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The BUNDLE considerations are also split into a separ= ate section. I also plan to do a pull request for the SDP Offer/Answer procedures sectio= n. Regards, Christer --_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B6C209BF7ESESSMB109erics_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

Based on discussions with Charles, I downloaded the = XML file for version -18 of draft-4583bis, and created a GitHub repo (perso= nal) for it.

 

https://github.com/cdh4u/draft-bfcp-4583bis

 

After that, I created a pull request where I suggest= ed changes to current sections 4, 5, 6 and 7, mostly based on the review co= mments I have given earlier:

 

https://github.com/cdh4u/draft-bfcp-4583bis/pull/1

 

In addition to the text changes, the pull request sp= lits the “Floor Control Server Determination” section into a se= parate section, and renames it to “Floor Control Roles”. The BU= NDLE considerations are also split into a separate section.

 

I also plan to do a pull request for the SDP Offer/A= nswer procedures section.

 

Regards,

 

Christer

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Sat, 17 Mar 2018 19:39:25 +0100 From: Christer Holmberg To: Christer Holmberg , "bfcpbis@ietf.org" CC: "bfcpbis-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Thread-Topic: GitHub repo for draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis Thread-Index: AdO+FefSCPS8rbhPRmWpQv/OSdqvhgACVHRw Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 18:39:25 +0000 Message-ID: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B6C20AC36@ESESSMB109.ericsson.se> References: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B6C209BF7@ESESSMB109.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B6C209BF7@ESESSMB109.ericsson.se> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [153.88.183.168] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B6C20AC36ESESSMB109erics_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFprMIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM2K7je69hLVRBsuuq1ts6bnKZvFv3VEm ByaPJUt+Mnl8ufyZLYApissmJTUnsyy1SN8ugStj4tenjAUvjCvubvrF0sD4X7eLkZNDQsBE 4uLpg6xdjFwcQgKHGSXuLH0G5SxhlPj8fAVjFyMHB5uAhUT3P22QBhGBeIlfP5awgdjMAs4S q1e0M4PYwgJWEh0v25ghaqwlHs67wgphG0nc+PQbrJ5FQFVi1p7rbCAjeQV8JV4uKgYJCwGZ Pb/egJVzCvhJrHzwjR3EZhQQk/h+ag0TxCpxiVtP5jNB3CwgsWTPeWYIW1Ti5eN/rBC2kkTP /XtQ9fkSN3fuB6vhFRCUODnzCcsERpFZSEbNQlI2C0kZRFxHYsHuT2wQtrbEsoWvmWHsMwce MyGLL2BkX8UoWpxaXJybbmSkl1qUmVxcnJ+nl5dasokRGFUHt/y22sF48LnjIUYBDkYlHt4J YWujhFgTy4orcw8xSnAwK4nwGjsAhXhTEiurUovy44tKc1KLDzFKc7AoifM6pVlECQmkJ5ak ZqemFqQWwWSZODilGhjrDrRzF19f1didPdk1WqXg4z3bHfVSAi7XmrWFw6M404pPcVRbB39c w3bwz+LjzZd1jc7PPTpZcx3HHglDbsNzH5p2cf3+t/N72NxqjT5nV7me8iW2B1dLt/Bk/7+w 8MyT6qplp+p8inofXjj1u3ieopJG6atQQ8vsf+f+K2gy2tSbrRBoy1RiKc5INNRiLipOBADa xYgxpgIAAA== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bfcpbis] GitHub repo for draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis X-BeenThere: bfcpbis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BFCPBIS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 18:39:31 -0000 --_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B6C20AC36ESESSMB109erics_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Pull request for the offer/answer procedures created: https://github.com/cdh4u/draft-bfcp-4583bis/pull/2 Regards, Christer From: bfcpbis [mailto:bfcpbis-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Christer Holmb= erg Sent: 17 March 2018 19:35 To: bfcpbis@ietf.org Cc: bfcpbis-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: [bfcpbis] GitHub repo for draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis Hi, Based on discussions with Charles, I downloaded the XML file for version -1= 8 of draft-4583bis, and created a GitHub repo (personal) for it. https://github.com/cdh4u/draft-bfcp-4583bis After that, I created a pull request where I suggested changes to current s= ections 4, 5, 6 and 7, mostly based on the review comments I have given ear= lier: https://github.com/cdh4u/draft-bfcp-4583bis/pull/1 In addition to the text changes, the pull request splits the "Floor Control= Server Determination" section into a separate section, and renames it to "= Floor Control Roles". The BUNDLE considerations are also split into a separ= ate section. I also plan to do a pull request for the SDP Offer/Answer procedures sectio= n. Regards, Christer --_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B6C20AC36ESESSMB109erics_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,<= /p>

