From dromasca@avaya.com Wed Jun 19 04:25:12 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: adslmib@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: adslmib@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6245821F9A78 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 04:25:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.458 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.458 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.141, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mmfBbKS5qCpT for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 04:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com (co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.13.100]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F372821F9A33 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 04:25:11 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgMFAAH/ZlHGmAcF/2dsb2JhbABQgmUhwX6BBxZ0gh8BAQEBAxIoSwYBCA0EBAEBCxQJORQHAQEFBAEEEwgah3IBnByEK50MF45lJhiCWmEDnSmKaIMLgig X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.87,456,1363147200"; d="scan'208";a="16183106" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.5]) by co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 19 Jun 2013 07:25:11 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO AZ-FFEXHC04.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.58.14]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 19 Jun 2013 07:23:12 -0400 Received: from AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com ([fe80::6db7:b0af:8480:c126]) by AZ-FFEXHC04.global.avaya.com ([135.64.58.14]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 07:25:10 -0400 From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "adslmib@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Approval of IEEE Std 802.3.1-2013 Thread-Index: Ac5sanh13Tny74e2Q5OKO9lJMYqaBQAdSsBg Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 11:25:10 +0000 Message-ID: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA1A5452@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.64.58.45] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [Adslmib] FW: Approval of IEEE Std 802.3.1-2013 X-BeenThere: adslmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: ADSLMIB List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 11:25:12 -0000 -----Original Message----- From: Howard Frazier [mailto:hfrazier@BROADCOM.COM]=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 12:28 AM To: STDS-802-3-MIB@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [802.3.1_MIBS] Approval of IEEE Std 802.3.1-2013 Dear Members of the IEEE 802.3.1 Ethernet MIB modules Task Force, I am pleased to report that the IEEE-SA Standards Board has given final app= roval to our revision of IEEE Std 802.3.1. I am working with the IEEE SA ed= itorial staff to prepare the document for publication, and I will let you k= now as soon as it has been published. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions to this effort. Howard Frazier Chair, IEEE 802.3.1 Ethernet MIB nodules Task Force From bclaise@cisco.com Fri Jun 21 06:57:29 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: adslmib@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: adslmib@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0926A11E8189 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 06:57:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.374 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.374 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.076, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VA0mJAbO1hwM for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 06:57:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from av-tac-bru.cisco.com (weird-brew.cisco.com [144.254.15.118]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9214811E8186 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 06:57:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r5LDvMAv004701; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 15:57:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.60.67.85] (ams-bclaise-8914.cisco.com [10.60.67.85]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r5LDv2WM010457; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 15:57:12 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <51C45BAD.50305@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 15:57:01 +0200 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: adslmib mailing list , =?UTF-8?B?157XoNeX150g15PXldeT?= =?UTF-8?B?15In?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030803080104000901050607" Subject: [Adslmib] ADSLMIB WG status? X-BeenThere: adslmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: ADSLMIB List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 13:57:29 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030803080104000901050607 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all, Can you please let me know where we are compared to the milestones? Oct 2012 Initial Vector of Profiles draft to be accepted by the Working Group. Jan 2013 Submit Vector of Profiles Draft version 01 Apr 2013 Revise the draft and post vector of Profiles draft version 02. Jul 2013 Post Vector of Profiles Draft version 03. Oct 2013 Submit Vector of Profiles Draft version 04. Nov 2013 Working Group Last Call for the Vector of Profiles draft. Dec 2013 Submit the Vector Of Profile document to the IESG as Proposed Standard. Dec 2013 Re-charter or close down. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-adslmib-xdsl-vop-00 expired more than 2 months ago? Is this WG running out of steam, and should be shut down? Regards, Benoit --------------030803080104000901050607 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all,

Can you please let me know where we are compared to the milestones?

Oct 2012
Initial Vector of Profiles draft to be accepted by the Working Group.
Jan 2013
Submit Vector of Profiles Draft version 01
Apr 2013
Revise the draft and post vector of Profiles draft version 02.
Jul 2013
Post Vector of Profiles Draft version 03.
Oct 2013
Submit Vector of Profiles Draft version 04.
Nov 2013
Working Group Last Call for the Vector of Profiles draft.
Dec 2013
Submit the Vector Of Profile document to the IESG as Proposed Standard.
Dec 2013
Re-charter or close down.


https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-adslmib-xdsl-vop-00 expired more than 2 months ago?
Is this WG running out of steam, and should be shut down?

