Minutes interim-2019-iesg-16 2019-08-08 14:00
minutes-interim-2019-iesg-16-201908081400-00

INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the August 8, 2019 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Cindy Morgan, IETF Secretariat

ATTENDEES 
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Ignas Bagdonas (Equinix) /  Operations and Management Area
Michelle Cotton (ICANN) / IANA Liaison
Alissa Cooper (Cisco) / IETF Chair, General Area
Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / Security Area
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat, Narrative Scribe
Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison 
Wes Hardaker (USC/ISI) / IAB Liaison
Benjamin Kaduk (Akamai Technologies) / Security Area
Suresh Krishnan (Kaloom) / Internet Area
Mirja Kuehlewind (Ericsson) / Transport Area
Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area
Barry Leiba (Futurewei Technologies) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Alexey Melnikov / Applications and Real-Time Area
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Alvaro Retana (Futurewei Technologies) / Routing Area
Martin Vigoureux (Nokia) / Routing Area
Eric Vyncke (Cisco) / Internet Area

REGRETS 
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Deborah Brungard (AT&T) / Routing Area
Heather Flanagan / RFC Series Editor
Ted Hardie (Google) / IAB Chair
Adam Roach (Mozilla) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Amy Vezza (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Portia Wenze-Danley (ISOC) / Interim LLC Executive Director
Magnus Westerlund (Ericsson) / Transport Area

OBSERVERS
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Jenny Bui
Greg Wood


MINUTES 
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1. Administrivia 
1.1 Approval of the Minutes

The minutes of the July 11, 2019 Teleconference were approved. The 
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the July 11, 2019 Teleconference were 
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

1.2 Documents Approved since the July 11, 2019 IESG Teleconference
1.2.1 Protocol Actions
  o draft-ietf-curdle-gss-keyex-sha2-10  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-uta-smtp-require-tls-09  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-mpls-egress-protection-framework-07  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-tram-turnbis-29  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-rtcweb-security-arch-20  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-mptcp-rfc6824bis-18  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-oauth-token-exchange-19  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao-15  (Proposed Standard)
    
1.2.2 Document Actions
  o draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-18  (Informational)
  o draft-ietf-lamps-hash-of-root-key-cert-extn-07  (Informational)

1.3 Review of Action Items

DONE:
  o Roman Danyliw to talk to the tools team to reset the counters on 
    substate change for documents in AD Evaluation.
  o Suresh Krishnan to write a document on replacing the "updates" with 
    new terminology (amends/amended by; extends/extended by; see also).
  o Suresh Krishnan to write up a NomCom Chair BCP (work with past 
    chairs).
  o Alvaro Retana to finalize the proposal for relabeling the IETF 
    Meeting Agenda Conflicts, and discuss the proposal with the WG 
    Chairs.
  o Alvaro Retana to find designated experts for RFC 5575 [IANA 
    #1147895] 
  o Warren Kumari to find designated experts for RFC 8552 [IANA 
    #1148605] 

IN PROGRESS:
  o Ignas Bagdonas to propose an additional question on YANG Model 
    format validation for each of the styles of document write-ups.
  o Roman Danyliw to draft text to be posted on ietf.org about reporting 
    protocol vulnerabilities via an email alias and possible procedures 
    on how to assign triage resources. 
  o Martin Vigoureux to work with the IESG to create a list of possible 
    IESG Tutorials and will prioritize them for scheduling on a series 
    of Informal Telechats. 
  o Eric Vyncke to write up draft text for the NomCom to help them 
    understand the rules for the NomCom.
  o Roman Danyliw to shepherd the www.ietf.org analytics discussion 
    with the community.
  o Alexey Melnikov to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-core-object-
    security [IANA #1141664].
  o Alexey Melnikov to find designated experts for RFC 8554 [IANA 
    #1142796].
  o Alexey Melnikov to find designated experts for RFC 8610 [IANA 
    #1145107].
  o Ignas Bagdonas to find designated experts for RFC 7317 [IANA 
    #1146017].
  o Adam Roach to collate the list of specific "hot topic" items from 
    each Area that will be provided to document authors and post it on 
    the wiki.

NEW:
  o Alvaro Retana to find designated experts for RFC 5613 [IANA 
    #1147782].
  o Barry Leiba to come up with a proposal for moving Last Call 
    discussions to a separate mailing list.