 

Pull request for the o= ffer/answer procedures created:

 

https://github.com/cdh4u/draft-bfc= p-4583bis/pull/2

 

Regards,

 

Christer

 

From: bfcpbis [mailto:bfcpbis-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Christer Holmberg
Sent: 17 March 2018 19:35
To: bfcpbis@ietf.org
Cc: bfcpbis-chairs@tools.ietf.org
Subject: [bfcpbis] GitHub repo for draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis

 

Hi,

 

Based on discussions with Charles, I downloaded the = XML file for version -18 of draft-4583bis, and created a GitHub repo (perso= nal) for it.

 

https://github.com/cdh4u/draft-bfcp-4583bis

 

After that, I created a pull request where I suggest= ed changes to current sections 4, 5, 6 and 7, mostly based on the review co= mments I have given earlier:

 

https://github.com/cdh4u/draft-bfcp-4583bis/pull/1

 

In addition to the text changes, the pull request sp= lits the “Floor Control Server Determination” section into a se= parate section, and renames it to “Floor Control Roles”. The BU= NDLE considerations are also split into a separate section.

 

I also plan to do a pull request for the SDP Offer/A= nswer procedures section.

 

Regards,

 

Christer

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quoted-printable Hi, Pull request for the ICE-, Authentication and Connection Management section= s. https://github.com/cdh4u/draft-bfcp-4583bis/pull/3 In the ICE Considerations section, I find the following: "When BFCP is used with UDP based ICE candidates [13] then the procedures f= or UDP/TLS/BFCP are used. When BFCP is used with TCP based ICE candidates [14] then the procedures fo= r TCP/DTLS/BFCP are used." What exactly does that mean? Regards, Christer From: Christer Holmberg Sent: 17 March 2018 20:39 To: Christer Holmberg ; bfcpbis@ietf.org Cc: bfcpbis-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: RE: GitHub repo for draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis Hi, Pull request for the offer/answer procedures created: https://github.com/cdh4u/draft-bfcp-4583bis/pull/2 Regards, Christer From: bfcpbis [mailto:bfcpbis-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Christer Holmb= erg Sent: 17 March 2018 19:35 To: bfcpbis@ietf.org Cc: bfcpbis-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: [bfcpbis] GitHub repo for draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis Hi, Based on discussions with Charles, I downloaded the XML file for version -1= 8 of draft-4583bis, and created a GitHub repo (personal) for it. https://github.com/cdh4u/draft-bfcp-4583bis After that, I created a pull request where I suggested changes to current s= ections 4, 5, 6 and 7, mostly based on the review comments I have given ear= lier: https://github.com/cdh4u/draft-bfcp-4583bis/pull/1 In addition to the text changes, the pull request splits the "Floor Control= Server Determination" section into a separate section, and renames it to "= Floor Control Roles". The BUNDLE considerations are also split into a separ= ate section. I also plan to do a pull request for the SDP Offer/Answer procedures sectio= n. Regards, Christer --_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B6C20ADCDESESSMB109erics_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,<= /p>

 

Pull request for the I= CE-, Authentication and Connection Management sections.

 

https://github.com/cdh4u/draft-bfc= p-4583bis/pull/3

 

In the ICE Considerati= ons section, I find the following:

 

“When BFCP is used with UDP based ICE candidates [13] t= hen the procedures for UDP/TLS/BFCP are used.

 

When BFCP is used with TCP based ICE candidates [14] then the= procedures for TCP/DTLS/BFCP are used.”

 

What exactly does that= mean?

