From nobody Fri Oct 2 01:47:24 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B341ACEC4 for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 2 Oct 2015 01:47:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ExVWjAbD70W1 for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 2 Oct 2015 01:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-2.cisco.com (alln-iport-2.cisco.com [173.37.142.89]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 664961A1A02 for <6tisch@ietf.org>; Fri, 2 Oct 2015 01:47:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=8432; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1443775641; x=1444985241; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: mime-version; bh=v6gL2JTfP6+s1IoZVS1V4IoeN/ivHdkdY+DxxwYMzVM=; b=AtIgueu8QJXb5KVIxiHPYjCGiKi86eEmc10QbdB1/EGKp1QX7Rg6q7ck VgWgMnJomlsRghQEC2Ap5OV7Xbhop+w3UJrF5oh4X5xB3cXbr2YMiU3MF Z2I91G2xDJpa3fq2C54vd7buVyxm19saYXJbZU216vuThWgsXVAICgiLQ g=; X-Files: ATT00001.txt : 133 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0C3AgApRA5W/5ldJa1eglpNVG4GvXQOgXEBCYUvSgKBNjgUAQEBAQEBAX8LhCQBAQEEAQEBKkEbAgEIEQQBASgHAiULFAcBAQUDAQEEEwgGDIgUDctvAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBEwSGc4R+hRMBhCwFlXwBgkuBYYhjgVmWHoNuAR8BQ4QCcYhygQYBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.17,622,1437436800"; d="txt'?scan'208,217";a="192810126" Received: from rcdn-core-2.cisco.com ([173.37.93.153]) by alln-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 02 Oct 2015 08:47:17 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-005.cisco.com (xch-aln-005.cisco.com [173.36.7.15]) by rcdn-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t928lHqb024100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for <6tisch@ietf.org>; Fri, 2 Oct 2015 08:47:17 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com (173.37.102.11) by XCH-ALN-005.cisco.com (173.36.7.15) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Fri, 2 Oct 2015 03:47:16 -0500 Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) by XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.000; Fri, 2 Oct 2015 03:47:16 -0500 From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" To: "6tisch@ietf.org" <6tisch@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: detnet is approved as a new Working Group Thread-Index: AdD8iweRZmRwq5G6RgGDtjfqCJ0yZQAY4adA Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 08:46:58 +0000 Deferred-Delivery: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 08:46:28 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.55.22.4] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_004_d71bc1ed385f4d74a2b4e6400e44eae7XCHRCD001ciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [6tisch] FW: detnet is approved as a new Working Group X-BeenThere: 6tisch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss link layer model for Deterministic IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e, and impacts on RPL and 6LoWPAN such as resource allocation" <6tisch.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2015 08:47:23 -0000 --_004_d71bc1ed385f4d74a2b4e6400e44eae7XCHRCD001ciscocom_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_d71bc1ed385f4d74a2b4e6400e44eae7XCHRCD001ciscocom_" --_000_d71bc1ed385f4d74a2b4e6400e44eae7XCHRCD001ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all: This is a great happening for us. More generic work will happen on the inte= raction with the PCE from which we can derive future work to specialize thi= s to TSCH. Cheers, Pascal From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of BRUNGARD, DEBORA= H A Sent: jeudi 1 octobre 2015 22:52 To: detnet@ietf.org Subject: [Detnet] detnet is approved as a new Working Group Hi detnet fans, Great news - on today's IESG call, we got approval for detnet as a new Work= ing Group. I have a few nits to fix on the charter and then you will see the formal an= nouncement. Your new WG Chairs will be familiar faces as they were your BoF Chairs: Lou= Berger and Pat Thaler. Thanks Lou and Pat for taking on this responsibilit= y! You are on the schedule to meet at the next IETF. Wish you success- Deborah --_000_d71bc1ed385f4d74a2b4e6400e44eae7XCHRCD001ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear all:

 

This is a great happening for us. Mor= e generic work will happen on the interaction with the PCE from which we ca= n derive future work to specialize this to TSCH.

 

Cheers,=

 <= /p>

Pascal<= /p>

 

From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@= ietf.org] On Behalf Of BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A
Sent: jeudi 1 octobre 2015 22:52
To: detnet@ietf.org
Subject: [Detnet] detnet is approved as a new Working Group

 

Hi detnet fans,

 

Great news - on today’s IESG call, we got app= roval for detnet as a new Working Group.

 

I have a few nits to fix on the charter and then yo= u will see the formal announcement.

 

Your new WG Chairs will be familiar faces as they w= ere your BoF Chairs: Lou Berger and Pat Thaler. Thanks Lou and Pat for taki= ng on this responsibility!

 

You are on the schedule to meet at the next IETF.

 

Wish you success-

Deborah

 

 

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Dear all :

 

As we discussed at the interim last week, we are cal= ling for presentations to put together the 6TiSCH agenda for Yokohama.=

 

If you are interested with a slot please let the cha= irs (cc) know:

-     &= nbsp;  Name of presenter

-     &= nbsp;  Draft if any

-     &= nbsp;  Desired duration for the soot

-     &= nbsp;  Need for a remote presentation

 

Thanks in advance!

 

for the chairs,

 

Pascal

 

 

--_000_57e0a069bd8f492184491c1d1c8fc830XCHRCD001ciscocom_-- From nobody Fri Oct 2 17:47:22 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E24C31A90CA; Fri, 2 Oct 2015 17:47:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aSN6B3ry2oO5; Fri, 2 Oct 2015 17:47:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usevmg21.ericsson.net (usevmg21.ericsson.net [198.24.6.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C8821A90C9; Fri, 2 Oct 2015 17:47:17 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c6180641-f792c6d00000686a-84-560eb9d0abe7 Received: from EUSAAHC002.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.78]) by usevmg21.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 7D.88.26730.0D9BE065; Fri, 2 Oct 2015 19:07:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EUSAAMB103.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.120]) by EUSAAHC002.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.78]) with mapi id 14.03.0248.002; Fri, 2 Oct 2015 20:47:15 -0400 From: Samita Chakrabarti To: "6lo@ietf.org" <6lo@ietf.org>, "6tisch@ietf.org" <6tisch@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: 6lo plugtest Final Call : Please Read Thread-Index: AdD9dMP0Dcgo+UztSiaL1JK+uZQSAw== Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 00:47:14 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.10] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_ECA43DA70480A3498E43C3471FB2E1F022276453eusaamb103erics_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFnrMLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXSPn+6FnXxhBuu3iVs0TxGwWHa3j9mi +dlkRgdmj09LpzN5LFnykymAKYrLJiU1J7MstUjfLoErY9HyLuaCJb4Vi2ftZGxgfObcxcjJ ISFgIjH/8iF2CFtM4sK99WwgtpDAUUaJaT+zuhi5gOxljBJrt79mBkmwCVhJdPTuAWsQEXCT ONQ3mwnEZhZIl+he1w4U5+AQFtCTeN2VA1FiLLFw2XJWCFtPYn7LeUYQm0VAReLjmbtgu3gF fCWuHVsOZjMC3fD91BqokeISt57MZ4K4TUBiyZ7zzBC2qMTLx/9YIWwliUlLz7FC1OdL9F64 wQoxU1Di5MwnLBMYhWchGTULSdksJGUQcR2JBbs/sUHY2hLLFr5mhrHPHHjMhCy+gJF9FSNH aXFqWW66keEmRmCsHJNgc9zBuOCT5SFGAQ5GJR7eBSW8YUKsiWXFlbmHGKU5WJTEeefNuB8q JJCeWJKanZpakFoUX1Sak1p8iJGJg1OqgdFZfePGk2pb1Bky9wsZhe5d6vwrUqXLeb0ud3CF ++7qxh+2omfWXjyYPNGxZ17GrZPz1G6plIWm+vK82fXHgufoKS9hEbelLEV1uuflizqkY1R/ hZka8VjpK+z4/vOniM+pxTEHbIOkDfoEJY1743b+UuvkPMV71bTrwwtx86+fdL5Pi8j3VWIp zkg01GIuKk4EAKticit2AgAA Archived-At: Cc: "Miguel Angel Reina Ortega \(MiguelAngel.ReinaOrtega@etsi.org\)" Subject: [6tisch] 6lo plugtest Final Call : Please Read X-BeenThere: 6tisch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss link layer model for Deterministic IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e, and impacts on RPL and 6LoWPAN such as resource allocation" <6tisch.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2015 00:47:20 -0000 --_000_ECA43DA70480A3498E43C3471FB2E1F022276453eusaamb103erics_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello 6lo/6lowpan developers: The 6lo-Chairs are helping ETSI plug fest team to co-ordinate the planning= for 1st 6lo test event scheduled at Yokohoma, Japan on 6th Nov -8th Nov. [ Friday - Sunday following IETF] The event is free of charge but it REQUIRES registration for Planning and b= udget etc. Please REGISTER ASAP if you are planning to test your implementation at Yo= kohama! The test plan is being written by two 6lo experts: The scope is : Baseline documents: RFC4944, RFC6282, RFC6775 - 6lowpan - IEEE 802.15.4 - draft-ietf-6lo-6lobac-02 - draft-ietf-6lo-dect-ule-02 - draft-ietf-6lo-btle -17 - draft-ietf-6lo-nfc-01 We are trying to gauge people's interests in participating at Yokohama even= t ! If you are planning to attending the ETSI 6lo plugfest, please let 6lo-ch= airs know by Monday, EoD Oct 5th, 2015. I'd like to facilitate a phone meeting discussing the plugtest event detai= ls with the event -coordinators. If you like to test any other 6lo documents that are not on this list, plea= se discuss on the mailing list. Successful test-event is the key for the completion of the protocol specifi= cation development. Thanks, -Samita --_000_ECA43DA70480A3498E43C3471FB2E1F022276453eusaamb103erics_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello 6lo/6lowpan developers:

 

The 6lo-Chairs are helping ETSI plug fest team to co= -ordinate  the planning for 1st 6lo test event scheduled

at Yokohoma, Japan on 6th Nov -8th Nov. [ Friday – Sunday following IETF]

 

 

 

The event is free of charge but it REQUIRES registra= tion for Planning and budget etc.

Please REGISTER ASAP if you are planning to test &nb= sp;your implementation at Yokohama!

 

The test  plan is being written by two 6lo expe= rts: The scope is  :

 

Baseline documents: RFC4944, RFC6282, RFC6775

-       = ;   6lowpan – IEEE 802.15.4

-       = ;   draft-ietf-6lo-6lobac-02

-       = ;   draft-ietf-6lo-dect-ule-02

-       = ;   draft-ietf-6lo-btle -17

-       = ;   draft-ietf-6lo-nfc-01

 

 

We are trying to gauge people’s interests in p= articipating at Yokohama event !

 

If you are planning to  attending the ETSI 6lo = plugfest, please let  6lo-chairs  know by Monday, EoD Oct 5t= h, 2015.

 

I’d like to facilitate a phone meeting discuss= ing  the plugtest event details with the event –coordinators.

 

If you like to test any other 6lo documents that are= not on this list, please discuss on the mailing list.

 

Successful test-event is the key for the completion = of the protocol specification development.

 

Thanks,

-Samita

--_000_ECA43DA70480A3498E43C3471FB2E1F022276453eusaamb103erics_-- From nobody Fri Oct 2 18:51:03 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DAFB1A0318; Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:50:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hOCKkVj6kj9F; Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:50:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usevmg21.ericsson.net (usevmg21.ericsson.net [198.24.6.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 745221A02F1; Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:50:55 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c6180641-f792c6d00000686a-af-560ec8b9e3b8 Received: from EUSAAHC006.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.90]) by usevmg21.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 8D.39.26730.9B8CE065; Fri, 2 Oct 2015 20:11:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EUSAAMB103.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.120]) by EUSAAHC006.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.90]) with mapi id 14.03.0248.002; Fri, 2 Oct 2015 21:50:53 -0400 From: Samita Chakrabarti To: Samita Chakrabarti , "6lo@ietf.org" <6lo@ietf.org>, "6tisch@ietf.org" <6tisch@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: 6lo plugtest Final Call : Please Read Thread-Index: AdD9dMP0Dcgo+UztSiaL1JK+uZQSAwACRbCg Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 01:50:52 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.10] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_ECA43DA70480A3498E43C3471FB2E1F022276523eusaamb103erics_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrDLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXRPlO7OE3xhBm2PFSyapwhYLLvbx2zR /GwyowOzx6el05k8liz5yRTAFMVlk5Kak1mWWqRvl8CVcfjrDOaC1sSKiQu/sDYwvg3tYuTk kBAwkbh//wQrhC0mceHeerYuRi4OIYGjjBJNTzYyQjjLGCV+H7nPAlLFJmAl0dG7hx3EFhGo k5h9axpYnFkgXaJ7XTtYXFjASOLk7BXMEDXGEguXLWeFsI0kXs9sYwKxWQRUJJZOnAvUy8HB K+ArsXRZMkhYCMj8NeUC2EhOAT+JZzOvgbUyAh33/dQaJohV4hK3nsxngjhaQGLJnvPMELao xMvH/6CeUZKYtPQcK0R9vsSZxtNsIDavgKDEyZlPWCYwis5CMmoWkrJZSMog4joSC3Z/YoOw tSWWLXzNDGOfOfCYCVl8ASP7KkaO0uLUstx0I8NNjMDoOibB5riDccEny0OMAhyMSjy8Csf4 woRYE8uKK3MPMUpzsCiJ886bcT9USCA9sSQ1OzW1ILUovqg0J7X4ECMTB6dUA6P8uUkPP/gk +VYJxc9aWcD7yG/ax9BNGsop4Tv/KK/+K/179Ysw2ddxSbEFB9oPTNileXLK5l2zdv5WfphS meSy84XHnvK6Ofp9Xd9Uy2Vclxy4NddkwuS9L29dY4+e9iYrIELc+dPPoBnXfnWVGOwT7+my zpkiuerPFDNeR/ki95c7skPr3j1WYinOSDTUYi4qTgQA5WNXiY8CAAA= Archived-At: Cc: "Miguel Angel Reina Ortega \(MiguelAngel.ReinaOrtega@etsi.org\)" Subject: Re: [6tisch] 6lo plugtest Final Call : Please Read X-BeenThere: 6tisch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss link layer model for Deterministic IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e, and impacts on RPL and 6LoWPAN such as resource allocation" <6tisch.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2015 01:50:58 -0000 --_000_ECA43DA70480A3498E43C3471FB2E1F022276523eusaamb103erics_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The registration link : http://www.etsi.org/news-events/events/1003-6lo-plugtests -Samita From: 6lo [mailto:6lo-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Samita Chakrabarti Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 5:47 PM To: 6lo@ietf.org; 6tisch@ietf.org Cc: Miguel Angel Reina Ortega (MiguelAngel.ReinaOrtega@etsi.org) Subject: [6lo] 6lo plugtest Final Call : Please Read Hello 6lo/6lowpan developers: The 6lo-Chairs are helping ETSI plug fest team to co-ordinate the planning= for 1st 6lo test event scheduled at Yokohoma, Japan on 6th Nov -8th Nov. [ Friday - Sunday following IETF] The event is free of charge but it REQUIRES registration for Planning and b= udget etc. Please REGISTER ASAP if you are planning to test your implementation at Yo= kohama! The test plan is being written by two 6lo experts: The scope is : Baseline documents: RFC4944, RFC6282, RFC6775 - 6lowpan - IEEE 802.15.4 - draft-ietf-6lo-6lobac-02 - draft-ietf-6lo-dect-ule-02 - draft-ietf-6lo-btle -17 - draft-ietf-6lo-nfc-01 We are trying to gauge people's interests in participating at Yokohama even= t ! If you are planning to attending the ETSI 6lo plugfest, please let 6lo-ch= airs know by Monday, EoD Oct 5th, 2015. I'd like to facilitate a phone meeting discussing the plugtest event detai= ls with the event -coordinators. If you like to test any other 6lo documents that are not on this list, plea= se discuss on the mailing list. Successful test-event is the key for the completion of the protocol specifi= cation development. Thanks, -Samita --_000_ECA43DA70480A3498E43C3471FB2E1F022276523eusaamb103erics_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The registration link = :

http://www.etsi.org/news-ev= ents/events/1003-6lo-plugtests

 

-Samita

From: 6lo [mailto:6lo-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Samita Chakrabarti
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 5:47 PM
To: 6lo@ietf.org; 6tisch@ietf.org
Cc: Miguel Angel Reina Ortega (MiguelAngel.ReinaOrtega@etsi.org)
Subject: [6lo] 6lo plugtest Final Call : Please Read

 

Hello 6lo/6lowpan develop= ers:

 

The 6lo-Chairs are helpin= g ETSI plug fest team to co-ordinate  the planning for 1st = 6lo test event scheduled

at Yokohoma, Japan on 6th Nov -8th Nov. [ Friday – Sunday following IETF= ]

 

 

 

The event is free of char= ge but it REQUIRES registration for Planning and budget etc.

Please REGISTER ASAP if y= ou are planning to test  your implementation at Yokohama!

 

The test  plan is be= ing written by two 6lo experts: The scope is  :

 

Baseline documents: RFC49= 44, RFC6282, RFC6775

-       = ;   6lowpan – IEEE 802.15.4

-       = ;   draft-ietf-6lo-6lobac-02

-       = ;   draft-ietf-6lo-dect-ule-02

-       = ;   draft-ietf-6lo-btle -17

-       = ;   draft-ietf-6lo-nfc-01

 

 

We are trying to gauge pe= ople’s interests in participating at Yokohama event !

 

If you are planning to &n= bsp;attending the ETSI 6lo plugfest, please let  6lo-chairs  know= by Monday, EoD Oct 5th, 2015.

 

I’d like to facilit= ate a phone meeting discussing  the plugtest event details with the ev= ent –coordinators.

 

If you like to test any o= ther 6lo documents that are not on this list, please discuss on the mailing= list.

 

Successful test-event is = the key for the completion of the protocol specification development.<= /o:p>

 

Thanks,

-Samita

--_000_ECA43DA70480A3498E43C3471FB2E1F022276523eusaamb103erics_-- From nobody Mon Oct 5 04:26:19 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBFA91A92FE for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 5 Oct 2015 04:26:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.424 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.424 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, LOTS_OF_MONEY=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DrNYeMcAHXP4 for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 5 Oct 2015 04:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x236.google.com (mail-wi0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A6D11ABB19 for <6tisch@ietf.org>; Mon, 5 Oct 2015 04:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wicfx3 with SMTP id fx3so109517049wic.0 for <6tisch@ietf.org>; Mon, 05 Oct 2015 04:26:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=c+XkwIEO4MykWnkoPlos3BDtmCZyQSXxz37SP5lFJJQ=; b=hYPxf00Sqr/+NrYaxFTnpwdcipAm/qAqUugfEH1pE2hgbq1kV+x1DFV0kR2dUPkmbW UKKqR2jlLiIR7ka9uWYYZkkLIsNCw8HgUCZ53NAEW65fsRHo1ctFI1ju8jaii2HejQdx SIvOYjQ1aMKTD5bppQNb4qNuPjYgYHWS59+jkIjJS/DQMZr9EEHmNZQnxFzJZ2YtDGdD bRCIQcBHj/s4ogsxN4PU/dFf9V6q11euRZxa3j5yWTiwz0muuF8C+/lxdwXR1u9ADSc9 gS4tQsBWG5y58DO/2ExUyvA9Oh9airUhHlxiDnJm9soyfauYZ4wwlcAvotn2TyNpjONX SXTQ== X-Received: by 10.180.23.72 with SMTP id k8mr9116948wif.90.1444044375537; Mon, 05 Oct 2015 04:26:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: twatteyne@gmail.com Received: by 10.28.25.199 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Oct 2015 04:25:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Thomas Watteyne Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 13:25:55 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: RpSYpsxgg6Nu4NZG8EDs6puuobs Message-ID: To: "6tisch@ietf.org" <6tisch@ietf.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f83a2db0b4189052159c865 Archived-At: Subject: [6tisch] Agenda Webex 09 October 2015 X-BeenThere: 6tisch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss link layer model for Deterministic IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e, and impacts on RPL and 6LoWPAN such as resource allocation" <6tisch.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2015 11:26:19 -0000 --e89a8f83a2db0b4189052159c865 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 All, Below is the proposed agenda for the 6TiSCH call on Friday 09 October 2015. * Administrivia _[3min]_ * Agenda bashing * Minutes from Last meeting * draft-wang-6tisch-6top-sublayer _[30min]_ * status security drafts (Michael, Yoshi?) _[5min]_ * work needed on OTF _[10min]_ * status rechartering _[5min]_ * AOB _[2min]_ Propose any changes to the agenda by replying in this e-mail, or at the beginning of the call. Remember that this call will be recorded. Pascal & Thomas ---- Topic: 6TiSCH interim meeting Time: 7:00 am, Pacific Daylight Time (San Francisco, GMT-07:00) Meeting Number: 206 802 913 Meeting Password: sixtus ------------------------------------------------------- To start the online meeting ------------------------------------------------------- 1. Go to https://ciscosales.webex.com/ciscosales/j.php?ED=219615007&UID=481905242&PW=NZTRkNDAwOTE1&RT=MiMyMw%3D%3D 2. Log in to your account. 3. Click "Start Now". 4. Follow the instructions that appear on your screen. ---------------------------------------------------------------- ALERT:Toll-Free Dial Restrictions for (408) and (919) Area Codes ---------------------------------------------------------------- The affected toll free numbers are: (866) 432-9903 for the San Jose/Milpitas area and (866) 349-3520 for the RTP area. Please dial the local access number for your area from the list below: - San Jose/Milpitas (408) area: 525-6800 - RTP (919) area: 392-3330 ------------------------------------------------------- To join the teleconference only ------------------------------------------------------- 1. Dial into Cisco WebEx (view all Global Access Numbers at http://cisco.com/en/US/about/doing_business/conferencing/index.html 2. Follow the prompts to enter the Meeting Number (listed above) or Access Code followed by the # sign. San Jose, CA: +1.408.525.6800 RTP: +1.919.392.3330 US/Canada: +1.866.432.9903 United Kingdom: +44.20.8824.0117 India: +91.80.4350.1111 Germany: +49.619.6773.9002 Japan: +81.3.5763.9394 China: +86.10.8515.5666 To check whether you have the appropriate players installed for UCF (Universal Communications Format) rich media files, go to https://ciscosales.webex.com/ciscosales/systemdiagnosis.php http://www.webex.com CCM:+14085256800x206802913 --e89a8f83a2db0b4189052159c865 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
All,

Below is the proposed a= genda for the 6TiSCH call on Friday 09 October 2015.

* Administrivia _[3min]_
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 * Agenda bashing
<= div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 * Minutes from Last meeting
* draft-wang-6tisch= -6top-sublayer _[30min]_
* status security drafts (Michael, Yoshi= ?) _[5min]_
* work needed on OTF _[10min]_
* status rec= hartering _[5min]_
* AOB _[2min]_
=C2=A0
Prop= ose any changes to the agenda by replying in this e-mail, or at the beginni= ng of the call.

Remember that this call will be re= corded.

Pascal & Thomas

----

Topic: 6TiSCH interim meeting
Time: 7:00 am, Pacific Daylight Time (San Francisco, GMT-07:00= )
Meeting Number: 206 802 913
Meeting Password: sixtus<= /div>

--------------------------------------------------= -----
To start the online meeting
---------------------= ----------------------------------

2. Log in to your account.=
3. Click "Start Now".
4. Follow the instruct= ions that appear on your screen.

-----------------= -----------------------------------------------
ALERT:Toll-Free D= ial Restrictions for (408) and (919) Area Codes
-----------------= -----------------------------------------------

Th= e affected toll free numbers are: (866) 432-9903 for the San Jose/Milpitas = area and (866) 349-3520 for the RTP area.

Please d= ial the local access number for your area from the list below:
- = San Jose/Milpitas (408) area: 525-6800
- RTP (919) area: 392-3330=

-------------------------------------------------= ------
To join the teleconference only
----------------= ---------------------------------------

1. Dial in= to Cisco WebEx (view all Global Access Numbers at
2. = Follow the prompts to enter the Meeting Number (listed above) or Access Cod= e followed by the # sign.

San Jose, CA: +1.408.525= .6800 RTP: +1.919.392.3330
US/Canada: +1.866.432.9903 United King= dom: +44.20.8824.0117
India: +91.80.4350.1111 Germany: +49.619.67= 73.9002
Japan: +81.3.5763.9394 China: +86.10.8515.5666
=
To check whether you have the appropriate players installed = for UCF (Universal Communications Format) rich media files, go to https://ci= scosales.webex.com/ciscosales/systemdiagnosis.php

<= div>http://www.webex.com
CCM:+14085256800x206802913
--e89a8f83a2db0b4189052159c865-- From nobody Tue Oct 6 15:46:42 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D54F41A21B0 for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 6 Oct 2015 15:46:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.544 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.544 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, THIS_AD=1.922] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tTttUdv6jvap for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 6 Oct 2015 15:46:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x236.google.com (mail-wi0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE4471A21AB for <6tisch@ietf.org>; Tue, 6 Oct 2015 15:46:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wicfx3 with SMTP id fx3so187576091wic.1 for <6tisch@ietf.org>; Tue, 06 Oct 2015 15:46:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=mGcjowfkhHML+hg5K9eswErAS7GWmzStEt9l6Kb+qY8=; b=ML41vxHy5pdhGN+BeRBNGM+p4YXg8P6wK8v1W+8DkY7nmabLIem4fYVTvw73eCBoY0 JREvMADy+RTVmlwlJUWxKj6XUa/yQrYjlkcc9E6uHcH7pjso0uB+O/ClAQ7g0Xiiv9tH X357JfYuLkA1LCYQ1R2PrjSwSP5P1ATFWMdgAddEKdo93fx363U1IemVVsQBCmRWPn08 83NonbIwms+e18pPl07Dj7Cm+bDdzg6maxKaIDps64x0kuknYRDqnfEXmQrWMChbLjc4 yhIAnzDbGJDG5cjESb5Kyj0l6Z0n1XwGVlPsCK13QKRLHHP2Ke0odmMt/h/6SYVx3DQa skug== X-Received: by 10.180.211.8 with SMTP id my8mr18644152wic.21.1444171598277; Tue, 06 Oct 2015 15:46:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: twatteyne@gmail.com Received: by 10.28.25.199 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Oct 2015 15:46:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Thomas Watteyne Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 00:46:18 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: YOMX8zfZ4zwR2T7DTVV6q6KRs9A Message-ID: To: "6tisch@ietf.org" <6tisch@ietf.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c38e0e1c34d805217767d6 Archived-At: Subject: [6tisch] minutes OTF ad-hoc meeting, 2 October 2015 X-BeenThere: 6tisch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss link layer model for Deterministic IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e, and impacts on RPL and 6LoWPAN such as resource allocation" <6tisch.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2015 22:46:42 -0000 --001a11c38e0e1c34d805217767d6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 All, We had an ad-hoc meeting to discuss how to implement the action plan we identify at the last 6TiSCH Webex. While this ad-hoc meeting is not a 6TiSCH interim meeting, we believe it's important to post the minutes to the 6TiSCH ML. You can find a formatted version of the minutes below at https://bitbucket.org/6tisch/meetings/wiki/151002_webex_otf. Thomas ----- Minutes, 02 October 2015, ad-hoc meeting OTFPresent - Qin Wang - Thomas Watteyne - Maria Rita Palattella - Xavi Vilajosana - Diego Dujovne multiple slotframes - multiple slotframes? - 2 slotframe - 1 short for minimal (and joining) - 1 long for slotframe alocation using OTF - make sure priority is right - avoid the first - options for handling cells in two slotframes: - high/low priority on two slotframes. how is high/low? - prevent use of slot 0 in OTF slotframe - prevent use of all minimal slots in OTF slotframe\ - [Qin] difficult? - [Thomas] we are at 6top, we can. - [Xavi] as a rule for enforcing, maybe cannot put soft cell on top of hard cell? OTF protocol - coap ie has advantage of common interface for PCE and Distributed - coap ie relies in COMI which is slow. - for security is COSE which is slow too - Size of the packets is big. e.g 10 pkts to describe the schedule - Are these IEs header or payload IE? PAyload because we can encrypt proposal: Length sub -IE Type (short) [4b] version [4b] command field . enum for command and Response Code . [0] reserved . [1] add . [2] delete . [3] command received successfully . [4] system failure propose: num cells to allocate is inferred from sub IE lenght as each cell to allocate num of cells from the subset below to be allocated. list of cells (slotframeid,slot.offset (2B),ch.offset(2B) the answer is: Length sub -IE Type (short) . [1B] Response Code (from the same enum) . [n*4B] slotOffset+ChannelOffset security - at layer, since header IE, secured trough L2 mechanism - CCM * at app level? over UDP. very light weight. - 15.9 provides a containedr for KMP protocols. Does not define any specific KMP. Some proposals on the table EAP, etc... Big overhead. (10-12 packets) - Only requirement we want to address is K2 to be dynamic. interface out of time --001a11c38e0e1c34d805217767d6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
All,

We had an ad-hoc meeting to discus= s how to implement the action plan we identify at the last 6TiSCH Webex. Wh= ile this ad-hoc meeting is not a 6TiSCH interim meeting, we believe it'= s important to post the minutes to the 6TiSCH ML.

= You can find a formatted version of the minutes below at=C2=A0https://bitbucke= t.org/6tisch/meetings/wiki/151002_webex_otf.

T= homas


-----


Minutes, 02 October 2015, ad-hoc meeting OTF

Pr= esent

  • Qin Wang
  • Thomas Watteyne
  • Maria Rita Palattella
  • Xavi Vilajosana
  • Diego Dujovne

multiple sl= otframes

  • multiple slotframes?
    • 2 slotframe
      • 1 short for minimal (and joining)
      • 1 long for slotframe alocation using OTF
  • make sure priority is right
  • avoid the first
  • options for handling cells in two slotframes:
    • high/low priority on two slotframes.= how is high/low?
    • prevent use of slo= t 0 in OTF slotframe
    • prevent use of = all minimal slots in OTF slotframe\
      • [Qin] difficult?
      • [Thomas] we are at 6top, we can.
      • [X= avi] as a rule for enforcing, maybe cannot put soft cell on top of hard cel= l?

