Minutes interim-2019-iesg-08 2019-04-11 14:00
minutes-interim-2019-iesg-08-201904111400-00

INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the April 11, 2019 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Cindy Morgan, IETF Secretariat

ATTENDEES 
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Ignas Bagdonas (Equinix) /  Operations and Management Area
Deborah Brungard (AT&T) / Routing Area
Alissa Cooper (Cisco) / IETF Chair, General Area
Michelle Cotton (ICANN) / IANA Liaison 
Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / Security Area
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat, Narrative Scribe
Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison 
Wes Hardaker (USC/ISI) / IAB Liaison
Ted Hardie (Google) / IAB Chair
Benjamin Kaduk (Akamai Technologies) / Security Area
Suresh Krishnan (Kaloom) / Internet Area
Mirja Kuehlewind (Ericsson) / Transport Area
Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area
Barry Leiba (Huawei) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Alexey Melnikov / Applications and Real-Time Area
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Alexa Morris (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Alvaro Retana (Huawei) / Routing Area
Adam Roach (Mozilla) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Martin Vigoureux (Nokia) / Routing Area
Amy Vezza (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Eric Vyncke (Cisco) / Internet Area
Magnus Westerlund (Ericsson) / Transport Area

REGRETS 
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Heather Flanagan / RFC Series Editor
Portia Wenze-Danley (ISOC) / Interim LLC Executive Director

OBSERVERS
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Joe Hall
Jason Livingood
Greg Wood


MINUTES 
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1. Administrivia 
1.1 Approval of the Minutes

The minutes of the March 14, 2019 Teleconference were approved. The 
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the March 14, 2019 Teleconference were 
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

1.2 Documents Approved since the March 14, 2019 IESG Teleconference 

1.2.1 Protocol Actions
  o draft-ietf-mile-xmpp-grid-11  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-oauth-device-flow-15  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-nottingham-rfc5785bis-11  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-sipcore-sip-push-29  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-arkko-trip-registry-update-01  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-cbor-cddl-08  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-stir-passport-shaken-08  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-sipcore-reason-q850-loc-07  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-jmap-core-17  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-tram-stunbis-21  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-ipsecme-split-dns-17  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-payload-flexible-fec-scheme-19  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-pce-wson-rwa-ext-17  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-core-object-security-16  (Proposed Standard)

1.2.2 Document Actions
  o draft-ietf-dots-requirements-22  (Informational)
  o draft-ietf-calext-caldav-attachments-04  (Informational)
  o draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-encapsulation-04  (Informational)
  o draft-ietf-hip-rfc4423-bis-20  (Informational)

1.3 Review of Action Items

DONE:
  o Alvaro Retana to send email to the IESG with proposed re-labeling of 
    scheduling conflicts.
  o Suresh Krishnan to draft a new proposed IESG Statement on the 
    procedure to reference material behind a paywall, that includes the 
    existing text and adds comments from the discussion, Eric Rescorla, 
    and Barry Leiba.
  o Roman Danyliw and Barry Leiba to identify and catalogue common  
    problematic and inappropriate behaviors from individuals in the IETF 
    community both at in-person meetings and on email lists.
  o Roman Danyliw to provide an update for "IETF Notifications of 
    Emerging Work" to Greg Wood.

UPDATED: 
  o Suresh Krishnan to discuss naming experts for the registries created 
    by draft-irtf-icnrg-ccnxsemantics with Colin Perkins.
  o Barry Leiba and Ben Campbell to write up text on the IESG's 
    expectations regarding conflicts of interest and the disclosure of 
    funding sources.
  o Benjamin Kaduk to identify designated experts for RFC 5580 [IANA 
    #1139586].

REMOVED: 
  o Suresh Krishnan to report on the progress of the response to the 
    Liaison Statement on "Request to update the IoT and SC&C Standards 
    Roadmap and the list of contact points."
  o Alissa Cooper to work on a response plan for the Liaison Statement 
    "LS on RoHC utilization for Ethernet header compression."

IN PROGRESS:
  o Alissa to draft a revision to the Meeting Room Policy and 
    communicate it to the LLC Board.

NEW:
  o Barry Leiba and Roman Danyliw to summarize the discussion on common 
    problematic behaviors.
  o Suresh Krishnan to follow up on proposed IESG Statement on the 
    procedure to reference material behind a paywall.

