Cooper.*

  o draft-ietf-bess-evpn-df-election-framework-07  - IETF stream
    Framework for EVPN Designated Forwarder Election Extensibility
    (Proposed Standard) - 2 of 6
    Token: Martin Vigoureux

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk.*

  o draft-ietf-softwire-yang-14  - IETF stream
    YANG Modules for IPv4-in-IPv6 Address plus Port (A+P) Softwires
    (Proposed Standard) - 3 of 6
    Token: Terry Manderson

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Alissa Cooper and Benjamin Kaduk.*

  o draft-ietf-extra-sieve-fcc-08  - IETF stream
    Sieve Extension: File Carbon Copy (Fcc) (Proposed Standard) - 4 of 6
    Token: Alexey Melnikov

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Ben Campbell.*

  o draft-ietf-nfsv4-mv0-trunking-update-03 - IETF stream
    NFS version 4.0 Trunking Update (Proposed Standard) - 5 of 6
    Token: Spencer Dawkins

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk.*

  o draft-ietf-extra-sieve-special-use-04  - IETF stream
    Sieve Email Filtering: Delivering to Special-Use Mailboxes
    (Proposed Standard) - 6 of 6
    Token: Alexey Melnikov

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Alexey Melnikov. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Protocol Action Announcement.

2.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items  
  o draft-arkko-trip-registry-update-01 - IETF stream
    Update to the TRIP IANA Registry Rules Regarding Postal Addresses
    (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 1
    Token: Ben Campbell

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Alexey Melnikov.*

2.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items
  NONE

2.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items  
  o draft-ietf-rtgwg-spf-uloop-pb-statement-09  - IETF stream
    Link State protocols SPF trigger and delay algorithm impact on IGP
    micro-loops (Informational) - 1 of 2
    Token: Martin Vigoureux

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Document Action 
Announcement once Martin Vigoureux confirms that the announcement is 
ready to be sent.

  o draft-ietf-v6ops-transition-ipv4aas-13  - IETF stream
    Requirements for IPv6 Customer Edge Routers to Support IPv4
    Connectivity as-a-Service (Informational) - 2 of 2
    Token: Warren Kumari

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Alissa Cooper, Benjamin Kaduk, and Suresh Krishnan.*

3.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items
  NONE

3.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items
  NONE

3.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items
  o conflict-review-irtf-icnrg-ccnxmessages-00
    IETF conflict review for draft-irtf-icnrg-ccnxmessages
      draft-irtf-icnrg-ccnxmessages-08
      CCNx Messages in TLV Format (IRTF: Experimental) - 1 of 4
    Token: Suresh Krishnan

The IESG has no problem with the IRTF publishing this document. The 
Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the IRSG that 
includes a conflict review response prepared by Suresh Krishnan.

  o conflict-review-irtf-icnrg-ccnxsemantics-00
    IETF conflict review for draft-irtf-icnrg-ccnxsemantics
      draft-irtf-icnrg-ccnxsemantics-09
      CCNx Semantics (IRTF: Experimental) - 2 of 4
    Token: Suresh Krishnan

The IESG has no problem with the IRTF publishing this document. The 
Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the IRSG that 
includes a conflict review response prepared by Suresh Krishnan.

Action item: Suresh Krishnan to discuss naming experts for the 
registries created by draft-irtf-icnrg-ccnxsemantics with Allison 
Mankin.

  o conflict-review-irtf-cfrg-gcmsiv-01
    IETF conflict review for draft-irtf-cfrg-gcmsiv
      draft-irtf-cfrg-gcmsiv-09
      AES-GCM-SIV: Nonce Misuse-Resistant Authenticated Encryption
    (IRTF: Informational) - 3 of 4
    Token: Eric Rescorla

Alexey Melnikov formally recused himself from the discussion. The IESG 
has no problem with the IRTF publishing this document. The Secretariat 
will send a standard "no problem" message to the IRSG that includes a 
conflict review response prepared by Eric Rescorla.

  o conflict-review-mcgrew-hash-sigs-00
    IETF conflict review for draft-mcgrew-hash-sigs
      draft-mcgrew-hash-sigs-15
      Hash-Based Signatures (IRTF: Informational) - 4 of 4
    Token: Eric Rescorla

Alexey Melnikov formally recused himself from the discussion. The IESG 
has no problem with the IRTF publishing this document. The Secretariat 
will send a standard "no problem" message to the IRSG that includes a 
conflict review response prepared by Eric Rescorla.

3.4.2 Returning items
  NONE

4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review
  NONE

4.1.2 Proposed for approval
  NONE

4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review
  NONE

4.2.2 Proposed for approval
  NONE

5. IAB news we can use

6. Management issues

6.1 [IANA #1132764] Designated experts for RFC 5435 (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. An action item to find designated 
experts for RFC 5435 was assigned to Alexey Melnikov prior to the start 
of the teleconference.

6.2 Plenary Transcripts (Alissa Cooper)

The management issue was discussed. 