Regards, Benoit
--------------030803080104000901050607-- From bclaise@cisco.com Fri Jun 21 12:07:05 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: adslmib@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: adslmib@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02BA521F9E6D for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 12:07:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.224 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.224 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.226, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KnUhFtm-uC1X for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 12:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from av-tac-bru.cisco.com (weird-brew.cisco.com [144.254.15.118]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DF4121F9E51 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 12:06:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r5LJ6sG8003971; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 21:06:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.60.67.85] (ams-bclaise-8914.cisco.com [10.60.67.85]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r5LJ6Nco000766; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 21:06:39 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <51C4A42E.6080505@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 21:06:22 +0200 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Burstein References: <51C45BAD.50305@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080106060707030207030104" Cc: adslmib mailing list Subject: Re: [Adslmib] ADSLMIB WG status? X-BeenThere: adslmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: ADSLMIB List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 19:07:05 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080106060707030207030104 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 21/06/2013 20:31, Dave Burstein wrote: > There are major things happening in G.Fast, G.inp, WiFi optimization > and similar that are natural to address in a standards group like this. > > There are important differences between the open standards at IETF > and the closed standards elsewhere in the process. That is an > important reason to keep the open part of the process alive. Sure, but a open process that doesn't deliver anything is not that useful. Regards, Benoit > > I will be in Geneva in ten days discussing this with ITU. SG-15 > will be there as well, but this is not primarily about SG-15 and my > meetings will be with the ITU staff. I don't expect to attend SG-15 > although I'll be happy to say hello to everyone there. > > db > > Thanks > db > > > On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Benoit Claise > wrote: > > Dear all, > > Can you please let me know where we are compared to the milestones? > > Oct 2012 > Initial Vector of Profiles draft to be accepted by the Working Group. > Jan 2013 > Submit Vector of Profiles Draft version 01 > Apr 2013 > Revise the draft and post vector of Profiles draft version 02. > Jul 2013 > Post Vector of Profiles Draft version 03. > Oct 2013 > Submit Vector of Profiles Draft version 04. > Nov 2013 > Working Group Last Call for the Vector of Profiles draft. > Dec 2013 > Submit the Vector Of Profile document to the IESG as Proposed > Standard. > Dec 2013 > Re-charter or close down. > > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-adslmib-xdsl-vop-00 expired > more than 2 months ago? > Is this WG running out of steam, and should be shut down? > > Regards, Benoit > > _______________________________________________ > Adslmib mailing list > Adslmib@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/adslmib > > > > > -- > Editor, DSL Prime, Fast Net News, Net Policy News and A Wireless Cloud > Author with Jennie Bourne DSL (Wiley, 2002) and Web Video: Making It > Great, Getting It Noticed (Peachpit, 2008) --------------080106060707030207030104 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
On 21/06/2013 20:31, Dave Burstein wrote:
There are major things happening in G.Fast, G.inp, WiFi optimization and similar that are natural to address in a standards group like this. 

   There are important differences between the open standards at IETF and the closed standards elsewhere in the process. That is an important reason to keep the open part of the process alive.
Sure, but a open process that doesn't deliver anything is not that useful.

Regards, Benoit

    I will be in Geneva in ten days discussing this with ITU. SG-15 will be there as well, but this is not primarily about SG-15 and my meetings will be with the ITU staff. I don't expect to attend SG-15 although I'll be happy to say hello to everyone there.

db

Thanks
db


On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com> wrote:
Dear all,

Can you please let me know where we are compared to the milestones?

Oct 2012
Initial Vector of Profiles draft to be accepted by the Working Group.
Jan 2013
Submit Vector of Profiles Draft version 01
Apr 2013
Revise the draft and post vector of Profiles draft version 02.
Jul 2013
Post Vector of Profiles Draft version 03.
Oct 2013
Submit Vector of Profiles Draft version 04.
Nov 2013
Working Group Last Call for the Vector of Profiles draft.
Dec 2013
Submit the Vector Of Profile document to the IESG as Proposed Standard.
Dec 2013
Re-charter or close down.


https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-adslmib-xdsl-vop-00 expired more than 2 months ago?
Is this WG running out of steam, and should be shut down?

Regards, Benoit

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Dear all,

Can you please let me know where we are compared to the milestones?

