Minutes interim-2019-iesg-09 2019-05-02 14:00
minutes-interim-2019-iesg-09-201905021400-00

INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the May 2, 2019 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Cindy Morgan, IETF Secretariat

ATTENDEES 
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Ignas Bagdonas (Equinix) /  Operations and Management Area
Deborah Brungard (AT&T) / Routing Area
Alissa Cooper (Cisco) / IETF Chair, General Area
Michelle Cotton (ICANN) / IANA Liaison 
Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / Security Area
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat, Narrative Scribe
Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison 
Wes Hardaker (USC/ISI) / IAB Liaison
Ted Hardie (Google) / IAB Chair
Benjamin Kaduk (Akamai Technologies) / Security Area
Suresh Krishnan (Kaloom) / Internet Area
Mirja Kuehlewind (Ericsson) / Transport Area
Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area
Barry Leiba (Huawei) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Alexey Melnikov / Applications and Real-Time Area
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Alvaro Retana (Huawei) / Routing Area
Adam Roach (Mozilla) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Martin Vigoureux (Nokia) / Routing Area
Amy Vezza (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Eric Vyncke (Cisco) / Internet Area
Magnus Westerlund (Ericsson) / Transport Area

REGRETS 
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Heather Flanagan / RFC Series Editor
Portia Wenze-Danley (ISOC) / Interim LLC Executive Director

OBSERVERS
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Andre Cedik
Greg Wood


MINUTES 
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1. Administrivia 
1.1 Approval of the Minutes

The minutes of the April 11, 2019 Teleconference were approved. The 
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the April 11, 2019 Teleconference were 
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

1.2 Documents Approved since the April 11, 2019 IESG Teleconference 

1.2.1 Protocol Actions
  o draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-p2mp-13  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-ntp-bcp-13  (Best Current Practice)
  o draft-ietf-dmarc-eaiauth-06  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-sidrops-bgpsec-algs-rfc8208-bis-05  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-lag-multipath-08  (Proposed Standard)

1.2.2 Document Actions
  NONE

1.3 Review of Action Items

DONE:
  o Alissa to draft a revision to the Meeting Room Policy and 
    communicate it to the LLC Board.
  o Benjamin Kaduk to identify designated experts for RFC 5580 [IANA 
    #1139586].
  o Barry Leiba and Roman Danyliw to summarize the discussion on common 
    problematic behaviors.
  o Suresh Krishnan to follow up on proposed IESG Statement on the 
    procedure to reference material behind a paywall.
  o Alissa Cooper to draft text back to the proponents of 
    draft-moonesamy-recall-rev to talk about the outcome of the 
    discussion at the retreat.
  o Ignas Bagdonas to find designated experts for RFC 8520 [IANA 
    #1141661].
  o Adam Roach to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-sipcore-sip-push 
    [IANA #1141663].

IN PROGRESS:
  o Suresh Krishnan to discuss naming experts for the registries created 
    by draft-irtf-icnrg-ccnxsemantics with Colin Perkins.
  o Barry Leiba and Ben Campbell to write up text on the IESG's 
    expectations regarding conflicts of interest and the disclosure of 
    funding sources.
  o Ignas Bagdonas to propose an additional question on YANG Model 
    format validation for each of the styles of document write-ups.
  o Roman Danyliw to talk to the tools team to reset the counters on 
    substate change for documents in AD Evaluation.
  o Roman Danyliw to draft text to be posted on ietf.org about reporting 
    protocol vulnerabilities via an email alias and possible procedures 
    on how to assign triage resources. 
  o Suresh Krishnan to write a document on replacing the "updates" with 
    new terminology (amends/amended by; extends/extended by; see also).
  o Warren Kumari and Ted Hardie to write a document on Implementation 
    Target Sets (aka Living Documents).
  o Roman Danyliw and Barry Leiba to draft a starting point for the 
    discussion on setting expectations with the WG Chairs in reference 
    to responses to inappropriate or unacceptable behaviors. 
  o Martin Vigoureux to work with the IESG to create a list of possible 
    IESG Tutorials and will prioritize them for scheduling on a series 
    of Informal Telechats. 
  o Alissa Cooper and Alexa Morris to put together a Doodle Poll for 
    possible dates and cost effective places for a second IESG retreat.
  o All IESG to coordinate with their co-ADs and send a list of specific 
    "hot topic" items that should be checked. The list to be provided 
    for document authors.
  o Eric Vyncke to write up draft text for the NomCom to help them 
    understand the rules for the NomCom.
  o Suresh Krishnan to write up a NomCom Chair BCP (work with past 
    chairs).
  o Eric Vyncke to draft text for a more coherent BoF Proposal for 
    MEDIA OPS and add to the BoF Wiki.
  o Roman Danyliw to shepherd the www.ietf.org analytics discussion 
    with the community.
  o Warren Kumari, Alvaro Retana, and Mirja Kuehlewind with Spencer 
    Dawkins to continue discussion of the next Deep Dive topic for 
    IETF 105.
  o Suresh Krishnan to update the text for material behind a paywall 
    to update the reference to section 7.1; update the document shepherd 
    writeup; and draft text for a possible IESG statement to circulate 
    with the WG Chairs. 
  o Alexey Melnikov, Warren Kumari, and Suresh Krishnan to work with the 
    authors of draft-moonesamy-recall-rev on next steps. 
  o Alexey Melnikov to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-core-object-
    security [IANA #1141664].