OTF protocol
  • coap ie has advantage of common interface for PCE and Distributed
  • coap ie relies in COMI which is slow.<= li style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">for security is COSE which is slow too
  • Size of the packets is big. e.g 10 pkt= s to describe the schedule
  • Are these= IEs header or payload IE? PAyload because we can encrypt

proposal:

Length   =20
sub -IE=20
Type (short)

[4b] version
[4b] command field
    . enum for command and Response Code
        . [0] reserved
        . [1] add
        . [2] delete
        . [3] command received successfully
        . [4] system failure

propose:=20
    num cells to allocate is inferred from sub IE lenght as each cell to al=
locate=20
    num of cells from the subset below to be allocated.
    list of cells (slotframeid,slot.offset (2B),ch.offset(2B)

the answer is:
      Length   =20
      sub -IE=20
      Type (short)
        . [1B] Response Code (from the same enum)
        . [n*4B] slotOffset+ChannelOffset

security

  • at layer, since header IE,= secured trough L2 mechanism
  • CCM * a= t app level? over UDP. very light weight.
  • 15.9 provides a containedr for KMP protocols. Does not define any spe= cific KMP. Some proposals on the table EAP, etc... Big overhead. (10-12 pac= kets)
  • Only requirement we want to ad= dress is K2 to be dynamic.

interface

=

out= of time


--001a11c38e0e1c34d805217767d6-- From nobody Tue Oct 6 15:46:44 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18FDA1A21AB for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 6 Oct 2015 15:46:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.544 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.544 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, THIS_AD=1.922] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sIqEQ5Ibr0NM for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 6 Oct 2015 15:46:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x232.google.com (mail-wi0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 079131A21AE for <6tisch@ietf.org>; Tue, 6 Oct 2015 15:46:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wicfx3 with SMTP id fx3so3623388wic.0 for <6tisch@ietf.org>; Tue, 06 Oct 2015 15:46:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=SFJtDn0seCJw5Fp5UBJel9dpSNjMnOKoCarvfkyWpOI=; b=ZH8tLi0gy6ZZdUEA0dzPzEVQzlOswg0d1ri3BzRhqcKkn9tAFLX0eDpqbk6LLt+r/o 8SlArCz/cF6UWuOHIUYVVGXHBc9652OnhyYpxq84ThuzOJlOvLEpjzwxMKSx5UIzdiHB kkdJ9u72myzNV7QSWEu+8Zz3L0ckGZvqkW3OWCNYlLEExyC3E6UxwAZ2KpM3pfYh9/3g /iZ5GGrPr/6SgIPo4yUzyoePf5fZ2GTYIXikwewZEkW46zXcOYmD9Nlw47YNXxNTPsBA 9Ma85Ud/VQOMspKMrQyj1z/rPmZfsfjOMCxGmW0SvFTEVVtiMf+QmdVXHbfN2+Sy46qJ 0CLQ== X-Received: by 10.180.23.72 with SMTP id k8mr248293wif.90.1444171599404; Tue, 06 Oct 2015 15:46:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: twatteyne@gmail.com Received: by 10.28.25.199 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Oct 2015 15:46:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Thomas Watteyne Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 00:46:19 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: uh0AWbTbc9B-H5bhzd4gpuGw1tw Message-ID: To: "6tisch@ietf.org" <6tisch@ietf.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f83a2db2d65ba0521776789 Archived-At: Subject: [6tisch] minutes OTF ad-hoc meeting, 5 October 2015 X-BeenThere: 6tisch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss link layer model for Deterministic IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e, and impacts on RPL and 6LoWPAN such as resource allocation" <6tisch.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2015 22:46:43 -0000 --e89a8f83a2db2d65ba0521776789 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 All, We had an ad-hoc meeting to discuss how to implement the action plan we identify at the last 6TiSCH Webex. While this ad-hoc meeting is not a 6TiSCH interim meeting, we believe it's important to post the minutes to the 6TiSCH ML. You can find a formatted version of the minutes below at https://bitbucket.org/6tisch/meetings/wiki/151005_webex_otf. Thomas ---- Minutes, 05 October 2015, ad-hoc meeting OTFPresent - Thomas Watteyne - Xavi Vilajosana - Diego Dujovne action items - Thomas to coordinate with WG (deadline: 6 Oct) - Xavi to coordinate with Qin and provides first draft (by Thursday) - Diego to coordinate with OTF authors about reorg minutes - we need draft by 19 Oct - vision - We have 6top Sublayer draft which is generic and defines the tools we have to operate - We have OTF OF (From now on OTF0) which defines the specific setup to make things work using the sublayer tools. - tentative organization draft - Overview . - The 6top Sublayer . role: . [remove?] The current document does not define how flows with multiple priorities are supported. Future extensions to this document might add support for multiple priorities. . maintaining (basic) cell usage statistics . monitoring and moving (soft) cells . there is Objective Function (OF) that takes care of: . maintains some statictics as needed . maintaining the bandwidth, even when the PDR of the link to a neighbor changes. This might include detecting cells which suffer from collision, and relocating them to a dfferent slotoffset/channeloffset location in the schedule. . increasing/decreasing the bandwidth according to the application needs. . protocol to add/remove cells to a neighbor. The OF uses this mechanism. . a mechanisms by which a neighbor node discovers the OF currently in use by the 6top sublayer (OCP ID or something like that -- see RPL DIO OCP RFC6550). - Hard/Soft Cells . IEEE802.15.4e defines some flags . 6top adds additional qualifiers of a cell (NOT strictly speaking flags) . soft cells: 6top Monitoring Process active on the cell, the 6top OF is allowed to relocate it . hard cells: 6top Monitoring Process NOT active, r/o mode. Exact useage not defined, left open for future use. hard cells can only be read - 6top-to-6top Communication Protocol . based on IEs . TODO: coordinate with IETF to allocate IE numbering space . discovery - Example Scenarios - IANA --e89a8f83a2db2d65ba0521776789 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
All,

We had an ad-hoc meeting to discus= s how to implement the action plan we identify at the last 6TiSCH Webex. Wh= ile this ad-hoc meeting is not a 6TiSCH interim meeting, we believe it'= s important to post the minutes to the 6TiSCH ML.

= You can find a formatted version of the minutes below at=C2=A0https://bitbucke= t.org/6tisch/meetings/wiki/151005_webex_otf.

T= homas

----

Minutes, 05 October 2015, ad-h= oc meeting OTF

Present

  • Thomas Watteyne
  • <= li style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Xavi Vilajosana
  • Diego Dujovne

action ite= ms

  • Thomas to coordinate with WG (deadline: 6 Oct)
  • Xavi to coordinate with Qin and provides first draft (by = Thursday)
  • Diego to coordinate with O= TF authors about reorg

minutes

  • we need = draft by 19 Oct
  • vision
    • We have 6top Sublayer draft w= hich is generic and defines the tools we have to operate
    • We have OTF OF (From now on OTF0) which defines the sp= ecific setup to make things work using the sublayer tools.
  • tentative organization draft
- Overview
    .=20
- The 6top Sublayer
    . role:
        . [remove?] The current document does not define how flows with mul=
tiple priorities are supported. Future extensions to this document might ad=
d support for multiple priorities.
        . maintaining (basic) cell usage statistics
        . monitoring and moving (soft) cells
        . there is Objective Function (OF) that takes care of:
            . maintains some statictics as needed
            . maintaining the bandwidth, even when the PDR of the link to a=
 neighbor changes. This might include detecting cells which suffer from col=
lision, and relocating them to a dfferent slotoffset/channeloffset location=
 in the schedule.
            . increasing/decreasing the bandwidth according to the applicat=
ion needs.
    . protocol to add/remove cells to a neighbor. The OF uses this mechanis=
m.
    . a mechanisms by which a neighbor node discovers the OF currently in u=
se by the 6top sublayer (OCP ID or something like that -- see RPL DIO OCP R=
FC6550).
- Hard/Soft Cells
    . IEEE802.15.4e defines some flags
    . 6top adds additional qualifiers of a cell (NOT strictly speaking flag=
s)
    . soft cells: 6top Monitoring Process active on the cell, the 6top OF i=
s allowed to relocate it
    . hard cells: 6top Monitoring Process NOT active, r/o mode. Exact useag=
e not defined, left open for future use.
    hard cells can only be read
- 6top-to-6top Communication Protocol
    . based on IEs
    . TODO: coordinate with IETF to allocate IE numbering space
    . discovery
- Example Scenarios
- IANA
--e89a8f83a2db2d65ba0521776789-- From nobody Wed Oct 7 09:47:41 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D8051B2DF5 for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 7 Oct 2015 09:47:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DY49XUc99S09 for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 7 Oct 2015 09:47:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com [173.37.86.79]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 161421B2BC2 for <6tisch@ietf.org>; Wed, 7 Oct 2015 09:47:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=6563; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1444236436; x=1445446036; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=Bbq3z5tzMYs7yh4dSWsBcPuWiewIcF1SZnUxENvvf9A=; b=fKjnYy0AZgXg8vFRnFoUiwRGbgT1HZsSW8N8PLM71+enAT6Eo5jWJtYj NnrXFqInww5dQMHGUWfHLMnN/ScIZjmkToHazrV6ptWEWFyLfoybyF5bV jJxUTczgozwdsVBy9pjCuNHuM3grF1Kj7X+O6m5lcFCjQBE6eAfMZ2AqO E=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0A9BQCdSxVW/40NJK1egyeBSLZniD+GGoFDPBABAQEBAQEBfwuEKQQ6NgkSARokQhcPAQQKBA2IJsIkAQEBAQEFAQEBAQEBHIZziR0FEApPhDUFhziOTQGGPoZRgV6EOZVmATgrhAKHFEOBBgEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.17,650,1437436800"; d="scan'208";a="33493208" Received: from alln-core-8.cisco.com ([173.36.13.141]) by rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com with ESMTP; 07 Oct 2015 16:47:15 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com (xch-aln-001.cisco.com [173.36.7.11]) by alln-core-8.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t97GlEEv027745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Oct 2015 16:47:15 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com (173.37.102.11) by XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com (173.36.7.11) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Wed, 7 Oct 2015 11:47:14 -0500 Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) by XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.000; Wed, 7 Oct 2015 11:47:14 -0500 From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" To: "6tisch@ietf.org" <6tisch@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: charter 2.00 Thread-Index: AdEBFmNzNr1o6ffORDCrsLr2/MuCsw== Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 16:47:00 +0000 Deferred-Delivery: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 15:45:55 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.61.213.81] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: Thomas Watteyne Subject: [6tisch] charter 2.00 X-BeenThere: 6tisch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss link layer model for Deterministic IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e, and impacts on RPL and 6LoWPAN such as resource allocation" <6tisch.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2015 16:47:18 -0000 Dear all: Please find below the result of our discussions on the new charter. Our goal is to conclude the adoption of the text at the call on Friday And ship it to the IESG. Fire at will! " 6TiSCH: "IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e". Background/Introduction: ------------------------ Low-power and Lossy Networks (LLNs) interconnect a possibly large number=20 of resource-constrained nodes to form a wireless mesh network. The=20 6LoWPAN, ROLL and CoRE IETF Working Groups have defined protocols at=20 various layers of the protocol stack, including an IPv6 adaptation=20 layer, a routing protocol and a web transfer protocol. This protocol=20 stack has been used with IEEE802.15.4 low-power radios. The Timeslotted Channel Hopping (TSCH) mode was introduced in 2012 as an=20 amendment to the Medium Access Control (MAC) portion of the IEEE802.15.4=20 standard. TSCH is the emerging standard for industrial automation and=20 process control LLNs, with a direct inheritance from WirelessHART and=20 ISA100.11a. Defining IPv6 over TSCH, 6TiSCH is a key to enable the=20 further adoption of IPv6 in industrial standards and the convergence of=20 Operational Technology (OT) with Information Technology (IT). The nodes in a IEEE802.15.4 TSCH network communicate by following a=20 Time Division Multiple Access (TDMA) schedule. A timeslot in this=20 schedule provides a unit of bandwidth that is allocated for=20 communication between neighbor nodes. The allocation can be programmed=20 such that the predictable transmission pattern matches the traffic. This=20 avoids idle listening, and extends battery lifetime for constrained=20 nodes. Channel-hopping improves reliability in the presence of narrow- band interference and multi-path fading. These techniques enable a new range of use cases for LLNs, including: - Control loops in a wireless process control network, in which high reliability and a fully deterministic behavior are required. - Service Provider networks transporting data from different independent clients, and for which an operator needs flow isolation and traffic=20 shaping. - Networks comprising energy harvesting nodes, which require an=20 extremely low and predictable average power consumption. IEEE802.15.4 only defines the link-layer mechanisms. It does not define=20 how the network communication schedule is built and matched to the=20 traffic requirements of the network. Description of Working Group: ----------------------------- The Working Group will focus on enabling IPv6 over the TSCH mode of the IEEE802.15.4 standard. The extent of the problem space for the WG is=20 one or more LLNs, eventually federated through a common backbone link=20 via one or more LLN Border Routers (LBRs). The WG will rely on, and if=20 necessary extend, existing mechanisms for authenticating LBRs. Initially, the WG has limited its scope to distributed routing over a=20 static schedule using the Routing Protocol for LLNs (RPL) on the resulting network. This new charter allows for the dynamic allocation of cells and their exchange between adjacent peers to accommodate the available bandwidt= h to the variations of throughput in IP traffic.=20 The WG will continue working on securing the join process and making that f= it within the constraints of high latency, low throughput and small frame size= s that characterize IEEE802.15.4 TSCH. Additionally, IEEE802.15.4 TSCH being a deterministic MAC, it is envisioned= =20 that 6TiSCH will benefit from the work of detnet WG to establish the so-cal= led deterministic tracks. The group will define the objects and methods that ne= eds to be configured, and provide the associated requirements to detnet. The WG will interface with other appropriate groups in the IETF=20 Internet, Operations and Management, Routing and Security areas. Work Items: ----------- The group will: 1. Produce "6TiSCH architecture" to describe the design of 6TiSCH=20 networks. This document will highlight the different architectural=20 blocks and signaling flows, including the operation of the network in=20 the presence of multiple LBRs. The existing document will be augmented to cover dynamic scheduling and application of the DetNet work. 2. Produce an Information Model containing the management requirements=20 of a 6TiSCH node. This includes describing how an entity can manage the=20 TSCH schedule on a 6TiSCH node, and query timeslot information from that=20 node. MAC-layer interactions to negotiate Time Slots between peers will be proposed, to be eventually continued at IEEE. 3. Produce an "On-the-fly" specification to enable a distributed dynamic scheduling of time slots for IP traffic, with the capability for IoT router= s to appropriate chunks of the matrix without starving, or interfering with, other 6TiSCH nodes. 4. Produce a specification for a secure 6TiSCH network bootstrap, adapted to the constraints of 6TiSCH nodes and leveraging existing art when possibl= e. 5. Produce requirements to the detnet WG, detailing the 6TiSCH tracks and t= he data models to manipulate them from a central controller such as a PCE. The work will include a best practice configuration for RPL and OF0=20 operation over the static schedule. Based on that experience the group=20 may produce a requirements draft for OF0 extensions, to be studied in ROLL. Non-milestone work items: ------------------------- The Working Group may maintain a number of running, often-respun=20 documents, that evolve as the technology is refined for work items that=20 do not affect the milestone work items: - Interop sustaining guides: these document would carry such information as packet captures and disambiguation of language from external standards to help interop tests such as PlugTests and PlugFests. - implementers guide: this document will collect clarifying information=20 based on input from implementers, in particular as it becomes available=20 from interoperability events. This guide will contain information about=20 test harnesses used for interoperability testing. - coexistence guide: this document will provide information on how=20 6TiSCH can be operated in an environment shared with other protocols=20 that use the same or a similar TSCH MAC, and/or operate on the same=20 frequency band. The WG will welcome requirements for dynamic timeslot operation, for=20 example for centralized schedule computation. 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IT and OT don't necessarily need to converge. They do however need to e= asily integrate. 2. Not all communication must be explicitly allocate to a particular node. = Please refer to ISA100.11a for such an example. Regards, Pat -----Original Message----- From: 6tisch [mailto:6tisch-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pascal Thubert (= pthubert) Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 12:47 PM To: 6tisch@ietf.org Cc: Thomas Watteyne Subject: [6tisch] charter 2.00 Dear all: Please find below the result of our discussions on the new charter. Our goal is to conclude the adoption of the text at the call on Friday And = ship it to the IESG. Fire at will! " 6TiSCH: "IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e". Background/Introduction: ------------------------ Low-power and Lossy Networks (LLNs) interconnect a possibly large number of= resource-constrained nodes to form a wireless mesh network. The 6LoWPAN, R= OLL and CoRE IETF Working Groups have defined protocols at various layers o= f the protocol stack, including an IPv6 adaptation layer, a routing protoco= l and a web transfer protocol. This protocol stack has been used with IEEE8= 02.15.4 low-power radios. The Timeslotted Channel Hopping (TSCH) mode was introduced in 2012 as an am= endment to the Medium Access Control (MAC) portion of the IEEE802.15.4 stan= dard. TSCH is the emerging standard for industrial automation and process c= ontrol LLNs, with a direct inheritance from WirelessHART and ISA100.11a. De= fining IPv6 over TSCH, 6TiSCH is a key to enable the further adoption of IP= v6 in industrial standards and the convergence of Operational Technology (O= T) with Information Technology (IT). The nodes in a IEEE802.15.4 TSCH network communicate by following a Time Di= vision Multiple Access (TDMA) schedule. A timeslot in this schedule provide= s a unit of bandwidth that is allocated for communication between neighbor = nodes. The allocation can be programmed such that the predictable transmiss= ion pattern matches the traffic. This avoids idle listening, and extends ba= ttery lifetime for constrained nodes. Channel-hopping improves reliability = in the presence of narrow- band interference and multi-path fading. These techniques enable a new range of use cases for LLNs, including: - Control loops in a wireless process control network, in which high reliab= ility and a fully deterministic behavior are required. - Service Provider networks transporting data from different independent cl= ients, and for which an operator needs flow isolation and traffic shaping. - Networks comprising energy harvesting nodes, which require an extremely l= ow and predictable average power consumption. IEEE802.15.4 only defines the link-layer mechanisms. It does not define how= the network communication schedule is built and matched to the traffic req= uirements of the network. Description of Working Group: ----------------------------- The Working Group will focus on enabling IPv6 over the TSCH mode of the IEEE802.15.4 standard. The extent of the problem space for the WG is one or= more LLNs, eventually federated through a common backbone link via one or = more LLN Border Routers (LBRs). The WG will rely on, and if necessary exten= d, existing mechanisms for authenticating LBRs. Initially, the WG has limited its scope to distributed routing over a stati= c schedule using the Routing Protocol for LLNs (RPL) on the resulting netwo= rk. This new charter allows for the dynamic allocation of cells and their e= xchange between adjacent peers to accommodate the available bandwidth to th= e variations of throughput in IP traffic.=20 The WG will continue working on securing the join process and making that f= it within the constraints of high latency, low throughput and small frame s= izes that characterize IEEE802.15.4 TSCH. Additionally, IEEE802.15.4 TSCH being a deterministic MAC, it is envisioned= that 6TiSCH will benefit from the work of detnet WG to establish the so-ca= lled deterministic tracks. The group will define the objects and methods th= at needs to be configured, and provide the associated requirements to detne= t. The WG will interface with other appropriate groups in the IETF Internet, O= perations and Management, Routing and Security areas. Work Items: ----------- The group will: 1. Produce "6TiSCH architecture" to describe the design of 6TiSCH networks.= This document will highlight the different architectural blocks and signal= ing flows, including the operation of the network in the presence of multip= le LBRs. The existing document will be augmented to cover dynamic schedulin= g and application of the DetNet work. 2. Produce an Information Model containing the management requirements of a= 6TiSCH node. This includes describing how an entity can manage the TSCH sc= hedule on a 6TiSCH node, and query timeslot information from that node. MAC= -layer interactions to negotiate Time Slots between peers will be proposed,= to be eventually continued at IEEE. 3. Produce an "On-the-fly" specification to enable a distributed dynamic sc= heduling of time slots for IP traffic, with the capability for IoT routers = to appropriate chunks of the matrix without starving, or interfering with, = other 6TiSCH nodes. 4. Produce a specification for a secure 6TiSCH network bootstrap, adapted t= o the constraints of 6TiSCH nodes and leveraging existing art when possible= . 5. Produce requirements to the detnet WG, detailing the 6TiSCH tracks and t= he data models to manipulate them from a central controller such as a PCE. The work will include a best practice configuration for RPL and OF0 operati= on over the static schedule. Based on that experience the group may produce= a requirements draft for OF0 extensions, to be studied in ROLL. Non-milestone work items: ------------------------- The Working Group may maintain a number of running, often-respun documents,= that evolve as the technology is refined for work items that do not affect= the milestone work items: - Interop sustaining guides: these document would carry such information as= packet captures and disambiguation of language from external standards to = help interop tests such as PlugTests and PlugFests. - implementers guide: this document will collect clarifying information bas= ed on input from implementers, in particular as it becomes available from i= nteroperability events. This guide will contain information about test harn= esses used for interoperability testing. - coexistence guide: this document will provide information on how 6TiSCH c= an be operated in an environment shared with other protocols that use the s= ame or a similar TSCH MAC, and/or operate on the same frequency band. The WG will welcome requirements for dynamic timeslot operation, for exampl= e for centralized schedule computation. 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relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C1263A811C; Thu, 8 Oct 2015 10:53:51 +0200 (CEST) To: Rafa Marin Lopez From: Alexander Pelov Message-ID: <56162F1A.5020503@ackl.io> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 10:53:46 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: 6tisch@ietf.org, ace@ietf.org Subject: [6tisch] Optimizing EAP-over-CoAP payload X-BeenThere: 6tisch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss link layer model for Deterministic IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e, and impacts on RPL and 6LoWPAN such as resource allocation" <6tisch.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2015 08:53:56 -0000 Dear Rafa, I've been reading the latest version of your draft ( draft-marin-ace-wg-coap-eap-01.txt ), and I have a couple of questions regarding some of the payload options, which could be optimized even further: 1) Use shorter name for the /auth resource 2) Mandate the use of zero-length CoAP token The first, and the more simple one, is - would it be possible to change the name of the authentication resource from /auth to a shorter one (like /a)? Maybe it could be an option to change the name of this resource, based on the underlaying architecture, e.g. an RFC could mandate that in a specific network the resource could be named /a, whereas the default value could remain /auth? The second, which is a little bit more subtle. Tokens are used to match responses to requests, but during the authentication/authorization phase a single peer (endpoint) would communicate with a single authenticator. Moreover, the communication happens in a serial fashion, and responses are piggybacked. This falls in the case when zero-length token is also advised by RFC7252. Do you think that it would be appropriate to make the use of zero-length token mandatory for EAP-over-CoAP? 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-------------------------------------------------- 0.00 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message Archived-At: Cc: Thomas Watteyne Subject: Re: [6tisch] charter 2.00 X-BeenThere: 6tisch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss link layer model for Deterministic IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e, and impacts on RPL and 6LoWPAN such as resource allocation" <6tisch.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2015 15:18:06 -0000 --_000_988A85FFFC503944A7588C70D4A6F11752D3329FNABESITEInterDi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Pascal, Thanks for the good write-up. I had a quick review and some points the grou= p has discussed and kind of agreed are not captured in "charter 2.0". For e= xample, "3. Produce an "On-the-fly" specification to enable a distributed dynamic s= cheduling of time slots for IP traffic, with the capability for IoT routers= to appropriate chunks of the matrix without starving, or interfering with,= other 6TiSCH nodes." There were email discussions on removing "for IP traffic" and you agreed as= well. Thanks, Chonggang -----Original Message----- From: 6tisch [mailto:6tisch-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pascal Thubert (= pthubert) Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 12:47 PM To: 6tisch@ietf.org Cc: Thomas Watteyne Subject: [6tisch] charter 2.00 Dear all: Please find below the result of our discussions on the new charter. Our goal is to conclude the adoption of the text at the call on Friday And = ship it to the IESG. Fire at will! " 6TiSCH: "IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e". Background/Introduction: ------------------------ Low-power and Lossy Networks (LLNs) interconnect a possibly large number of= resource-constrained nodes to form a wireless mesh network. The 6LoWPAN, R= OLL and CoRE IETF Working Groups have defined protocols at various layers o= f the protocol stack, including an IPv6 adaptation layer, a routing protoco= l and a web transfer protocol. This protocol stack has been used with IEEE8= 02.15.4 low-power radios. The Timeslotted Channel Hopping (TSCH) mode was introduced in 2012 as an am= endment to the Medium Access Control (MAC) portion of the IEEE802.15.4 stan= dard. TSCH is the emerging standard for industrial automation and process c= ontrol LLNs, with a direct inheritance from WirelessHART and ISA100.11a. De= fining IPv6 over TSCH, 6TiSCH is a key to enable the further adoption of IP= v6 in industrial standards and the convergence of Operational Technology (O= T) with Information Technology (IT). The nodes in a IEEE802.15.4 TSCH network communicate by following a Time Di= vision Multiple Access (TDMA) schedule. A timeslot in this schedule provide= s a unit of bandwidth that is allocated for communication between neighbor = nodes. The allocation can be programmed such that the predictable transmiss= ion pattern matches the traffic. This avoids idle listening, and extends ba= ttery lifetime for constrained nodes. Channel-hopping improves reliability = in the presence of narrow- band interference and multi-path fading. These techniques enable a new range of use cases for LLNs, including: - Control loops in a wireless process control network, in which high reliab= ility and a fully deterministic behavior are required. - Service Provider networks transporting data from different independent cl= ients, and for which an operator needs flow isolation and traffic shaping. - Networks comprising energy harvesting nodes, which require an extremely l= ow and predictable average power consumption. IEEE802.15.4 only defines the link-layer mechanisms. It does not define how= the network communication schedule is built and matched to the traffic req= uirements of the network. Description of Working Group: ----------------------------- The Working Group will focus on enabling IPv6 over the TSCH mode of the IEEE802.15.4 standard. The extent of the problem space for the WG is one or= more LLNs, eventually federated through a common backbone link via one or = more LLN Border Routers (LBRs). The WG will rely on, and if necessary exten= d, existing mechanisms for authenticating LBRs. Initially, the WG has limited its scope to distributed routing over a stati= c schedule using the Routing Protocol for LLNs (RPL) on the resulting netwo= rk. This new charter allows for the dynamic allocation of cells and their e= xchange between adjacent peers to accommodate the available bandwidth to th= e variations of throughput in IP traffic. The WG will continue working on securing the join process and making that f= it within the constraints of high latency, low throughput and small frame s= izes that characterize IEEE802.15.4 TSCH. Additionally, IEEE802.15.4 TSCH being a deterministic MAC, it is envisioned= that 6TiSCH will benefit from the work of detnet WG to establish the so-ca= lled deterministic tracks. The group will define the objects and methods th= at needs to be configured, and provide the associated requirements to detne= t. The WG will interface with other appropriate groups in the IETF Internet, O= perations and Management, Routing and Security areas. Work Items: ----------- The group will: 1. Produce "6TiSCH architecture" to describe the design of 6TiSCH networks.= This document will highlight the different architectural blocks and signal= ing flows, including the operation of the network in the presence of multip= le LBRs. The existing document will be augmented to cover dynamic schedulin= g and application of the DetNet work. 2. Produce an Information Model containing the management requirements of a= 6TiSCH node. This includes describing how an entity can manage the TSCH sc= hedule on a 6TiSCH node, and query timeslot information from that node. MAC= -layer interactions to negotiate Time Slots between peers will be proposed,= to be eventually continued at IEEE. 3. Produce an "On-the-fly" specification to enable a distributed dynamic sc= heduling of time slots for IP traffic, with the capability for IoT routers = to appropriate chunks of the matrix without starving, or interfering with, = other 6TiSCH nodes. 4. Produce a specification for a secure 6TiSCH network bootstrap, adapted t= o the constraints of 6TiSCH nodes and leveraging existing art when possible= . 5. Produce requirements to the detnet WG, detailing the 6TiSCH tracks and t= he data models to manipulate them from a central controller such as a PCE. The work will include a best practice configuration for RPL and OF0 operati= on over the static schedule. Based on that experience the group may produce= a requirements draft for OF0 extensions, to be studied in ROLL. Non-milestone work items: ------------------------- The Working Group may maintain a number of running, often-respun documents,= that evolve as the technology is refined for work items that do not affect= the milestone work items: - Interop sustaining guides: these document would carry such information as= packet captures and disambiguation of language from external standards to = help interop tests such as PlugTests and PlugFests. - implementers guide: this document will collect clarifying information bas= ed on input from implementers, in particular as it becomes available from i= nteroperability events. This guide will contain information about test harn= esses used for interoperability testing. - coexistence guide: this document will provide information on how 6TiSCH c= an be operated in an environment shared with other protocols that use the s= ame or a similar TSCH MAC, and/or operate on the same frequency band. The WG will welcome requirements for dynamic timeslot operation, for exampl= e for centralized schedule computation. " Pascal _______________________________________________ 6tisch mailing list 6tisch@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6tisch --_000_988A85FFFC503944A7588C70D4A6F11752D3329FNABESITEInterDi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Pascal,

 

Thanks for the good write-up. I had a quick revie= w and some points the group has discussed and kind of agreed are not captur= ed in "charter 2.0". For example,

 

"3. Produce an "On-the-fly" specif= ication to enable a distributed dynamic scheduling of time slots for IP traffic, with the capability for IoT routers to appropriate c= hunks of the matrix without starving, or interfering with, other 6TiSCH nod= es."

 

There were email discussions on removing “<= b>for IP traffic” and you agreed as well.

 

Thanks,

Chonggang

 

-----Original Message-----

From: 6tisch [mailto:6tisch-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of Pascal Thubert (pthubert)

Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 12:47 PM

To: 6tisch@ietf.org

Cc: Thomas Watteyne <watteyne@eecs.berkeley.ed= u>

Subject: [6tisch] charter 2.00

 

Dear all:

 

Please find below the result of our discussions o= n the new charter.

Our goal is to conclude the adoption of the text = at the call on Friday And ship it to the IESG. Fire at will!

 

 

"

6TiSCH: "IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802= .15.4e".

 

Background/Introduction:

------------------------

 

Low-power and Lossy Networks (LLNs) interconnect = a possibly large number of resource-constrained nodes to form a wireless me= sh network. The 6LoWPAN, ROLL and CoRE IETF Working Groups have defined pro= tocols at various layers of the protocol stack, including an IPv6 adaptation layer, a routing protocol and a web tr= ansfer protocol. This protocol stack has been used with IEEE802.15.4 low-po= wer radios.

 

The Timeslotted Channel Hopping (TSCH) mode was i= ntroduced in 2012 as an amendment to the Medium Access Control (MAC) portio= n of the IEEE802.15.4 standard. TSCH is the emerging standard for industria= l automation and process control LLNs, with a direct inheritance from WirelessHART and ISA100.11a. Defining IPv6 = over TSCH, 6TiSCH is a key to enable the further adoption of IPv6 in indust= rial standards and the convergence of Operational Technology (OT) with Info= rmation Technology (IT).