Oct 2012
Initial Vector of Profiles draft to be accepted by the Working Group.
Jan 2013
Submit Vector of Profiles Draft version 01
Apr 2013
Revise the draft and post vector of Profiles draft version 02.
Jul 2013
Post Vector of Profiles Draft version 03.
Oct 2013
Submit Vector of Profiles Draft version 04.
Nov 2013
Working Group Last Call for the Vector of Profiles draft.
Dec 2013
Submit the Vector Of Profile document to the IESG as Proposed Standard.
Dec 2013
Re-charter or close down.


https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-adslmib-xdsl-vop-0= 0 expired more than 2 months ago?
Is this WG running out of steam, and should be shut down?

Regards, Benoit

--20cf3071c88406832104dfcdf828-- From bclaise@cisco.com Sun Jun 23 05:47:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: adslmib@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: adslmib@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 974C821F9D0E for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 05:47:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.742 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.742 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.856, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pTsBMgopqjt2 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 05:47:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from av-tac-rtp.cisco.com (av-tac-rtp.cisco.com [64.102.19.209]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8436E21F9C87 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 05:47:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from rooster.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-rtp.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r5NClCaI024991; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 08:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.86.243.9] (che-vpn-cluster-2-264.cisco.com [10.86.243.9]) by rooster.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r5NCl6WJ019935; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 08:47:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <51C6EE4A.3090904@cisco.com> Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 08:47:06 -0400 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Moti Morgenstern References: <51C45BAD.50305@cisco.com> <8FEE79F3EE86A244B0BDE68E90ED34DC0DF466E0@ILPTWPVEXMB02.ecitele.com> In-Reply-To: <8FEE79F3EE86A244B0BDE68E90ED34DC0DF466E0@ILPTWPVEXMB02.ecitele.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040708010705080004060204" Cc: adslmib mailing list Subject: Re: [Adslmib] ADSLMIB WG status? X-BeenThere: adslmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: ADSLMIB List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 12:47:22 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040708010705080004060204 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Moti, > > Hello, > > Two months ago Scott sent us a proposed new draft. In context of the > milestones, it has a mixture of work planned for 1/13-4/13 drafts. > That is: > > ·[Planned for 1/13 release] Most of the entities that are part of the > ‘legacy’ model are now marked as such (but not 100% of them); > > ·[Planned for 4/13] The current draft already supports main components > of the direct/indirect VoP attachment methods (but not the selection > between ‘legacy’ and ‘VoP’ modes and almost none of the VoP profiles > tables) > > I reviewed what Scott sent and I think he performed a great job. I was > just waiting for others to state their opinions. > > In matter of fact I’m also asked from time to time by Broadband Forum > (BBF) members what happens in IETF but unfortunately nothing of that > is in practice reflected in the ADSLMIB exploder. > Exactly, this is my issue! The last email regarding one of the milestones is from December. As an OPS AD, I'm wondering what I should conclude... Regards, Benoit > > So, I’m in favor of publishing the new draft (which has plenty of > changes compared to the previous one) and give people another chance > to comment on the more developed draft. > > If I do not hear any argument against that I’ll publish the draft on > _Tuesday_. > > Best Regards, > > Moti > > PS: > > Keep in mind that the VoP model itself is continuously developed. > These days the BBF members are in process of collecting comments > against its 3^rd version (will discuss that in September 13). That > will require changes in the IETF draft as well. > > Moti > > *From:*adslmib-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:adslmib-bounces@ietf.org] *On > Behalf Of *Benoit Claise > *Sent:* Friday, June 21, 2013 4:57 PM > *To:* adslmib mailing list; מנחם דודג' > *Subject:* [Adslmib] ADSLMIB WG status? > > Dear all, > > Can you please let me know where we are compared to the milestones? > > Oct 2012 > > > > Initial Vector of Profiles draft to be accepted by the Working Group. > > Jan 2013 > > > > Submit Vector of Profiles Draft version 01 > > Apr 2013 > > > > Revise the draft and post vector of Profiles draft version 02. > > Jul 2013 > > > > Post Vector of Profiles Draft version 03. > > Oct 2013 > > > > Submit Vector of Profiles Draft version 04. > > Nov 2013 > > > > Working Group Last Call for the Vector of Profiles draft. > > Dec 2013 > > > > Submit the Vector Of Profile document to the IESG as Proposed Standard. > > Dec 2013 > > > > Re-charter or close down. > > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-adslmib-xdsl-vop-00 expired > more than 2 months ago? > Is this WG running out of steam, and should be shut down? > > Regards, Benoit > > This e-mail message is intended for the recipient only and contains > information which is CONFIDENTIAL and which may be proprietary to ECI > Telecom. If you have received this transmission in error, please > inform us by e-mail, phone or fax, and then delete the original and > all copies thereof. > --------------040708010705080004060204 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi Moti,