2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items 
  o draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls-19  - IETF stream
    Segment Routing with MPLS data plane (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 16
    Token: Martin Vigoureux

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk and Alvaro Retana.*

  o draft-ietf-manet-dlep-pause-extension-06  - IETF stream
    DLEP Control Plane Based Pause Extension (Proposed Standard) - 2 of 
    16
    Token: Alvaro Retana

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Alissa Cooper, Roman Danyliw, Benjamin Kaduk, Mirja 
Kuehlewind, and Magnus Westerlund.*

  o draft-ietf-mmusic-data-channel-sdpneg-25  - IETF stream
    SDP-based Data Channel Negotiation (Proposed Standard) - 3 of 16
    Token: Adam Roach

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw and Magnus Westerlund.*

  o draft-ietf-pce-gmpls-pcep-extensions-14  - IETF stream
    PCEP extensions for GMPLS (Proposed Standard) - 4 of 16
    Token: Deborah Brungard

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw, Benjamin Kaduk, and Martin Vigoureux.*

  o draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-14  - IETF stream
    Ethernet Traffic Parameters with Availability Information (Proposed
    Standard) - 5 of 16
    Token: Deborah Brungard

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk, Adam Roach, and Magnus Westerlund.*

  o draft-ietf-bess-bgp-vpls-control-flags-07  - IETF stream
    Updated processing of Control Flags for BGP VPLS (Proposed Standard) 
    - 6 of 16
    Token: Martin Vigoureux

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action 
Announcement once Martin Vigoureux confirms that the announcement is 
ready to be sent.

  o draft-ietf-extra-imap-fetch-preview-03  - IETF stream
    IMAP4 Extension: Message Preview Generation (Proposed Standard) - 7 
    of 16
    Token: Alexey Melnikov

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw and Barry Leiba.*

  o draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-08  - IETF stream
    YANG Alarm Module (Proposed Standard) - 8 of 16
    Token: Deborah Brungard

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw, Benjamin Kaduk, and Adam Roach.*

  o draft-ietf-iasa2-rfc4071bis-09  - IETF stream
    Structure of the IETF Administrative Support Activity, Version 2.0
    (Best Current Practice) - 9 of 16
    Token: Alissa Cooper

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Alissa Cooper. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Protocol Action Announcement.

  o draft-ietf-iasa2-consolidated-upd-07  - IETF stream
    Consolidated IASA 2.0 Updates of IETF Administrative Terminology
    (Best Current Practice) - 10 of 16
    Token: Alissa Cooper

The document was approved by the IESG. The Secretariat will send a 
working group submission Protocol Action Announcement.

The Secretariat will add rfc3710 (Informational - IETF stream) and 
rfc6702 (Informational - IETF stream) to the downref registry.

  o draft-ietf-dnsop-algorithm-update-09  - IETF stream
    Algorithm Implementation Requirements and Usage Guidance for DNSSEC
    (Proposed Standard) - 11 of 16
    Token: Warren Kumari

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action 
Announcement once Warren Kumari confirms that the announcement is 
ready to be sent.

  o draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-p2mp-12  - IETF stream
    Path Computation Element (PCE) Protocol Extensions for Stateful PCE
    usage for Point-to-Multipoint Traffic Engineering Label Switched
    Paths (Proposed Standard) - 12 of 16
    Token: Deborah Brungard

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw and Benjamin Kaduk.*

  o draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07  - IETF stream
    YANG Module Tags (Proposed Standard) - 13 of 16
    Token: Ignas Bagdonas

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Alissa Cooper, Benjamin Kaduk, Alexey Melnikov, and 
Adam Roach.*

  o draft-ietf-sidrops-bgpsec-algs-rfc8208-bis-04  - IETF stream
    BGPsec Algorithms, Key Formats, and Signature Formats (Proposed
    Standard) - 14 of 16
    Token: Warren Kumari

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Alexey Melnikov and Adam Roach.*

  o draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-07  - IETF stream
    Resource Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI) Trust Anchor Locator
    (Proposed Standard) - 15 of 16
    Token: Warren Kumari

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Warren Kumari. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Protocol Action Announcement.

  o draft-ietf-dmarc-eaiauth-05  - IETF stream
    E-mail Authentication for Internationalized Mail (Proposed Standard) 
    - 16 of 16
    Token: Alexey Melnikov

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk.*

2.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items
  NONE

2.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items
  NONE

2.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items   
  o draft-ietf-clue-datachannel-15  - IETF stream
    CLUE Protocol data channel (Experimental) - 1 of 1
    Token: Adam Roach

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Document Action 
Announcement once Adam Roach confirms that the announcement is ready to 
be sent.

3.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items   
  o draft-hollenbeck-vcarddav-icann-rdap-extensions-00  - IETF stream
    vCard Format Extensions: Internet Corporation for Assigned Names
    and Numbers (ICANN) Extensions for the Registration Data Access
    Protocol (RDAP) (Informational) - 1 of 1
    Token: Alexey Melnikov

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Alexey Melnikov. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Document Action Announcement.