 

The nodes in a IEEE802.15.4 TSCH network communic= ate by following a Time Division Multiple Access (TDMA) schedule. A timeslo= t in this schedule provides a unit of bandwidth that is allocated for commu= nication between neighbor nodes. The allocation can be programmed such that the predictable transmission patter= n matches the traffic. This avoids idle listening, and extends battery life= time for constrained nodes. Channel-hopping improves reliability in the pre= sence of narrow- band interference and multi-path fading.

 

These techniques enable a new range of use cases = for LLNs, including:

- Control loops in a wireless process control net= work, in which high reliability and a fully deterministic behavior are requ= ired.

- Service Provider networks transporting data fro= m different independent clients, and for which an operator needs flow isola= tion and traffic shaping.

- Networks comprising energy harvesting nodes, wh= ich require an extremely low and predictable average power consumption.

 

IEEE802.15.4 only defines the link-layer mechanis= ms. It does not define how the network communication schedule is built and = matched to the traffic requirements of the network.

 

Description of Working Group:

-----------------------------

 

The Working Group will focus on enabling IPv6 ove= r the TSCH mode of the

IEEE802.15.4 standard. The extent of the problem = space for the WG is one or more LLNs, eventually federated through a common= backbone link via one or more LLN Border Routers (LBRs). The WG will rely = on, and if necessary extend, existing mechanisms for authenticating LBRs.

 

Initially, the WG has limited its scope to distri= buted routing over a static schedule using the Routing Protocol for LLNs (R= PL) on the resulting network. This new charter allows for the dynamic alloc= ation of cells and their exchange between adjacent peers to accommodate the available bandwidth to the varia= tions of throughput in IP traffic.

 

The WG will continue working on securing the join= process and making that fit within the constraints of high latency, low th= roughput and small frame sizes that characterize IEEE802.15.4 TSCH.

 

Additionally, IEEE802.15.4 TSCH being a determini= stic MAC, it is envisioned that 6TiSCH will benefit from the work of detnet= WG to establish the so-called deterministic tracks. The group will define = the objects and methods that needs to be configured, and provide the associated requirements to detnet.<= /o:p>

 

The WG will interface with other appropriate grou= ps in the IETF Internet, Operations and Management, Routing and Security ar= eas.

 

Work Items:

-----------

 

The group will:

 

1. Produce "6TiSCH architecture" to des= cribe the design of 6TiSCH networks. This document will highlight the diffe= rent architectural blocks and signaling flows, including the operation of t= he network in the presence of multiple LBRs. The existing document will be augmented to cover dynamic scheduling and ap= plication of the DetNet work.

 

2. Produce an Information Model containing the ma= nagement requirements of a 6TiSCH node. This includes describing how an ent= ity can manage the TSCH schedule on a 6TiSCH node, and query timeslot infor= mation from that node. MAC-layer interactions to negotiate Time Slots between peers will be proposed, to be eventually c= ontinued at IEEE.

 

3. Produce an "On-the-fly" specificatio= n to enable a distributed dynamic scheduling of time slots for IP traffic, = with the capability for IoT routers to appropriate chunks of the matrix wit= hout starving, or interfering with, other 6TiSCH nodes.

 

4. Produce a specification for a secure 6TiSCH ne= twork bootstrap, adapted to the constraints of 6TiSCH nodes and leveraging = existing art when possible.

 

5. Produce requirements to the detnet WG, detaili= ng the 6TiSCH tracks and the data models to manipulate them from a central = controller such as a PCE.

 

 

The work will include a best practice configurati= on for RPL and OF0 operation over the static schedule. Based on that experi= ence the group may produce a requirements draft for OF0 extensions, to be s= tudied in ROLL.

 

Non-milestone work items:

-------------------------

 

The Working Group may maintain a number of runnin= g, often-respun documents, that evolve as the technology is refined for wor= k items that do not affect the milestone work items:

- Interop sustaining guides: these document would= carry such information as packet captures and disambiguation of language f= rom external standards to help interop tests such as PlugTests and PlugFest= s.

- implementers guide: this document will collect = clarifying information based on input from implementers, in particular as i= t becomes available from interoperability events. This guide will contain i= nformation about test harnesses used for interoperability testing.

- coexistence guide: this document will provide i= nformation on how 6TiSCH can be operated in an environment shared with othe= r protocols that use the same or a similar TSCH MAC, and/or operate on the = same frequency band.

 

The WG will welcome requirements for dynamic time= slot operation, for example for centralized schedule computation.

"

 

 

Pascal

 

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FS_REPLICA=0.994, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RELAY_IS_203=0.994, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IJua9qXhQiWk for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 02:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.iisc.ernet.in (relay.iisc.ernet.in [203.200.35.65]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E425E1B323B for <6tisch@ietf.org>; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 02:44:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ece.iisc.ernet.in (www.ece.iisc.ernet.in [10.32.1.10]) by relay.iisc.ernet.in (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id t999iZ5Y018986; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 15:14:35 +0530 Received: from [10.32.14.64] ([10.32.14.64]) by ece.iisc.ernet.in (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id t999jurJ014975; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 15:15:56 +0530 Message-ID: <56178C83.5080408@ece.iisc.ernet.in> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2015 15:14:35 +0530 From: "S.V.R.Anand" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" , "6tisch@ietf.org" <6tisch@ietf.org> References: <5616627B.5060007@ece.iisc.ernet.in> In-Reply-To: <5616627B.5060007@ece.iisc.ernet.in> X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <5616627B.5060007@ece.iisc.ernet.in> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-IISc-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner-ID: t999iZ5Y018986 X-IISc-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-IISc-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-1.899, required 6.5, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -1.90, URIBL_BLOCKED 0.00) X-IISc-MailScanner-From: anand@ece.iisc.ernet.in Archived-At: Subject: [6tisch] On draft-thubert-6tisch-4detnet-01 : Packet replication and elimination X-BeenThere: 6tisch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss link layer model for Deterministic IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e, and impacts on RPL and 6LoWPAN such as resource allocation" <6tisch.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2015 09:44:51 -0000 Hi Pascal, Thanks a lot for the excellent draft-thubert-6tisch-4detnet-01.txt draft. It was a thoroughly enjoyable read! In this rather lengthy mail, I tried to put together some of the thoughts related to the Packet Replication and Elimination part of the draft. Hope you will find the below text interesting. Read on. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ PRP is a very promising concept that is nice and simple, but nevertheless needs special attention in its implementation when we have to ensure the stringent requirements of the Detnet charter. You have already noted this point in your response mail. 1) The PCE and PRE-process interaction is going to play significant role if we consider the fact that the listener is going to be one or more heterogeneous L2 networks away beyond 6tisch. The PCE is going to be stingy by allocating only part of the total time budget for 6tisch for flows! Of course, this stress will be felt by all the participating transit L2 networks from talker to listener. 2) Though it might sound out of scope of the draft, it is important to recognize that the key requirement for effective operation of PRP is the infrastructure support, wherein adequate of BBRs and their placement are crucial to satisfy the delay bounds and providing high reliability. The infrastructure deployment is not going to be one-time activity any more since the addition of new application flows, changes in the QoS requirements, sensors, and so on call for its upgrade. 3) With reference to the following para in the draft, "At each 6TiSCH hop along the Track, the PCE may schedule more than one timeSlot for a packet, so as to support Layer-2 retries (ARQ). It is also possible that the field device only uses the second branch if sending over the first branch fails." interestingly we worked on very similar idea of reacting to link failures and implemented a mechanism on Contiki/RPL, we call LinkPeek. ("Link Peek: A Link Outage Resilient IP Packet Forwarding Mechanism for 6LoWPAN/RPL Based Low-Power and Lossy Networks (LLNs)", IEEE MS-2015. URL : http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpls/abs_all.jsp?arnumber=7226673) The reactive/conditional replication offers the benefit of supporting more flows with high PDRs. The delay goes up with the number of parents being explored, and per-parent re-transmit count. The side-effect of this additional delay is the increase in the packet backlog, which can lead to buffer overflows. The choice of this approach is therefore application specific that are delay tolerant. The 802.1 TSN group might have reservations! 4) The pro-active/unconditional replication certainly gives a sense of comfort since packets simultaneously travel over multiple tracks. Since we could end up being conservative, it could limit the numer of flows that can supported. So, here too PCE has to find ways of optimally utilizing the resources. The PCE in collaboration with NME and collection point can decide on (i) the depth from where the replication can be initiated, and ii) the degree of replication that is appropriate and set up tracks and bundles. The collection point, for instance, can indicate to the PCE about the quality of the tracks based on the packets that are consumed from tracks, and so on. 5) The functionality at the collection point is going to be crucial since it has to perform the tasks of minimizing the waiting time of the missing packets and reduce jitter buffer delays as the packets arrive from different tracks. As mentioned in 1) above, the amount of delay that is permitted needs to come from PCE and application requirements. In this context, we might want to ask, can collection point be allowed to give out-of-sequence packets to the listener in order to minimize delays ? If jitter delay is going to be significant, are we in danger of hurting end application ? Not sure if we are going to introduce separate sequence numbering for PRP. Thanks for your patience! Will be very happy to have your inputs. Anand -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From nobody Fri Oct 9 03:02:21 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 879A41A6FE5; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 03:02:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R3zt8Q5lTowP; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 03:02:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.86.74]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C4561A6FC4; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 03:02:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=368; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1444384937; x=1445594537; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=R2FnktKFLu9D1pqQRg8hvDwCxnqrdi1Brfwi2/RSEfE=; b=P6dGBgVz6CQzY3abx10h271O9IrkSb++4rpKBffauiwDQ9eGwItJ/v28 8SuQYW4NE3QfFLOImHGfp3nc5WBP4zipIHAdRLOi5f7BTjKu+f2mho/W9 gwk2SeuAtzub/RjPRMKs2M+/+O9MH3s6fTcHSsAS+eW9zwjKfBEf8n8se A=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0CTAgDzjxdW/5tdJa1egyaBSLk3hCIBDYFagxOCCn8CgUY4FAEBAQEBAQGBCoQnAQEEHVwQAgEIRjIlAQEEAQ0NiCbDLwEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAReGc4R+hQ0HhC4BBI0KOoUNgz0BjRGBX4Q6lWwBHwEBQoQCh1WBBgEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.17,657,1437436800"; d="scan'208";a="39463422" Received: from rcdn-core-4.cisco.com ([173.37.93.155]) by rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Oct 2015 10:02:16 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com (xch-aln-001.cisco.com [173.36.7.11]) by rcdn-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t99A2G2G019102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Oct 2015 10:02:16 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com (173.37.102.11) by XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com (173.36.7.11) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 05:02:14 -0500 Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) by XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.000; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 05:02:13 -0500 From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" To: "6tisch@ietf.org" <6tisch@ietf.org>, "6tisch-security@ietf.org" <6tisch-security@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: Call for presentation 6TISCH WG @ IETF 94 Thread-Index: AdD9Gtol4zLpXVBqTwmX70m0OTQNkAFXmTWg Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 10:01:23 +0000 Deferred-Delivery: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 10:01:16 +0000 Message-ID: <556481042ea949e5b988fc7e9a72725f@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> References: <57e0a069bd8f492184491c1d1c8fc830@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <57e0a069bd8f492184491c1d1c8fc830@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.55.22.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "6tisch-chairs@ietf.org" <6tisch-chairs@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [6tisch] Call for presentation 6TISCH WG @ IETF 94 X-BeenThere: 6tisch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss link layer model for Deterministic IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e, and impacts on RPL and 6LoWPAN such as resource allocation" <6tisch.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2015 10:02:18 -0000 Dear all=A0: As we discussed at the interim last week, we are calling for presentations = to put together the 6TiSCH agenda for Yokohama. If you are interested with a slot please let the chairs (cc) know: - Name of presenter - Draft if any - Desired duration for the soot - Need for a remote presentation Thanks in advance! for the chairs, Pascal From nobody Fri Oct 9 03:04:50 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 616F61A873B for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 03:04:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BGBHR7OGZsN3 for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 03:04:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com [173.37.86.80]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0801E1A8713 for <6tisch@ietf.org>; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 03:04:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2815; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1444385088; x=1445594688; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=4tlPtHYTaW2jFp4TNcHdHbHy4Fg6JbkqMzHEpVcpxPs=; b=HC/Fbv76wydIPXyxYhuLFUn2wVD7dz6Kxt8GPSnxfwtqMmXHLbCQoAno cj6Kd4jambV0WrpPzmvjc6DPkhoJLeNKBwGRvakY648I0tzEy5mc3rjfP Jut1+2RTRv+w9BO0ZTzQuyOR/6CSTcKihAnguH82BReKxqeef/foBAoS2 M=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0AkAgDakBdW/5xdJa1egllNVHS9WwENgVohgnKCCn+BSDgUAQEBAQEBAX8LhC0tXgEMdB8HAQQbiCYNnxWkDQEBAQEBBQEBAQEBAQEXBIZzigeEOQWWEgGFGId6gV+EOpVsAR8BAUKEAodVgQYBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos; i="5.17,657,1437436800"; d="scan'208,217"; a="34078463" Received: from rcdn-core-5.cisco.com ([173.37.93.156]) by rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Oct 2015 10:04:47 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-005.cisco.com (xch-aln-005.cisco.com [173.36.7.15]) by rcdn-core-5.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t99A4kts009740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for <6tisch@ietf.org>; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 10:04:47 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com (173.37.102.11) by XCH-ALN-005.cisco.com (173.36.7.15) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 05:04:45 -0500 Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) by XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.000; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 05:04:44 -0500 From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" To: "6tisch@ietf.org" <6tisch@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: online charter draft Thread-Index: AdECeZG9g+Gk2iO7QDWWpzwcf7qhBg== Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 10:04:23 +0000 Deferred-Delivery: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 10:03:54 +0000 Message-ID: <36bf01ea8a494ae9bbfb51aa7df1d185@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.55.22.4] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_36bf01ea8a494ae9bbfb51aa7df1d185XCHRCD001ciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [6tisch] online charter draft X-BeenThere: 6tisch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss link layer model for Deterministic IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e, and impacts on RPL and 6LoWPAN such as resource allocation" <6tisch.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2015 10:04:49 -0000 --_000_36bf01ea8a494ae9bbfb51aa7df1d185XCHRCD001ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all: Please note that the latest version of the draft charter v2.0 is online at https://bitbucket.org/6tisch/meetings/wiki/charter2 cheers, Pascal --_000_36bf01ea8a494ae9bbfb51aa7df1d185XCHRCD001ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear all:

 

Please note that the latest version of the draft cha= rter v2.0 is online at

 

https://bitbucket.org/6tisch/meetings/wiki/charter2

 

cheers,

 

Pascal

--_000_36bf01ea8a494ae9bbfb51aa7df1d185XCHRCD001ciscocom_-- From nobody Fri Oct 9 06:45:53 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C18991B3E91 for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 06:45:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.637 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.637 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DEAR_SOMETHING=1.973, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0V4-LGkBFIQ3 for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 06:45:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outbound.etsi.org (outbound.etsi.org [195.238.226.43]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 03DF81B3E8F for <6tisch@ietf.org>; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 06:45:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from XMAIL.etsihq.org (172.27.1.75) by xMail.etsihq.org (172.27.1.75) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1130.7; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 15:45:47 +0200 Received: from XMAIL.etsihq.org ([172.27.1.75]) by xMail.etsihq.org ([172.27.1.75]) with mapi id 15.00.1130.005; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 15:45:47 +0200 From: Miguel Angel Reina Ortega To: "6tisch@ietf.org" <6tisch@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: =?Windows-1252?Q?ETSI_CL15=5F3234:_Call_for_technical_expertise_for_the_2?= =?Windows-1252?Q?nd_6TiSCH_Plugtests=99_?= Thread-Index: AdECjgN9jBzMG4nyTRS/tsxZaZhkIAACjddw Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 13:45:47 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.7.6.15] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_ff0c0f476b324763a91aa7fedc0cd2eexMailetsihqorg_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [6tisch] =?windows-1252?q?FW=3A_ETSI_CL15=5F3234=3A_Call_for_tech?= =?windows-1252?q?nical_expertise_for_the_2nd_6TiSCH_Plugtests=99?= X-BeenThere: 6tisch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss link layer model for Deterministic IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e, and impacts on RPL and 6LoWPAN such as resource allocation" <6tisch.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2015 13:45:52 -0000 --_000_ff0c0f476b324763a91aa7fedc0cd2eexMailetsihqorg_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, Let me forward you the Call for Expertise that has been recently sent out f= rom ETSI for the upcoming 2nd 6TiSCH Plugtests that will be held from 2nd t= o 4th February 2016 in Paris. This Call for Expertise is password protected (for ETSI members) but its co= ntent is copied into the email body below. Should you have any question, do not hesitate to contact me directly. An invitation letter will also be sent very soon for those of you who will = to participate in this 6TiSCH Plugtests. This invitation letter will provid= e Plugtests registration opening and deadline as well as other details rela= ted to this event. Best regards. ------------------------------------------- Miguel A. Reina Ortega Technical Expert Centre for Testing and Interoperability (CTI) ETSI tel: +33 (0)4 92 94 43 49 mob: +33 (0)6 76 73 60 99 fax: +33 (0)4 93 65 47 16 web: http://www.etsi.org From: Jeanne Lancry-Gulino Sent: 09 October 2015 2:36 PM To: CL-DISPATCH Cc: SEC [ETSI Secretariat Distribution List]; STFs [All active STF experts] Subject: ETSI CL15_3234: Call for technical expertise for the 2nd 6TiSCH Pl= ugtests=99 The complete file (and annexes if any) of this Collective Letter can be dow= nloaded at the following location: http://docbox.etsi.org/C_Letter/CL2015/C= L15_3234_Call_for_Expertise_for_6TiSCH_2_Plugtests.doc To: ETSI MEMBERS, OBSERVERS AND COUNSELLORS Subject: Call for technical expertise for the 2nd 6TiSCH Plugtests=99 Dear Madam, Dear Sir, ETSI=92s Centre for Testing and Interoperability (CTI) is organizing the 2n= d 6TiSCH (IPv6 over the Timeslotted Channel Hopping mode of IEEE 802.15.4e)= Plugtests=99. This event will be held from 02-04 February 2016 in Paris, F= rance and will be hosted by Inria. This event has the support of the newly = created IP6 ISG (IPv6 Internet Protocol version 6 Industry Specification Gr= oup). This Plugtests=99 event will focus on assessing the interoperability of dif= ferent implementations of distributed scheduling in TSCH (Timeslotted Chann= el Hopping) networks. ETSI is looking to recruit technical expertise to support and conduct this = event. Experts will be required to help with: =95 Development of interoperability tests =95 Technical preparation of the event =95 Technical support during the event pertaining to 6TiSCH specific= ations =95 Compilation of event report and roadmap for future events The applicant should have practical experience in working with the 6TiSCH a= nd IEEE 802.15.4e technologies and should be familiar with ETSI interoperab= ility testing methodology. Working experience in interoperability testing, = as well as technical aspects surrounding the organization of interoperabili= ty events, would be an advantage. Applications should be sent to Plugtests@etsi.org no later than 23rd October 2015. The subject of the email should be: 6TiS= CH#2 Plugtests =96 Call for expertise. Yours faithfully, Luis Jorge Romero Saro Director-General NOTE: ETSI Collective Letters are sent to: =95 Official Contacts of Full/Associate Members, Observers, Counsel= lors =95 Board members, TB/WG officials and Active Rapporteurs TB/WG/Voting Officials and Active Rapporteurs may OPT-OUT from receiving Co= llectives Letters. To do so, please send an email to Jeanne.Lancry-Gulino@e= tsi.org requesting this option --_000_ff0c0f476b324763a91aa7fedc0cd2eexMailetsihqorg_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear all, <= /span>

 

Let me forward you the= Call for Expertise that has been recently sent out from ETSI for the upcom= ing 2nd 6TiSCH Plugtests that will be held from 2nd t= o 4th February 2016 in Paris.

 

This Call for Expertis= e is password protected (for ETSI members) but its content is copied into t= he email body below.

 

Should you have any qu= estion, do not hesitate to contact me directly.

 

An invitation letter w= ill also be sent very soon for those of you who will to participate in this= 6TiSCH Plugtests. This invitation letter will provide Plugtests registrati= on opening and deadline as well as other details related to this event.

 

Best regards. <= span style=3D"color:#1F497D">

 

------= -------------------------------------

Mi= guel A. Reina Ortega

Techn= ical Expert

Centre for Testing and Interoperability (CTI)

ETSI

 <= /span>

tel:    +33 (0)4 92 94 43 49=

mob: +33 (0)6 76 73 60 99

fax:    +33 (0)4 93 65 47 16

web: http://www.etsi.org

 

From: Jeanne L= ancry-Gulino
Sent: 09 October 2015 2:36 PM
To: CL-DISPATCH
Cc: SEC [ETSI Secretariat Distribution List]; STFs [All active STF e= xperts]
Subject: ETSI CL15_3234: Call for technical expertise for the 2nd 6T= iSCH Plugtests=99

 

The complete file (and annexes = if any) of this Collective Letter can be downloaded at the following locati= on: http://docbox.etsi.org/C_Letter/CL2015/CL15_3234_Call_for_Expertise_for_6Ti= SCH_2_Plugtests.doc

<= o:p> 

T= o:      &n= bsp;       ETSI MEMBERS, OBSERVERS AND COUNSE= LLORS=

S= ubject:     Call for technical expertise for the 2nd 6TiSCH = Plugtests=99

 

Dear Madam,

Dear Sir,

 

ETSI=92s Centre for Testing and Interoperability (CTI) is organizing the = 2nd 6TiSCH (IPv6 over the Timeslotted Channel Hopping mode of IE= EE 802.15.4e) Plugtests=99. This event will be held from 02-04 February 2016 in Paris, France and will be hosted by In= ria. This event has the support of the newly created IP6 ISG (IPv6 Internet= Protocol version 6 Industry Specification Group).

 

This Plugtests=99 event will focus on assessing the = interoperability of different implementations of distributed scheduling in = TSCH (Timeslotted Channel Hopping) networks.

 

ETSI is looking to recruit tech= nical expertise to support and conduct this event. Experts will be required= to help with:

 

=B7        Development of interoperability tests

=B7        Technical preparation of the event

=B7        Technical support during the event pertaining t= o 6TiSCH specifications

=B7        Compilation of event report and roadmap for future events

 

The applicant should have pract= ical experience in working with the 6TiSCH and IEEE 802.15.4e technologies = and should be familiar with ETSI interoperability testing methodology. Work= ing experience in interoperability testing, as well as technical aspects surrounding the organization of interoperabil= ity events, would be an advantage.

 

Applicatio= ns should be sent to Plugtests@etsi.org no later than = 23rd October 2015. The subject of the email should be: 6TiSCH#2 = Plugtests =96 Call for expertise.

 

Yours faithfully,

 

 

Luis Jorge Romero Saro

Director-General

 

 

NOTE: ETSI Collective Letters are sent to:

=B7      =    Offici= al Contacts of Full/Associate Members, Observers, Counsellors

=B7      =    Board = members, TB/WG officials and Active Rapporteurs

TB/WG/Voting Officials and Active Rapporteurs may OPT-OUT from re= ceiving Collectives Letters. To do so, please send an email to Jeanne.Lancry-Gulino@etsi.org requesting this option<= /i>

 

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+0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.91.2.208] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_F085911F642A6847987ADA23E611780D1D124B0Bhoshiunilux_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "6tisch@ietf.org" <6tisch@ietf.org> Subject: [6tisch] non-milestone work item on Plugtests X-BeenThere: 6tisch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss link layer model for Deterministic IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e, and impacts on RPL and 6LoWPAN such as resource allocation" <6tisch.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2015 15:13:01 -0000 --_000_F085911F642A6847987ADA23E611780D1D124B0Bhoshiunilux_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Pascal, As discussed during the call, what about this sentence to include in the ch= arter for mentioning the 6TiSCH Plugtests? The Working Group will develop 6TiSCH Test Description documents which will= be updated as the technology evolves, and will be used for running interop= erability events, under ETSI support (i.e., 6TiSCH ETSI Plugtests). Such do= cuments will be helpful for implementers, providing details and clarificati= ons, needed for running code, and implementing the 6TiSCH technology. Each = document may address specific 6TiSCH features, in scope of the specific Plu= gtest's edition. It summarized and specify more what we had before in two items. What do you= think? Thank you! Maria Rita --_000_F085911F642A6847987ADA23E611780D1D124B0Bhoshiunilux_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Pas= cal,

As dis= cussed during the call, what about this sentence to include in the charter = for mentioning the 6TiSCH Plugtests?

The Wo= rking Group will develop 6TiSCH Test Description documents which will be up= dated as the technology evolves, and will be used for running interoperability events, under ETSI support (i.e., 6TiSCH ETSI= Plugtests). Such documents will be helpful for implementers, providing det= ails and clarifications, needed for running code, and implementing the 6TiS= CH technology. Each document may address specific 6TiSCH features, in scope of the specific Plugtest’= s edition.

It sum= marized and specify more what we had before in two items. What do you think= ?

Thank = you!

Maria = Rita

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X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.55.22.4] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_0fdad81748894c88912926019dc10d55XCHRCD001ciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "6tisch@ietf.org" <6tisch@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [6tisch] non-milestone work item on Plugtests X-BeenThere: 6tisch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss link layer model for Deterministic IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e, and impacts on RPL and 6LoWPAN such as resource allocation" <6tisch.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2015 15:45:55 -0000 --_000_0fdad81748894c88912926019dc10d55XCHRCD001ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This looks great Maria Rita: I used this text to replace the content of the non-milestone section. If someone disagrees, please speak up now! Cheers, Pascal From: 6tisch [mailto:6tisch-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Maria Rita PALAT= TELLA Sent: vendredi 9 octobre 2015 17:13 To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) Cc: 6tisch@ietf.org Subject: [6tisch] non-milestone work item on Plugtests Hi Pascal, As discussed during the call, what about this sentence to include in the ch= arter for mentioning the 6TiSCH Plugtests? The Working Group will develop 6TiSCH Test Description documents which will= be updated as the technology evolves, and will be used for running interop= erability events, under ETSI support (i.e., 6TiSCH ETSI Plugtests). Such do= cuments will be helpful for implementers, providing details and clarificati= ons, needed for running code, and implementing the 6TiSCH technology. Each = document may address specific 6TiSCH features, in scope of the specific Plu= gtest's edition. It summarized and specify more what we had before in two items. What do you= think? Thank you! 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This looks great Maria= Rita:

 

I used this text to re= place the content of the non-milestone section.

If someone disagrees, = please speak up now!

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Cheers,

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Pascal

 

From: 6tisch [mailto:6tisch-bounces@ietf.org]= On Behalf Of Maria Rita PALATTELLA
Sent: vendredi 9 octobre 2015 17:13
To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com>
Cc: 6tisch@ietf.org
Subject: [6tisch] non-milestone work item on Plugtests

 

Hi Pas= cal,

As dis= cussed during the call, what about this sentence to include in the charter = for mentioning the 6TiSCH Plugtests?

The Wo= rking Group will develop 6TiSCH Test Description documents which will be up= dated as the technology evolves, and will be used for running interoperability events, under ETSI support (i.e., 6TiSCH ETSI= Plugtests). Such documents will be helpful for implementers, providing det= ails and clarifications, needed for running code, and implementing the 6TiS= CH technology. Each document may address specific 6TiSCH features, in scope of the specific Plugtest’= s edition.

It sum= marized and specify more what we had before in two items. What do you think= ?

Thank = you!

Maria = Rita

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--_000_0fdad81748894c88912926019dc10d55XCHRCD001ciscocom_-- From nobody Fri Oct 9 08:48:56 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 679F91B44BD for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 08:48:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vosjqqNGvauZ for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 08:48:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com [173.37.86.72]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B47E71B44BC for <6tisch@ietf.org>; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 08:48:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=4352; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1444405732; x=1445615332; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=Byat/mwM7u/VARMn4xcyBHLDr0MFowTi6s6uWUyXRbU=; b=VaVCzB+8geFYq2Hvp9C6iNk55PvXsnlAw2wKfh3Slrd9C+9/ZdoykhZj ZRQ40RMT3ywWelDqo01V7/yoyqGZOpZOBh3BfdLXfvpOdLMnN9rX3elHR WCr/dlDd4TcyN3hiRzrOLoUJNyKM2/cvGie67QRoV/otSIThK4VoVNfYc I=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0A7BgBO4RdW/4gNJK1egllNVHS9boFagxOCCoJGOhIBAQEBAQEBfwuELS1eAQx0JgEEG4gmn2mkCQEBAQEGAQEBAQEBARuCUYQijkAFlhIBjRKBX4x/hGCIRwEoBDeEAodVgQYBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos; i="5.17,658,1437436800"; d="scan'208,217"; a="39904470" Received: from alln-core-3.cisco.com ([173.36.13.136]) by rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 09 Oct 2015 15:48:51 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-002.cisco.com (xch-aln-002.cisco.com [173.36.7.12]) by alln-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t99FmpmH008467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for <6tisch@ietf.org>; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 15:48:51 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com (173.37.102.11) by XCH-ALN-002.cisco.com (173.36.7.12) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 10:48:48 -0500 Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) by XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.000; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 10:48:48 -0500 From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" To: "6tisch@ietf.org" <6tisch@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: OTF: IP or not IP? Thread-Index: AdECqW8fPVUUcck7Q36O2xtUZk9N9A== Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 15:48:45 +0000 Deferred-Delivery: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 15:48:03 +0000 Message-ID: <197177af4dd145889c61c7e283f708ee@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.55.22.4] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_197177af4dd145889c61c7e283f708eeXCHRCD001ciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [6tisch] OTF: IP or not IP? X-BeenThere: 6tisch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss link layer model for Deterministic IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e, and impacts on RPL and 6LoWPAN such as resource allocation" <6tisch.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2015 15:48:54 -0000 --_000_197177af4dd145889c61c7e283f708eeXCHRCD001ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all: Following up on the comments at the interim, My suggestion is to update ite= m 3 as follows: 3. Produce an "On-the-fly" (OTF) specification to enable a distributed dyna= mic scheduling of time slots with the capability for IoT routers to appropriate chunks of the matrix without starving, or interfering with, other 6TiSCH no= des. This particular work will focus on IP traffic since the work on tracks is n= ot yet advanced enough to specify their requirements for OTF operations. I remove the 'for IP traffic' within the main text to indicate that the ini= tial focus is N IP traffic but I hope that now it is more clear that future work on track= s is not precluded. Does that address the comment? Cheers, Pascal --_000_197177af4dd145889c61c7e283f708eeXCHRCD001ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear all:

 

Following up on the comments at the interim, My sugg= estion is to update item 3 as follows:

 

 

3. Produce an “On-the-fly" (OTF) specific= ation to enable a distributed dynamic

scheduling of time slots with the capability for IoT= routers to appropriate

chunks of the matrix without starving, or interferin= g with, other 6TiSCH nodes.