NEW:
  o Alissa to report back on the discussion about the Meeting Room 
    Policy at LLC Board retreat.
  o Alvaro Retana to finalize the proposal for relabeling the IETF 
    Meeting Agenda Conflicts, and discuss the proposal with the WG 
    Chairs.

2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items 
  o draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-25  - IETF stream
    Using RPL Option Type, Routing Header for Source Routes and
    IPv6-in-IPv6 encapsulation in the RPL Data Plane (Proposed Standard) 
    - 1 of 7
    Token: Alvaro Retana

The document was deferred to the next IESG teleconference (May 16, 2019) 
by Suresh Krishnan.

  o draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-06  - IETF stream
    DLEP Multi-Hop Forwarding Extension (Proposed Standard) - 2 of 7
    Token: Alvaro Retana

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw.*

  o draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-31  - IETF stream
    Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) Signal
    Channel Specification (Proposed Standard) - 3 of 7
    Token: Benjamin Kaduk

Roman Danyliw formally recused himself from the discussion. The document 
remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised 
by Alissa Cooper, Suresh Krishnan, Mirja Kuehlewind, Alexey Melnikov, 
and Adam Roach.*

  o draft-ietf-dots-data-channel-28  - IETF stream
    Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) Data
    Channel Specification (Proposed Standard) - 4 of 7
    Token: Benjamin Kaduk

Roman Danyliw formally recused himself from the discussion. The document 
remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised 
by Suresh Krishnan, Mirja Kuehlewind, and Alexey Melnikov.*

  o draft-ietf-netconf-subscribed-notifications-25  - IETF stream
    Subscription to YANG Event Notifications (Proposed Standard) - 5 of 
    7
    Token: Ignas Bagdonas

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw, Benjamin Kaduk, and Magnus Westerlund.*

  o draft-ietf-netconf-yang-push-23  - IETF stream
    Subscription to YANG Datastores (Proposed Standard) - 6 of 7
    Token: Ignas Bagdonas

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk.*

  o draft-ietf-core-multipart-ct-03  - IETF stream
    Multipart Content-Format for CoAP (Proposed Standard) - 7 of 7
    Token: Alexey Melnikov

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk.*

2.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items  
  o draft-housley-hkdf-oids-01  - IETF stream
    Algorithm Identifiers for the HMAC-based Extract-and-Expand Key
    Derivation Function (HKDF) (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 1
    Token: Benjamin Kaduk

The document was approved by the IESG. The Secretariat will send
an individual submission Protocol Action Announcement.

2.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items
  NONE

2.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items  
  o draft-ietf-sidrops-lta-use-cases-06  - IETF stream
    Use Cases for Localized Versions of the RPKI (Informational) - 1 of 
    1
    Token: Warren Kumari

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Alissa Cooper, Roman Danyliw, Benjamin Kaduk, and Mirja 
Kuehlewind.*

3.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items
  NONE

3.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items
  NONE

3.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items
  o conflict-review-nottingham-safe-hint-00
    IETF conflict review for draft-nottingham-safe-hint
      draft-nottingham-safe-hint-09
      The "safe" HTTP Preference (ISE: Informational) - 1 of 1
    Token: Barry Leiba

The conflict review remains under discussion by the IESG in order to 
resolve points raised by Mirja Kuehlewind and Alvaro Retana.*

3.4.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.4.3 For action
  NONE

4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review
  NONE

4.1.2 Proposed for approval
  NONE

4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review
  o Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach (anima) - 1 of 2
    Area: OPS (Ignas Bagdonas)

The charter remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve 
points raised by Alissa Cooper and Martin Vigoureux.*  

  o Limited Additional Mechanisms for PKIX and SMIME (lamps) - 2 of 2
    Area: SEC (Roman Danyliw)

The IESG decided to proceed with IETF review of the revised charter.
The Secretariat will send a WG Review: Recharter announcement, with a 
separate message to new-work@ietf.org. The Secretariat will place the WG 
on the agenda for the next IESG teleconference (May 16, 2019).

