Minutes interim-2019-iesg-02 2019-01-24 15:00
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INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the January 24, 2019 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Cindy Morgan, IETF Secretariat

ATTENDEES 
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Ignas Bagdonas (Equinix) /  Operations and Management Area
Deborah Brungard (AT&T) / Routing Area
Ben Campbell (Oracle) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Alissa Cooper (Cisco) / IETF Chair, General Area
Michelle Cotton (ICANN) / IANA Liaison 
Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / Incoming Security Area
Spencer Dawkins (Wonder Hamster Internetworking) / Transport Area
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat, Narrative Scribe
Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison 
Ted Hardie (Google) / IAB Chair
Benjamin Kaduk (Akamai Technologies) / Security Area
Suresh Krishnan (Kaloom) / Internet Area
Mirja Kuehlewind (ETH Zurich) / Transport Area
Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area
Barry Leiba (Huawei) / Incoming Applications and Real-Time Area
Terry Manderson (ICANN) / Internet Area
Alexey Melnikov / Applications and Real-Time Area
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Alexa Morris (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Eric Rescorla (Mozilla) / Security Area
Adam Roach (Mozilla) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Jeff Tantsura (Apstra) / IAB Liaison 
Martin Vigoureux (Nokia) / Routing Area
Amy Vezza (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Magnus Westerlund (Ericsson) / Incoming Transport Area

REGRETS 
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Heather Flanagan / RFC Series Editor
Alvaro Retana (Huawei) / Routing Area
Eric Vyncke (Cisco) / Incoming Internet Area
Portia Wenze-Danley (ISOC) / Interim LLC Executive Director

OBSERVERS
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Luigi Iannone
Marie-Jose Montpetit
Greg Wood

MINUTES 
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1. Administrivia 
1.1 Approval of the Minutes

The minutes of the January 10, 2019 Teleconference were approved. The 
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the January 10, 2019 Teleconference were 
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

1.2 Documents Approved since the January 10, 2019 IESG Teleconference 

1.2.1 Protocol Actions
  o draft-ietf-radext-coa-proxy-10  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-netconf-zerotouch-29  (Proposed Standard)

1.2.2 Document Actions
  o NONE

1.3 Review of Action Items

DONE:
  o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC 8411 [IANA 
    #1120853].
  o Alissa Cooper to draft text informing the community about the 
    ongoing discussion with the WG chairs about community relations, 
    including information about what avenues are open to community 
    members for escalating issues.
  o Alexey Melnikov to find designated experts experts for RFC 5435 
    [IANA #1132764].
  o Benjamin Kaduk to find designated experts for RFC 6844 [IANA 
    #1133642].
  o Warren Kumari to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf
    [IANA #1133794].
  o Warren Kumari to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-dnsop-session-
    signal [IANA #1133795].
  o Warren Kumari to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-dnsop-dns-
    capture-format [IANA #1133796].
  o Spencer Dawkins to discuss changes to the HotRFC sessions with Aaron 
    Falk and implement with the Secretariat.

IN PROGRESS:
  o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC 6509 
    (mikey-payloads) [IANA #1121057].
  o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC 6043
    (mikey-payloads) [IANA #1121239].
  o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC 6267
    (mikey-payloads) [IANA #1121240].
  o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC 6309
    (mikey-payloads) [IANA #1121241].
  o Alvaro Retana to send email to the IESG with proposed re-labeling of 
    scheduling conflicts.
  o Suresh Krishnan to discuss naming experts for the registries created 
    by draft-irtf-icnrg-ccnxsemantics with Allison Mankin.
  o Alissa Cooper to send a message to the community about plenary 
    transcripts for the Q&A sections of the plenary (IAB, LLC Board, and 
    IESG). 
  o Ben Campbell to write up text on the IESG's expectations regarding 
    conflicts of interest and the disclosure of funding sources.
  o Ben Campbell to send the email on what updates means to the IETF 
    Community. 
  o Warren Kumari and Spencer Dawkins to develop the spherical routing 
    topic. 

NEW:
  o Deborah Brungard to summarize the discussion with the WG chairs on 
    community relations and escalating issues.

2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items 
  o draft-ietf-dime-doic-rate-control-10  - IETF stream
    Diameter Overload Rate Control (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 4
    Token: Ben Campbell

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action 
Announcement once Ben Campbell confirms that the announcement is ready 
to be sent.

  o draft-ietf-mile-xmpp-grid-09  - IETF stream
    Using XMPP for Security Information Exchange (Proposed Standard) - 2 
    of 4
    Token: Alexey Melnikov

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Ben Campbell, Benjamin Kaduk, and Eric Rescorla.*

  o draft-ietf-sidrops-rtr-keying-03  - IETF stream
    Router Keying for BGPsec (Proposed Standard) - 3 of 4
    Token: Warren Kumari

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Alissa Cooper and Eric Rescorla.*

  o draft-ietf-lisp-rfc8113bis-02  - IETF stream
    Locator/ID Separation Protocol (LISP): Shared Extension Message &
    IANA Registry for Packet Type Allocations (Proposed Standard) - 4 of 
    4
    Token: Deborah Brungard

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Deborah Brungard. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Protocol Action Announcement.

2.1.2 Returning items    
  o draft-ietf-dmarc-rfc7601bis-05  - IETF stream
    Message Header Field for Indicating Message Authentication Status
    (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 1
    Token: Alexey Melnikov

The document was approved by the IESG. The Secretariat will send a 
working group submission Protocol Action Announcement.