Action item: Alissa Cooper to send a message to the community about 
plenary transcripts for the Q&A sections of the plenary (IAB, LLC Board, 
and IESG). 

6.3 [IANA #1133642] Designated experts for RFC 6844 (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. An action item to find designated 
experts for RFC 6844 was assigned to Benjamin Kaduk prior to the start 
of the teleconference.

6.4 [IANA #1133794] Designated experts for RFC-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf 
    (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. An action item to find designated 
experts for RFC-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf was assigned to Warren Kumari prior 
to the start of the teleconference.

6.5 [IANA #1133795] Designated experts for RFC-ietf-dnsop-session-signal 
    (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. An action item to find designated 
experts for RFC-ietf-dnsop-session-signal was assigned to Warren Kumari 
prior to the start of the teleconference.

6.6 [IANA #1133796] Designated experts for RFC-ietf-dnsop-dns-capture-
    format (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. An action item to find designated 
experts for RFC-ietf-dnsop-dns-capture-format was assigned to Warren 
Kumari prior to the start of the teleconference.

6.7 [IANA #1133797] Designated experts for RFC-ietf-acme-acme (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Richard Barnes 
<rlb@ipv.sx> as the designated expert for RFC-ietf-acme-acme.

6.8 Common List of Nominees (Alvaro Retana)

The management issue was discussed.

6.9 IANA Registry created by draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf (Benjamin Kaduk)

The management issue was discussed.


7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.)

8. Tools Team Report -- 28 December 2018

1. Datatracker Projects
  - The merge plan was recently updated.
    -- See http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/MergePlan
    -- One thing to highlight is the recent addition of commands that
       will make it easier to load some portions of the database from a
       backup copy.  These commands will make it easier to recover in
       the future from "over-eager" record deletion.
  - More that 1100 old RFCs show no authors in the Datatracker.  This
    situation is because Datatracker is managing workflow, not trying
    to provide history from the beginning of time.  For RFCs prior to
    about RFC 3000, the data is from scraping the RFC files, which are
    in mant different formats.  Manual clean up would requires a good
    bit of time, and there are several cases where there is no right
    answer, such as RFC 2134 and RFC 2319.  This leads to inaccurate
    statistics being displayed by the Datatracker.  As a result, a
    disclaimer will be added to the statistics pages, such as
    https://datatracker.ietf.org/stats/document/authors/?type=rfc.

2. Community & Other Projects
  - The Tools Team is working to discontinue MHonArc email archives.
    This will allow all of the mail-related tools to work from one
    copy of the archives in maildir format.  Mail list discussion on
    the removal of the MHonArc email archives raised three points:
    -- The mailarch application serves the plaintext version of a
       multipart MIME messages; sometimes the HTML version is more
       useful, but it can also be an attack vector.
    -- The obsolete IE8 browser is not displaying mail archive
       content well.
    -- The mail archive tool allows export of selected messages in
       either maildir or mbox format after login.  The login is
       required because multiple anonymous large exports creates a
       performance degradation.  It might be possible to allow
       export of a small number of messages without being login in
       the future.

3. RFC Services Projects
  - RFC Format contracts are on schedule:
    -- IDnits
    -- Publication Formatter
    -- Text Submission
    -- RFClint
    -- SVGcheck
    -- XMLdiff
  - These are all on schedule for initial versions by the end of 2018.

4. Server Infrastructure
  - The custom DMARC-handling software was deployed for all mail lists
    in June 2018, but there is a desire to move away from the custom
    software to ARC.  The ARC software cannot be configured to handle
    just a few of our mail lists.  Requirements were provided to the
    ARC developers, but so far, they have not offered a release date.
    Alexey offered to help get a response from the developers.

5. YANG Catalog
  - Planning for the operation of the yangcatalog.org to be transferred
    to the IETF Secretariat is underway.  Money for the transition is
    part of the IETF LLC budget for 2019.  The current expectation is
    that will happen shortly after the new year.
    -- The open source code for yangcatalog.com uses the Apache 2.0
       License.  All other projects use the  Simplified BSD License.
       The IETF Trust is willing to proceed with this project under the
       Apache 2.0 License.
    -- The registration for yangcatalog.com needs to be transferred to
       the IETF Trust before the site can move to a tools-team-driven
       maintenance model.
    -- Requirements for new features are being gathered.  This will
       lead to a small project in early 2019.

6. Other Business
  - The IMAP server code that is provided by ISODE does not handle
    changed usernames well.  A new release fixes this issue, and it
    was tested by the Secretariat.  The update was installed prior to 
    the holiday break.  The bug was fixed, and the person reporting the 
    bug has confirmed that it is working properly for them.
  - A draft Statement of Work for enhancements to the Datatracker
    meeting scheduling tools is being developed.  We expect to put it
    out for bids in early 2019.
  - We are preparing the RFC Production Center code for publication as
    open source.  Robert is writing a draft of Statement of Work for a
    security review of these tools in preparation for them becoming
    public.


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for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.