 

Regards,

 

Christer

 

 

From: Christer Holmberg
Sent: 17 March 2018 20:39
To: Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>; bfcpbi= s@ietf.org
Cc: bfcpbis-chairs@tools.ietf.org
Subject: RE: GitHub repo for draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis

 

Hi,<= /p>

 

Pull request for the o= ffer/answer procedures created:

 

https://github.com/cdh4u/draft-bfc= p-4583bis/pull/2

 

Regards,

 

Christer

 

From: bfcpbis [mailto:bfcpbi= s-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Christer Holmberg
Sent: 17 March 2018 19:35
To: bfcpbis@ietf.org
Cc: bfcpbis-chairs@= tools.ietf.org
Subject: [bfcpbis] GitHub repo for draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis

 

Hi,

 

Based on discussions with Charles, I downloaded the = XML file for version -18 of draft-4583bis, and created a GitHub repo (perso= nal) for it.

 

https://github.com/cdh4u/draft-bfcp-4583bis

 

After that, I created a pull request where I suggest= ed changes to current sections 4, 5, 6 and 7, mostly based on the review co= mments I have given earlier:

 

https://github.com/cdh4u/draft-bfcp-4583bis/pull/1

 

In addition to the text changes, the pull request sp= lits the “Floor Control Server Determination” section into a se= parate section, and renames it to “Floor Control Roles”. The BU= NDLE considerations are also split into a separate section.

 

I also plan to do a pull request for the SDP Offer/A= nswer procedures section.

 

Regards,

 

Christer

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List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 14:31:16 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. 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The changes are based on my previous comments, and the pull requests that w= ere submitted in recent days. Regards, Christer (new co-editor) --_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B72DFDEC3ESESSMB102erics_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

I have submitted a new version (-19) of rfc4593bis.<= o:p>

 

The changes are based on my previous comments, and t= he pull requests that were submitted in recent days.

 

Regards,

 

Christer (new co-editor)

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([2001:67c:370:128:26:5b8f:48e1:3126]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c14sm7822921wrd.17.2018.03.23.03.25.17 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 23 Mar 2018 03:25:18 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_9D76D8D4-FD3E-411A-8BE2-2B251308E7A9" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Alan Ford In-Reply-To: <043CADFA-DDD5-47E1-855D-71C9CEB46393@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 10:25:17 +0000 Cc: Christer Holmberg , "bfcpbis@ietf.org" Message-Id: <9D2E7941-1A17-4659-BB0A-57EA44892C57@gmail.com> References: <043CADFA-DDD5-47E1-855D-71C9CEB46393@cisco.com> To: "Charles Eckel (eckelcu)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bfcpbis] Draft new version: draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis-19 X-BeenThere: bfcpbis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BFCPBIS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 10:25:22 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_9D76D8D4-FD3E-411A-8BE2-2B251308E7A9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Christer, all, Great stuff! The new splits and the rewording really make the document = much easier to follow. A few concerns/comments: 1) Section 5 now features the word =E2=80=9Cstream=E2=80=9D standalone = in three places: The attribute is used to determine the floor control role for a given stream ( represented by an SDP media description). =E2=80=A6 An endpoint includes the attribute to indicate the role(s) it would be willing to perform for the stream associated with the attribute: =E2=80=A6 Endpoints compliant with [16 = ] = might not include the 'floorctrl' attribute in offers and answerer. For a given stream, if the 'floorctrl' attribute is not present the offerer will act as floor control client and the answerer will act as floor control server. For clarity=E2=80=99s sake, can you make these three say =E2=80=9CBFCP = stream=E2=80=9D, to ensure it=E2=80=99s not causing confusion with = associated media streams. Section 8 also suffers from two new instances of this; all other = instances of =E2=80=9Cstream=E2=80=9D that I can find are refined = appropriately. 2) Going back to my concern over: floor-id-attribute =3D "a=3Dfloorid:" token [" mstrm:" token *(SP = token)] I notice that in S13.1, we say: o MUST associate an SDP 'label' attribute (Section 7 = ),= with the 'm' line; and Given a label is a MUST, then it infers that the mstrm attribute must be = a MUST, so should not be optional in the ABNF above, i.e. floor-id-attribute =3D "a=3Dfloorid:" token " mstrm:" token *(SP = token) 2a) The text is weird for that MUST anyway; in both 13.1 and 13.2 we = say: o MUST associate an SDP 'label' attribute (Section 7 = ),= with the 'm' line; and But the SDP label attribute is for the media stream not the BFCP stream. o MUST associate an SDP 'label' attribute (Section 7 = ),= with the 'm' line of the associated media stream(s); and And for clarity, every other one should probably be changed from: = =E2=80=98m=E2=80=99 line -> =E2=80=98m=E2=80=99 line of the BFCP stream 3) In Section 5, can we refine to 2119 language, i.e. An offerer can indicate multiple attribute value for a given session. An answerer can only indicate one attribute value. Change to: An offerer MAY indicate multiple attribute value for a given session. An answerer MUST indicate only one attribute value. Regards, Alan > On 22 Mar 2018, at 17:06, Charles Eckel (eckelcu) = wrote: >=20 > As chair, > =20 > I=E2=80=99d like to thank Christer for jumping in, pulling all the = changes together, and posting this updated version of the draft. > Now it is time for the rest of us to do our part. Please review the = draft promptly and respond to the list stating: > =20 > 1) that you reviewed the draft > 2) if it covers all your comments since the previous version of the = draft > 3) if there is anything else that need to be addresses prior to proto = write-up > =20 > I realize that verifying comments made months ago have been addressed = appropriately can be painful, but by doing this now we can capitalize on = the momentum Christer gave us and finally get this draft done.=20 > =20 > Thanks, > Charles > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > From: bfcpbis on behalf of Christer = Holmberg > Date: Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 4:14 PM > To: "bfcpbis@ietf.org" > Subject: [bfcpbis] Draft new version: draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis-19 > =20 > Hi, <> > =20 > I have submitted a new version (-19) of rfc4593bis. > =20 > The changes are based on my previous comments, and the pull requests = that were submitted in recent days. > =20 > Regards, > =20 > Christer (new co-editor) > _______________________________________________ > bfcpbis mailing list > bfcpbis@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bfcpbis --Apple-Mail=_9D76D8D4-FD3E-411A-8BE2-2B251308E7A9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi Christer, all,

