Minutes interim-2019-iesg-13 2019-06-13 14:00
minutes-interim-2019-iesg-13-201906131400-00

INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the June 13, 2019 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Cindy Morgan, IETF Secretariat

ATTENDEES 
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Ignas Bagdonas (Equinix) /  Operations and Management Area
Deborah Brungard (AT&T) / Routing Area
Alissa Cooper (Cisco) / IETF Chair, General Area
Michelle Cotton (ICANN) / IANA Liaison 
Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / Security Area
Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison 
Ted Hardie (Google) / IAB Chair
Benjamin Kaduk (Akamai Technologies) / Security Area
Suresh Krishnan (Kaloom) / Internet Area
Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area
Barry Leiba (Futurewei Technologies) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Alexey Melnikov / Applications and Real-Time Area
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Alvaro Retana (Futurewei Technologies) / Routing Area
Adam Roach (Mozilla) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Amy Vezza (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Martin Vigoureux (Nokia) / Routing Area
Eric Vyncke (Cisco) / Internet Area
Magnus Westerlund (Ericsson) / Transport Area

REGRETS 
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Heather Flanagan / RFC Series Editor
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat, Narrative Scribe
Wes Hardaker (USC/ISI) / IAB Liaison
Mirja Kuehlewind (Ericsson) / Transport Area
Portia Wenze-Danley (ISOC) / Interim LLC Executive Director

OBSERVERS
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Greg Wood


MINUTES 
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1. Administrivia 
1.1 Approval of the Minutes

The minutes of the May 30, 2019 Teleconference were approved. The 
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the May 30, 2019 Teleconference were 
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

1.2 Documents Approved since the May 30, 2019 IESG Teleconference
1.2.1 Protocol Actions
  o draft-ietf-perc-private-media-framework-12  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-25  (Proposed Standard)
    
1.2.2 Document Actions
  NONE

1.3 Review of Action Items

DONE:
  o Eric Vyncke to draft text for a more coherent BoF Proposal for 
    MEDIA OPS and add to the BoF Wiki.
  o Alexey Melnikov, Warren Kumari, and Suresh Krishnan to work with the 
    authors of the recall draft on next steps. 
  o Alissa Cooper and Alexa Morris to take the results of the doodle 
    poll for a second 2019 IESG retreat (possibly combined with the IAB) 
    and look at cost effective places.

IN PROGRESS:

  o Ignas Bagdonas to propose an additional question on YANG Model 
    format validation for each of the styles of document write-ups.
  o Roman Danyliw to talk to the tools team to reset the counters on 
    substate change for documents in AD Evaluation.
  o Roman Danyliw to draft text to be posted on ietf.org about reporting 
    protocol vulnerabilities via an email alias and possible procedures 
    on how to assign triage resources. 
  o Suresh Krishnan to write a document on replacing the "updates" with 
    new terminology (amends/amended by; extends/extended by; see also).
  o Roman Danyliw and Barry Leiba to draft a starting point for the 
    discussion on setting expectations with the WG Chairs in reference 
    to responses to inappropriate or unacceptable behaviors. 
  o Martin Vigoureux to work with the IESG to create a list of possible 
    IESG Tutorials and will prioritize them for scheduling on a series 
    of Informal Telechats. 
  o All IESG to coordinate with their co-ADs and send a list of specific 
    "hot topic" items that should be checked. The list to be provided 
    for document authors.
  o Eric Vyncke to write up draft text for the NomCom to help them 
    understand the rules for the NomCom.
  o Suresh Krishnan to write up a NomCom Chair BCP (work with past 
    chairs).
  o Roman Danyliw to shepherd the www.ietf.org analytics discussion 
    with the community.
  o Warren Kumari, Alvaro Retana, and Mirja Kuehlewind with Spencer 
    Dawkins to continue discussion of the next Deep Dive topic for 
    IETF 105.
  o Alexey Melnikov to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-core-object-
    security [IANA #1141664].
  o Alvaro Retana to finalize the proposal for relabeling the IETF 
    Meeting Agenda Conflicts, and discuss the proposal with the WG 
    Chairs.
  o Alexey Melnikov to find designated experts for RFC 8554 [IANA 
    #1142796].
  o Adam Roach to facilitate the discussion on WG Meeting Structure,
    related to alternate room layouts and the facilitation of 
    discussion.
  o Ted Hardie to write up use cases and requirements for Implementation 
    Target Sets for a future IESG discussion (preliminary date for 
    discussion: June 20, 2019 Informal Telechat).