This particular work will focus on IP traffic since = the work on tracks is not

yet advanced enough to specify their requirements fo= r OTF operations.

 

I remove the ‘for IP traffic’ within the= main text to indicate that the initial focus is

N IP traffic but I hope that now it is more clear th= at future work on tracks is not precluded.

Does that address the comment?

 

Cheers,

 

Pascal

 

--_000_197177af4dd145889c61c7e283f708eeXCHRCD001ciscocom_-- From nobody Fri Oct 9 08:53:22 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4F221B44F9 for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 08:53:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 75Ol_fqFRB1J for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 08:53:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p3plsmtpa11-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.107]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 606DD1B44F7 for <6tisch@ietf.org>; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 08:53:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.162] ([50.158.195.176]) by p3plsmtpa11-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id T3tK1r0043opgZu013tKSX; Fri, 09 Oct 2015 08:53:20 -0700 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_EF3EFBDB-2FEC-48AC-B210-476C3C2DA2FE" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) From: Pat Kinney In-Reply-To: <197177af4dd145889c61c7e283f708ee@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 10:53:18 -0500 Message-Id: References: <197177af4dd145889c61c7e283f708ee@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> To: Thubert Pascal X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) Archived-At: Cc: "6tisch@ietf.org" <6tisch@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [6tisch] OTF: IP or not IP? X-BeenThere: 6tisch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss link layer model for Deterministic IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e, and impacts on RPL and 6LoWPAN such as resource allocation" <6tisch.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2015 15:53:22 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_EF3EFBDB-2FEC-48AC-B210-476C3C2DA2FE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Pascal; I agree with your change, but I wonder why we need to consider only IoT = routers? Shouldn=E2=80=99t we removed the IoT constraint? Pat Pat Kinney Kinney Consulting LLC IEEE 802.15 WG vice chair, SC chair ISA100 co-chair, ISA100.20 chair O: +1.847.960.3715 pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com = On 9, Oct2015, at 10:48, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) = wrote: Dear all: =20 Following up on the comments at the interim, My suggestion is to update = item 3 as follows: =20 =20 3. Produce an =E2=80=9COn-the-fly" (OTF) specification to enable a = distributed dynamic scheduling of time slots with the capability for IoT routers to = appropriate chunks of the matrix without starving, or interfering with, other 6TiSCH = nodes. This particular work will focus on IP traffic since the work on tracks = is not yet advanced enough to specify their requirements for OTF operations. =20 I remove the =E2=80=98for IP traffic=E2=80=99 within the main text to = indicate that the initial focus is N IP traffic but I hope that now it is more clear that future work on = tracks is not precluded. Does that address the comment? =20 Cheers, =20 Pascal =20 _______________________________________________ 6tisch mailing list 6tisch@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6tisch --Apple-Mail=_EF3EFBDB-2FEC-48AC-B210-476C3C2DA2FE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Pascal;

I = agree with your change, but I wonder why we need to consider only IoT = routers?  Shouldn=E2=80=99t we removed the IoT = constraint?

Pat

Pat = Kinney
Kinney = Consulting LLC
IEEE 802.15 WG vice chair, = SC chair
ISA100 co-chair, ISA100.20 chair
O: +1.847.960.3715
=

On 9, Oct2015, at 10:48, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) = <pthubert@cisco.com> wrote:

Dear all:

 

Following up on the = comments at the interim, My suggestion is to update item 3 as = follows:

 

 

3. Produce an = =E2=80=9COn-the-fly" (OTF) specification to enable a distributed = dynamic

scheduling of = time slots with the capability for IoT routers to appropriate

chunks of the matrix without = starving, or interfering with, other 6TiSCH nodes.

This particular work will = focus on IP traffic since the work on tracks is not

yet advanced enough to = specify their requirements for OTF operations.

 

I remove the =E2=80=98for IP traffic=E2=80=99 within = the main text to indicate that the initial focus is

N IP traffic but I hope that = now it is more clear that future work on tracks is not precluded.

Does that address the = comment?

 

Cheers,

 

Pascal

 

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6tisch@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6tisch

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Dear all :

 

ChongGang pointed out that the charter text for item= 3 (OTF) was not specific that we address L2 peer operation, not and end to= end reservation ala RSVP.

 

I modified item 3 again as follwos:

 

 

3. Produce an “On-the-fly" (OTF) specific= ation to enable a distributed dynamic

scheduling of time slots, negotiated between adjacen= t peers, with the capability

for IoT routers to appropriate chunks of the Time/fr= equency matrix without

starving, or interfering with, other 6TiSCH nodes.

This particular work will focus on IP traffic since = the work on tracks is not

yet advanced enough to specify their requirements fo= r OTF operations.

 

What do you think?

 

Pascal

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Note: time are PST Meeting info * Date: 09 October, 7AM Pacific, 2PM UTC * Timezones: http://www.worldtimebuddy.com/?qm=3D1&lid=3D100,12,5392171= &h=3D100&date=3D2015-9-25&sln=3D14-15 * Webex link: https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/j.php?MTID=3Dmd64a0958= ae4154c0553f056bf42b756a * Meeting number: 203 137 703 * Meeting password: sixtus * Audio connection: * +1-866-432-9903 Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada) * 0120.312271 Japan Toll -Free Taking notes (using Etherpad) 1. Xavi Vilajosana 2. Pascal Thubert 3. Thomas Watteyne Action Items * Xavi: reduce the space for unmanaged OFTF authors to meet and decide = how to * Pascal to clarify that item 3 is definining P2P 1-hop operation * Malisa to send 3 security methods to ML Present (alphabetically) 1. Pascal Thubert 2. Thomas Watteyne 3. ChongGang Wang 4. Diego Dujovne 5. Guillaume Gaillard 6. Malisa Vucinic 7. Maria Rita Palattella 8. Michael Richardson 9. Michel Weillette 10. Nicola Accettura 11. Pat Kinney 12. Prashant Jhingran 13. Qin Wang 14. Randy Turner 15. Rene Struik 16. S.V.R. Anand 17. Savio Sciancalepore 18. Sedat Gormus 19. S.V.R. Anand 20. Tengfei Chang 21. Tom Phinney 22. Xavi Vilajosana 23. Zhuo Chen Agenda * Administrivia [3min] * Agenda bashing * Minutes from Last meeting * draft-wang-6tisch-6top-sublayer [30min] * status security drafts (Michael, Yoshi?) [5min] * work needed on OTF [10min] * status rechartering [5min] * AOB [2min] Resources * Webex meeting: https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/j.php?MTID=3Dmd64a0= 958ae4154c0553f056bf42b756a * Webex recording: https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/lsr.php?RCID=3D93= b5fd5d1e5e4eb59c3ce4cf46273a1a * Wiki: https://bitbucket.org/6tisch/meetings/wiki/150925_webex * Slides: https://bitbucket.org/6tisch/meetings/src/master/150925_webex= /slides_150925_webex.ppt Minutes * [07.06] Meeting starts * Thomas goes through Note Well * [07.06] Agenda bashing * Approve agenda. * No issues raised. Agenda approved. * Approval of the minutes last call. * No issues raised. Minutes approved. * draft-minimal is shipped to IESG, congrats to Xavi and Kris * Yokohama agenda published * 6tisch meeting on Thursday afternoon * Announcing 2nd 6tisch plugtest in 2-4 Feb 2016, Paris * [07.08] Sublayer draft * Xavi Vilajosana: Just republished. The sublayer offers mechanism t= o allocate nodes on a distributed way but the policy to do that is kept sep= aate. * New terms defined, incliding Objective Function with an identif= ier to enable multiple. * 6top protocol is a messaging protocol to allocate cells between= peers. * simple protocols * Presenting the protocol stack. request proposes a number of cel= ls and response provides the ones selected. * new draft presents messages and packet formats in a fashion sim= ilar to 15.4 information elements * interesting is that each message has an op code indicating comm= and and response-code * list of cells are described by channel offset / slot offset * OTF is one possible Objective function. Codes would be allocate= d by IANA * Pascal Thubert: is the intelligence only on the requester? * Thomas Watteyne: there is a minimum intelligence on the receiver s= ince it manages at least collisions. * Pat Kinney: On unmanaged. I undertsand that they can be used witho= ut being assigned. You probably want a lot less than 128 unmanaged. Maybe 2= or 3 for experimentations. * Thomas Watteyne: agree let us have an action item * Zhuo Chen: asking clarification on the 2 dslot frames * Xavi Vilajosana: We have 2 slot frames. The first is for minimal. = The second is managed by 6top and that is where slots installed by 6top wil= l be. There may be other slotframes. * Thomas Watteyne: This is an example that guarantees that we have b= andwidth to boot with minimal. * Simple for interop. But just an example that is recommended. Th= e OF would define this. * Nicola: is there a requirement of the slotframe relative sizes * Thomas Watteyne: You can always figure when slotframe 0 is talking= so no * Nicola: Why term OF? anything ot optimize * Thomas Watteyne: No, name mimics RPL, maybe not the right thing * Nicola: Why 2 bytes for slot offset? * Thomas Watteyne: Comes from 4e to enable other PHYs * Pat Kinney: agreed with Thomas. The standards guarantees that lowe= st slot frame has prority * Thomas Watteyne: Yes, collision will cause slotframe 1 to loose an= opportunity to send to it looks bad * draft says we want a group ID and a payload. Asking Pat if we c= an get an IE, a subIE or something assigner to us or IETF. Hiw can we get t= hat? * Pat Kinney: understands and agrees. This requires a letter from IA= NA to Bob Heile. * I see enormous advantage for a group ID to be assigned. We ned = to start communicating on this one * Thomas Watteyne: will talk between chairs and follow up with IANA * Xavi Vilajosana: Suggest to associate an OF number to the OTF draf= t * Diego: we'll meet and will discuss renaming. I agree * Randy Turner: the term is used a lot. Make sure it is the correct = term. People might have assumptions * Pascal Thubert: also disagree with the 6 that has a very wide scop= e. Should narrow to 6TiSCH * Thomas: Aggressive deadlines for interop in February; We need to s= tabilize 6top and OTF by end 2015 to enable coding the stuff. * [07.08] Security draft * Michael not joined yet * [07.42] Rechartering * Pascal summarize * removed the "e" in 802.15.4e o added 3 new work items: * OTF * secure bootstrap * define what a track is and DETNET requirements o we don't want to distract the work on OTF, but for the people who don't= work on OTF. * Pascal thanks Anand for review of 6tisch-4detnet o Idea is to push the new charter rapidly * WG chairs and AD will work on new charter * charter is contract with IESG, milestone and non milestone documen= ts. o Interop guidelines and useful sustaining documents. o Question in the Charter. "For IP traffic". Pascal votes to maintain IP = traffic in opposition to remove IP. o It is safe to keep the OTF activity close to the IP routing. * PAT: suggests to add a footnote. Non-ip traffic is not precluded f= rom that effort in the future. (aiming to support other types of traffic) * Pascal: we want to say that for the time being we work on IP traff= ic. This does not imply that we will not work on other types of traffic in = the future. * PAT: Agrees, he is worried about people thinking that the affirmat= ion restricts other types of traffic. * ChongGang: Limited to the IP traffic? I think the work can be appl= ied to both IP and non-ip traffic. * Also clarify that the operation we target is one-hop, that is hop = by hop negotiation. * Maria Rita: suggests to remove the paragraph at the end but let a = little text indicating that we will participate/support interop events. Rem= ove some details as it is too long. * Pascal: if we charter to do the security work do we we have a crit= ical masss in the security working team to move forward on that? * Rene: not immediately but in 3month time or so he can try to recha= rt the sub group. * Michael RIchardson: are we going to have a phone conference the 23= rd of October. If so I can join it and discuss about the new activity in th= e join process. * Pascal: suggest to close the security ML and move discussion at th= e ML. * Michael agrees * Malisa: the WG is divided in different directions. It is not that = the group is not finding the right work force. * Michael: Ask Malisa to send an email to the ML indicating the 3 se= curity approaches he sees. * Malisa agrees. * [07.52] AOB Chonggang: track requirement, detnet requirements. Can you give some more a= dvice on how to move forward? He send an email about that. Can we move forw= ard. Action: pascal to review the draft and push to move this forward. Mali= sa: quite some discussions between security, not problem of workforce, but = agree on direction Michael: please send to ML * [08.00] Meeting ends --_000_1661c87837ee45e7ab742c888ee8a111XCHRCD001ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

October 2015 interim, 6TiSCH WG

Note: time are PST

Meeting info

Taking notes (us= ing Etherpad)

  1. Xavi Vilajosana
  2. Pascal Thubert
  3. Thomas Watteyne

Action Items

  • Xavi: reduce the space for unmanaged OFTF authors to meet and decide how to=
  • Pascal to clarify that item 3 is definining P2P 1-hop operation<= /li>
  • Malisa to send 3 security methods to ML

Present (alphabetical= ly)

  1. Pascal Thubert
  2. Thomas Watteyne
  3. ChongGang Wang
  4. Diego Dujovne
  5. Guillaume Gaillard
  6. Malisa Vucinic
  7. Maria Rita Palattella
  8. Michael Richardson
  9. Michel Weillette
  10. Nicola Accettura
  11. Pat Kinney
  12. Prashant Jhingran
  13. Qin Wang
  14. Randy Turner
  15. Rene Struik
  16. S.V.R. Anand
  17. Savio Sciancalepore
  18. Sedat Gormus
  19. S.V.R. Anand
  20. Tengfei Chang
  21. Tom Phinney
  22. Xavi Vilajosana
  23. Zhuo Chen

Agenda

  • Administrivia [3min]
    • Agenda bashing
    • Minutes from Last meeting
  • draft-wang-6tisch-6top-sublayer [30min]
  • status security drafts (Michael, Yoshi?) [5min]
  • work needed on OTF [10min]
  • status rechartering [5min]
  • AOB [2min]

Resources

Minutes

·        [07.06] Meeting starts

    • Thomas goes through Note Well

·        [07.06] Agenda bashing

    • Approve agenda.
      • No issues raised. Agenda approved.
    • Approval of the minutes last call.
      • No issues raised. Minutes approved.
    • draft-minimal is shipped to IESG, congrats to Xavi and Kris
    • =
    • Yokohama agenda published
      • 6tisch meeting on Thursday afternoon
    • Announcing 2nd 6tisch plugtest in 2-4 Feb 2016, Paris

·        [07.08] Sublayer draft <= /p>

    • Xavi Vilajosana: Just republished. The sublayer offers mechanism to allocat= e nodes on a distributed way but the policy to do that is kept sepaate.
      • New terms defined, incliding Objective Function with an identifier to enabl= e multiple.
      • 6top protocol is a messaging protocol to allocate cells between peers.=
      • simple protocols
      • Presenting the protocol stack. request proposes a number of cells and respo= nse provides the ones selected.
      • new draft presents messages and packet formats in a fashion similar to 15.4= information elements
      • interesting is that each message has an op code indicating command and resp= onse-code
      • list of cells are described by channel offset / slot offset
      • =
      • OTF is one possible Objective function. Codes would be allocated by IANA
    • Pascal Thubert: is the intelligence only on the requester?
    • <= li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a= lt:auto;mso-list:l17 level2 lfo23"> Thomas Watteyne: there is a minimum intelligence on the receiver since it m= anages at least collisions.
    • Pat Kinney: On unmanaged. I undertsand that they can be used without being = assigned. You probably want a lot less than 128 unmanaged. Maybe 2 or 3 for= experimentations.
    • Thomas Watteyne: agree let us have an action item
    • Zhuo Chen: asking clarification on the 2 dslot frames
    • Xavi Vilajosana: We have 2 slot frames. The first is for minimal. The secon= d is managed by 6top and that is where slots installed by 6top will be. The= re may be other slotframes.
    • Thomas Watteyne: This is an example that guarantees that we have bandwidth = to boot with minimal.
      • Simple for interop. But just an example that is recommended. The OF would d= efine this.
    • Nicola: is there a requirement of the slotframe relative sizes
    • Thomas Watteyne: You can always figure when slotframe 0 is talking so no
    • Nicola: Why term OF? anything ot optimize
    • Thomas Watteyne: No, name mimics RPL, maybe not the right thing<= /li>
    • Nicola: Why 2 bytes for slot offset?
    • Thomas Watteyne: Comes from 4e to enable other PHYs
    • Pat Kinney: agreed with Thomas. The standards guarantees that lowest slot f= rame has prority
    • Thomas Watteyne: Yes, collision will cause slotframe 1 to loose an opportun= ity to send to it looks bad
      • draft says we want a group ID and a payload. Asking Pat if we can get an IE= , a subIE or something assigner to us or IETF. Hiw can we get that?
    • Pat Kinney: understands and agrees. This requires a letter from IANA to Bob= Heile.
      • I see enormous advantage for a group ID to be assigned. We ned to start com= municating on this one
    • Thomas Watteyne: will talk between chairs and follow up with IANA
    • Xavi Vilajosana: Suggest to associate an OF number to the OTF draft
    • Diego: we'll meet and will discuss renaming. I agree
    • Randy Turner: the term is used a lot. Make sure it is the correct term. Peo= ple might have assumptions
    • Pascal Thubert: also disagree with the 6 that has a very wide scope. Should= narrow to 6TiSCH
    • Thomas: Aggressive deadlines for interop in February; We need to stabilize = 6top and OTF by end 2015 to enable coding the stuff.

·        [07.08] Security draft

    • Michael not joined yet

·        [07.42] Rechartering

    • Pascal summarize
    • removed the "e" in 802.15.4e

o   added 3 new work items:

      • OTF
      • secure bootstrap
      • define what a track is and DETNET requirements

o   we don't want to distract the work on OTF, b= ut for the people who don't work on OTF.

      • Pascal thanks Anand for review of 6tisch-4detnet

o   Idea is to push the new charter rapidly=

    • WG chairs and AD will work on new charter
    • charter is contract with IESG, milestone and non milestone documents. =

o   Interop guidelines and useful sustaining doc= uments.

o   Question in the Charter. "For IP traffi= c". Pascal votes to maintain IP traffic in opposition to remove IP.

o   It is safe to keep the OTF activity close to= the IP routing.

    • PAT: suggests to add a footnote. Non-ip traffic is not precluded from that = effort in the future. (aiming to support other types of traffic)=
    • Pascal: we want to say that for the time being we work on IP traffic. This = does not imply that we will not work on other types of traffic in the futur= e.
    • PAT: Agrees, he is worried about people thinking that the affirmation restr= icts other types of traffic.
    • ChongGang: Limited to the IP traffic? I think the work can be applied to bo= th IP and non-ip traffic.
    • Maria Rita: suggests to remove the paragraph at the end but let a little te= xt indicating that we will participate/support interop events. Remove some = details as it is too long.
    • Pascal: if we charter to do the security work do we we have a critical mass= s in the security working team to move forward on that?
    • Rene: not immediately but in 3month time or so he can try to rechart the su= b group.
    • Michael RIchardson: are we going to have a phone conference the 23rd of Oct= ober. If so I can join it and discuss about the new activity in the join pr= ocess.
    • Pascal: suggest to close the security ML and move discussion at the ML.
    • Michael agrees
    • Malisa: the WG is divided in different directions. It is not that the group= is not finding the right work force.
    • Michael: Ask Malisa to send an email to the ML indicating the 3 security ap= proaches he sees.
    • Malisa agrees.

·        [07.52] AOB

Chonggang: track requirement, detnet requirements. Can you give some mor= e advice on how to move forward? He send an email about that. Can we move f= orward. Action: pascal to review the draft and push to move this forward. M= alisa: quite some discussions between security, not problem of workforce, but agree on direction Michael: please= send to ML

  • [08.00] Meeting ends

 

--_000_1661c87837ee45e7ab742c888ee8a111XCHRCD001ciscocom_-- From nobody Fri Oct 9 12:33:30 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A1021A014C for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 12:33:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V_9cAnSrIY6u for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 12:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-f177.google.com (mail-wi0-f177.google.com [209.85.212.177]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 52D0D1A036D for <6tisch@ietf.org>; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 12:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wicfx3 with SMTP id fx3so83595815wic.1 for <6tisch@ietf.org>; Fri, 09 Oct 2015 12:33:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=REwHcyLE/FHvhltmq/mr2I8X3+Bs63ysfMzbyZrjOjY=; b=hppUA+In6S3GmUfITOb9yju5onL7EVEdl1V9b3RXHI8SHIolUJfMr0vWBLOlwIddJX mL0G96psat4rhCtJBUkFwszWx9aM2eyp010UUTdaZ/26t+Il6mcR7uF3GaLwOtdQuyI2 9clgdPBhbdKhFeKi65uwWnZ/jsMcQHcBdN8OMIheQoTMTI1ysWYbBjrpPtCoRayufVH8 A14O7vuJHLvYLkfiI5wpQv3oWWIaLgsLbS9uTWMXudthc6snn+Z9uCCeEJUvZPF9LlRo 9yWC5LWw9ThbD3bqU7OitlnRHOlDIjifypyiut3sYCKWytcu1I1l4CZ2ckrZUmRTozPt Oiog== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnLLN9E7+JdcsWMEi0/skFa7qoWobl7JAngqP3F2dZ61fqc3aXYQyayKQUe19eYg6f2aneD MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.175.232 with SMTP id cd8mr17804928wjc.45.1444419202563; Fri, 09 Oct 2015 12:33:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.9.84 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 12:33:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4a8c164cec374130a33d3e8535de72fb@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> References: <197177af4dd145889c61c7e283f708ee@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> <4a8c164cec374130a33d3e8535de72fb@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 16:33:22 -0300 Message-ID: From: "Prof. Diego Dujovne" To: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e013d102079f9c70521b10d7d Archived-At: Cc: "6tisch@ietf.org" <6tisch@ietf.org>, Pat Kinney Subject: Re: [6tisch] OTF: IP or not IP? X-BeenThere: 6tisch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss link layer model for Deterministic IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e, and impacts on RPL and 6LoWPAN such as resource allocation" <6tisch.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2015 19:33:28 -0000 --089e013d102079f9c70521b10d7d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pascal, Pat: Sounds good to me "6tisch routers". Regards, Diego 2015-10-09 12:59 GMT-03:00 Pascal Thubert (pthubert) : > Good point Pat. > > I found it strange as well as I was rereading this. > > Should I say 6TiSCH routers? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Pascal > > > > *From:* Pat Kinney [mailto:pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com] > *Sent:* vendredi 9 octobre 2015 17:53 > *To:* Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > *Cc:* 6tisch@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [6tisch] OTF: IP or not IP? > > > > Pascal; > > > > I agree with your change, but I wonder why we need to consider only IoT > routers? Shouldn=E2=80=99t we removed the IoT constraint? > > > > Pat > > > > Pat Kinney > > *Kinney Consulting LLC* > > IEEE 802.15 WG vice chair, SC chair > > ISA100 co-chair, ISA100.20 chair > > O: +1.847.960.3715 > > pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com > > > > On 9, Oct2015, at 10:48, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > wrote: > > > > Dear all: > > > > Following up on the comments at the interim, My suggestion is to update > item 3 as follows: > > > > > > 3. Produce an =E2=80=9COn-the-fly" (OTF) specification to enable a distri= buted > dynamic > > scheduling of time slots with the capability for IoT routers to appropria= te > > chunks of the matrix without starving, or interfering with, other 6TiSCH > nodes. > > This particular work will focus on IP traffic since the work on tracks is > not > > yet advanced enough to specify their requirements for OTF operations. > > > > I remove the =E2=80=98for IP traffic=E2=80=99 within the main text to ind= icate that the > initial focus is > > N IP traffic but I hope that now it is more clear that future work on > tracks is not precluded. > > Does that address the comment? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Pascal > > > > _______________________________________________ > 6tisch mailing list > 6tisch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6tisch > > > > _______________________________________________ > 6tisch mailing list > 6tisch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6tisch > > --=20 DIEGO DUJOVNE Acad=C3=A9mico Escuela de Ingenier=C3=ADa en Inform=C3=A1tica y Telecomunic= aciones Facultad de Ingenier=C3=ADa UDP www.ingenieria.udp.cl (56 2) 676 8125 --089e013d102079f9c70521b10d7d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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2015-10-09 12:59 GMT-03:00 Pascal Thubert = (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com>:

Good point Pat.

I found it strange as = well as I was rereading this.

Should I say 6TiSCH ro= uters? =C2=A0

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Cheers,<= /span>

=C2=A0

Pascal

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From: Pat Kinney [mailto:pat.kinney@kinneyconsul= tingllc.com]
Sent: vendredi 9 octobre 2015 17:53
To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com>
Cc: 6tisch@ietf= .org
Subject: Re: [6tisch] OTF: IP or not IP?

=C2=A0

Pascal;

=C2=A0

I agree with your change, but I wonder why we need t= o consider only IoT routers?=C2=A0 Shouldn=E2=80=99t we removed the IoT con= straint?

=C2=A0

Pat

=C2=A0

Pat Kinney

Kinney Consulting LLC=

IEEE 802.15 WG vice chair, SC chair=

ISA100 co-chair, ISA100.20 chair

=C2=A0

On 9, Oct2015, at 10:48, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) &= lt;pthubert@cisco.c= om> wrote:

=C2=A0

Dear all:

=C2=A0

Following up on the comments at the interim, My sugg= estion is to update item 3 as follows:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

3. Produce an =E2=80=9COn-the-fly" (OTF) specif= ication to enable a distributed dynamic

scheduling of time slots with the capability for IoT= routers to appropriate

chunks of the matrix without starving, or interferin= g with, other 6TiSCH nodes.

This particular work will focus on IP traffic since = the work on tracks is not

yet advanced enough to specify their requirements fo= r OTF operations.

=C2=A0

I remove the =E2=80=98for IP traffic=E2=80=99 within= the main text to indicate that the initial focus is

N IP traffic but I hope that now it is more clear th= at future work on tracks is not precluded.

Does that address the comment?

=C2=A0

Cheers,

=C2=A0

Pascal

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--089e013d102079f9c70521b10d7d-- From nobody Fri Oct 9 12:41:50 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 342E21A1AA7 for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 12:41:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.709 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.709 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4sJCXNoVLsTT for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 12:41:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nm24-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm24-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.161]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 513F11A1AA6 for <6tisch@ietf.org>; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 12:41:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1444419705; bh=mRry4WkIHz5T13uJGoWW64KGWdE77iuO77gcqRJlqVg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=ZxwC/W+R7htUX0eDhsBdZpZJGrr0THs/8Bcl+o8w6rfrbEbdbA4lwz0er3RzlOPnHAtrtSG3G77YNGGm8gGDySsJUzFiuK26U3sYq5f3x77VN9RPHlRpLEVhSFqodrYxXl4wm3omMWwGDLp4fp5GfJUwBnYuUnYguEclOn5bcX7oz5txlYUD2EqTTUIfQBX2mCiNdpPfA7jBwQ7CHXBvGM494q33kv+4k9BP90pu4xUza6rphNzJ3ucCe8xAO3Y8tF2r7Yt2cW3s71T8QNf+sGZNhVCBxqgn5SqeF8JpjgbfeREPcsk7kMPC+4CV9P5WvssTKelBBzbhDu7CO72/ZQ== Received: from [98.139.214.32] by nm24.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2015 19:41:45 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.235] by tm15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2015 19:41:45 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1044.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2015 19:41:45 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 425792.58667.bm@omp1044.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-YMail-OSG: vMvxalgVM1nObzw.n02l8aH.fKORX9y2C3WO0Pcnhf7bUttbYnR22UEDbOTEJqF JzKmCAVcnpFSC4lIfeBWiG2AfLAbku82ODVuccdY7.0r6tWbT_0m2jHDg1vmLH24DDh95j6kLl2o kvSGXCOmU6AXVLAMGIJj9MUJpthdLl5GKbjghOofBSuHjxfhGaPr4i236WxT7B9fTQiMKXJcbz5C OcQjNqGzH.dkzelx7RJL942aUoeFPFOZUz9Vd_HMQ5qdqDRQsSO.SkEt4Mjrw9zE5r1XMd5KE2Nc TnJTEzEDElCr3wTklFLR6wV2xcrAjgQdr9LlXw85g2PuFmOXGkfA_NaeVvhetgTrzP0mitqA6Bza VQ6tpAPuy0HhVj2g2e7GEpL.D9xg2R03w7ul_DICNK.LWBexwJ3sW0179h_Nd4skttrSmlRw6sS4 wSJxlRkzKX92F6qs5BLIyiDSugoVv5EyXmx6.CrJ.dK4.SB9BrusXwGyu Received: by 66.196.81.110; Fri, 09 Oct 2015 19:41:44 +0000 Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 19:41:44 +0000 (UTC) From: Qin Wang To: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" , "6tisch@ietf.org" <6tisch@ietf.org> Message-ID: <1544318581.1503473.1444419704603.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <76bbfbe267c348b5858608c5647c5ccf@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> References: <76bbfbe267c348b5858608c5647c5ccf@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1503472_2086068367.1444419704599" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [6tisch] ChongGang's point on item 3 to specify P2P operations X-BeenThere: 6tisch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Qin Wang List-Id: "Discuss link layer model for Deterministic IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e, and impacts on RPL and 6LoWPAN such as resource allocation" <6tisch.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2015 19:41:48 -0000 ------=_Part_1503472_2086068367.1444419704599 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Pascal, Can you explain more about "with the capabilityfor IoT routers to appropria= te chunks of the Time/frequency matrix withoutstarving, or interfering with= , other 6TiSCH nodes."? ThanksQin=20 On Friday, October 9, 2015 11:57 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: =20 Dear all=C2=A0: =C2=A0 ChongGang point= ed out that the charter text for item 3 (OTF) was not specific that we addr= ess L2 peer operation, not and end to end reservation ala RSVP. =C2=A0 I m= odified item 3 again as follwos: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 3. Produce an =E2=80=9COn-= the-fly" (OTF) specification to enable a distributed dynamic scheduling of = time slots, negotiated between adjacent peers, with the capability for IoT = routers to appropriate chunks of the Time/frequency matrix without starving= , or interfering with, other 6TiSCH nodes. This particular work will focus = on IP traffic since the work on tracks is not yet advanced enough to specif= y their requirements for OTF operations. =C2=A0 What do you think? =C2=A0= Pascal=20 _______________________________________________ 6tisch mailing list 6tisch@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6tisch ------=_Part_1503472_2086068367.1444419704599 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Pascal,
=
Can you explain more about "with the capability
for IoT routers to appropriate chunks of the Time/frequency matrix w= ithout
starving, or interfering with, other 6TiSCH nodes.= "?