Great stuff! The new splits and the rewording really make the = document much easier to follow.

A few concerns/comments:

1) Section 5 now = features the word =E2=80=9Cstream=E2=80=9D standalone in three = places:

   The
   attribute is used to determine the floor control role for a given
   stream ( represented by an SDP media =
description).
=E2=80=A6
   An endpoint includes the attribute to =
indicate the role(s) it would
   be willing to perform for the stream associated =
with the attribute:
=E2=80=A6
   Endpoints compliant with [16] might =
not include the 'floorctrl'
   attribute in offers and answerer.  For a given stream, if the
   'floorctrl' attribute is not present the offerer will act as floor
   control client and the answerer will act as floor control server.


For clarity=E2=80=99s sake, can you = make these three say =E2=80=9CBFCP stream=E2=80=9D, to ensure it=E2=80=99s= not causing confusion with associated media streams.

Section 8 also suffers = from two new instances of this; all other instances of =E2=80=9Cstream=E2=80= =9D that I can find are refined appropriately.


2) = Going back to my concern over:

   =
floor-id-attribute =3D "a=3Dfloorid:" token [" mstrm:" token *(SP =
token)]

I = notice that in S13.1, we say:

   o  MUST =
associate an SDP 'label' attribute (Section 7), with the 'm'
      line; and

Given a label is a MUST, then it infers that the mstrm = attribute must be a MUST, so should not be optional in the ABNF above, = i.e.

   floor-id-attribute =3D "a=3Dfloorid:" token " mstrm:" token *(SP =
token)

2a) The text is weird for that MUST = anyway; in both 13.1 and 13.2 we say:

   o  MUST =
associate an SDP 'label' attribute (Section 7), with the 'm'
      line; and

But the SDP label attribute is for the media = stream not the BFCP stream.

   o  MUST associate an SDP 'label' attribute (Section 7), with the 'm'
      line of the associated media stream(s); and

And for clarity, every = other one should probably be changed from: =E2=80=98m=E2= =80=99 line -> =E2=80=98m=E2=80=99 line of the BFCP = stream


3) In Section 5, can we refine to 2119 = language, i.e.