3.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items
  NONE

3.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items

  o conflict-review-irtf-cfrg-re-keying-00
    IETF conflict review for draft-irtf-cfrg-re-keying
      draft-irtf-cfrg-re-keying-15
      Re-keying Mechanisms for Symmetric Keys (IRTF: Informational) - 1 
      of 1
    Token: Benjamin Kaduk

Alexey Melnikov formally recused himself from the discussion. The IESG 
has no problem with the IRTF publishing this document. The Secretariat 
will send a standard "no problem" message to the IRSG that includes a 
conflict review response prepared by Benjamin Kaduk.

3.4.2 Returning items
  NONE

4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review
  NONE

4.1.2 Proposed for approval
  o Relay User Machine (rum) - 1 of 1
    Area: ART (Adam Roach)

The IESG approved the charter for the new working group. The 
Secretariat will send a WG Action announcement.

4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review
  o JSON Mail Access Protocol (jmap) - 1 of 1
    Area: ART (Alexey Melnikov)

The IESG decided to proceed with IETF review of the revised charter.
The Secretariat will send a WG Review: Recharter announcement, with a 
separate message to new-work@ietf.org. The Secretariat will 
place the WG on the agenda for the next IESG teleconference (May 2, 
2019).

4.2.2 Proposed for approval
  NONE

5. IAB news we can use

6. Management issues

6.1 [IANA #1139586] Designated experts for RFC 5580 (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. An action item to find designated 
experts for RFC 5580 was assigned to Benjamin Kaduk prior to the start 
of the teleconference.

6.2 Living Documents (Alissa Cooper)

The management issue was discussed. 

6.3 IESG Retreat Agenda (Alissa Cooper)

The management issue was discussed. 

6.4 IESG Approval of the MCPTT Off-Network Protocol (MONP) port request 
    (3gpp-monp) for UDP [IANA #1127933] (Mirja Kuehlewind)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved the MCPTT
Off-Network Protocol (MONP) port request (3gpp-monp) for UDP [IANA 
#1127933].

7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.)

8. Tools Team Report -- 30 March 2019

1. Datatracker Projects
  - The merge plan was recently updated.
    -- See http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/MergePlan
    -- The way the datatracker sends email was changed so that it
       will no longer appear to be spoofing the From field.
    -- Bids for Meeting Application Improvements were received and
       evaluated.  A recommendation was provided to the Interim
       LLC Executive Director, and we believe that negotiations are
       underway.
    -- one thing to highlight is the increased the priority of the
       shift from Python 2 to Python 3. This increased priority is
       because Python 2 is being officially deprecated, and it will
       no longer receive maintenance starting January 2020.

2. Community & Other Projects
  - The Secretariat is blocked on deploying this latest website
    deliverable from Torchbox.  Currently, the IETF server uses
    Apache (mod_wsgi) for python applications, but that only allows
    one version of python.  The Datatracker and and Mail Archive use
    Python 2.7, but the current Wagtail release only supports
    Python 3.  Robert Sparks is working with the Secretariat to figure
    out a reasonable way for Python 2 and Python 3 to be used at the
    same time.  The plan is to eventually move everything to Python 3,
    but it will not happen in just a few weeks.

3. RFC Services Projects
  - Support for the v3 schema was enabled for I-D submission during
    IETF 104.  The IESG needs to make a policy decision about when I-D
    in this format can be submitted to the IESG for publication on the
    IETF stream.
  - The RFC Production Center is testing the tools related to the new
    format.  A few additions are being made to IDnits under warranty.
    Since the RFC Production Center does not use IDnits, this is not
    impacting the test schedule.
  - The Tools Team is working on a Statement of Work for the security
    review of tools used by the RFC Production Center.  The tools used
    for the new format will be reviewed since the ones related to the
    old format are about to be put in mothballs.
  - The Tools Team is working on a Statement of Work for rendering of
    errata in a more useful way.  Some prototype efforts are informing
    this work.

4. Server Infrastructure
  - The custom DMARC-handling software was deployed for all mail lists
    in June 2018, but there is a desire to move away from the custom
    software to ARC.  The ARC software cannot be configured to handle
    just a few of our mail lists.  Requirements were provided to the
    ARC developers, but so far, they have not offered a release date.
    Alexey continues to try to get a response from the ARC developers,
    but so far we are only getting silence.

5. YANG Catalog
  - Planning for the operation of the yangcatalog.org to be transferred
    to the IETF Secretariat is underway.  A few significant things to
    highlight:
    -- The YANG Catalog support contractor participated in the IETF 104
       Hackathon.
    -- The yangcatalog.org service will run on different hardware than
       ietf.org.  It will be "in the cloud."  This will allow the Tools
       Team to determine whether this is a useful management model for
       other IETF-related services.
  - The registration for yangcatalog.com needs to be transferred to the
    IETF Trust before the site can move to a Tools-Team-driven
    maintenance model.  The domain name registrar account will be
    transfered to the Secretariat in early April 2019.

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* Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/) 
for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.