2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items
  o draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-35  - IETF stream
    Extended Message support for BGP (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 13
    Token: Alvaro Retana

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action 
Announcement once Alvaro Retana confirms that the announcement is ready 
to be sent.

  o draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-ed25519-ed448-09  - IETF stream
    Ed25519 and Ed448 public key algorithms for the Secure Shell (SSH)
    protocol (Proposed Standard) - 2 of 13
    Token: Benjamin Kaduk

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action 
Announcement once Benjamin Kaduk confirms that the announcement is ready 
to be sent.

  o draft-ietf-lamps-cms-shakes-16  - IETF stream
    Use of the SHAKE One-way Hash Functions in the Cryptographic
    Message Syntax (CMS) (Proposed Standard) - 3 of 13
    Token: Roman Danyliw

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action 
Announcement once Roman Danyliw confirms that the announcement is ready 
to be sent.

  o draft-ietf-babel-dtls-07  - IETF stream
    Babel Routing Protocol over Datagram Transport Layer Security
    (Proposed Standard) - 4 of 13
    Token: Martin Vigoureux

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw, Benjamin Kaduk, and Mirja Kuehlewind.*

  o draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-15  - IETF stream
    IP Fragmentation Considered Fragile (Best Current Practice) - 5 of 
    13
    Token: Suresh Krishnan

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Alissa Cooper.*

  o draft-ietf-manet-dlep-latency-extension-04  - IETF stream
    DLEP Latency Range Extension (Proposed Standard) - 6 of 13
    Token: Alvaro Retana

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action 
Announcement once Alvaro Retana confirms that the announcement is ready 
to be sent.

  o draft-ietf-babel-hmac-08  - IETF stream
    HMAC authentication for the Babel routing protocol (Proposed
    Standard) - 7 of 13
    Token: Martin Vigoureux

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw, Benjamin Kaduk, and Mirja Kuehlewind.*

  o draft-ietf-ospf-xaf-te-06  - IETF stream
    OSPF Routing with Cross-Address Family Traffic Engineering Tunnels
    (Proposed Standard) - 8 of 13
    Token: Martin Vigoureux

Alvaro Retana formally recused himself from the discussion. The document 
remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised 
by Roman Danyliw.*

  o draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis-12  - IETF stream
    The Babel Routing Protocol (Proposed Standard) - 9 of 13
    Token: Martin Vigoureux

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Alissa Cooper, Roman Danyliw, Benjamin Kaduk, Suresh 
Krishnan, Mirja Kuehlewind, and Alvaro Retana.*

  o draft-ietf-dnssd-push-24  - IETF stream
    DNS Push Notifications (Proposed Standard) - 10 of 13
    Token: Eric Vyncke

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action 
Announcement once Eric Vyncke confirms that the announcement is ready 
to be sent.

  o draft-ietf-mpls-rfc8287-len-clarification-02  - IETF stream
    RFC8287 Sub-TLV Length Clarification (Proposed Standard) - 11 of 13
    Token: Deborah Brungard

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Alissa Cooper and Suresh Krishnan.*

  o draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-uks-06  - IETF stream
    Unknown Key Share Attacks on uses of TLS with the Session
    Description Protocol (SDP) (Proposed Standard) 12 of 13
    Token: Adam Roach

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw and Benjamin Kaduk.*

  o draft-ietf-mmusic-ice-sip-sdp-37  - IETF stream
    Session Description Protocol (SDP) Offer/Answer procedures for
    Interactive Connectivity Establishment (ICE) (Proposed Standard) - 
    13 of 13
    Token: Adam Roach

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Alissa Cooper, Roman Danyliw, Benjamin Kaduk, and 
Alexey Melnikov.*

2.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items
  NONE

2.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items
  NONE

2.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items 
  o draft-ietf-6tisch-architecture-24  - IETF stream
    An Architecture for IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4
    (Informational) - 1 of 3
    Token: Suresh Krishnan

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk and Mirja Kuehlewind.*

  o draft-ietf-i2nsf-applicability-16  - IETF stream
    Applicability of Interfaces to Network Security Functions to
    Network-Based Security Services (Informational) - 2 of 3
    Token: Roman Danyliw

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Alvaro Retana.*

  o draft-ietf-babel-applicability-09  - IETF stream
    Applicability of the Babel routing protocol (Informational) - 3 of 3
    Token: Martin Vigoureux

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Martin Vigoureux. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Document Action Announcement.