   An offerer can indicate multiple attribute =
value for a given session.
   An answerer can only indicate one attribute value.

Change = to:

   An offerer MAY indicate multiple attribute value for a given =
session.
   An answerer MUST indicate only one attribute value.


Regards,
Alan

On 22 Mar 2018, at 17:06, Charles Eckel (eckelcu) <eckelcu@cisco.com> = wrote:

As chair,
 
I=E2=80=99d like to thank Christer for = jumping in, pulling all the changes together, and posting this updated = version of the draft.
Now it is time for = the rest of us to do our part. Please review the draft promptly and = respond to the list stating:
 
1) that you reviewed the draft
2) if it covers all your comments since the previous version = of the draft
3) if there is anything else that need to be = addresses prior to proto write-up
 
I realize that verifying comments made months = ago have been addressed appropriately can be painful, but by doing this = now we can capitalize on the momentum Christer gave us and finally get = this draft done. 
 
Thanks,
Charles
 
 
 
 
From: bfcpbis <bfcpbis-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Christer = Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>
Date: Thursday, March 22, = 2018 at 4:14 PM
To: "bfcpbis@ietf.org" <bfcpbis@ietf.org>
Subject: [bfcpbis] Draft new = version: draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis-19
 
 
I have submitted a new = version (-19) of rfc4593bis.
 
The changes are based on my previous = comments, and the pull requests that were submitted in recent days.
 
Regards,
 
Christer (new = co-editor)
_______________________________________________
bfcpbis mailing = list
bfcpbis@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bfcpbis
<= /blockquote>