2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items
  NONE

2.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items
  NONE

2.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items
  NONE

3.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items
  NONE

3.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items
  NONE

3.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items
  NONE

3.4.2 Returning items
  NONE

4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review
  o GitHub Integration and Tooling (git) - 1 of 1
    Area: GEN (Alissa Cooper)

The IESG approved the draft WG charter for IETF review pending edits to 
be provided by Alissa Cooper. The Secretariat will send a WG Review 
announcement, with a separate message to new-work@ietf.org. The 
Secretariat will place the WG on the agenda for the next IESG 
Teleconference (February 7, 2019).

4.1.2 Proposed for approval
  NONE

4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review
  NONE

4.2.2 Proposed for approval
  NONE

5. IAB news we can use

6. Management issues

6.1 Designated experts for RFC 5435 [IANA #1132764] (Alexey Melnikov)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Barry Leiba 
<barryleiba@computer.org> and Alexey Melnikov <aamelnikov@fastmail.fm> 
as the designated experts for RFC 5435.

6.2 Continuing Agenda Experimentation (Liz Flynn)

The management issue was discussed.

6.3 Designated Experts for DNSOP Documents (Warren Kumari)

The management issue was discussed. 

The IESG approved Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> and Frederico A C 
Neves <fneves@registro.brfneves@registro.br> as the designated experts 
for RFC-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf [IANA #1133794].

The IESG approved Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>, Sara Dickinson 
<sara@sinodun.com>, and John Dickinson <jad@sinodun.com> as the 
designated experts for RFC-ietf-dnsop-session-signal [IANA #1133795].

The IESG approved Jim Hague <jim@sinodun.com>, Sara Dickinson 
<sara@sinodun.com>, and John Dickinson <jad@sinodun.com> as the 
designated experts for RFC-ietf-dnsop-dns-capture-format [IANA 
#1133796].

6.4 Executive Session: LLC Board Slate Confirmation (Adam Roach)

The management issue was discussed.

6.5 [IANA #1130107] Approve two requests for ifType name in draft-ietf-
    ccamp-mw-yang (Deborah Brungard)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved the two requests 
for ifType names in draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-yang.

6.6 Designated Expert for RFC 6844 registry (Benjamin Kaduk)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Phillip Hallam-
Baker <phill@hallambaker.com> as the designated expert for RFC 6844 
[IANA #1133642].

6.7 ETSI Liaison Response (Eric Rescorla)

The management issue was discussed. 

6.8 Designated Expert for RFC 8411 (Eric Rescorla)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Jim Schaad 
<ietf@augustcellars.com> as the designated expert for RFC 8411.

7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.)

8. Tools Team Report -- 18 January 2019

1. Datatracker Projects
  - The merge plan was recently updated.
    -- See http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/MergePlan
    -- One thing to highlight is that we will be generating bibxml in
       the datatracker in order to move away from the TCL code that is
       getting very difficult to maintain.
    -- Another thing to highlight is that we need to move away from
       Bower since it is no longer being maintained.
  - A Statement of Work for enhancements to the Datatracker meeting
    scheduling tool is being developed.  We expect to put it out for
    bids in early 2019.
  - More that 1100 old RFCs show no authors in the Datatracker.  This
    situation is because Datatracker is managing workflow, not trying
    to provide history from the beginning of time.  The Tools Team
    talked about ways to crowd source this information, but the tooling
    to allow people with Datatracker accounts enter the author data is
    likely to be too much work.  It is more effort than a Codesprint.
    As a result, a disclaimer will be added to statistics pages, like:
    https://datatracker.ietf.org/stats/document/authors/?type=rfc.

2. Community & Other Projects
  - The Tools Team is working to discontinue MHonArc email archives.
    This allows all of the mail-related tools to work from one copy of
    the archives in maildir format.  The MHonArc archives were turned
    off on Monday, 14 January 2019, and there was little fuss from the
    community.

3. RFC Services Projects
  - We have received all six of the RFC Format deliverables (IDnits,
    Publication Formatter, Text Submission, RFClint, SVGcheck, and
    XMLdiff).  Testing is underway by the RFC Production Center.  A
    few additions are being made to IDnits under warranty.  Since the
    RFC Production Center does not use IDnits, these additions are not
    impacting the test schedule.
  - The Tools Team is working on a Statement of Work for the security
    review of tools used by the RFC Production Center.  This review is
    an important step toward making these tools open source.
  - The Tools Team is working on a Statement of Work for rendering of
    errata in a more useful way.  Some prototype efforts are informing
    this work.

4. Server Infrastructure
  - The custom DMARC-handling software was deployed for all mail lists
    in June 2018, but there is a desire to move away from the custom
    software to ARC.  The ARC software cannot be configured to handle
    just a few of our mail lists.  Requirements were provided to the
    ARC developers, but so far, they have not offered a release date.
    Alexey trying to help us get a response from the ARC developers.

5. YANG Catalog
  - Planning for the operation of the yangcatalog.org to be transferred
    to the IETF Secretariat is underway.  The Tools Team is working on
    a Statement of Work to assist with the transition and add features
    based on the yandvalidator open source.
    -- The registration for yangcatalog.com needs to be transferred to
       the IETF Trust before the site can move to a Tools-Team-driven
       maintenance model.

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* Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/) 
for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.