NEW:
  NONE

2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items
  o draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-ext-15  - IETF stream
    BGP Link-State extensions for Segment Routing (Proposed Standard) - 
    1 of 5
    Token: Alvaro Retana

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action 
Announcement once Alvaro Retana confirms that the announcement is ready 
to be sent.

  o draft-ietf-softwire-iftunnel-07  - IETF stream
    Tunnel Interface Types YANG Module (Proposed Standard) - 2 of 5
    Token: Eric Vyncke

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Eric Vyncke. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Protocol Action Announcement.

  o draft-ietf-softwire-map-radius-25  - IETF stream
    RADIUS Attributes for Address plus Port (A+P) based Softwire
    Mechanisms (Proposed Standard) - 3 of 5
    Token: Eric Vyncke

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Eric Vyncke. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Protocol Action Announcement.

  o draft-ietf-sipcore-rejected-08  - IETF stream
    A Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Response Code for Rejected
    Calls (Proposed Standard) - 4 of 5
    Token: Adam Roach

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action 
Announcement once Adam Roach confirms that the announcement is ready to 
be sent.

  o draft-ietf-grow-wkc-behavior-07  - IETF stream
    Well-Known Community Policy Behavior (Proposed Standard) - 5 of 5
    Token: Warren Kumari

The document was approved by the IESG. The Secretariat will send a 
working group submission Protocol Action Announcement.

2.1.2 Returning items
  o draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo-21  - IETF stream
    YANG Data Model for Traffic Engineering (TE) Topologies (Proposed
    Standard) - 1 of 1
    Token: Deborah Brungard

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Deborah Brungard. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Protocol Action Announcement.

2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items
  NONE

2.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items
  NONE

2.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items  
  o draft-ietf-netvc-testing-08  - IETF stream
    Video Codec Testing and Quality Measurement (Informational) - 1 of 3
    Token: Adam Roach

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Alissa Cooper, Roman Danyliw, and Benjamin Kaduk.*

  o draft-ietf-netvc-requirements-09  - IETF stream
    <Video Codec Requirements and Evaluation Methodology>
    (Informational) - 2 of 3
    Token: Adam Roach

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw.*

  o draft-ietf-pce-inter-area-as-applicability-07  - IETF stream
    Applicability of the Path Computation Element to Inter-Area and
    Inter-AS MPLS and GMPLS Traffic Engineering (Informational) - 3 of 3
    Token: Deborah Brungard

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Deborah Brungard. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Document Action Announcement.

3.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items
  NONE

3.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items
  NONE

3.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items
  o conflict-review-sheffer-tls-pinning-ticket-00
    IETF conflict review for draft-sheffer-tls-pinning-ticket
      draft-sheffer-tls-pinning-ticket-11
      TLS Server Identity Pinning with Tickets (ISE: Experimental)
    Token: Benjamin Kaduk

The IESG has no problem with the RFC Editor publishing this document.
The Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the RFC
Independent Submissions Editor that includes a conflict review response 
prepared by Benjamin Kaduk.


3.4.2 Returning items
  NONE

4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review
  NONE

4.1.2 Proposed for approval
  NONE

4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review
  NONE

4.2.2 Proposed for approval
  NONE

5. IAB news we can use

6. Management issues

6.1 Proposed IESG Telechat Dates Between IETF 105 and IETF 106 
    (Secretariat)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved telechat dates 
between IETF 105 and IETF 106.

6.2 [IANA #1142688] renewing early allocations for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-
    optimized-ir (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved renewing the early 
allocations for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-optimized-ir.

6.3 Reserving dates for 2nd retreat (Alissa Cooper)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG agreed to block out October 
8-11, 2019 for a potential joint retreat with the IAB, and to revisit 
the question on whether to hold the retreat after IETF 105.

7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.)

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* Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/) 
for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.