Thanks
Qin



On Friday, October 9, 2015 11:57 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) = <pthubert@cisco.com> wrote:


=20 =20
Dear all :
=20
 
=20
ChongGang pointed out that the charte= r text for item 3 (OTF) was not specific that we address L2 peer operation,= not and end to end reservation ala RSVP.
=20
 
=20
I modified item 3 again as follwos:=20
 
=20
 
=20
3. Produce an =E2=80=9COn-the-fly" (O= TF) specification to enable a distributed dynamic
=20
scheduling of time slots, negotiated = between adjacent peers, with the capability
=20
for IoT routers to appropriate chunks= of the Time/frequency matrix without
=20
starving, or interfering with, other = 6TiSCH nodes.
=20
This particular work will focus on IP= traffic since the work on tracks is not
=20
yet advanced enough to specify their = requirements for OTF operations.
=20
 
=20
What do you think?
=20
 
=20
Pascal
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X-BeenThere: 6tisch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Qin Wang List-Id: "Discuss link layer model for Deterministic IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e, and impacts on RPL and 6LoWPAN such as resource allocation" <6tisch.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2015 19:51:23 -0000 ------=_Part_1515405_180474872.1444420264040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Pascal and all, I don't understand the meaning of =C2=A0"with the capability for IoT router= s to appropriatechunks of the matrix without starving, or interfering with,= other 6TiSCH nodes." (even IoT routers is replaced with "6tisch router"). = I cannot figure out what the capability is. Can you explain it more? ThanksQin =20 On Friday, October 9, 2015 3:33 PM, Prof. Diego Dujovne wrote: =20 Pascal, Pat: =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Sounds good to me "6tisch routers". Regards, =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= Diego =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=20 2015-10-09 12:59 GMT-03:00 Pascal Thubert (pthubert) : Good point Pat. I found it strange as well as I was rereading this.Should I= say 6TiSCH routers? =C2=A0=C2=A0Cheers,=C2=A0Pascal=C2=A0From: Pat Kinney = [mailto:pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com] Sent: vendredi 9 octobre 2015 17:53 To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) Cc: 6tisch@ietf.org Subject: Re: [6tisch] OTF: IP or not IP?=C2=A0Pascal;=C2=A0I agree with you= r change, but I wonder why we need to consider only IoT routers?=C2=A0 Shou= ldn=E2=80=99t we removed the IoT constraint?=C2=A0Pat=C2=A0Pat KinneyKinney= Consulting LLCIEEE 802.15 WG vice chair, SC chairISA100 co-chair, ISA100.2= 0 chairO: +1.847.960.3715pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com=C2=A0On 9, Oct2= 015, at 10:48, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote:=C2=A0D= ear all:=C2=A0Following up on the comments at the interim, My suggestion is= to update item 3 as follows:=C2=A0=C2=A03. Produce an =E2=80=9COn-the-fly"= (OTF) specification to enable a distributed dynamicscheduling of time slot= s with the capability for IoT routers to appropriatechunks of the matrix wi= thout starving, or interfering with, other 6TiSCH nodes.This particular wor= k will focus on IP traffic since the work on tracks is notyet advanced enou= gh to specify their requirements for OTF operations.=C2=A0I remove the =E2= =80=98for IP traffic=E2=80=99 within the main text to indicate that the ini= tial focus isN IP traffic but I hope that now it is more clear that future = work on tracks is not precluded.Does that address the comment?=C2=A0Cheers,= =C2=A0Pascal=C2=A0_______________________________________________ 6tisch mailing list 6tisch@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6tisch=C2=A0 _______________________________________________ 6tisch mailing list 6tisch@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6tisch --=20 DIEGO DUJOVNE Acad=C3=A9mico Escuela de Ingenier=C3=ADa en Inform=C3=A1tica y Telecomunic= aciones Facultad de Ingenier=C3=ADa UDP www.ingenieria.udp.cl (56 2) 676 8125 _______________________________________________ 6tisch mailing list 6tisch@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6tisch ------=_Part_1515405_180474872.1444420264040 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Pascal and all,

I don't understand the me= aning of  "with the capability for IoT routers to appropr= iate
chunks of the matrix without starving, or interfering with, = other 6TiSCH nodes." (e= ven IoT routers is replaced with "6tisch router"). I cannot figure out what= the capability is. Can you explain it more?

Thank= s
Qin







On Friday, October 9, 2015 3:33 PM, Prof. Diego Dujovne <di= ego.dujovne@mail.udp.cl> wrote:


<= div>
Pascal, Pat:
     = ;             S= ounds good to me "6tisch routers".
Regards,

      &nb= sp;            =        Diego
          

2015-10-09 12:59 GMT-= 03:00 Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com>:
Good p= oint Pat.
I foun= d it strange as well as I was rereading this.
Should= I say 6TiSCH routers?  
 
Cheers= ,
 
Pascal=
 
From: Pat Kinney [mailto:pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com]
Sent: vendredi 9 octobre 2015 17:53
To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com>
Cc: 6tisch@ietf.org=
Subject: Re: [6tisch] OTF: IP or not IP?
 
Pascal;
 
I agree with your change, but I wonde= r why we need to consider only IoT routers?  Shouldn=E2=80=99t we remo= ved the IoT constraint?
 
Pat
 
Pat = Kinney
Kinney Consulting LLC<= /u>
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On 9, Oct2015, at 10:48, Pascal Thube= rt (pthubert) <pthube= rt@cisco.com> wrote:
 
Dear all:
 
Following up on the comments at the i= nterim, My suggestion is to update item 3 as follows:
 
 
3. Produce an =E2=80=9COn-the-fly" (O= TF) specification to enable a distributed dynamic
scheduling of time slots with the cap= ability for IoT routers to appropriate
chunks of the matrix without starving= , or interfering with, other 6TiSCH nodes.
This particular work will focus on IP= traffic since the work on tracks is not
yet advanced enough to specify their = requirements for OTF operations.
 
I remove the =E2=80=98for IP traffic= =E2=80=99 within the main text to indicate that the initial focus is=
N IP traffic but I hope that now it i= s more clear that future work on tracks is not precluded.
Does that address the comment?=
 
Cheers,
 
Pascal
 
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X-BeenThere: 6tisch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss link layer model for Deterministic IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e, and impacts on RPL and 6LoWPAN such as resource allocation" <6tisch.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2015 20:00:44 -0000 --089e0141a1561064f60521b16f4d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Qin, I see this more like an ability or a feature, than a capability. Regards, Diego 2015-10-09 16:51 GMT-03:00 Qin Wang : > Hi Pascal and all, > > I don't understand the meaning of "with the capability for IoT routers > to appropriate > chunks of the matrix without starving, or interfering with, other 6TiSCH > nodes." (even IoT routers is replaced with "6tisch router"). I cannot > figure out what the capability is. Can you explain it more? > > Thanks > Qin > > > > > > > > On Friday, October 9, 2015 3:33 PM, Prof. Diego Dujovne < > diego.dujovne@mail.udp.cl> wrote: > > > Pascal, Pat: > Sounds good to me "6tisch routers". > Regards, > > Diego > > > 2015-10-09 12:59 GMT-03:00 Pascal Thubert (pthubert) = : > > Good point Pat. > I found it strange as well as I was rereading this. > Should I say 6TiSCH routers? > > Cheers, > > Pascal > > *From:* Pat Kinney [mailto:pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com] > *Sent:* vendredi 9 octobre 2015 17:53 > *To:* Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > *Cc:* 6tisch@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [6tisch] OTF: IP or not IP? > > Pascal; > > I agree with your change, but I wonder why we need to consider only IoT > routers? Shouldn=E2=80=99t we removed the IoT constraint? > > Pat > > Pat Kinney > *Kinney Consulting LLC* > IEEE 802.15 WG vice chair, SC chair > ISA100 co-chair, ISA100.20 chair > O: +1.847.960.3715 > pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com > > On 9, Oct2015, at 10:48, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > wrote: > > Dear all: > > Following up on the comments at the interim, My suggestion is to update > item 3 as follows: > > > 3. Produce an =E2=80=9COn-the-fly" (OTF) specification to enable a distri= buted > dynamic > scheduling of time slots with the capability for IoT routers to appropria= te > chunks of the matrix without starving, or interfering with, other 6TiSCH > nodes. > This particular work will focus on IP traffic since the work on tracks is > not > yet advanced enough to specify their requirements for OTF operations. > > I remove the =E2=80=98for IP traffic=E2=80=99 within the main text to ind= icate that the > initial focus is > N IP traffic but I hope that now it is more clear that future work on > tracks is not precluded. > Does that address the comment? > > Cheers, > > Pascal > > _______________________________________________ > 6tisch mailing list > 6tisch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6tisch > > > _______________________________________________ > 6tisch mailing list > 6tisch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6tisch > > > > > -- > DIEGO DUJOVNE > Acad=C3=A9mico Escuela de Ingenier=C3=ADa en Inform=C3=A1tica y Telecomun= icaciones > Facultad de Ingenier=C3=ADa UDP > www.ingenieria.udp.cl > (56 2) 676 8125 > > _______________________________________________ > 6tisch mailing list > 6tisch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6tisch > > > --=20 DIEGO DUJOVNE Acad=C3=A9mico Escuela de Ingenier=C3=ADa en Inform=C3=A1tica y Telecomunic= aciones Facultad de Ingenier=C3=ADa UDP www.ingenieria.udp.cl (56 2) 676 8125 --089e0141a1561064f60521b16f4d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Qin,
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 I see this more like an ability or a feature, than a capability.
Regards,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 Diego

2015-10-09 16:51 GMT-03:00 Qin Wang <qinwang6top@yahoo.com>:
Hi Pascal and a= ll,

I don't understa= nd the meaning of =C2=A0"with the capability for IoT routers to appropriate
chunks of th= e matrix without starving, or interfering with, other 6TiSCH nodes.<= span>" (even IoT routers is replaced with "6tisch router"). = I cannot figure out what the capability is. Can you explain it more?=

Thanks=
Qin









Pascal, Pat:
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 Sounds good to me "6tisch routers".
<= /div>Regards,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Diego
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0

2015-10-09 12:59 GMT-03:00 Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com>:
Good point Pat.
I found it strange as well as I was rere= ading this.
Should I say 6TiSCH routers? =C2=A0
=C2=A0
Cheers,
=C2=A0
Pascal
=C2=A0
From: Pat Kinney [mailto:pat.kinne= y@kinneyconsultingllc.com]
Sent: vendredi 9 octobre 2015 17:53
To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com>
Cc:
6tisch@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [6tisch] OTF: IP or not IP?
=C2=A0
Pascal;
=C2=A0
I agree with your change, but I wonder why we need to consider only Io= T routers?=C2=A0 Shouldn=E2=80=99t we removed the IoT constraint?=
=C2=A0
Pat
=C2=A0
Pat Kinney
Kinney Consulting LLC=
IEEE 802.15 WG vice chair, SC chair=
ISA100 co-chair, ISA100.20 chair
=C2=A0
On 9, Oct2015, at 10:48, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pt= hubert@cisco.com> wrote:
=C2=A0
Dear all:
=C2=A0
Following up on the comments at the interim, My suggestion is to updat= e item 3 as follows:
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
3. Produce an =E2=80=9COn-the-fly" (OTF) specification to enable = a distributed dynamic
scheduling of time slots with the capability for IoT routers to approp= riate
chunks of the matrix without starving, or interfering with, other 6TiS= CH nodes.
This particular work will focus on IP traffic since the work on tracks= is not
yet advanced enough to specify their requirements for OTF operations.<= u>
=C2=A0
I remove the =E2=80=98for IP traffic=E2=80=99 within the main text to = indicate that the initial focus is
N IP traffic but I hope that now it is more clear that future work on = tracks is not precluded.
Does that address the comment?
=C2=A0
Cheers,
=C2=A0
Pascal
=C2=A0
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--089e0141a1561064f60521b16f4d-- From nobody Fri Oct 9 13:03:01 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A06D51B2C2D for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 13:03:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.277 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.277 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RGEya5wVXgQ2 for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 13:02:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x230.google.com (mail-wi0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E49FF1B2BC2 for <6tisch@ietf.org>; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 13:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wiclk2 with SMTP id lk2so81020550wic.1 for <6tisch@ietf.org>; Fri, 09 Oct 2015 13:02:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=vkrlDzSVo8P0M6ORi7wCbA01IEIL4BQLsOttw0nY8qU=; b=JD1dGbay8ZNSQOtDpdVVhQDklJLovDjzBk5tLLYrBFcIKZtYDERDMRA/T/s16Hcw9y +h0NemveUicB2D3+JMhUJYQHqGVGCwGpaxS/ijZoGsGzKbW6gotw6pq6PER/HszVHiAa boZhZGgR7vVJx0TnQjY6rJHJjzG7sLzPzxVLg/qVSc8GAWANWvH6HHbx/ib4CpWm6671 +HtM2uMoHN8cocD9jOS/BJSge5mKYB+iXDwhfdJifqAFIZu3ixGj4hVF1WC0Izf+s561 ekbImm0gEwfMtc5NT2x5OhOa8AYF4oXYC0074I88FHSPlMQTIt1tGTS9ntwmTwOe5fVb 1Fmw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.81.169 with SMTP id b9mr16753345wjy.3.1444420977505; Fri, 09 Oct 2015 13:02:57 -0700 (PDT) Sender: xvilajosana@gmail.com Received: by 10.27.26.14 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 13:02:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <0fdad81748894c88912926019dc10d55@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> References: <0fdad81748894c88912926019dc10d55@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 22:02:57 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7bah7bCGjNmc21vtkDfdau_M0m8 Message-ID: From: Xavier Vilajosana To: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bea3afe453a820521b1770b Archived-At: Cc: Maria Rita PALATTELLA , "6tisch@ietf.org" <6tisch@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [6tisch] non-milestone work item on Plugtests X-BeenThere: 6tisch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss link layer model for Deterministic IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e, and impacts on RPL and 6LoWPAN such as resource allocation" <6tisch.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2015 20:03:00 -0000 --047d7bea3afe453a820521b1770b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1 2015-10-09 17:45 GMT+02:00 Pascal Thubert (pthubert) : > This looks great Maria Rita: > > > > I used this text to replace the content of the non-milestone section. > > If someone disagrees, please speak up now! > > > > Cheers, > > > > Pascal > > > > *From:* 6tisch [mailto:6tisch-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Maria Rita > PALATTELLA > *Sent:* vendredi 9 octobre 2015 17:13 > *To:* Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > *Cc:* 6tisch@ietf.org > *Subject:* [6tisch] non-milestone work item on Plugtests > > > > *Hi Pascal,* > > *As discussed during the call, what about this sentence to include in the > charter for mentioning the 6TiSCH Plugtests?* > > *The Working Group will develop 6TiSCH Test Description documents which > will be updated as the technology evolves, and will be used for running > interoperability events, under ETSI support (i.e., 6TiSCH ETSI Plugtests)= . > Such documents will be helpful for implementers, providing details and > clarifications, needed for running code, and implementing the 6TiSCH > technology. Each document may address specific 6TiSCH features, in scope = of > the specific Plugtest=E2=80=99s edition. * > > *It summarized and specify more what we had before in two items. What do > you think?* > > *Thank you!* > > *Maria Rita* > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 6tisch mailing list > 6tisch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6tisch > > --047d7bea3afe453a820521b1770b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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2015-10-09 17:45 GMT+02:00 Pascal Thu= bert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com>:

This looks great Maria= Rita:

=C2=A0

I used this text to re= place the content of the non-milestone section.

If someone disagrees, = please speak up now!

=C2= =A0

Cheers,=

=C2= =A0

Pascal<= /u>

=C2=A0

From: 6tisch [mailto:6tisch-bounces@ietf.org] On Beh= alf Of Maria Rita PALATTELLA
Sent: vendredi 9 octobre 2015 17:13
To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com>
Cc: 6tisch@ietf= .org
Subject: [6tisch] non-milestone work item on Plugtests=

=C2=A0

Hi Pascal,

As discussed during the call, what about this sentence to include i= n the charter for mentioning the 6TiSCH Plugtests?=

The Working Group will develop 6TiSCH Test Description documents wh= ich will be updated as the technology evolves, and will be used for running interoperability events, under ETSI support (i.e., 6TiSCH ETSI= Plugtests). Such documents will be helpful for implementers, providing det= ails and clarifications, needed for running code, and implementing the 6TiS= CH technology. Each document may address specific 6TiSCH features, in scope of the specific Plugtest=E2=80= =99s edition.

It summarized and specify more what we had before in two items. Wha= t do you think?

Thank you!

Maria Rita

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Thread-Index: AQHRAsleSg8g9RHOv0WukPNUQgy/R55j5egAgABQZ98= Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 05:38:50 +0000 Message-ID: References: , <2023104309.1515406.1444420264063.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <2023104309.1515406.1444420264063.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_FEE0AD3B69FD494FB39C0C0B7B8A1835ciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "6tisch@ietf.org" <6tisch@ietf.org>, "Prof. Diego Dujovne" , Pat Kinney Subject: Re: [6tisch] OTF: IP or not IP? X-BeenThere: 6tisch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss link layer model for Deterministic IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e, and impacts on RPL and 6LoWPAN such as resource allocation" <6tisch.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 05:39:01 -0000 --_000_FEE0AD3B69FD494FB39C0C0B7B8A1835ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Qin There is a need to distribute fairly the cells in the network. Without cont= rol, some parents may be using many slots and that would prevent possibly b= etter parent to get cells and act as parents. This text opens the work on chunks that we have discussed at our calls and = in the architecture... Take care, Pascal Le 9 oct. 2015 ? 21:51, Qin Wang > a ?crit : Hi Pascal and all, I don't understand the meaning of "with the capability for IoT routers to = appropriate chunks of the matrix without starving, or interfering with, other 6TiSCH no= des." (even IoT routers is replaced with "6tisch router"). I cannot figure = out what the capability is. Can you explain it more? Thanks Qin On Friday, October 9, 2015 3:33 PM, Prof. Diego Dujovne > wrote: Pascal, Pat: Sounds good to me "6tisch routers". Regards, Diego 2015-10-09 12:59 GMT-03:00 Pascal Thubert (pthubert) >: Good point Pat. I found it strange as well as I was rereading this. Should I say 6TiSCH routers? Cheers, Pascal From: Pat Kinney [mailto:pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com] Sent: vendredi 9 octobre 2015 17:53 To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > Cc: 6tisch@ietf.org Subject: Re: [6tisch] OTF: IP or not IP? Pascal; I agree with your change, but I wonder why we need to consider only IoT rou= ters? Shouldn't we removed the IoT constraint? Pat Pat Kinney Kinney Consulting LLC IEEE 802.15 WG vice chair, SC chair ISA100 co-chair, ISA100.20 chair O: +1.847.960.3715 pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com On 9, Oct2015, at 10:48, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > wrote: Dear all: Following up on the comments at the interim, My suggestion is to update ite= m 3 as follows: 3. Produce an "On-the-fly" (OTF) specification to enable a distributed dyna= mic scheduling of time slots with the capability for IoT routers to appropriate chunks of the matrix without starving, or interfering with, other 6TiSCH no= des. This particular work will focus on IP traffic since the work on tracks is n= ot yet advanced enough to specify their requirements for OTF operations. I remove the 'for IP traffic' within the main text to indicate that the ini= tial focus is N IP traffic but I hope that now it is more clear that future work on track= s is not precluded. Does that address the comment? Cheers, Pascal _______________________________________________ 6tisch mailing list 6tisch@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6tisch _______________________________________________ 6tisch mailing list 6tisch@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6tisch -- DIEGO DUJOVNE Acad?mico Escuela de Ingenier?a en Inform?tica y Telecomunicaciones Facultad de Ingenier?a UDP www.ingenieria.udp.cl (56 2) 676 8125 _______________________________________________ 6tisch mailing list 6tisch@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6tisch --_000_FEE0AD3B69FD494FB39C0C0B7B8A1835ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Qin

There is a need to distribute fairly the cel= ls in the network. Without control, some parents may be using many slots an= d that would prevent possibly better parent to get cells and act as parents= .

This text opens the work on chunks that we h= ave discussed at our calls and in the architecture...

Take care,

Pascal

Le 9 oct. 2015 à 21:51, Qin Wang <qinwang6top@yahoo.com> a écrit :

Hi Pascal and all,=

I don't understand the meaning of  "with the capability for IoT routers to appropriate
ch= unks of the matrix without starving, or interfering with, other 6TiSCH nodes." (even IoT routers is replaced with "6tisch router"). I = cannot figure out what the capability is. Can you explain it more?
Th= anks
Qi= n





On Friday, October 9, 2015= 3:33 PM, Prof. Diego Dujovne <diego.dujovne@mail.udp.cl> wrote:


Pascal, Pat:
            &nb= sp;     Sounds good to me "6tisch routers".
Regards,

            &nb= sp;            = Diego
          

2015-10-09 12:59 GMT-03:00 Pascal T= hubert (pthubert) <pt= hubert@cisco.com>:
Good p= oint Pat.
I foun= d it strange as well as I was rereading this.
Should= I say 6TiSCH routers?  
 
Cheers= ,
 
Pascal=
 
From: Pat Kinney [mailto:pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com]
Sent: vendredi 9 octobre 2015 17:53
To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com>
Cc: 6tisch@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [6tisch] OTF: IP or not IP?
 
Pascal;
 
I agree with your change, but I wonde= r why we need to consider only IoT routers?  Shouldn’t we remove= d the IoT constraint?
 
Pat
 
Pat = Kinney
Kinney Consulting LLC<= /u>
IEEE= 802.15 WG vice chair, SC chair
ISA1= 00 co-chair, ISA100.20 chair
O: <= a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" href=3D""> +1.847.960.3715
=  
On 9, Oct2015, at 10:48, Pascal Thube= rt (pthubert) <pthube= rt@cisco.com> wrote:
 
Dear all:
 
Following up on the comments at the i= nterim, My suggestion is to update item 3 as follows:
 
 
3. Produce an “On-the-fly"= (OTF) specification to enable a distributed dynamic
scheduling of time slots with the cap= ability for IoT routers to appropriate
chunks of the matrix without starving= , or interfering with, other 6TiSCH nodes.
This particular work will focus on IP= traffic since the work on tracks is not
yet advanced enough to specify their = requirements for OTF operations.
 
I remove the ‘for IP traffic= 217; within the main text to indicate that the initial focus is
N IP traffic but I hope that now it i= s more clear that future work on tracks is not precluded.
Does that address the comment?=
 