4.2.2 Proposed for approval
  o JSON Mail Access Protocol (jmap) - 1 of 1
    Area: ART (Alexey Melnikov)

The IESG approved the revised charter for the working group. The 
Secretariat will send a WG Action: RECHARTER announcement. 

5. IAB news we can use

6. Management issues

6.1 [IANA #1137877] Upcoming Parameter Expiration: Early IANA Allocation 
    for RFC 8111 (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved a second renewal 
of the early allocations for RFC 8111.

6.2 [IANA #1141661] Designated experts for RFC 8520 (Ignas Bagdonas/
    IANA)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Eliot Lear 
<lear@cisco.com> and Dan Romascanu <dromasca@gmail.com> as the 
designated experts for RFC 8520.

6.3 [IANA #1141663] Designated experts for RFC-ietf-sipcore-sip-push 
    (Adam Roach/IANA)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Christer
Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> as the designated expert for 
RFC-ietf-sipcore-sip-push.

6.4 [IANA #1141664] Designated experts for RFC-ietf-core-object-security 
    (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. An action item to find designated 
experts for RFC-ietf-core-object-security was assigned to Alexey 
Melnikov prior to the start of the teleconference.

6.5 [IANA #1139586] Designated experts for RFC 5580 (Benjamin Kaduk)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Alan DeKok 
<aland@freeradius.org> and Mohit Sethi <mohit.m.sethi@ericsson.com> as 
the designated experts for RFC 5580.

6.6 [IANA #1137011] Listing RFC 6281 as service name reference (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. 

7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.)

8. Tools Team Report -- 29 April 2019

1. Datatracker Projects
  - The plan was recently updated.
    -- https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/browser/trunk/PLAN
    -- Bids for Meeting Application Improvements were received and
       evaluated, and then the Interim LLC Executive Director
       negotiated a contract.  Work will begin shortly.
    -- An RFP for IRSG balloting was just released.  Proposals are
       due on 16 May 2019, and we expect work to begin in June.   
    -- One thing to highlight is the increased the priority of the
       transition from Python 2 to Python 3.  This increased priority
       is because Python 2 is being officially deprecated, and it 
       will not receive maintenance starting January 2020.

2. Community & Other Projects
  - The Secretariat deployed the latest website deliverable from
    Torchbox.   This uncovered a mess with redirects between Wagtail
    and Apache.  Glen Barney from the Secretariat IT staff will begin
    a significant clean up effort today; it should finish tomorrow.

3. RFC Services Projects
  - Support for the v3 schema was enabled for I-D submission during
    IETF 104.  The IESG needs to make a policy decision about when I-Ds
    in this new format can be submitted to the IESG for publication on
    the IETF stream.
  - The RFC Production Center is testing the tools related to the new
    format.
  - The Tools Team is working on a Statement of Work for the security
    review of tools used by the RFC Production Center.  The tools used
    for the new format will be reviewed since the ones related to the
    old format are about to be put in mothballs.
  - Bids for tools for rendering errata in a more useful way were
    received last week, and they are being evaluated right now.  We
    expect a contract to be negotiated in May 2019, and then work to
    begin the same month.

4. Server Infrastructure
  - The custom DMARC-handling software was deployed for all mail lists
    in June 2018, but there is a desire to move away from the custom
    software to ARC.  The ARC software cannot be configured to handle
    just a few of our mail lists.  Requirements were provided to the
    ARC developers, but so far, they have not offered a release date.
    Alexey continues to try to get a response from the ARC developers,
    but so far we are only getting silence.  This has not changed in
    many months; maybe we will be using our custom code forever.

5. YANG Catalog
  - Operation of the yangcatalog.org was to transferred to the IETF
    Secretariat.  A few significant things to highlight:
    -- A YANG Catalog support contractor is under contract.
    -- The yangcatalog.org service is running on different hardware
       than ietf.org.  It will be "in the cloud."  This will allow the
       Tools Team to determine whether this is a useful management
       model for other IETF-related services.
  - The registration for yangcatalog.com has been transferred to the
    IETF Trust.




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* Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/) 
for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.