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Thanks for the clarifications, I think we=E2=80=99ve converged on = something very clear now - the PR looks good. Cheers, Alan > On 23 Mar 2018, at 16:10, Christer Holmberg = wrote: >=20 > Hi Alan, >=20 > Thank You for your comments! Please see inline. >=20 >> Great stuff! The new splits and the rewording really make the = document much easier to follow. >=20 > Thank You! :) >=20 > A few concerns/comments: >=20 >> 1) Section 5 now features the word =E2=80=9Cstream=E2=80=9D = standalone in three places: >>=20 >> The attribute is used to determine the floor control role for a = given >> stream ( represented by an SDP media description). >> =E2=80=A6 >> An endpoint includes the attribute to indicate the role(s) it would >> be willing to perform for the stream associated with the attribute: >> =E2=80=A6 >> Endpoints compliant with [16] might not include the 'floorctrl' >> attribute in offers and answerer. For a given stream, if the >> 'floorctrl' attribute is not present the offerer will act as floor >> control client and the answerer will act as floor control server. >>=20 >> For clarity=E2=80=99s sake, can you make these three say =E2=80=9CBFCP = stream=E2=80=9D, to ensure it=E2=80=99s not causing confusion with = associated media streams. >=20 > The attribute is not used to negotiate the role for the BFCP stream, = but the role(s) the endpoints can take for individual BFCP-controlled = streams. >=20 > However, when looking at text, it may need a little more changes. See = pull request. >=20 > --- >=20 >> Section 8 also suffers from two new instances of this; all other = instances of =E2=80=9Cstream=E2=80=9D that I can find are refined = appropriately. >=20 > Correct.=20 >=20 > Also, as this applies to the BFCP stream, we don't need the "For a = given stream" part. >=20 > OLD:=20 >=20 > "For a given stream, if the > 'bfcpver' attribute is not present, the default values are inferred > from the transport specified in the 'm' line (Section 3) associated > with the stream." >=20 > NEW: >=20 > "If the 'bfcpver' attribute is not present, the default values are = inferred > from the transport specified in the 'm' line (Section 3) associated > with the BFCP stream." >=20 > --- >=20 >> 2) Going back to my concern over: >>=20 >> floor-id-attribute =3D "a=3Dfloorid:" token [" mstrm:" token *(SP = token)] >>=20 >> I notice that in S13.1, we say: >>=20 >> o MUST associate an SDP 'label' attribute (Section 7), with the 'm' >> line; and >>=20 >> Given a label is a MUST, then it infers that the mstrm attribute must = be a MUST, so should not be optional in the ABNF above, i.e. >>=20 >> floor-id-attribute =3D "a=3Dfloorid:" token " mstrm:" token *(SP = token) >=20 > If usage of mstrm is always mandated in the procdures then I agree it = should be mandatory also in the ABNF. >=20 > I will fix as suggested. >=20 > --- >=20 >> 2a) The text is weird for that MUST anyway; in both 13.1 and 13.2 we = say: >>=20 >> o MUST associate an SDP 'label' attribute (Section 7), with the 'm' >> line; and >>=20 >> But the SDP label attribute is for the media stream not the BFCP = stream. >=20 > Correct. >=20 > The text shall say: >=20 > "o MUST associate an SDP 'label' attribute (Section 7), with the 'm' = line of each BFCP-controlled data stream; and" >=20 >> o MUST associate an SDP 'label' attribute (Section 7), with the 'm' >> line of the associated media stream(s); and >>=20 >> And for clarity, every other one should probably be changed from: = =E2=80=98m=E2=80=99 line -> =E2=80=98m=E2=80=99 line of the BFCP stream >=20 > Section 13 does say: >=20 > "The procedures apply to an 'm' line describing a BFCP stream.", so we = don't need to repeat it in every instance. >=20 > But, as the 'label' attribute is for other m lines, the text above = could be modified to: >=20 > "Unless explicitly stated otherwise, the procedures apply to an 'm' = line describing a BFCP stream." >=20 > --- >=20 >> 3) In Section 5, can we refine to 2119 language, i.e. >>=20 >> An offerer can indicate multiple attribute value for a given = session. >> An answerer can only indicate one attribute value. >>=20 >> Change to: >>=20 >> An offerer MAY indicate multiple attribute value for a given = session. >> An answerer MUST indicate only one attribute value. >=20 > I commented on this. To me it is unclear whether "MUST" means that one = MUST include the attribute, or that one MUST include the attribute and = MUST indicate only one attribute value. >=20 > I suggest: >=20 > "When inserted in an offer, the offerer MAY indicate multiple = attribute values.=20 > When inserted in an answer, the answerer MUST indicate only one = attribute value." >=20 > I have created a pull request with the suggested changes: >=20 > https://github.com/cdh4u/draft-bfcp-4583bis/pull/5 >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Christer From nobody Sat Mar 24 00:08:23 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42F1512783A for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2018 00:08:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.321 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.321 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, 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<7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B72E0AE38@ESESSMB109.ericsson.se> References: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B72E057CB@ESESSMB102.ericsson.se> <41BEBC0B-C175-4D80-BB49-252E0C5B2B42@gmail.com> <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B72E0AE38@ESESSMB109.ericsson.se> From: Victor Pascual Avila Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 08:46:38 +0100 Message-ID: To: Christer Holmberg Cc: Alan Ford , "bfcpbis@ietf.org" , "Charles Eckel (eckelcu)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b7d21c056823bd65" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bfcpbis] Draft new version: draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis-19 - Alan's comments X-BeenThere: bfcpbis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BFCPBIS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 07:46:42 -0000 --000000000000b7d21c056823bd65 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable fine with me On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 8:08 AM, Christer Holmberg < christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote: > Thanks! > > I will wait for comments from others, then I will merge the pull request > and submit a new version of the draft. > > Regards, > > Christer > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Ford [mailto:alan.ford@gmail.com] > Sent: 24 March 2018 00:10 > To: Christer Holmberg > Cc: Charles Eckel (eckelcu) ; bfcpbis@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [bfcpbis] Draft new version: draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis-1= 9 > - Alan's comments > > Thanks for the clarifications, I think we=E2=80=99ve converged on somethi= ng very > clear now - the PR looks good. > > Cheers, > Alan > > > On 23 Mar 2018, at 16:10, Christer Holmberg com> wrote: > > > > Hi Alan, > > > > Thank You for your comments! Please see inline. > > > >> Great stuff! The new splits and the rewording really make the document > much easier to follow. > > > > Thank You! :) > > > > A few concerns/comments: > > > >> 1) Section 5 now features the word =E2=80=9Cstream=E2=80=9D standalone= in three places: > >> > >> The attribute is used to determine the floor control role for a > >> given stream ( represented by an SDP media description). > >> =E2=80=A6 > >> An endpoint includes the attribute to indicate the role(s) it would > >> be willing to perform for the stream associated with the attribute: > >> =E2=80=A6 > >> Endpoints compliant with [16] might not include the 'floorctrl' > >> attribute in offers and answerer. For a given stream, if the > >> 'floorctrl' attribute is not present the offerer will act as floor > >> control client and the answerer will act as floor control server. > >> > >> For clarity=E2=80=99s sake, can you make these three say =E2=80=9CBFCP= stream=E2=80=9D, to > ensure it=E2=80=99s not causing confusion with associated media streams. > > > > The attribute is not used to negotiate the role for the BFCP stream, bu= t > the role(s) the endpoints can take for individual BFCP-controlled streams= . > > > > However, when looking at text, it may need a little more changes. See > pull request. > > > > --- > > > >> Section 8 also suffers from two new instances of this; all other > instances of =E2=80=9Cstream=E2=80=9D that I can find are refined appropr= iately. > > > > Correct. > > > > Also, as this applies to the BFCP stream, we don't need the "For a give= n > stream" part. > > > > OLD: > > > > "For a given stream, if the > > 'bfcpver' attribute is not present, the default values are inferred > > from the transport specified in the 'm' line (Section 3) associated > > with the stream." > > > > NEW: > > > > "If the 'bfcpver' attribute is not present, the default values are > inferred > > from the transport specified in the 'm' line (Section 3) associated > > with the BFCP stream." > > > > --- > > > >> 2) Going back to my concern over: > >> > >> floor-id-attribute =3D "a=3Dfloorid:" token [" mstrm:" token *(SP > >> token)] > >> > >> I notice that in S13.1, we say: > >> > >> o MUST associate an SDP 'label' attribute (Section 7), with the 'm' > >> line; and > >> > >> Given a label is a MUST, then it infers that the mstrm attribute must > be a MUST, so should not be optional in the ABNF above, i.e. > >> > >> floor-id-attribute =3D "a=3Dfloorid:" token " mstrm:" token *(SP toke= n) > > > > If usage of mstrm is always mandated in the procdures then I agree it > should be mandatory also in the ABNF. > > > > I will fix as suggested. > > > > --- > > > >> 2a) The text is weird for that MUST anyway; in both 13.1 and 13.2 we > say: > >> > >> o MUST associate an SDP 'label' attribute (Section 7), with the 'm' > >> line; and > >> > >> But the SDP label attribute is for the media stream not the BFCP strea= m. > > > > Correct. > > > > The text shall say: > > > > "o MUST associate an SDP 'label' attribute (Section 7), with the 'm' > line of each BFCP-controlled data stream; and" > > > >> o MUST associate an SDP 'label' attribute (Section 7), with the 'm' > >> line of the associated media stream(s); and > >> > >> And for clarity, every other one should probably be changed from: =E2= =80=98m=E2=80=99 > >> line -> =E2=80=98m=E2=80=99 line of the BFCP stream > > > > Section 13 does say: > > > > "The procedures apply to an 'm' line describing a BFCP stream.", so we > don't need to repeat it in every instance. > > > > But, as the 'label' attribute is for other m lines, the text above coul= d > be modified to: > > > > "Unless explicitly stated otherwise, the procedures apply to an 'm' lin= e > describing a BFCP stream." > > > > --- > > > >> 3) In Section 5, can we refine to 2119 language, i.e. > >> > >> An offerer can indicate multiple attribute value for a given session. > >> An answerer can only indicate one attribute value. > >> > >> Change to: > >> > >> An offerer MAY indicate multiple attribute value for a given session. > >> An answerer MUST indicate only one attribute value. > > > > I commented on this. To me it is unclear whether "MUST" means that one > MUST include the attribute, or that one MUST include the attribute and MU= ST > indicate only one attribute value. > > > > I suggest: > > > > "When inserted in an offer, the offerer MAY indicate multiple > attribute values. > > When inserted in an answer, the answerer MUST indicate only one > attribute value." > > > > I have created a pull request with the suggested changes: > > > > https://github.com/cdh4u/draft-bfcp-4583bis/pull/5 > > > > Regards, > > > > Christer > > _______________________________________________ > bfcpbis mailing list > bfcpbis@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bfcpbis > --=20 Victor Pascual =C3=81vila --000000000000b7d21c056823bd65 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
fine with me