Hello,

 

Two months ago Scott sent us a proposed new draft. In context of the milestones, it has a mixture of work planned for 1/13-4/13 drafts. That is:

·         [Planned for 1/13 release] Most of the entities that are part of the ‘legacy’ model are now marked as such (but not 100% of them);

·         [Planned for 4/13] The current draft already supports main components of the direct/indirect VoP attachment methods (but not the selection between ‘legacy’ and ‘VoP’ modes and almost none of the VoP profiles tables)

 

I reviewed what Scott sent and I think he performed a great job. I was just waiting for others to state their opinions.

In matter of fact I’m also asked from time to time by Broadband Forum (BBF) members what happens in IETF but unfortunately nothing of that is in practice reflected in the ADSLMIB exploder.

Exactly, this is my issue!
The last email regarding one of the milestones is from December.
As an OPS AD, I'm wondering what I should conclude...

Regards, Benoit

So, I’m in favor of publishing the new draft (which has plenty of changes compared to the previous one) and give people another chance to comment on the more developed draft.

 

If I do not hear any argument against that I’ll publish the draft on Tuesday.

 

Best Regards,

Moti

 

PS:

Keep in mind that the VoP model itself is continuously developed. These days the BBF members are in process of collecting comments against its 3rd version (will discuss that in September 13). That will require changes in the IETF draft as well.

 

Moti

From: adslmib-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:adslmib-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Benoit Claise
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 4:57 PM
To: adslmib mailing list; מנחם דודג'
Subject: [Adslmib] ADSLMIB WG status?

 

Dear all,

Can you please let me know where we are compared to the milestones?

Oct 2012

Initial Vector of Profiles draft to be accepted by the Working Group.

Jan 2013

Submit Vector of Profiles Draft version 01

Apr 2013

Revise the draft and post vector of Profiles draft version 02.

Jul 2013

Post Vector of Profiles Draft version 03.

Oct 2013

Submit Vector of Profiles Draft version 04.

Nov 2013

Working Group Last Call for the Vector of Profiles draft.

Dec 2013

Submit the Vector Of Profile document to the IESG as Proposed Standard.

Dec 2013

Re-charter or close down.



https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-adslmib-xdsl-vop-00 expired more than 2 months ago?
Is this WG running out of steam, and should be shut down?

Regards, Benoit

This e-mail message is intended for the recipient only and contains information which is CONFIDENTIAL and which may be proprietary to ECI Telecom. If you have received this transmission in error, please inform us by e-mail, phone or fax, and then delete the original and all copies thereof.


--------------040708010705080004060204-- From internet-drafts@ietf.org Tue Jun 25 00:10:08 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: adslmib@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: adslmib@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7269F21F9F8C; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 00:10:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rHTqtxutD1Hj; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 00:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06A2621F9F7A; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 00:10:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.51.p2 Message-ID: <20130625071007.23995.79456.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 00:10:07 -0700 Cc: adslmib@ietf.org Subject: [Adslmib] I-D Action: draft-ietf-adslmib-xdsl-vop-01.txt X-BeenThere: adslmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: ADSLMIB List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 07:10:08 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the ADSL MIB Working Group of the IETF. Title : Definitions of Managed Objects for Very High Speed Digit= al Subscriber Line 2 (VDSL2) Author(s) : Scott Baillie Markus Freudenberger Filename : draft-ietf-adslmib-xdsl-vop-01.txt Pages : 240 Date : 2013-06-25 Abstract: This document defines a Management Information Base (MIB) module for use with network management protocols in the Internet community. In particular, it describes objects used for managing parameters of the "Very High Speed Digital Subscriber Line 2 (VDSL2)" interface type, which are also applicable for managing Asymmetric Digital Subscriber Line (ADSL), ADSL2, and ADSL2+ interfaces. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-adslmib-xdsl-vop There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-adslmib-xdsl-vop-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-adslmib-xdsl-vop-01 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/