3.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items
  NONE

3.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items
  NONE

3.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items
  NONE

3.4.2 Returning items
  o conflict-review-sheffer-tls-pinning-ticket-02
    IETF conflict review for draft-sheffer-tls-pinning-ticket
      draft-sheffer-tls-pinning-ticket-12
      TLS Server Identity Pinning with Tickets (ISE: Experimental) - 1 
      of 1
    Token: Benjamin Kaduk

The IESG has no problem with the RFC Editor publishing this document.
The Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the RFC
Independent Submissions Editor that includes a conflict review response 
prepared by Benjamin Kaduk.

4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review
  NONE

4.1.2 Proposed for approval
  NONE

4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review
  NONE

4.2.2 Proposed for approval
  NONE

5. IAB news we can use

6. Management issues

6.1 [IANA #1147782] Designated experts for RFC 5613 (IANA)

The management issue was discussed.

Action item: Alvaro Retana to find designated experts for RFC 5613 [IANA 
#1147782].

6.2 [IANA #1147895] Designated experts for RFC 5575 (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Susan Hares 
<shares@ndzh.com> and Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> as the 
designated experts for RFC 5575. 

6.3 Wiki for 2nd retreat agenda topics (Alissa Cooper)

The management issue was discussed. 

6.4 [IANA #1148605] Designated experts for RFC 8552 (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Paul Wouters 
<paul@nohats.ca> as a designated expert for RFC 8552. The IESG also 
approved Peter Koch <pk@DENIC.DE> as an additional expert, pending his 
acceptance of the position.
 
6.5 Response regarding meeting cadence (Alissa Cooper)

The management issue was discussed. 

6.6 Moving IETF LC discussions to a separate mailing list (Alexey 
   Melnikov)

The management issue was discussed.

Action item: Barry Leiba to come up with a proposal for moving Last Call 
discussions to a separate mailing list.

7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.)

8. Tools Team Report -- 31 July 2019

1. Datatracker Projects
  - During the IETF 105 Codesprint:
    -- As requested by the IESG, added Closing Notes to history and
       about pages.
    -- Improved performance for a few pages.
    -- Added the ability to upload markdown agendas and minutes. 
    -- Improvements to session slide suggestion uploads.
    -- Added quotes around document name in mailarchive search link.
    -- Improvements to the test framework.
    -- Made removed IPR disclosures visually distinctive in search
       results.
	 -- Restored ability to remove documents while managing a 
            personal list.
    -- Added a calendar display of upcoming meetings. 
    -- Added consistent sort the documents in the agenda, minutes,
       bluesheets.
  - The plan was recently updated:
    -- https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/browser/trunk/PLAN
    -- The transition from Python 2 to Python 3 is finished.
  - A contract for Meeting Application Improvements was awarded to
    IOLA.  Work will begin shortly.
  - A contract for IRSG balloting was awarded to AKAYLA.  Work began
    in June 2019.
  - A request for bids was sent to the IDIQ contract holders for
    improvements to the Datatracker Review Tool.  A recommendation for
    an award has been sent to the Interim IETF LLC Executive Director.

2. Community & Other Projects
  - The Tools Team and the Secretariat worked out a plan for web site
    content involving static plaintext or PDF pages, such as appeals,
    appeal responses, and implementation reports.  During the IETF 105
    Codesprint, progress was made at implementing this approach.

3. RFC Services Projects
  - Support for the v3 schema has been enabled for I-D submission, and
    now the IESG needs to make a policy decision about when I-Ds in the
    new format can be submitted to the IESG for publication on the IETF
    stream.  draft-levkowetz-xml2rfc-v3-implementation-notes describes
    the difference between the "as designed" and the "as built" tools
    that implement the v3 schema.
  - The RFC Production Center continues to test the new format tools.
  - The Tools Team has a Statement of Work for the security of the
    tools used by the RFC Production Center.  The new format tools will
    be reviewed once the tools related to the old format are put in
    mothballs.  Dates for this review have not been set yet.

4. Server Infrastructure
  - The custom DMARC-handling software was deployed for all mail lists
    in June 2018, but there is a desire to move away from the custom
    software to ARC.  The ARC software cannot be configured to handle
    just a few of our mail lists.  Requirements were provided to the
    ARC developers, but so far, they have not offered a release date.
    Alexey continues to try to get a response from the ARC developers,
    but so far we are only getting silence.  This has not changed in
    many months; maybe we will be using our custom code forever.

5. YANG Catalog
  - Operation of the yangcatalog.org was to transferred to the IETF
    Secretariat.  This is running in a container on a sandbox server.
    We expect deployment of the containerized version soon.

6. SustainIETF.org
  - This domain name will be transferred from ISOC to the IETF Trust.
  - It is now being redirected to ietf.org.

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* Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/) 
for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.