Cheers,
 
Pascal
 
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--_000_FEE0AD3B69FD494FB39C0C0B7B8A1835ciscocom_-- From nobody Sat Oct 10 05:15:46 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 863701A8ABB; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 05:15:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.55 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gLiKOqS5JsuV; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 05:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3F971A8ABA; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 05:15:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::b]) by mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t9ACFdtl013818; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 14:15:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from nar.local (p5DC7F6AE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [93.199.246.174]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3nY4wq0CMCz4pK6; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 14:15:38 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <56190169.3050003@tzi.org> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 14:15:37 +0200 From: Carsten Bormann User-Agent: Postbox 4.0.5 (Macintosh/20150923) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lwip@ietf.org, 6tisch@ietf.org, roll@ietf.org, 6lo@ietf.org, t2trg@ietf.org References: <5618FF18.8050909@tzi.org> In-Reply-To: <5618FF18.8050909@tzi.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.2.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: [6tisch] Fwd: Constrained Node/Network Cluster @ IETF94, "final" version X-BeenThere: 6tisch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss link layer model for Deterministic IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e, and impacts on RPL and 6LoWPAN such as resource allocation" <6tisch.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 12:15:44 -0000 Sorry for the duplicate posting, the IETF mail system does not allow sending to all 9 mailing lists at the same time. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Constrained Node/Network Cluster @ IETF94, "final" version Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 14:05:44 +0200 From: Carsten Bormann To: dtls-iot@ietf.org, core@ietf.org, ace@ietf.org, cose@ietf.org, t2trg@irtf.org Below is the "final" version of my usual eclectic condensed agenda. (Sorry for missing out on the draft version, but not much has changed.) Again, I have filled in the T2TRG Sat/Sun meeting, which is waiting for its room assignment; the T2TRG summary meeting this time is on Wed morning (and we have 1 h, which should be enough for a summary). Remember that there is still some potential for changes. All times are JST (UTC+0900) (the browser timezone function is not yet reinstated on https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda-utc, for those who want to listen from remote). Grüße, Carsten SATURDAY, October 31, 2015 0900-1830 T2TRG - Room TBD 0900-2100 IETF Hackathon - Room 315 0900-1830 RAIM Workshop - Room 303 SUNDAY, November 1, 2015 0900-1600 T2TRG - Room TBD 0900-1800 IETF Hackathon - Room 315 1600-1700 Newcomers' Meet and Greet (open to Newcomers, WG chairs and Mentors only) - InterContinental Bay View Room 1600-1630 CBOR - Room 301 1700-1900 Welcome Reception - InterContinental Ballroom MONDAY, November 2, 2015 0900-1130 Morning Session I Rm 501 OPS v6ops IPv6 Operations WG Rm 301 RTG detnet Deterministic Networking WG Rm 302 SEC *** ace Authentication and Authorization for Constrained Environments WG 1300-1500 Afternoon Session I Rm 501 ART httpbis Hypertext Transfer Protocol WG Rm 304 OPS anima Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach WG Rm 303 TSV tsvwg Transport Area Working Group WG 1520-1650 Afternoon Session II Rm 302 INT dnssd Extensions for Scalable DNS Service Discovery WG Rm 501 TSV rmcat RTP Media Congestion Avoidance Techniques WG 1710-1910 Afternoon Session III Rm 502 OPS v6ops IPv6 Operations WG Rm 501 RTG rtgarea Routing Area Open Meeting Rm 302 SEC tokbind Token Binding WG TUESDAY, November 3, 2015 0900-1130 Morning Session I Rm 301 ART *** core Constrained RESTful Environments WG Rm 502 INT homenet Home Networking WG 1300-1500 Afternoon Session I 411/412 ART webpush Web-Based Push Notifications WG 1520-1650 Afternoon Session II Rm 303 OPS anima Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach WG Rm 413 SEC *** cose CBOR Object Signing and Encryption WG Rm 304 TSV taps Transport Services WG 1710-1840 Afternoon Session III 411/412 SEC openpgp Open Specification for Pretty Good Privacy WG WEDNESDAY, November 4, 2015 0900-1130 Morning Session I Rm 501 INT 6man IPv6 Maintenance WG Rm 302 IRTF*** t2trg Proposed Thing-to-Thing Research Group - 1030 - 1130 Rm 303 SEC tls Transport Layer Security WG 1300-1500 Afternoon Session I Rm 501 TSV tcpinc TCP Increased Security WG THURSDAY, November 5, 2015 0900-1130 Morning Session I Rm 303 ART ice Interactive Connectivity Establishment WG Rm 501 INT *** 6lo IPv6 over Networks of Resource-constrained Nodes WG 1300-1500 Afternoon Session I Rm 413 ART geojson Geographic JSON WG Rm 502 SEC saag Security Area Open Meeting Rm 302 TSV tsvwg Transport Area Working Group WG 1520-1720 Afternoon Session II Rm 303 INT *** 6tisch IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e WG Rm 501 OPS opsarea Operations & Management Area Open Meeting - Combined with OPSAWG Rm 301 SEC oauth Web Authorization Protocol WG 1740-1840 Afternoon Session III Rm 304 INT intarea Internet Area Working Group WG Rm 302 RTG *** roll Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks WG Rm 501 SEC tls Transport Layer Security WG FRIDAY, November 6, 2015 0900-1130 Morning Session I Rm 302 ART *** core Constrained RESTful Environments WG 411/412 RTG bier Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG Rm 304 SEC acme Automated Certificate Management Environment WG Rm 501 TSV rmcat RTP Media Congestion Avoidance Techniques WG All day ETSI 6lo Plugtest SATURDAY, November 7, 2015 All day ETSI 6lo Plugtest SUNDAY, November 8, 2015 All day ETSI 6lo Plugtest From nobody Mon Oct 12 04:35:59 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0F271ACE88 for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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X-BeenThere: 6tisch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss link layer model for Deterministic IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e, and impacts on RPL and 6LoWPAN such as resource allocation" <6tisch.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 11:35:57 -0000 6TiSCH: "IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e". Background/Introduction: ------------------------ Low-power and Lossy Networks (LLNs) interconnect a possibly large number=20 of resource-constrained nodes to form a wireless mesh network. The=20 6LoWPAN, ROLL and CoRE IETF Working Groups have defined protocols at=20 various layers of the protocol stack, including an IPv6 adaptation=20 layer, a routing protocol and a web transfer protocol. This protocol=20 stack has been used with IEEE802.15.4 low-power radios. The Timeslotted Channel Hopping (TSCH) mode was introduced in 2012 as an=20 amendment to the Medium Access Control (MAC) portion of the IEEE802.15.4=20 standard. TSCH is the emerging standard for industrial automation and=20 process control LLNs, with a direct inheritance from WirelessHART and=20 ISA100.11a. Defining IPv6 over TSCH, 6TiSCH is a key to enable the=20 further adoption of IPv6 in industrial standards and the convergence of=20 Operational Technology (OT) with Information Technology (IT). The nodes in a IEEE802.15.4 TSCH network communicate by following a=20 Time Division Multiple Access (TDMA) schedule. A timeslot in this=20 schedule provides a unit of bandwidth that is allocated for=20 communication between neighbor nodes. The allocation can be programmed=20 such that the predictable transmission pattern matches the traffic. This=20 avoids idle listening, and extends battery lifetime for constrained=20 nodes. Channel-hopping improves reliability in the presence of narrow- band interference and multi-path fading. These techniques enable a new range of use cases for LLNs, including: - Control loops in a wireless process control network, in which high reliability and a fully deterministic behavior are required. - Service Provider networks transporting data from different independent clients, and for which an operator needs flow isolation and traffic=20 shaping. - Networks comprising energy harvesting nodes, which require an=20 extremely low and predictable average power consumption. IEEE802.15.4 only defines the link-layer mechanisms. It does not define=20 how the network communication schedule is built and matched to the=20 traffic requirements of the network. Description of Working Group: ----------------------------- The Working Group will focus on enabling IPv6 over the TSCH mode of the IEEE802.15.4 standard. The extent of the problem space for the WG is=20 one or more LLNs, possibly federated through a common backbone link=20 via one or more LLN Border Routers (LBRs). The WG will rely on, and if=20 necessary extend, existing mechanisms for authenticating LBRs. Initially, the WG has limited its scope to distributed routing over a=20 static schedule using the Routing Protocol for LLNs (RPL) on the resulting network. This new charter allows for the dynamic allocation of cells and their exchange between adjacent peers to accommodate the available bandwidt= h to the variations of throughput in IP traffic.=20 The WG will continue working on securing the join process and making that f= it within the constraints of high latency, low throughput and small frame size= s that characterize IEEE802.15.4 TSCH. Additionally, IEEE802.15.4 TSCH being a deterministic MAC, it is envisioned= =20 that 6TiSCH will benefit from the work of detnet WG to establish the so-cal= led deterministic tracks. The group will define the objects and methods that ne= eds to be configured, and provide the associated requirements to detnet. The WG will interface with other appropriate groups in the IETF=20 Internet, Operations and Management, Routing and Security areas. Work Items: ----------- The group will: 1. Produce "6TiSCH architecture" to describe the design of 6TiSCH=20 networks. This document will highlight the different architectural=20 blocks and signaling flows, including the operation of the network in=20 the presence of multiple LBRs. The existing document will be augmented to cover dynamic scheduling and application of the DetNet work. 2. Produce an Information Model containing the management requirements=20 of a 6TiSCH node. This includes describing how an entity can manage the=20 TSCH schedule on a 6TiSCH node, and query timeslot information from that=20 node. MAC-layer interactions to negotiate Time Slots between peers will be proposed, to be eventually continued at IEEE. 3. Produce an "On-the-fly" (OTF) specification to enable a distributed dyna= mic scheduling of time slots, negotiated between adjacent peers, with the capab= ility for 6TiSCH routers to appropriate chunks of the Time/frequency matrix witho= ut starving, or interfering with, other 6TiSCH nodes. This particular work will focus on IP traffic since the work on tracks is n= ot yet advanced enough to specify their requirements for OTF operations. 4. Produce a specification for a secure 6TiSCH network bootstrap, adapted to the constraints of 6TiSCH nodes and leveraging existing art when possibl= e. 5. Produce requirements to the detnet WG, detailing the 6TiSCH tracks and t= he data models to manipulate them from a central controller such as a PCE. The work will include a best practice configuration for RPL and OF0=20 operation over the static schedule. Based on that experience the group=20 may produce a requirements draft for OF0 extensions, to be studied in ROLL. Non-milestone work items: ------------------------- The Working Group will develop 6TiSCH Test Description documents which will= be updated as the technology evolves, and will be used for running interoperab= ility events, under ETSI support (i.e., 6TiSCH ETSI Plugtests). =20 Such documents will be helpful for implementers, providing details and=20 clarifications, needed for running code, and implementing the 6TiSCH techno= logy. Each document may address specific 6TiSCH features, in scope of the specifi= c Plugtest's edition. From nobody Mon Oct 12 04:39:03 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA25C1ACE92 for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 04:39:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.277 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.277 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HKXxYiuyptjD for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 04:38:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x230.google.com (mail-wi0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BDA601ACE91 for <6tisch@ietf.org>; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 04:38:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wicgb1 with SMTP id gb1so46775301wic.1 for <6tisch@ietf.org>; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 04:38:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=r44KEnb6MjH3XYIFE0flLP7N7zOJRDlbPUf420CgP2Y=; b=YdJq4p6wyIR5Q8hQjykUg3uz3KDSzB67ro6cOTBgTHY7Ig3tbvbv0LLWYfmBt0C5L/ vCImUb87ij3aGvgTJ0tksWgycllkRLqBVylc0XalPiRM2grLEb0NfIFwnlsveqGxsi1Q P3moxn+tFu6+f7uMA9MuZCV8W0ufNhtwOtVqtyJquD+YbCxlKhL2+QkKUuB3zcAT/ARj XqL8BfnU+m52lg4NbkL6o45/dKfKHaZznSuv2HcE76s1GwH20SB57jpRwuiTaU4I+hJf 8a7d6kZU3qU08pmsIAF0aBzkmT1p/1CL04ajN6ko2k2tnVXQK69t9d4XPPb8vp0Qp0mW dxzw== X-Received: by 10.194.240.200 with SMTP id wc8mr29816406wjc.21.1444649937324; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 04:38:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: twatteyne@gmail.com Received: by 10.28.25.199 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 04:38:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <90bce93507ae455c8e2af2926a5e432e@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> References: <90bce93507ae455c8e2af2926a5e432e@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> From: Thomas Watteyne Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 13:38:37 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: CM4hUe8KPOI1WteyWUVwLOQ1rAI Message-ID: To: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e013d19e056d0d70521e6c691 Archived-At: Cc: "6tisch@ietf.org" <6tisch@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [6tisch] draft charter as of oct 12. Any more comments? X-BeenThere: 6tisch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss link layer model for Deterministic IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e, and impacts on RPL and 6LoWPAN such as resource allocation" <6tisch.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 11:39:02 -0000 --089e013d19e056d0d70521e6c691 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Pascal, Per our discussion on Friday, we need to do a slight rewording of WP 2&3 to take into account the new terminology introduced in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-6tisch-6top-sublayer-02. For that, we need to agree on a new name for OF. I'll start a 24h polling period in a separate e-mail, then we'll have the final proposed rewording. Thomas On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) < pthubert@cisco.com> wrote: > 6TiSCH: "IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e". > > Background/Introduction: > ------------------------ > > Low-power and Lossy Networks (LLNs) interconnect a possibly large number > of resource-constrained nodes to form a wireless mesh network. The > 6LoWPAN, ROLL and CoRE IETF Working Groups have defined protocols at > various layers of the protocol stack, including an IPv6 adaptation > layer, a routing protocol and a web transfer protocol. This protocol > stack has been used with IEEE802.15.4 low-power radios. > > The Timeslotted Channel Hopping (TSCH) mode was introduced in 2012 as an > amendment to the Medium Access Control (MAC) portion of the IEEE802.15.4 > standard. TSCH is the emerging standard for industrial automation and > process control LLNs, with a direct inheritance from WirelessHART and > ISA100.11a. Defining IPv6 over TSCH, 6TiSCH is a key to enable the > further adoption of IPv6 in industrial standards and the convergence of > Operational Technology (OT) with Information Technology (IT). > > The nodes in a IEEE802.15.4 TSCH network communicate by following a > Time Division Multiple Access (TDMA) schedule. A timeslot in this > schedule provides a unit of bandwidth that is allocated for > communication between neighbor nodes. The allocation can be programmed > such that the predictable transmission pattern matches the traffic. This > avoids idle listening, and extends battery lifetime for constrained > nodes. Channel-hopping improves reliability in the presence of narrow- > band interference and multi-path fading. > > These techniques enable a new range of use cases for LLNs, including: > - Control loops in a wireless process control network, in which high > reliability and a fully deterministic behavior are required. > - Service Provider networks transporting data from different independent > clients, and for which an operator needs flow isolation and traffic > shaping. > - Networks comprising energy harvesting nodes, which require an > extremely low and predictable average power consumption. > > IEEE802.15.4 only defines the link-layer mechanisms. It does not define > how the network communication schedule is built and matched to the > traffic requirements of the network. > > Description of Working Group: > ----------------------------- > > The Working Group will focus on enabling IPv6 over the TSCH mode of the > IEEE802.15.4 standard. The extent of the problem space for the WG is > one or more LLNs, possibly federated through a common backbone link > via one or more LLN Border Routers (LBRs). The WG will rely on, and if > necessary extend, existing mechanisms for authenticating LBRs. > > Initially, the WG has limited its scope to distributed routing over a > static schedule using the Routing Protocol for LLNs (RPL) on the resulting > network. This new charter allows for the dynamic allocation of cells and > their exchange between adjacent peers to accommodate the available > bandwidth > to the variations of throughput in IP traffic. > > The WG will continue working on securing the join process and making that > fit > within the constraints of high latency, low throughput and small frame > sizes > that characterize IEEE802.15.4 TSCH. > > Additionally, IEEE802.15.4 TSCH being a deterministic MAC, it is envisioned > that 6TiSCH will benefit from the work of detnet WG to establish the > so-called > deterministic tracks. The group will define the objects and methods that > needs > to be configured, and provide the associated requirements to detnet. > > The WG will interface with other appropriate groups in the IETF > Internet, Operations and Management, Routing and Security areas. > > Work Items: > ----------- > > The group will: > > 1. Produce "6TiSCH architecture" to describe the design of 6TiSCH > networks. This document will highlight the different architectural > blocks and signaling flows, including the operation of the network in > the presence of multiple LBRs. The existing document will be augmented > to cover dynamic scheduling and application of the DetNet work. > > 2. Produce an Information Model containing the management requirements > of a 6TiSCH node. This includes describing how an entity can manage the > TSCH schedule on a 6TiSCH node, and query timeslot information from that > node. MAC-layer interactions to negotiate Time Slots between peers will > be proposed, to be eventually continued at IEEE. > > 3. Produce an "On-the-fly" (OTF) specification to enable a distributed > dynamic > scheduling of time slots, negotiated between adjacent peers, with the > capability > for 6TiSCH routers to appropriate chunks of the Time/frequency matrix > without > starving, or interfering with, other 6TiSCH nodes. > This particular work will focus on IP traffic since the work on tracks is > not > yet advanced enough to specify their requirements for OTF operations. > > 4. Produce a specification for a secure 6TiSCH network bootstrap, adapted > to the constraints of 6TiSCH nodes and leveraging existing art when > possible. > > 5. Produce requirements to the detnet WG, detailing the 6TiSCH tracks and > the > data models to manipulate them from a central controller such as a PCE. > > > The work will include a best practice configuration for RPL and OF0 > operation over the static schedule. Based on that experience the group > may produce a requirements draft for OF0 extensions, to be studied in ROLL. > > Non-milestone work items: > ------------------------- > > The Working Group will develop 6TiSCH Test Description documents which > will be > updated as the technology evolves, and will be used for running > interoperability > events, under ETSI support (i.e., 6TiSCH ETSI Plugtests). > > Such documents will be helpful for implementers, providing details and > clarifications, needed for running code, and implementing the 6TiSCH > technology. > > Each document may address specific 6TiSCH features, in scope of the > specific > Plugtest's edition. > > _______________________________________________ > 6tisch mailing list > 6tisch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6tisch > --089e013d19e056d0d70521e6c691 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Pascal,
Per our discussion on Friday, we need to do a = slight rewording of WP 2&3 to take into account the new terminology int= roduced in=C2=A0https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-6tisch-6top-sublayer= -02.
For that, we need to agree on a new name for OF. I'l= l start a 24h polling period in a separate e-mail, then we'll have the = final proposed rewording.
Thomas

On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Pasca= l Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com> wrote:
6TiSCH: "IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.1= 5.4e".

Background/Introduction:
------------------------

Low-power and Lossy Networks (LLNs) interconnect a possibly large number of resource-constrained nodes to form a wireless mesh network. The
6LoWPAN, ROLL and CoRE IETF Working Groups have defined protocols at
various layers of the protocol stack, including an IPv6 adaptation
layer, a routing protocol and a web transfer protocol. This protocol
stack has been used with IEEE802.15.4 low-power radios.

The Timeslotted Channel Hopping (TSCH) mode was introduced in 2012 as an amendment to the Medium Access Control (MAC) portion of the IEEE802.15.4 standard. TSCH is the emerging standard for industrial automation and
process control LLNs, with a direct inheritance from WirelessHART and
ISA100.11a. Defining IPv6 over TSCH, 6TiSCH is a key to enable the
further adoption of IPv6 in industrial standards and the convergence of
Operational Technology (OT) with Information Technology (IT).

The nodes in a IEEE802.15.4 TSCH network communicate by following a
Time Division Multiple Access (TDMA) schedule. A timeslot in this
schedule provides a unit of bandwidth that is allocated for
communication between neighbor nodes. The allocation can be programmed
such that the predictable transmission pattern matches the traffic. This avoids idle listening, and extends battery lifetime for constrained
nodes. Channel-hopping improves reliability in the presence of narrow-
band interference and multi-path fading.

These techniques enable a new range of use cases for LLNs, including:
- Control loops in a wireless process control network, in which high
reliability and a fully deterministic behavior are required.
- Service Provider networks transporting data from different independent clients, and for which an operator needs flow isolation and traffic
shaping.
- Networks comprising energy harvesting nodes, which require an
extremely low and predictable average power consumption.

IEEE802.15.4 only defines the link-layer mechanisms. It does not define
how the network communication schedule is built and matched to the
traffic requirements of the network.

Description of Working Group:
-----------------------------

The Working Group will focus on enabling IPv6 over the TSCH mode of the
IEEE802.15.4 standard. The extent of the problem space for the WG is
one or more LLNs, possibly federated through a common backbone link
via one or more LLN Border Routers (LBRs). The WG will rely on, and if
necessary extend, existing mechanisms for authenticating LBRs.

Initially, the WG has limited its scope to distributed routing over a
static schedule using the Routing Protocol for LLNs (RPL) on the resulting<= br> network. This new charter allows for the dynamic allocation of cells and their exchange between adjacent peers to accommodate the available bandwidt= h
to the variations of throughput in IP traffic.

The WG will continue working on securing the join process and making that f= it
within the constraints of high latency, low throughput and small frame size= s
that characterize IEEE802.15.4 TSCH.

Additionally, IEEE802.15.4 TSCH being a deterministic MAC, it is envisioned=
that 6TiSCH will benefit from the work of detnet WG to establish the so-cal= led
deterministic tracks. The group will define the objects and methods that ne= eds
to be configured, and provide the associated requirements to detnet.

The WG will interface with other appropriate groups in the IETF
Internet, Operations and Management, Routing and Security areas.

Work Items:
-----------

The group will:

1. Produce "6TiSCH architecture" to describe the design of 6TiSCH=
networks. This document will highlight the different architectural
blocks and signaling flows, including the operation of the network in
the presence of multiple LBRs. The existing document will be augmented
to cover dynamic scheduling and application of the DetNet work.

2. Produce an Information Model containing the management requirements
of a 6TiSCH node. This includes describing how an entity can manage the
TSCH schedule on a 6TiSCH node, and query timeslot information from that node. MAC-layer interactions to negotiate Time Slots between peers will
be proposed, to be eventually continued at IEEE.

3. Produce an "On-the-fly" (OTF) specification to enable a distri= buted dynamic
scheduling of time slots, negotiated between adjacent peers, with the capab= ility
for 6TiSCH routers to appropriate chunks of the Time/frequency matrix witho= ut
starving, or interfering with, other 6TiSCH nodes.
This particular work will focus on IP traffic since the work on tracks is n= ot
yet advanced enough to specify their requirements for OTF operations.

4. Produce a specification for a secure 6TiSCH network bootstrap, adapted to the constraints of 6TiSCH nodes and leveraging existing art when possibl= e.

5. Produce requirements to the detnet WG, detailing the 6TiSCH tracks and t= he
data models to manipulate them from a central controller such as a PCE.


The work will include a best practice configuration for RPL and OF0
operation over the static schedule. Based on that experience the group
may produce a requirements draft for OF0 extensions, to be studied in ROLL.=

Non-milestone work items:
-------------------------

The Working Group will develop 6TiSCH Test Description documents which will= be
updated as the technology evolves, and will be used for running interoperab= ility
events, under ETSI support (i.e., 6TiSCH ETSI Plugtests).

Such documents will be helpful for implementers, providing details and
clarifications, needed for running code, and implementing the 6TiSCH techno= logy.

Each document may address specific 6TiSCH features, in scope of the specifi= c
Plugtest's edition.

_______________________________________________
6tisch mailing list
6tisch@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6tisch

--089e013d19e056d0d70521e6c691-- From nobody Mon Oct 12 04:41:28 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 639B61ACEA0 for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 04:41:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.277 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.277 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ItxguFgvWaH9 for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 04:41:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x22a.google.com (mail-wi0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A0001ACEA2 for <6tisch@ietf.org>; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 04:41:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wicge5 with SMTP id ge5so13975680wic.0 for <6tisch@ietf.org>; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 04:41:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=R4QGPTNryVoPUuknoBsDK0HPkJ26VnnOXhfJjVoBjLg=; b=cUJsNbXrBHEupzlnoIPIPiwI9O6maFDVHylOElOJdoaauK7UI9egVP5Jrw8U6GF3Ri a6BzeVnqITTfgeGqUN5Kdnw3r/dIEJk4AfNTFsSsS+6nRxUxRKNkFuFl62vK96Y+vxl0 1Ymu7K6bJTM/gxff5vtdlR9ZIWUmGstKGjEE/2Ljd78fhOc6Q53yXEwuJwNwSXmFuaBn QGIkVcKGACa+uS2uRwSPY6s+tXSP/Xsv8PzUPWftrwWJWB93tVi20fqQiOZUZbIb48uD 7f3aGdtnZjOOpcARZb23a4IZ1kbRShDNIYDODetua8X6qOVnORsQDbdgpk75IYf0y2lo uLIA== X-Received: by 10.180.107.193 with SMTP id he1mr15075770wib.81.1444650083437; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 04:41:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: twatteyne@gmail.com Received: by 10.28.25.199 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 04:41:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Thomas Watteyne Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 13:41:03 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: VDznn1ICKFlxv3YvpRznNJ5Ww-Y Message-ID: To: "6tisch@ietf.org" <6tisch@ietf.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f234c030c50b90521e6cf0e Archived-At: Subject: [6tisch] new term: 6top "Scheduling Function" X-BeenThere: 6tisch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss link layer model for Deterministic IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e, and impacts on RPL and 6LoWPAN such as resource allocation" <6tisch.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 11:41:26 -0000 --e89a8f234c030c50b90521e6cf0e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 All, At the call on Friday, some of your indicated that the term "6top Objective Function" (6OF) introduced in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-6tisch-6top-sublayer-02 is too close to RPL's OF, and might lead to confusion. During the call, we agreed on the term "Scheduling Function" (SF). I hence ask the authors of https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-6tisch-6top-sublayer-02 to change the term. Please raise further comments about this terminology in the next 24h. Thomas --e89a8f234c030c50b90521e6cf0e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
All,

At the call on Friday, some of you= r indicated that the term "6top Objective Function" (6OF) introdu= ced in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-6tisch-6top-sublayer-02 i= s too close to RPL's OF, and might lead to confusion.

During the call, we agreed on the term "Scheduling Function&qu= ot; (SF).

I hence ask the authors of=C2=A0https:/= /tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-6tisch-6top-sublayer-02 to change the t= erm. Please raise further comments about this terminology in the next 24h.<= /div>

Thomas
--e89a8f234c030c50b90521e6cf0e-- From nobody Mon Oct 12 05:08:22 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D1E1AD0A9 for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 05:08:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.279 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.279 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OTa4_V07tayN for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 05:08:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.kivinen.iki.fi (fireball.acr.fi [83.145.195.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA5F31AD0A8 for <6tisch@ietf.org>; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 05:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fireball.acr.fi (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kivinen.iki.fi (8.15.1/8.14.8) with ESMTPS id t9CC8Ewj014571 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 12 Oct 2015 15:08:14 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from kivinen@localhost) by fireball.acr.fi (8.15.1/8.14.8/Submit) id t9CC8EHG006525; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 15:08:14 +0300 (EEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <22043.41646.476984.119098@fireball.acr.fi> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 15:08:14 +0300 From: Tero Kivinen To: Qin Wang In-Reply-To: <667241035.3421143.1443643194071.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <22028.9972.425668.251992@fireball.acr.fi> <667241035.3421143.1443643194071.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: VM 8.2.0b under 24.5.1 (x86_64--netbsd) X-Edit-Time: 15 min X-Total-Time: 17 min Archived-At: Cc: "6tisch@ietf.org" <6tisch@ietf.org>, "Turner, Randy" Subject: Re: [6tisch] 6top-interface-04 X-BeenThere: 6tisch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss link layer model for Deterministic IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e, and impacts on RPL and 6LoWPAN such as resource allocation" <6tisch.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 12:08:21 -0000 Qin Wang writes: > You raised a good question, i.e. how to define a cell for broadcast in 6top. > > (1) I think 6top needs a way to define broadcast cell. Yes. The higher layer protocol trasmitting the real schedule to the devices will need a way to tell that this cell is broadcast cell. > A sender can not assume or know if the message transmitted in a TX > cell will be received by all other nodes even if its nodeAddr is set > to oxffff, because sender cannot know others TSCH schedule. Thus, > there must be some bitmap in the sender to tell TSCH scheduler > whether the TX cell is a Unicast cell or Broardcast Cell, i.e. > neighbors are listening or not sure. I do not think this is true. If the PAN coordinator (or whoever is giving out schedule information) sends information (over 6top or some other protocol) to device configuring cell for broadcast traffic, then the device will fill in the link information with nodeAddr of 0xffff, and can use that cell for broadcast traffic. It is true, that the device cannot know if the PAN coordinator hsa set up schedule so that not everybody is listening that broadcast cell, but for his point of view that cell is for broadcast traffic, and he can use it for that, and he should be listening it for broadcast transmissions. The PAN coordinator will then take care of giving schedule out in consistent way, i.e. if that cell is supposed to be broadcast traffic for everybody, he needs to give that information to everybody. I.e. for the devices point of view it is enough to have link that is for TX, SHARED, and RX with nodeAddr of 0xffff, and for him this is broadcast cell. > (2) It is indeed that IEEE80.15.4e uses LinkType to indicate if the cell is > for Advertisement, but does not say it cannot be used to broadcast other > message as you said. Thus, I wonder if 6top, as a sublayer, can take advantage > of LinkType to define the broadcast cell, and let the content of broadcast > come from broadcast Queue, EB or other broadcast message. I do not think there is any need to redefine what ADVERTISING means. It has clear meaning already and it is releated to the beacons, not broadcasts. Yes, beacons are quite often broadcast packets, but beacons can also be sent on links, which only the coordinator is transmitting, and everybody else is only listening. For real broadcast link you would need to be set up so that everybody will listen, and everybody can also send. > On Wednesday, September 30, 2015 2:16 PM, Tero Kivinen wrote: > > Qin Wang writes: > > In the IEEE802.15.4e, there are two attributes related with a cell, i.e. > > LinkOption and LinkType. LinkOption indicates TX, RX, Shared, or > Timekeeping; > > and LinkType indicates Normal or Advertising. According to my understanding, > > if the attributes of a cell are set as LinkOption = TX and LinkType= > > ADVERTISING, then the cell can be used as Broadcast cell. Make sense? > > LinkType of ADVERTISING means that this link is used to send enhanced > beacons out. There can be other broadcast traffic going out than > enhanced beacons, so I do not think you can only claim that > ADVERTISING links are broadcast cells. > > ADVERTISING = 1, and indicates the link may be used to send an > Enhanced beacon. > > and > > ADVERTISE links may be used to send Enhanced beacons as the > result of the MAC receiving a MLME-BEACON.request. > > I would assume that broadcast link is something that is defined so > that all devices are listening that, i.e. where the listeners have RX > bit on, and nodeAddr for the sender is set to 0xffff. I do not think > linkType has anything to do with that, but as 6top-interface-04 does > not define what broadcast link/cell means, it is impossible to say. -- kivinen@iki.fi From nobody Mon Oct 12 09:25:03 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 717EF1A88FE for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 09:24:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.277 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.277 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xZQ3DYDpDLiW for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 09:24:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x234.google.com (mail-wi0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 945211A88EC for <6tisch@ietf.org>; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 09:24:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wicgb1 with SMTP id gb1so56891732wic.1 for <6tisch@ietf.org>; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 09:24:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=SpbucH/ckn9M47SS9SKTrTiwflup59Lm3ogU5SXj/rw=; b=PwJm4ITvvufQ9Oh+Fl5Gxs0c3Ru/OthIxXhQGKN7j2SS9rhXckvbHOBqC/xa0CWxbs uAw48mi4BeEbjcOe3mXiStWzDe+zKX8tLMx1+bMFEzHHtmGaPQ6wIMrRpOEU2QUiqd1N CXWl7CRF5iEVD3+Q07zx+aixw2eFR5kzJ+mv28nxx48joPGEtgYYMR5MRQO1puzwsyPV DsC0hkjVjnUqhCrnjUddVd9VcM1FTcIi0WLR30snBAFV+Shjmy8cnWuya785rtdHLKUi EDsi8PN1QL3RnYgrb11U8HQtwTuCzPdzaEjTSGRB1ghP96LddKtljh9PpgzitfQDmqba 7thg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.10.101 with SMTP id h5mr14543348wib.22.1444667091175; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 09:24:51 -0700 (PDT) Sender: xvilajosana@gmail.com Received: by 10.27.86.137 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 09:24:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 18:24:51 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: INWp3YXHpQpOSlwWMVeXmFFRHHU Message-ID: From: Xavier Vilajosana To: Thomas Watteyne Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c26816c9d8820521eac4d7 Archived-At: Cc: "6tisch@ietf.org" <6tisch@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [6tisch] new term: 6top "Scheduling Function" X-BeenThere: 6tisch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss link layer model for Deterministic IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e, and impacts on RPL and 6LoWPAN such as resource allocation" <6tisch.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 16:24:55 -0000 --001a11c26816c9d8820521eac4d7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hello, I support the term Scheduling Function (SF) and once we reach consensus I will update the draft. regards, Xavi 2015-10-12 13:41 GMT+02:00 Thomas Watteyne : > All, > > At the call on Friday, some of your indicated that the term "6top > Objective Function" (6OF) introduced in > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-6tisch-6top-sublayer-02 is too > close to RPL's OF, and might lead to confusion. > > During the call, we agreed on the term "Scheduling Function" (SF). > > I hence ask the authors of > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-6tisch-6top-sublayer-02 to change > the term. Please raise further comments about this terminology in the next > 24h. > > Thomas > > _______________________________________________ > 6tisch mailing list > 6tisch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6tisch > > --001a11c26816c9d8820521eac4d7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,

I support the term Schedul= ing Function (SF) and once we reach consensus I will update the draft.
=
regards,
Xavi

<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">2015-10-12 13:41 GMT+02:00 Thomas Watteyne <watteyne@eecs.berkeley.edu>:
All,

At the call on Friday, some= of your indicated that the term "6top Objective Function" (6OF) = introduced in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-6tis= ch-6top-sublayer-02 is too close to RPL's OF, and might lead to con= fusion.

During the call, we agreed on the term &qu= ot;Scheduling Function" (SF).

I hence ask the= authors of=C2=A0https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-6= tisch-6top-sublayer-02 to change the term. Please raise further comment= s about this terminology in the next 24h.

Thomas

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--001a11c26816c9d8820521eac4d7-- From nobody Mon Oct 12 11:04:11 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E7CD1AC406 for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 11:04:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FOhTap6iVuUy for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 11:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-f173.google.com (mail-wi0-f173.google.com [209.85.212.173]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD39E1AC405 for <6tisch@ietf.org>; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 11:04:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wicgb1 with SMTP id gb1so59949803wic.1 for <6tisch@ietf.org>; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 11:04:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=gQ0uNgXUw6ATjdoVDZl9wbK541H8bfOBH9wQ/7IEwf8=; b=ST7RUNP83Jsx3jNtEtHhJ0zSsyjDdo8WZUNaCOXZzfHPJEy+glCMWV6Hnyjqnvk4oJ mqhWDXbIY7csUFUHgTRwH4IiFLilypeRF0D6i8gxNzRMRC0kQZOxKD0fn2liJDsa9ISE W3PqnBcxKEDPneOhl/bWGAVvwNNr+HtFj7Bz1bgUXpv2vQz2FKaocJw/foQJrI7FV1Sp dWcMVo4Wte7GE7DWM9OSKXcIVX3m3EFR8tYj4sUIYNk0HSaErksPu9lZRRblUBEghXSH YKCuSXJNj392wQ1iOtCGvdJ+teJwd8lQSqRW+sGxd9CeDti+Kji0Zq8YcTPs22u9l/Gj If1Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmCA1uHslajk7rrGUzEyO6Z6rIvQWJK/L270GivN3aGThcdujja/rftXlfvPrv4+b+NXDOI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.181.11.227 with SMTP id el3mr4434915wid.6.1444673046001; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 11:04:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.9.84 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 11:04:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 15:04:05 -0300 Message-ID: From: "Prof. Diego Dujovne" To: Xavier Vilajosana Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043be25eb971b00521ec27dd Archived-At: Cc: Thomas Watteyne , "6tisch@ietf.org" <6tisch@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [6tisch] new term: 6top "Scheduling Function" X-BeenThere: 6tisch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss link layer model for Deterministic IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e, and impacts on RPL and 6LoWPAN such as resource allocation" <6tisch.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 18:04:10 -0000 --f46d043be25eb971b00521ec27dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, I agree on the term "Scheduling Function" Regards, Diego Dujovne 2015-10-12 13:24 GMT-03:00 Xavier Vilajosana : > Hello, > > I support the term Scheduling Function (SF) and once we reach consensus I > will update the draft. > > regards, > Xavi > > 2015-10-12 13:41 GMT+02:00 Thomas Watteyne : > >> All, >> >> At the call on Friday, some of your indicated that the term "6top >> Objective Function" (6OF) introduced in >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-6tisch-6top-sublayer-02 is too >> close to RPL's OF, and might lead to confusion. >> >> During the call, we agreed on the term "Scheduling Function" (SF). >> >> I hence ask the authors of >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-6tisch-6top-sublayer-02 to change >> the term. Please raise further comments about this terminology in the ne= xt >> 24h. >> >> Thomas >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 6tisch mailing list >> 6tisch@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6tisch >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > 6tisch mailing list > 6tisch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6tisch > > --=20 DIEGO DUJOVNE Acad=C3=A9mico Escuela de Ingenier=C3=ADa en Inform=C3=A1tica y Telecomunic= aciones Facultad de Ingenier=C3=ADa UDP www.ingenieria.udp.cl (56 2) 676 8125 --f46d043be25eb971b00521ec27dd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear all,
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I agree on the term = "Scheduling Function"
Regards,

=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Diego Dujovne

2015-10-12 13:24 GMT-03:00 Xavier V= ilajosana <xvilajosana@eecs.berkeley.edu>:
Hello,

I support the term Scheduling Function (SF) and once we reach consensus = I will update the draft.

regards,
Xavi

2015-10-12 13:41 GMT+02:00 Thomas Watteyne <watteyne@eecs.berk= eley.edu>:
All,

At the call on = Friday, some of your indicated that the term "6top Objective Function&= quot; (6OF) introduced in https://tools.ietf.org/html/dra= ft-wang-6tisch-6top-sublayer-02 is too close to RPL's OF, and might= lead to confusion.

During the call, we agreed on = the term "Scheduling Function" (SF).

I h= ence ask the authors of=C2=A0https://tools.ietf.org/html/= draft-wang-6tisch-6top-sublayer-02 to change the term. Please raise fur= ther comments about this terminology in the next 24h.

Thomas

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Hi All,

 

Just a couple of comments on my reading of the -04 d= raft – still have some more reading to do…

 

page 16 - leaf "Peroid" should probably be= "Period"

page 17 - wouldn't leaf AvgTimeCorrection be more mn= emonic than AveTimeCorrection?

Also, this document is called "...6top-interfac= e" but then the document starts out with the statement "...this d= ocument defines a data model" -- seems like the document title should = be "...6top-data-model"

 

Randy


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--_000_DB5PR01MB1080ACB61F84233293ADA53B80310DB5PR01MB1080eurp_-- From nobody Mon Oct 12 11:41:56 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAF7D1B2B97; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 11:41:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m0DdAUgiKttz; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 11:41:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xenon23.um.es (xenon23.um.es [155.54.212.163]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E71091B2B94; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 11:41:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xenon23.um.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C74736C0; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 20:41:50 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by antispam in UMU at xenon23.um.es Received: from xenon23.um.es ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (xenon23.um.es [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id Tiiscu4OC4gI; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 20:41:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.44] (11.Red-79-144-178.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [79.144.178.11]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: rafa) by xenon23.um.es (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5A5ED36BC; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 20:41:47 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.0 \(3094\)) From: Rafa Marin Lopez In-Reply-To: <56162F1A.5020503@ackl.io> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 20:41:46 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <56162F1A.5020503@ackl.io> To: Alexander Pelov X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3094) Archived-At: Cc: 6tisch@ietf.org, Dan Garcia , Rafa Marin Lopez , ace@ietf.org Subject: Re: [6tisch] [Ace] Optimizing EAP-over-CoAP payload X-BeenThere: 6tisch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss link layer model for Deterministic IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e, and impacts on RPL and 6LoWPAN such as resource allocation" <6tisch.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 18:41:54 -0000 Dear Alexander: Thanks for your comments=20 > El 8 oct 2015, a las 10:53, Alexander Pelov escribi=C3=B3: >=20 > Dear Rafa, >=20 > I've been reading the latest version of your draft ( = draft-marin-ace-wg-coap-eap-01.txt ), and I have a couple of questions = regarding some of the payload options, which could be optimized even = further: >=20 > 1) Use shorter name for the /auth resource > 2) Mandate the use of zero-length CoAP token >=20 > The first, and the more simple one, is - would it be possible to = change the name of the authentication resource from /auth to a shorter = one (like /a)? Maybe it could be an option to change the name of this = resource, based on the underlaying architecture, e.g. an RFC could = mandate that in a specific network the resource could be named /a, = whereas the default value could remain /auth? [Rafa] I do not see any problem to shorten the resource name. >=20 > The second, which is a little bit more subtle. Tokens are used to = match responses to requests, but during the authentication/authorization = phase a single peer (endpoint) would communicate with a single = authenticator. Moreover, the communication happens in a serial fashion, = and responses are piggybacked. This falls in the case when zero-length = token is also advised by RFC7252. Do you think that it would be = appropriate to make the use of zero-length token mandatory for = EAP-over-CoAP? [Rafa] I guess you are referring to this text: =20 "An empty token value is appropriate e.g., when no other tokens are in use to a destination, "or when requests are made serially per destination and receive piggybacked responses.=E2=80=9D= I would say that using zero-length token is possible. What I am not sure = is whether make it mandatory or not. I mean we could say that if the = client sends a zero-length token the server can consider it OK as per = the text above. If there is a non-zero length token value should be also = fine. What do you think? Best Regards. >=20 > Best, > Alexander >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ace mailing list > Ace@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ace ------------------------------------------------------- Rafael Marin Lopez, PhD Dept. Information and Communications Engineering (DIIC) Faculty of Computer Science-University of Murcia 30100 Murcia - Spain Telf: +34868888501 Fax: +34868884151 e-mail: rafa@um.es ------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Mon Oct 12 12:02:08 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 855141B3400; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 12:02:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.55 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XgiJG1mPRe5R; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 12:02:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 256531B349B; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 12:01:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::b]) by mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t9CJ1ZwU021324; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 21:01:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from nar.local (p5DC7F6AE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [93.199.246.174]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3nZTrG6LSHz4psB; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 21:01:34 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <561C038C.7090305@tzi.org> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 21:01:32 +0200 From: Carsten Bormann User-Agent: Postbox 4.0.5 (Macintosh/20150923) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rafa Marin Lopez References: <56162F1A.5020503@ackl.io> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.2.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: 6tisch@ietf.org, Alexander Pelov , Dan Garcia , ace@ietf.org Subject: Re: [6tisch] [Ace] Optimizing EAP-over-CoAP payload X-BeenThere: 6tisch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss link layer model for Deterministic IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e, and impacts on RPL and 6LoWPAN such as resource allocation" <6tisch.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 19:02:05 -0000 Rafa Marin Lopez wrote: > I would say that using zero-length token is possible. What I am not sure is whether make it mandatory or not. I mean we could say that if the client sends a zero-length token the server can consider it OK as per the text above. If there is a non-zero length token value should be also fine. There is never a reason to discuss token values -- these are chosen by the requester based on its needs, and there is never a reason for a responder to question that choice. 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Since it will likely be presented as well in Yokohama, we are calling for reviews. Please read the draft and post comments to the ML. Authors, please capture suggestions in the issue tracker at https://bitbucket.org/6tisch/draft-wang-6tisch-6top-sublayer/wiki/Home. Thomas --001a11c2641ebe24730521efc512 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
All,

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-= wang-6tisch-6top-sublayer-02 was publshed a couple of days ago and was = actively presented/discussed during the 6TiSCH interim meeting on 9 Oct. Si= nce it will likely be presented as well in Yokohama, we are calling for rev= iews.

Please read the draft and post comments = to the ML. Authors, please capture suggestions in the issue tracker at=C2= =A0https://bitbucket.org/6tisch/draft-wang-6tisch-6top-sublayer/wik= i/Home.

Thomas
--001a11c2641ebe24730521efc512-- From nobody Mon Oct 12 21:44:54 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E3B1B3774 for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 21:44:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.916 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.916 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RELAY_IS_203=0.994, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7C1hbBf4_beP for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 21:44:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.iisc.ernet.in (relay.iisc.ernet.in [203.200.35.70]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 975521B376A for <6tisch@ietf.org>; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 21:44:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ece.iisc.ernet.in (www.ece.iisc.ernet.in [10.32.1.10]) by relay.iisc.ernet.in (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id t9D4iOrg023208 for <6tisch@ietf.org>; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 10:14:24 +0530 Received: from [10.32.14.64] ([10.32.14.64]) by ece.iisc.ernet.in (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id t9D4jh0x017494 for <6tisch@ietf.org>; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 10:15:43 +0530 Message-ID: <561C8C24.20900@ece.iisc.ernet.in> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 10:14:20 +0530 From: "S.V.R.Anand" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 6tisch@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010806000506030005020005" X-IISc-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-IISc-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-IISc-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-2.898, required 6.5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, BAYES_00 -1.90, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, URIBL_BLOCKED 0.00) X-IISc-MailScanner-From: anand@ece.iisc.ernet.in Archived-At: Subject: Re: [6tisch] new term: 6top "Scheduling Function" X-BeenThere: 6tisch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss link layer model for Deterministic IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e, and impacts on RPL and 6LoWPAN such as resource allocation" <6tisch.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 04:44:52 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010806000506030005020005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear All, The term "Scheduling Function" is fine with me too! It might be slightly hiding the intent though :) But that is fine. Anand On Monday 12 October 2015 11:34 PM, Prof. Diego Dujovne wrote: > Dear all, > I agree on the term "Scheduling Function" > Regards, > > Diego Dujovne > > 2015-10-12 13:24 GMT-03:00 Xavier Vilajosana : > > Hello, > > I support the term Scheduling Function (SF) and once we reach consensus I will update the draft. > > regards, > Xavi > > 2015-10-12 13:41 GMT+02:00 Thomas Watteyne : > > All, > > At the call on Friday, some of your indicated that the term "6top Objective Function" (6OF) introduced in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-6tisch-6top-sublayer-02 is too close to RPL's OF, and might lead to confusion. > > During the call, we agreed on the term "Scheduling Function" (SF). > > I hence ask the authors of https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-6tisch-6top-sublayer-02 to change the term. Please raise further comments about this terminology in the next 24h. > > Thomas > > _______________________________________________ > 6tisch mailing list > 6tisch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6tisch > > > > _______________________________________________ > 6tisch mailing list > 6tisch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6tisch > > > > > -- > DIEGO DUJOVNE > Acadmico Escuela de Ingeniera en Informtica y Telecomunicaciones > Facultad de Ingeniera UDP > www.ingenieria.udp.cl > (56 2) 676 8125 > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > 6tisch mailing list > 6tisch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6tisch -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --------------010806000506030005020005 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear All,

The term "Scheduling Function" is fine with me too!

It might be slightly hiding the intent though :) But that is fine.

Anand


On Monday 12 October 2015 11:34 PM, Prof. Diego Dujovne wrote:
> Dear all,
> I agree on the term "Scheduling Function"
> Regards,
>
> Diego Dujovne
>
> 2015-10-12 13:24 GMT-03:00 Xavier Vilajosana <xvilajosana@eecs.berkeley.edu>:
>
> Hello,
>
> I support the term Scheduling Function (SF) and once we reach consensus I will update the draft.
>
> regards,
> Xavi
>
> 2015-10-12 13:41 GMT+02:00 Thomas Watteyne <watteyne@eecs.berkeley.edu>:
>
> All,
>
> At the call on Friday, some of your indicated that the term "6top Objective Function" (6OF) introduced in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-6tisch-6top-sublayer-02 is too close to RPL's OF, and might lead to confusion.
>
> During the call, we agreed on the term "Scheduling Function" (SF).
>
> I hence ask the authors of https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-6tisch-6top-sublayer-02 to change the term. Please raise further comments about this terminology in the next 24h.
>
> Thomas
>
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>
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> DIEGO DUJOVNE
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[82.55.76.91]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ld5sm1251842wjc.18.2015.10.12.22.18.13 for <6tisch@ietf.org> (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 12 Oct 2015 22:18:13 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) From: Alfredo Grieco In-Reply-To: <561C8C24.20900@ece.iisc.ernet.in> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 07:18:12 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0458A9FD-E1C9-4FDD-BF56-1D0837F3CBE1@gmail.com> References: <561C8C24.20900@ece.iisc.ernet.in> To: 6tisch@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [6tisch] new term: 6top "Scheduling Function" X-BeenThere: 6tisch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss link layer model for Deterministic IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e, and impacts on RPL and 6LoWPAN such as resource allocation" <6tisch.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 05:18:20 -0000 Dear all, I agree too. Alfredo > Il giorno 13/ott/2015, alle ore 06:44, S.V.R.Anand = ha scritto: >=20 > Dear All, >=20 > The term "Scheduling Function" is fine with me too!=20 >=20 > It might be slightly hiding the intent though :) But that is fine. >=20 > Anand >=20 >=20 > On Monday 12 October 2015 11:34 PM, Prof. Diego Dujovne wrote: > > Dear all, >=20 > > I agree on the term "Scheduling Function" >=20 >=20 > > Regards, >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > Diego Dujovne >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > 2015-10-12 13:24 GMT-03:00 Xavier Vilajosana > =20 > : >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > Hello, >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > I support the term Scheduling Function (SF) and once we > reach consensus I will update the draft. >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > regards, >=20 >=20 > > Xavi >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > 2015-10-12 13:41 GMT+02:00 Thomas Watteyne > =20 > : >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > All, >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > At the call on Friday, some of your indicated that > the term "6top Objective Function" (6OF) introduced in > =20 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-6tisch-6top-sublayer-02 > is > too close to RPL's OF, and might lead to confusion. >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > During the call, we agreed on the term "Scheduling > Function" (SF). >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > I hence ask the authors of > =20 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-6tisch-6top-sublayer-02 > to > change the term. Please raise further comments about this > terminology in the next 24h. >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > Thomas >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > _______________________________________________ >=20 >=20 > > 6tisch mailing list >=20 >=20 > > =20 > 6tisch@ietf.org >=20 > > =20 > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6tisch >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > _______________________________________________ >=20 >=20 > > 6tisch mailing list >=20 >=20 > > =20 > 6tisch@ietf.org >=20 > > =20 > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6tisch >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > --=20 >=20 >=20 > > DIEGO DUJOVNE >=20 >=20 > > Acad=E9mico Escuela de Ingenier=EDa en Inform=E1tica y > Telecomunicaciones >=20 >=20 > > Facultad de Ingenier=EDa UDP >=20 >=20 > >=20 > www.ingenieria.udp.cl >=20 > > (56 2) 676 8125 >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > --=20 >=20 >=20 > > This message has been scanned for viruses and >=20 >=20 > > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >=20 >=20 > > believed to be clean. >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > _______________________________________________ >=20 >=20 > > 6tisch mailing list >=20 >=20 > >=20 > 6tisch@ietf.org >=20 > >=20 > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6tisch >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is=20 > believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ > 6tisch mailing list > 6tisch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6tisch --=20 Luigi Alfredo Grieco, PhD=20 Associate Professor Dep. of Electrical and Information Engineering (DEI) Politecnico di Bari Via Orabona, 4 70125 - Bari - Italy Phone: +39 080 5963 911 url: telematics.poliba.it mail: alfredo.grieco@poliba.it linkedin: it.linkedin.com/in/alfredogrieco From nobody Tue Oct 13 01:02:39 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E294B1B3A3C for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 01:02:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.212 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.212 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id obCguyXODYDO for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 01:02:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hercules.uni.lu (hercules.uni.lu [158.64.76.33]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 708121B3AAB for <6tisch@ietf.org>; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 01:02:34 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.17,677,1437429600"; d="scan'208";a="78795598" From: Maria Rita PALATTELLA To: Alfredo Grieco , "6tisch@ietf.org" <6tisch@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: [6tisch] new term: 6top "Scheduling Function" Thread-Index: AQHRBOLwjLuPnSb/xUCd5Pr2Hq2Xop5n6b2AgAAbuYCAALLjAIAACXYAgABOs2A= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 08:00:41 +0000 Message-ID: References: <561C8C24.20900@ece.iisc.ernet.in> <0458A9FD-E1C9-4FDD-BF56-1D0837F3CBE1@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <0458A9FD-E1C9-4FDD-BF56-1D0837F3CBE1@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.91.2.208] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [6tisch] new term: 6top "Scheduling Function" X-BeenThere: 6tisch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss link layer model for Deterministic IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e, and impacts on RPL and 6LoWPAN such as resource allocation" <6tisch.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 08:02:39 -0000 It works for me too. Thanks! Maria Rita -----Original Message----- From: 6tisch [mailto:6tisch-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alfredo Grieco Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 7:18 AM To: 6tisch@ietf.org Subject: Re: [6tisch] new term: 6top "Scheduling Function" Dear all, I agree too. Alfredo > Il giorno 13/ott/2015, alle ore 06:44, S.V.R.Anand ha scritto: >=20 > Dear All, >=20 > The term "Scheduling Function" is fine with me too!=20 >=20 > It might be slightly hiding the intent though :) But that is fine. >=20 > Anand >=20 >=20 > On Monday 12 October 2015 11:34 PM, Prof. Diego Dujovne wrote: > > Dear all, >=20 > > I agree on the term "Scheduling Function" >=20 >=20 > > Regards, >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > Diego Dujovne >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > 2015-10-12 13:24 GMT-03:00 Xavier Vilajosana > =20 > : >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > Hello, >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > I support the term Scheduling Function (SF) and once we > reach consensus I will update the draft. >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > regards, >=20 >=20 > > Xavi >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > 2015-10-12 13:41 GMT+02:00 Thomas Watteyne > =20 > : >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > All, >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > At the call on Friday, some of your indicated that > the term "6top Objective Function" (6OF) introduced in > =20 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-6tisch-6top-sublayer-02 > is > too close to RPL's OF, and might lead to confusion. >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > During the call, we agreed on the term "Scheduling > Function" (SF). >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > I hence ask the authors of > =20 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-6tisch-6top-sublayer-02 > to > change the term. Please raise further comments about this > terminology in the next 24h. >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > Thomas >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > _______________________________________________ >=20 >=20 > > 6tisch mailing list >=20 >=20 > > =20 > 6tisch@ietf.org >=20 > > =20 > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6tisch >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > _______________________________________________ >=20 >=20 > > 6tisch mailing list >=20 >=20 > > =20 > 6tisch@ietf.org >=20 > > =20 > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6tisch >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > -- >=20 >=20 > > DIEGO DUJOVNE >=20 >=20 > > Acad=E9mico Escuela de Ingenier=EDa en Inform=E1tica y > Telecomunicaciones >=20 >=20 > > Facultad de Ingenier=EDa UDP >=20 >=20 > > > www.ingenieria.udp.cl >=20 > > (56 2) 676 8125 >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > -- >=20 >=20 > > This message has been scanned for viruses and >=20 >=20 > > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >=20 >=20 > > believed to be clean. >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > _______________________________________________ >=20 >=20 > > 6tisch mailing list >=20 >=20 > > > 6tisch@ietf.org >=20 > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6tisch >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by=20 > MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.=20 > _______________________________________________ > 6tisch mailing list > 6tisch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6tisch -- Luigi Alfredo Grieco, PhD Associate Professor Dep. of Electrical and Information Engineering (DEI) Politecnico di Bari Vi= a Orabona, 4 70125 - Bari - Italy Phone: +39 080 5963 911 url: telematics.poliba.it mail: alfredo.grieco@poliba.it linkedin: it.linkedin.com/in/alfredogrieco _______________________________________________ 6tisch mailing list 6tisch@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6tisch From nobody Tue Oct 13 04:54:27 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 092751B2F94 for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 04:54:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.017 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.017 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_OBFUSCATE_05_10=0.26, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o6KxXvFPKB35 for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 04:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x232.google.com (mail-wi0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 814E81B2F93 for <6tisch@ietf.org>; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 04:54:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wicge5 with SMTP id ge5so187537149wic.0 for <6tisch@ietf.org>; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 04:54:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=4yU8xN1vjRStPlLHn6Ptm0yfX+DDbby8aBPwNu8YCXc=; b=nANOogHhUDV3jAs35A2SUw3crqvR7Z/00lfkeG2zp3tYPMJAI7vFF8rlWf9nDs1Eau pYa/FpCdQ3W/xAkZsBlp7+DrjPc9bkZWatR5waevf2qDGYjgr+xkQBESddXBAMAQOPVE MAI4YLKX7a9i986AsBGGjpxOsaAJm5nHqiB+ZtfIQ+Ic+IoixLXA/eu7y5teo+BVJvVr 6sI2Ki8gEzNUZFk0IVWRnmOUa/yyskD08Dyjl8mCaDwT+B8l0rc0mVsE43pGThUE/2vR GuQJokcFIOAbWmhRpVDR2LeewQXiplPdlrfk9MnAdpB0pdZKfhZQoWYoFzibl70sS+Qo hhVA== X-Received: by 10.180.88.201 with SMTP id bi9mr19353408wib.21.1444737259901; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 04:54:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: twatteyne@gmail.com Received: by 10.28.25.199 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 04:54:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Thomas Watteyne Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 13:54:00 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: lu2Oir5cGJKgGCLPAzxU0DTo5yM Message-ID: To: "6tisch@ietf.org" <6tisch@ietf.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044281222b97ba0521fb1b33 Archived-At: Subject: [6tisch] minute ad-hoc meeting SF0, 13 October 2015 X-BeenThere: 6tisch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss link layer model for Deterministic IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e, and impacts on RPL and 6LoWPAN such as resource allocation" <6tisch.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 11:54:25 -0000 --f46d044281222b97ba0521fb1b33 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 In an effort to prepare the re-factoring of https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dujovne-6tisch-on-the-fly-06 into what will become the SF0, we had an ad-hoc meeting with the authors of that draft. Minutes below. Thomas ---- Minutes, 13 October 2015, ad-hoc meeting SF0 Note: times in CET NO recording was made, since this is an ad-hoc (no WG interim) meeting. Present - Diego Dujovne - Nicola Accettura - Alfredo Grieco - Maria Rita Palattella - Thomas Watteyne action items - *Diego* to rename repo, create skeleton of SF0 document, and assign tasks - *Nicola* to write down exact formula for calculating the timeout - *Nicola* and *Thomas* to be available to write parts of the document - *Maria Rita* and *Alfredo* to proof-read documents before publication goal discuss how to re-factor https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dujovne-6tisch-on-the-fly-06 into the SF0 draft, so fits nicely on top of https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-6tisch-6top-sublayer-02 minutes - meeting starts at 11.00 AM - Intro - *Thomas* details the idea of 6P+SF0 - *Maria Rita*: Define mechanism to select the cell. Give basic rule on how to pick the cell. For example, how to pick the cells. We were relying on the monitoring already there, but now it should be done by the SF0. - *Thomas* agreed. Cells could be selected randomly. We need to align the two drafts. Look at what is written in the sublayer draft. Sec. 4.2 lists what a SF must do. - *Maria Rita*: what is the timeout? - *Thomas* timeout value depends on the RTT between neighbors. We can put a high value, nevertheless the scheduler function knows the cells already with the neighbor, so it may calculate a timeout value. - *Maria Rita*: what is the container field? - *Thomas* allows us to use multiple SFs on the same node, and use them on different slotframes/chunks. - *Maria Rita*: what is a cell identified with? - *Thomas* 4-byte cell identifier. Container generic. e.g. always from container 0, or the container is a set of flags, or the container can be the chunk number. - *Nicola* The cell selection a request a block of cells, so the receiver can choose the channel offset. Maybe identified by boundaries (set of cells) for allocating one or more cells. Indicate many: the whole block offset can be allocated, but also the channel offset. - *Thomas* great idea, but maybe more an extension for the simple mechanism, with cell boundaries. We can evolve to a new version. So we can say that two cells can mean the beginning and the end. - *Nicola* both must understand the same meaning on both ends. If a bigger set of cells is proposed, there is a higher chance to have a successful allocation. All the available cells on the transmitter side. - *Thomas* agreed that in that case it's more efficient to encode it as a range rather than a list of discrete cells. But maintains that this is an optimization for cases where the schedule is very dense - *Nicola* agrees that better for other scheduling functions apart from SF0. Even just saying the channel offset. Slot offset may generate more conflicts than channel offset. - *Thomas* We are not aiming to put the complete list of cells. Not exhaustive. If the first don't work, try others. We are talking of the probability to choose from the ones proposed, which is very high, given that schedule is mostly empty. Some optimizations can be proposed in case the schedule is filled. What you describe is a more efficient way of describing a range of cells. This can be described using by using what is specified on 3.1.5 of the sublayer draft. - Go over the requirements for an SF in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-6tisch-6top-sublayer-02#section-4.2 - MUST specify an identifier for that 6OF. - IANA_SF0_ID. In IANA Consideration section, ask IANA to allocate a number. We recommend "0". - MUST specify a set of rules for a node to decide when to add one or more cells to a neighbor. - contents of https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dujovne-6tisch-on-the-fly-06#section-2 and https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dujovne-6tisch-on-the-fly-06#section-7 combined - *Maria Rita* we can distinguish 2 phases: - estimation (section 7) - based on estimation, comparison and decide to ADD/DELETE (section 2) - *Nicola*: issue: exchange add/remove cells - *Thomas* creates an issue on the OTF issue tracker. - MUST specify a set of rules for a node to decide when to delete one or more cells to a neighbor. - same as above - MUST specify a value for the timeout, or a rule to calculate it. - *Nicola* describes a formula which depends on backoff algorithm - Action item: *Nicola* to write down exact formula for calculating the timeout - MUST specify a meaning for the "Container" field in the 6P ADD Request. - value in the container field is the slotframe handle to pick from - we RECOMMEND to announced as a second slotframe in the EB, with NO slots - MUST specify the rule for selecting the cells (including their number) to add to the CellList field in the 6P ADD Request. - *Nicola*: More priority to the 6OF traffic? Possible overlap of Minimal with the 6OF slotframe. - *Thomas*: Possible deadlock if higher priority given to 6OF. - *Nicola*: Multicast traffic-related higher priority. - *Maria Rita*: There is no mechanism to allow 6OF change priorities. - *Thomas*: Slotframe handle 0 for Minimal and Slotframe 1 for 6OF. - A node SHOULD NOT select cells for the candidate list which overlap with cells scheduled in the minimal slotframe - We RECOMMEND that the length of the OTF slotframe is an integer multiple of the length of the minimal slotframe - *Thomas* creates an issue on the 6top-sublayer draft: remove "(including their number)": - OLD: MUST specify the rule for selecting the cells (including their number) to add to the CellList field in the 6P ADD Request. - NEW: MUST specify the rule for selecting the cells to add to the CellList field in the 6P ADD Request. - MUST specify the rule for verifying which cells from the CellList it can add to it schedule. - go through the candidate list in order. Pick the first NumCells cells which are not used in the current schedule. - MUST specify what to do after an error has occurred - either the node sent a 6P Response with an error code, or received one - RC_SUCCESS but no cells in the CellList of the response: means neighbor receive request, but no cells in the CellList are usable. In that case, retry immediate with a different celllist or a new random set if not enough RAM. - RC_ERR_VER: do not try again, blacklist the neighbor if RAM permits. - RC_ERR_6OFID: do not try again, blacklist the neighbor if RAM permits - RC_ERR_NORESOURCES wait for timeout and retry - RC_ERR_BUSY issue a RESET (new command needed) - SHOULD clearly state the application domain the 6OF is created for. - SF0 is generic, not optimized for particular application. - SHOULD contain examples which highlight normal and error scenarios. - *Nicola* to provide a diagram which shows when/why 3-way handshake is used. - SHOULD contain a performance evaluation of the scheme, possibly through references to external documents. - the SF MUST specify the behavior of a mote when it boots - if the has non-volatile and have a schedule, MUST verify with COUNT and MAY versify or more LIST to verify coherence - if not volatile, MAY do a COUNT, and either issue a CLEAR or ask LIST explicitly - changes to draft-sublayer - RC missing - RC_RESET: sent by receiving node when internal server error - commands missing - CLEAR: remove every cell from me - COUNT: tell me how many cells from me are in your schedule - LIST: ask a neighbor list the cells you have to it. Include an start index. sorted by slotoffset first/channeloffset second - relocation - add a section about the idea of maintaining stats and comparing PDRs between different cells, but leave the threshold as implementation specific - meeting ends at 12.50 PM --f46d044281222b97ba0521fb1b33 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In an effort to prepare the re-factoring of https://tools.= ietf.org/html/draft-dujovne-6tisch-on-the-fly-06 into what will become = the SF0, we had an ad-hoc meeting with the authors of that draft.

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Minutes below.

Thomas

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Minutes, 13 October 2015, ad-hoc meeting = SF0

Note: times in CET

NO recording was made, since this is an ad-hoc (no = WG interim) meeting.

Present

  • Diego Dujovne
  • Nicola Accettura
  • Alfredo Grieco
  • Mar= ia Rita Palattella
  • Thomas Watteyne

action items

  • Diego= =C2=A0to rename repo, create skeleton of SF0 document, and assign tasks
  • Nicola=C2=A0to write d= own exact formula for calculating the timeout
  • Nicola=C2=A0and=C2=A0Thomas=C2= =A0to be available to write parts of the document
  • Maria Rita=C2=A0and=C2=A0Alfredo=C2=A0to proof-read documents before publication

goal

discuss how to re-factor=C2=A0https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-du= jovne-6tisch-on-the-fly-06=C2=A0into the SF0 draft, so fits nicely on t= op of=C2=A0https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-6tisch-6top-sublayer-02

minutes

  • meeting starts at 11.00 AM
  • Intro
    • Thomas=C2=A0details the idea of 6P+SF0
    • Maria Rita: Define me= chanism to select the cell. Give basic rule on how to pick the cell. For ex= ample, how to pick the cells. We were relying on the monitoring already the= re, but now it should be done by the SF0.
    • Thomas=C2=A0agreed. Cells could be selected randomly= . We need to align the two drafts. Look at what is written in the sublayer = draft. Sec. 4.2 lists what a SF must do.
    • Maria Rita: what is the timeout?
    • Thomas=C2=A0timeout value depends on th= e RTT between neighbors. We can put a high value, nevertheless the schedule= r function knows the cells already with the neighbor, so it may calculate a= timeout value.
    • Maria Rita: what is the container field?
    • Thomas=C2=A0allows us to use multiple SFs on the same no= de, and use them on different slotframes/chunks.
    • Maria Rita: what is a cell identified with?
    • Thomas=C2=A04-byte c= ell identifier. Container generic. e.g. always from container 0, or the con= tainer is a set of flags, or the container can be the chunk number.
    • Nicola=C2=A0The cell selec= tion a request a block of cells, so the receiver can choose the channel off= set. Maybe identified by boundaries (set of cells) for allocating one or mo= re cells. Indicate many: the whole block offset can be allocated, but also = the channel offset.
    • Thomas=C2=A0great idea, but maybe more an extension for the simple mechani= sm, with cell boundaries. We can evolve to a new version. So we can say tha= t two cells can mean the beginning and the end.
    • Nicola=C2=A0both must understand the same mean= ing on both ends. If a bigger set of cells is proposed, there is a higher c= hance to have a successful allocation. All the available cells on the trans= mitter side.
    • Thomas= =C2=A0agreed that in that case it's more efficient to encode it as a ra= nge rather than a list of discrete cells. But maintains that this is an opt= imization for cases where the schedule is very dense
    • Nicola=C2=A0agrees that better for other = scheduling functions apart from SF0. Even just saying the channel offset. S= lot offset may generate more conflicts than channel offset.
    • Thomas=C2=A0We are not aiming to= put the complete list of cells. Not exhaustive. If the first don't wor= k, try others. We are talking of the probability to choose from the ones pr= oposed, which is very high, given that schedule is mostly empty. Some optim= izations can be proposed in case the schedule is filled. What you describe = is a more efficient way of describing a range of cells. This can be describ= ed using by using what is specified on 3.1.5 of the sublayer draft.
    • Go over the requirements for an S= F in=C2=A0https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-6tisch-6top-sublaye= r-02#section-4.2
      • MUST specify an identifier for that 6OF.
        • IANA_SF0_ID. In IANA Consideration s= ection, ask IANA to allocate a number. We recommend "0".
        • MUST specify a set of rules for a = node to decide when to add one or more cells to a neighbor.
        • MUS= T specify a set of rules for a node to decide when to delete one or more ce= lls to a neighbor.
          • same as above
        • MUST spec= ify a value for the timeout, or a rule to calculate it.
          • Nicola=C2=A0descri= bes a formula which depends on backoff algorithm
          • Action item:=C2=A0Nicola=C2=A0to write down e= xact formula for calculating the timeout
        • MUST specify a meaning for the "Container" field i= n the 6P ADD Request.
          • value in the container field is the slotframe handle to pick from
          • we RECOMMEND to announced as a second s= lotframe in the EB, with NO slots
        • MUST specify the rule for selecting the cells (including their numb= er) to add to the CellList field in the 6P ADD Request.
          • Nicola: More prior= ity to the 6OF traffic? Possible overlap of Minimal with the 6OF slotframe.=
          • Thomas: Possible d= eadlock if higher priority given to 6OF.
          • Nicola: Multicast traffic-related higher priority.
          • Maria Rita: There is = no mechanism to allow 6OF change priorities.
          • Thomas: Slotframe handle 0 for Minimal and Slotfr= ame 1 for 6OF.
          • A node SHOULD NOT sel= ect cells for the candidate list which overlap with cells scheduled in the = minimal slotframe
          • We RECOMMEND that = the length of the OTF slotframe is an integer multiple of the length of the= minimal slotframe
          • Thomas=C2=A0creates an issue on the 6top-sublayer draft: remove "(incl= uding their number)":
            • OLD: MUST specify the rule for selecting the cells (inc= luding their number) to add to the CellList field in the 6P ADD Request.
            • NEW: MUST specify the rule for selecti= ng the cells to add to the CellList field in the 6P ADD Request.
            <= /li>
        • MUST specify the rule for = verifying which cells from the CellList it can add to it schedule.
          • go through the candidate= list in order. Pick the first NumCells cells which are not used in the cur= rent schedule.
        • MUST specif= y what to do after an error has occurred
          • either the node sent a 6P Response with an error = code, or received one
          • RC_SUCCESS=C2=A0bu= t no cells in the CellList of the response: means neighbor receive request,= but no cells in the CellList are usable. In that case, retry immediate wit= h a different celllist or a new random set if not enough RAM.
          • RC_ERR_VER: do not try again, blacklist the neighbor = if RAM permits.
          • RC_ERR_6OFID: do not try= again, blacklist the neighbor if RAM permits
          • R= C_ERR_NORESOURCES=C2=A0wait for timeout and retry
          • RC_ERR_BUSY=C2=A0issue a RESET (new command needed)
          • SHOULD clearly state the applica= tion domain the 6OF is created for.
            • SF0 is generic, not optimized for particular applicatio= n.
          • SHOULD contain examples= which highlight normal and error scenarios.
            • Nicola=C2=A0to provide a diag= ram which shows when/why 3-way handshake is used.
          • SHOULD contain a performance evaluation of the sc= heme, possibly through references to external documents.
          • the SF MUST specify the behavior of a mote when it boo= ts
            • if the has no= n-volatile and have a schedule, MUST verify with COUNT and MAY versify or m= ore LIST to verify coherence
            • if not = volatile, MAY do a COUNT, and either issue a CLEAR or ask LIST explicitly
        • changes to draft-= sublayer
          • RC miss= ing
            • RC_RESET: se= nt by receiving node when internal server error
          • commands missing
            • CLEAR: remove every cell from me
            • COUNT: tell me how many cells from me are in your schedule
            • =
            • LIST: ask a neighbor list the cells you have= to it. Include an start index. sorted by slotoffset first/channeloffset se= cond
        • relocation<= ul style=3D"margin:0px">
        • add a section ab= out the idea of maintaining stats and comparing PDRs between different cell= s, but leave the threshold as implementation specific
      • meeting ends at 12.50 PM
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X-BeenThere: 6tisch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss link layer model for Deterministic IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e, and impacts on RPL and 6LoWPAN such as resource allocation" <6tisch.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 13:45:44 -0000 --_000_988A85FFFC503944A7588C70D4A6F11752D3D66CKAMACITEInterDi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Pascal, "This particular work will focus on IP traffic since the work on tracks is = not yet advanced enough to specify their requirements for OTF operations. " It seems we still limit OTF to IP traffic. My previous concern still holds = and I tend to disagree with the sentence above from charter2.0 description = for the following reasons: * First, in 6tisch architecture draft, it is mentioned that a track= can be built on soft cells. * Second, if OTF is limited to IP traffic, OTF appears to me a pure= ly layer-3 (or IP layer) mechanism. Then, why 6TiSCH WG handles IP-layer-on= ly mechanism? Should it be beyond the scope of 6TiSCH WG? * Third, Charter2.0 implies some work to be done and/or work-in-pro= gress. I feel whether we can use "this work is not fully done" as a reason = to exclude it from the charter 2.0. Just my 2 cents. Thanks, Chonggang From: 6tisch [mailto:6tisch-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pascal Thubert (= pthubert) Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 11:49 AM To: 6tisch@ietf.org Subject: [6tisch] OTF: IP or not IP? Dear all: Following up on the comments at the interim, My suggestion is to update ite= m 3 as follows: 3. Produce an "On-the-fly" (OTF) specification to enable a distributed dyna= mic scheduling of time slots with the capability for IoT routers to appropriate chunks of the matrix without starving, or interfering with, other 6TiSCH no= des. This particular work will focus on IP traffic since the work on tracks is n= ot yet advanced enough to specify their requirements for OTF operations. I remove the 'for IP traffic' within the main text to indicate that the ini= tial focus is N IP traffic but I hope that now it is more clear that future work on track= s is not precluded. Does that address the comment? Cheers, Pascal --_000_988A85FFFC503944A7588C70D4A6F11752D3D66CKAMACITEInterDi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Pascal,<= /span>

 

This par= ticular work will focus on IP traffic since the work on tracks is not<= /o:p>

yet advanced enough to specify their requirements fo= r OTF operations.

It seems we still limi= t OTF to IP traffic. My previous concern still holds and I tend to disagree= with the sentence above from charter2.0 description for the following reas= ons:

·         First, in 6tis= ch architecture draft, it is mentioned that a track can be built on soft ce= lls.

·         Second, if OTF= is limited to IP traffic, OTF appears to me a purely layer-3 (or IP layer)= mechanism. Then, why 6TiSCH WG handles IP-layer-only mechanism? Should it = be beyond the scope of 6TiSCH WG?

·         Third, Charter= 2.0 implies some work to be done and/or work-in-progress. I feel whether we= can use “this work is not fully done” as a reason to exclude i= t from the charter 2.0.

 

Just my 2 cents. =

 

Thanks,

Chonggang

 

From: 6tisch [mailto:6tisch-bounces@ietf.org]= On Behalf Of Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 11:49 AM
To: 6tisch@ietf.org
Subject: [6tisch] OTF: IP or not IP?

 

Dear all:

 

Following up on the comments at the interim, My sugg= estion is to update item 3 as follows:

 

 

3. Produce an “On-the-fly" (OTF) specific= ation to enable a distributed dynamic

scheduling of time slots with the capability for IoT= routers to appropriate

chunks of the matrix without starving, or interferin= g with, other 6TiSCH nodes.

This particular work will focus on IP traffic since = the work on tracks is not

yet advanced enough to specify their requirements fo= r OTF operations.

 

I remove the ‘for IP traffic’ within the= main text to indicate that the initial focus is

N IP traffic but I hope that now it is more clear th= at future work on tracks is not precluded.

Does that address the comment?

 

Cheers,

 

Pascal

 

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--94eb2c0baa9c646991052205b11a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1 Tengfei On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 9:55 PM, Wang, Chonggang < Chonggang.Wang@interdigital.com> wrote: > Agree too. > > > > Chonggang > > > > *From:* 6tisch [mailto:6tisch-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Prof. > Diego Dujovne > *Sent:* Monday, October 12, 2015 2:04 PM > *To:* Xavier Vilajosana > *Cc:* Thomas Watteyne ; 6tisch@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [6tisch] new term: 6top "Scheduling Function" > > > > Dear all, > > I agree on the term "Scheduling Function" > > Regards, > > Diego Dujovne > > > > 2015-10-12 13:24 GMT-03:00 Xavier Vilajosana < > xvilajosana@eecs.berkeley.edu>: > > Hello, > > > > I support the term Scheduling Function (SF) and once we reach consensus I > will update the draft. > > > > regards, > Xavi > > > > 2015-10-12 13:41 GMT+02:00 Thomas Watteyne : > > All, > > > > At the call on Friday, some of your indicated that the term "6top > Objective Function" (6OF) introduced in > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-6tisch-6top-sublayer-02 is too > close to RPL's OF, and might lead to confusion. > > > > During the call, we agreed on the term "Scheduling Function" (SF). > > > > I hence ask the authors of > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-6tisch-6top-sublayer-02 to change > the term. Please raise further comments about this terminology in the nex= t > 24h. > > > > Thomas > > > > _______________________________________________ > 6tisch mailing list > 6tisch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6tisch > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 6tisch mailing list > 6tisch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6tisch > > > > > -- > > DIEGO DUJOVNE > Acad=C3=A9mico Escuela de Ingenier=C3=ADa en Inform=C3=A1tica y Telecomun= icaciones > Facultad de Ingenier=C3=ADa UDP > www.ingenieria.udp.cl > (56 2) 676 8125 > > _______________________________________________ > 6tisch mailing list > 6tisch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6tisch > > --94eb2c0baa9c646991052205b11a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Tengfei

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 9:55 PM, W= ang, Chonggang <Chonggang.Wang@interdigital.com> wrote:

Agree too.

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Chonggang

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From: 6tisch [mailto:6tisch-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Prof. Diego Dujovne
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 2:04 PM
To: Xavier Vilajosana <xvilajosana@eecs.berkeley.edu>
Cc: Thomas Watteyne <watteyne@eecs.berkeley.edu>; 6tisch@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [6tisch] new term: 6top "Scheduling Function"=

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Dear all,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I agree on the term "Scheduling Function&q= uot;

Regards,

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2015-10-12 13:24 GMT-03:00 Xavier Vilajosana <xvilajosana= @eecs.berkeley.edu>:

Hello,

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I support the term Scheduling Function (SF) and once= we reach consensus I will update the draft.

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regards,
Xavi

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2015-10-12 13:41 GMT+02:00 Thomas Watteyne <watteyne@eecs.be= rkeley.edu>:

All,

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At the call on Friday, some of your indicated that t= he term "6top Objective Function" (6OF) introduced in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-6tisch-6top-sublayer-02 is too c= lose to RPL's OF, and might lead to confusion.

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During the call, we agreed on the term "Schedul= ing Function" (SF).

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I hence ask the authors of=C2=A0ht= tps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-6tisch-6top-sublayer-02 to change = the term. Please raise further comments about this terminology in the next 24h.

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Thomas

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--94eb2c0baa9c646991052205b11a-- From nobody Wed Oct 14 02:21:13 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38CEE1B2D1C; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 02:21:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.549 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.549 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QzxTxbplrKFX; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 02:21:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (relay3-d.mail.gandi.net [IPv6:2001:4b98:c:538::195]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 868B51B2D08; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 02:17:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-salsa-i-130-75.rennes.enst-bretagne.fr (unknown [IPv6:2001:660:7301:3728:c46c:5963:1cca:3408]) (Authenticated sender: alex@ackl.io) by relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 878D0A80F2; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 11:17:08 +0200 (CEST) To: Abhijan Bhattacharyya , Rafa Marin Lopez References: <56162F1A.5020503@ackl.io> From: Alexander Pelov Message-ID: <561E1D9F.3060803@ackl.io> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 11:17:19 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020201030801020505020808" Archived-At: Cc: 6tisch@ietf.org, dan.garcia@um.es, ace@ietf.org Subject: Re: [6tisch] [Ace] Optimizing EAP-over-CoAP payload X-BeenThere: 6tisch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss link layer model for Deterministic IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e, and impacts on RPL and 6LoWPAN such as resource allocation" <6tisch.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 09:21:04 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020201030801020505020808 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Abhijan, Thanks for pointing your draft - very interesting work. However, it seems to me that it solves only a subset of the problems at which EAP-over-CoAP is aimed. Most notably, it is limited to a specific authentication method (DTLS-PSK), whereas EAP is an extensible framework. Maybe there could be some kind of cooperation between the two, e.g. you could specify an EAP method like EAP-DTLS-PSK-short? Best, Alexander Le 13/10/2015 14:48, Abhijan Bhattacharyya a écrit : > Hi Rafa, > The application layer driven approach is really interesting in the > constrained environment context. We had a similar approach for secure > session establishment (assuming that boot-strapping is already done) > which performs the session establishment in CoAP but uses the DTLS > encryption and header-structure for secure exchange of the > application-layer message. Coincidentally we have also defined an > option called "Auth" . > > Here is the link to the draft: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bhattacharyya-dice-less-on-coap-00(Had > an older work in progress: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bhattacharyya-core-coap-lite-auth-00. But > this one did not provide channel security). > I submitted this draft to dice, however, dice was not really the place > to discuss this. Our draft is due to expire in about 4 days. > > > > Regards > Abhijan Bhattacharyya > Associate Consultant > Scientist, Innovation Lab, Kolkata, India > Tata Consultancy Services > Mailto: abhijan.bhattacharyya@tcs.com > Website: http://www.tcs.com > ____________________________________________ > Experience certainty. IT Services > Business Solutions > Consulting > ____________________________________________ > > > "Ace" wrote on 10/13/2015 12:11:46 AM: > > > From: Rafa Marin Lopez > > To: Alexander Pelov > > Cc: 6tisch@ietf.org, Dan Garcia , Rafa Marin Lopez > > , ace@ietf.org > > Date: 10/13/2015 12:16 AM > > Subject: Re: [Ace] Optimizing EAP-over-CoAP payload > > Sent by: "Ace" > > > > Dear Alexander: > > > > Thanks for your comments > > > > > El 8 oct 2015, a las 10:53, Alexander Pelov escribió: > > > > > > Dear Rafa, > > > > > > I've been reading the latest version of your draft ( draft-marin- > > ace-wg-coap-eap-01.txt ), and I have a couple of questions regarding > > some of the payload options, which could be optimized even further: > > > > > > 1) Use shorter name for the /auth resource > > > 2) Mandate the use of zero-length CoAP token > > > > > > The first, and the more simple one, is - would it be possible to > > change the name of the authentication resource from /auth to a > > shorter one (like /a)? Maybe it could be an option to change the > > name of this resource, based on the underlaying architecture, e.g. > > an RFC could mandate that in a specific network the resource could > > be named /a, whereas the default value could remain /auth? > > > > [Rafa] I do not see any problem to shorten the resource name. > > > > > > > > The second, which is a little bit more subtle. Tokens are used to > > match responses to requests, but during the authentication/ > > authorization phase a single peer (endpoint) would communicate with > > a single authenticator. Moreover, the communication happens in a > > serial fashion, and responses are piggybacked. This falls in the > > case when zero-length token is also advised by RFC7252. Do you think > > that it would be appropriate to make the use of zero-length token > > mandatory for EAP-over-CoAP? > > > > [Rafa] I guess you are referring to this text: > > > > "An empty token value is appropriate e.g., when > > no other tokens are in use to a destination, "or when requests are > > made serially per destination and receive piggybacked responses.” > > > > I would say that using zero-length token is possible. What I am not > > sure is whether make it mandatory or not. I mean we could say that > > if the client sends a zero-length token the server can consider it > > OK as per the text above. If there is a non-zero length token value > > should be also fine. > > > > What do you think? > > > > Best Regards. > > > > > > > > Best, > > > Alexander > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ace mailing list > > > Ace@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ace > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Rafael Marin Lopez, PhD > > Dept. Information and Communications Engineering (DIIC) > > Faculty of Computer Science-University of Murcia > > 30100 Murcia - Spain > > Telf: +34868888501 Fax: +34868884151 e-mail: rafa@um.es > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ace mailing list > > Ace@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ace > > =====-----=====-----===== > Notice: The information contained in this e-mail > message and/or attachments to it may contain > confidential or privileged information. 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Thanks for pointing your draft - very interesting work.

However, it seems to me that it solves only a subset of the problems at which EAP-over-CoAP is aimed. Most notably, it is limited to a specific authentication method (DTLS-PSK), whereas EAP is an extensible framework. Maybe there could be some kind of cooperation between the two, e.g. you could specify an EAP method like EAP-DTLS-PSK-short?

Best,
Alexander


Le 13/10/2015 14:48, Abhijan Bhattacharyya a écrit :
Hi Rafa,
The application layer driven approach is really interesting in the constrained environment context. We had a similar approach for secure session establishment (assuming that boot-strapping is already done) which performs the session establishment in CoAP but uses the DTLS encryption and header-structure for secure exchange of the application-layer message. Coincidentally we have also defined an option called "Auth" .

Here is the link to the draft: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bhattacharyya-dice-less-on-coap-00 (Had an older work in progress: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bhattacharyya-core-coap-lite-auth-00. But this one did not provide channel security).
I submitted this draft to dice, however, dice was not really the place to discuss this. Our draft is due to expire in about 4 days.



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"Ace" <ace-bounces@ietf.org> wrote on 10/13/2015 12:11:46 AM:

> From: Rafa Marin Lopez <rafa@um.es>

> To: Alexander Pelov <a@ackl.io>
> Cc: 6tisch@ietf.org, Dan Garcia <dan.garcia@um.es>, Rafa Marin Lopez
> <rafa@um.es>, ace@ietf.org

> Date: 10/13/2015 12:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ace] Optimizing EAP-over-CoAP payload
> Sent by: "Ace" <ace-bounces@ietf.org>
>
> Dear Alexander:
>
> Thanks for your comments
>
> > El 8 oct 2015, a las 10:53, Alexander Pelov <a@ackl.io> escribió:
> >
> > Dear Rafa,
> >
> > I've been reading the latest version of your draft ( draft-marin-
> ace-wg-coap-eap-01.txt ), and I have a couple of questions regarding
> some of the payload options, which could be optimized even further:
> >
> > 1) Use shorter name for the /auth resource
> > 2) Mandate the use of zero-length CoAP token
> >
> > The first, and the more simple one, is - would it be possible to
> change the name of the authentication resource from /auth to a
> shorter one (like /a)? Maybe it could be an option to change the
> name of this resource, based on the underlaying architecture, e.g.
> an RFC could mandate that in a specific network the resource could
> be named /a, whereas the default value could remain /auth?
>
> [Rafa] I do not see any problem to shorten the resource name.
>
> >
> > The second, which is a little bit more subtle. Tokens are used to
> match responses to requests, but during the authentication/
> authorization phase a single peer (endpoint) would communicate with
> a single authenticator. Moreover, the communication happens in a
> serial fashion, and responses are piggybacked. This falls in the
> case when zero-length token is also advised by RFC7252. Do you think
> that it would be appropriate to make the use of zero-length token
> mandatory for EAP-over-CoAP?
>
> [Rafa] I guess you are referring to this text:  
>
> "An empty token value is appropriate e.g., when
>    no other tokens are in use to a destination, "or when requests are
>    made serially per destination and receive piggybacked responses.”
>
> I would say that using zero-length token is possible. What I am not
> sure is whether make it mandatory or not. I mean we could say that
> if the client sends a zero-length token the server can consider it
> OK as per the text above. If there is a non-zero length token value
> should be also fine.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Best Regards.
>
> >
> > Best,
> > Alexander
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ace mailing list
> > Ace@ietf.org
> >
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ace
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
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> Dept. Information and Communications Engineering (DIIC)
> Faculty of Computer Science-University of Murcia
> 30100 Murcia - Spain
> Telf: +34868888501 Fax: +34868884151 e-mail: rafa@um.es
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>
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--------------020201030801020505020808-- From nobody Wed Oct 14 02:24:23 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BEEF1B2CC3; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 02:24:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.55 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Tn3Dw4elUdRz; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 02:24:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (relay3-d.mail.gandi.net [IPv6:2001:4b98:c:538::195]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 057F31B2CD0; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 02:24:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-salsa-i-130-75.rennes.enst-bretagne.fr (unknown [IPv6:2001:660:7301:3728:c46c:5963:1cca:3408]) (Authenticated sender: alex@ackl.io) by relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 318D0A80F2; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 11:24:19 +0200 (CEST) To: Carsten Bormann , Rafa Marin Lopez References: <56162F1A.5020503@ackl.io> <561C038C.7090305@tzi.org> From: Alexander Pelov Message-ID: <561E1F58.4030501@ackl.io> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 11:24:40 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <561C038C.7090305@tzi.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: 6tisch@ietf.org, Dan Garcia , ace@ietf.org Subject: Re: [6tisch] [Ace] Optimizing EAP-over-CoAP payload X-BeenThere: 6tisch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss link layer model for Deterministic IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e, and impacts on RPL and 6LoWPAN such as resource allocation" <6tisch.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 09:24:22 -0000 Hi Carsten, yes, you are right about this! Thanks for pointing it out. Indeed, the wording should be carefully selected, and I think in some (most?) cases the token can be zero-length. However, as you correctly state, this should not be a MUST. If the requester includes a token, then the responder must conform to the CoAP specification. Best, Alexander Le 12/10/2015 21:01, Carsten Bormann a écrit : > Rafa Marin Lopez wrote: >> I would say that using zero-length token is possible. What I am not sure is whether make it mandatory or not. I mean we could say that if the client sends a zero-length token the server can consider it OK as per the text above. If there is a non-zero length token value should be also fine. > There is never a reason to discuss token values -- these are chosen by > the requester based on its needs, and there is never a reason for a > responder to question that choice. > > Grüße, Carsten > > _______________________________________________ > Ace mailing list > Ace@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ace From nobody Wed Oct 14 03:04:08 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FF021B2D67 for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 03:04:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bHatB4UCr4AZ for <6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 03:04:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com [173.37.86.79]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 882EA1B2D66 for <6tisch@ietf.org>; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 03:04:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=34257; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1444817044; x=1446026644; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: mime-version; bh=HkY1tek3BeSNlqg2FPIZcco7GcQobT5ei1FNn6dz2HY=; b=HibvipN9B+/gGhSkvM186hThyu0OBqVnPiK6IFnbYRfObN4/CmxjYCh3 geVfBhnGUJQ7ze001Kuq3H3ZnScVNBC7tLQUrFPMGebLPmRgMQNozfYMv qZUdEMc6sAdq/gjG/jYGHw21y0FqDK2NYeo5+hK/DJAhCV94Wn9mMv5zC 0=; X-Files: image001.png : 3988 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0BGAwAfKB5W/4sNJK1bA4JZTVRuBr18DoFaHYJ2ggp/AhyBGzgUAQEBAQEBAYEKhCYBAQEEBR4CCAEbKxUCAQgRAQMBAQYBAQEYBwMCAgIFEAEODBQDBggBAQQBEQEGAgaIIK8fk1UBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEXglOEI4R+hCoKBwEXHwsLCwEGDIJXgUUFklWDQAGELgGIZIFfhDqNMIhHAR8BQ4IRHYFUcYUmCRcjgQYBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.17,681,1437436800"; d="png'150?scan'150,208,217,150";a="35604452" Received: from alln-core-6.cisco.com ([173.36.13.139]) by rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com with ESMTP; 14 Oct 2015 10:04:03 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com (xch-aln-001.cisco.com [173.36.7.11]) by alln-core-6.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t9EA43iQ006386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Oct 2015 10:04:03 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com (173.37.102.11) by XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com (173.36.7.11) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 05:03:49 -0500 Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) by XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.000; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 05:03:49 -0500 From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" To: "Wang, Chonggang" , "6tisch@ietf.org" <6tisch@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: OTF: IP or not IP? 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Received: from xenon23.um.es (xenon23.um.es [155.54.212.163]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A828B1ACE25; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 10:00:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xenon23.um.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 825CD4422; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 19:00:21 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by antispam in UMU at xenon23.um.es Received: from xenon23.um.es ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (xenon23.um.es [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id tzMrG3ao2yUv; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 19:00:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from inf-205-175.inf.um.es (inf-205-175.inf.um.es [155.54.205.175]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: rafa) by xenon23.um.es (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B6ECA43EA; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 19:00:19 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.0 \(3094\)) From: Rafa Marin Lopez In-Reply-To: <561C038C.7090305@tzi.org> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 19:00:18 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <359B7C1D-21B3-461A-8285-D264B40E5F55@um.es> References: <56162F1A.5020503@ackl.io> <561C038C.7090305@tzi.org> To: Carsten Bormann X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3094) Archived-At: Cc: 6tisch@ietf.org, ace@ietf.org, Alexander Pelov , Rafa Marin Lopez , Dan Garcia Subject: Re: [6tisch] [Ace] Optimizing EAP-over-CoAP payload X-BeenThere: 6tisch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss link layer model for Deterministic IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e, and impacts on RPL and 6LoWPAN such as resource allocation" <6tisch.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 17:00:27 -0000 Hi Carsten: Fully agree. Thanks. > El 12 oct 2015, a las 21:01, Carsten Bormann escribi=C3=B3= : >=20 > Rafa Marin Lopez wrote: >> I would say that using zero-length token is possible. What I am not = sure is whether make it mandatory or not. I mean we could say that if = the client sends a zero-length token the server can consider it OK as = per the text above. If there is a non-zero length token value should be = also fine. >=20 > There is never a reason to discuss token values -- these are chosen by > the requester based on its needs, and there is never a reason for a > responder to question that choice. >=20 > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 6tisch mailing list > 6tisch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6tisch ------------------------------------------------------- Rafael Marin Lopez, PhD Dept. Information and Communications Engineering (DIIC) Faculty of Computer Science-University of Murcia 30100 Murcia - Spain Telf: +34868888501 Fax: +34868884151 e-mail: rafa@um.es ------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Wed Oct 14 10:54:01 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6tisch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 464741AD0B3; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 10:53:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Mjven3RLxWkH; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 10:53:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xenon23.um.es (xenon23.um.es [155.54.212.163]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A79C1AD0AF; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 10:53:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xenon23.um.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF5244446; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 19:53:48 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by antispam in UMU at xenon23.um.es Received: from xenon23.um.es ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (xenon23.um.es [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id FYf7klN4PVm7; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 19:53:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from inf-205-175.inf.um.es (inf-205-175.inf.um.es [155.54.205.175]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: rafa) by xenon23.um.es (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D6848440E; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 19:53:46 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.0 \(3094\)) From: Rafa Marin Lopez In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 19:53:45 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9862DED4-7265-4D41-86D1-CF55F38BAA97@um.es> References: <56162F1A.5020503@ackl.io> To: Abhijan Bhattacharyya X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3094) Archived-At: Cc: 6tisch@ietf.org, ace@ietf.org, a@ackl.io, Rafa Marin Lopez , dan.garcia@um.es Subject: Re: [6tisch] [Ace] Optimizing EAP-over-CoAP payload X-BeenThere: 6tisch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discuss link layer model for Deterministic IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e, and impacts on RPL and 6LoWPAN such as resource allocation" <6tisch.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 17:53:58 -0000 Hi Abhijan: > El 13 oct 2015, a las 14:48, Abhijan Bhattacharyya = escribi=C3=B3: >=20 > Hi Rafa,=20 > The application layer driven approach is really interesting in the = constrained environment context. We had a similar approach for secure = session establishment (assuming that boot-strapping is already done) = which performs the session establishment in CoAP but uses the DTLS = encryption and header-structure for secure exchange of the = application-layer message. Coincidentally we have also defined an option = called "Auth" .=20 As you mention the bootstrapping can provide a symmetric key (we call it = COAP_AUTH_PSK) to protect CoAP messages with AUTH option. But I see you = would require an additional exchange. I guess you are thinking the = communication among smart objects after the bootstrapping. Best Regards. >=20 > Here is the link to the draft: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bhattacharyya-dice-less-on-coap-00 = (Had an older work in progress: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bhattacharyya-core-coap-lite-auth-00. = But this one did not provide channel security).=20 > I submitted this draft to dice, however, dice was not really the place = to discuss this. Our draft is due to expire in about 4 days.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Regards > Abhijan Bhattacharyya > Associate Consultant > Scientist, Innovation Lab, Kolkata, India > Tata Consultancy Services > Mailto: abhijan.bhattacharyya@tcs.com > Website: http://www.tcs.com > ____________________________________________ > Experience certainty. IT Services > Business Solutions > Consulting > ____________________________________________ >=20 >=20 > "Ace" wrote on 10/13/2015 12:11:46 AM: >=20 > > From: Rafa Marin Lopez =20 > > To: Alexander Pelov =20 > > Cc: 6tisch@ietf.org, Dan Garcia , Rafa Marin Lopez > > , ace@ietf.org=20 > > Date: 10/13/2015 12:16 AM=20 > > Subject: Re: [Ace] Optimizing EAP-over-CoAP payload=20 > > Sent by: "Ace" =20 > >=20 > > Dear Alexander: > >=20 > > Thanks for your comments=20 > >=20 > > > El 8 oct 2015, a las 10:53, Alexander Pelov escribi=C3=B3= : > > >=20 > > > Dear Rafa, > > >=20 > > > I've been reading the latest version of your draft ( draft-marin- > > ace-wg-coap-eap-01.txt ), and I have a couple of questions regarding > > some of the payload options, which could be optimized even further: > > >=20 > > > 1) Use shorter name for the /auth resource > > > 2) Mandate the use of zero-length CoAP token > > >=20 > > > The first, and the more simple one, is - would it be possible to=20= > > change the name of the authentication resource from /auth to a=20 > > shorter one (like /a)? Maybe it could be an option to change the=20 > > name of this resource, based on the underlaying architecture, e.g.=20= > > an RFC could mandate that in a specific network the resource could=20= > > be named /a, whereas the default value could remain /auth? > >=20 > > [Rafa] I do not see any problem to shorten the resource name. > >=20 > > >=20 > > > The second, which is a little bit more subtle. Tokens are used to=20= > > match responses to requests, but during the authentication/ > > authorization phase a single peer (endpoint) would communicate with=20= > > a single authenticator. Moreover, the communication happens in a=20 > > serial fashion, and responses are piggybacked. This falls in the=20 > > case when zero-length token is also advised by RFC7252. Do you think > > that it would be appropriate to make the use of zero-length token=20 > > mandatory for EAP-over-CoAP? > >=20 > > [Rafa] I guess you are referring to this text: =20 > >=20 > > "An empty token value is appropriate e.g., when > > no other tokens are in use to a destination, "or when requests = are > > made serially per destination and receive piggybacked = responses.=E2=80=9D > >=20 > > I would say that using zero-length token is possible. What I am not=20= > > sure is whether make it mandatory or not. I mean we could say that=20= > > if the client sends a zero-length token the server can consider it=20= > > OK as per the text above. If there is a non-zero length token value=20= > > should be also fine. > >=20 > > What do you think? > >=20 > > Best Regards. > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Best, > > > Alexander > > >=20 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ace mailing list > > > Ace@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ace > >=20 > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Rafael Marin Lopez, PhD > > Dept. Information and Communications Engineering (DIIC) > > Faculty of Computer Science-University of Murcia > > 30100 Murcia - Spain > > Telf: +34868888501 Fax: +34868884151 e-mail: rafa@um.es > > ------------------------------------------------------- > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > Ace mailing list > > Ace@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ace > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D-----=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D-----=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Notice: The information contained in this e-mail > message and/or attachments to it may contain=20 > confidential or privileged information. If you are=20 > not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use,=20 > review, distribution, printing or copying of the=20 > information contained in this e-mail message=20 > and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. 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