On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 8:08 AM, Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote:
Thanks!

I will wait for comments from others, then I will merge the pull request an= d submit a new version of the draft.

Regards,

Christer

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Ford [mailto:alan.ford@gm= ail.com]
Sent: 24 March 2018 00:10
To: Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>
Cc: Charles Eckel (eckelcu) <eckelc= u@cisco.com>; bfcpbis@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [bfcpbis] Draft new version: draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis-19 - Alan's comments

Thanks for the clarifications, I think we=E2=80=99ve converged on something= very clear now - the PR looks good.

Cheers,
Alan

> On 23 Mar 2018, at 16:10, Christer Holmberg <
christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> wro= te:
>
> Hi Alan,
>
> Thank You for your comments! Please see inline.
>
>> Great stuff! The new splits and the rewording really make the docu= ment much easier to follow.
>
> Thank You! :)
>
> A few concerns/comments:
>
>> 1) Section 5 now features the word =E2=80=9Cstream=E2=80=9D standa= lone in three places:
>>
>>=C2=A0 The attribute is used to determine the floor control role fo= r a
>> given=C2=A0 stream ( represented by an SDP media description).
>> =E2=80=A6
>>=C2=A0 An endpoint includes the attribute to indicate the role(s) i= t would
>> be willing to perform for the stream associated with the attribute= :
>> =E2=80=A6
>>=C2=A0 Endpoints compliant with [16] might not include the 'flo= orctrl'
>>=C2=A0 attribute in offers and answerer.=C2=A0 For a given stream, = if the
>> 'floorctrl' attribute is not present the offerer will act = as floor
>> control client and the answerer will act as floor control server.<= br> >>
>> For clarity=E2=80=99s sake, can you make these three say =E2=80=9C= BFCP stream=E2=80=9D, to ensure it=E2=80=99s not causing confusion with ass= ociated media streams.
>
> The attribute is not used to negotiate the role for the BFCP stream, b= ut the role(s) the endpoints can take for individual BFCP-controlled stream= s.
>
> However, when looking at text, it may need a little more changes. See = pull request.
>
> ---
>
>> Section 8 also suffers from two new instances of this; all other i= nstances of =E2=80=9Cstream=E2=80=9D that I can find are refined appropriat= ely.
>
> Correct.
>
> Also, as this applies to the BFCP stream, we don't need the "= For a given stream" part.
>
> OLD:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 "For a given stream, if the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0'bfcpver' attribute is not present, the default va= lues are inferred
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0from the transport specified in the 'm' line (Sect= ion 3) associated
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0with the stream."
>
> NEW:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 "If the 'bfcpver' attribute is not present, = the default values are inferred
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0from the transport specified in the 'm' line (Sect= ion 3) associated
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0with the BFCP stream."
>
> ---
>
>> 2) Going back to my concern over:
>>
>>=C2=A0 floor-id-attribute =3D "a=3Dfloorid:" token ["= ; mstrm:" token *(SP
>> token)]
>>
>> I notice that in S13.1, we say:
>>
>>=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 MUST associate an SDP 'label' attribute (Sec= tion 7), with the 'm'
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0line; and
>>
>> Given a label is a MUST, then it infers that the mstrm attribute m= ust be a MUST, so should not be optional in the ABNF above, i.e.
>>
>>=C2=A0 floor-id-attribute =3D "a=3Dfloorid:" token "= mstrm:" token *(SP token)
>
> If usage of mstrm is always mandated in the procdures then I agree it = should be mandatory also in the ABNF.
>
> I will fix as suggested.
>
> ---
>
>> 2a) The text is weird for that MUST anyway; in both 13.1 and 13.2 = we say:
>>
>>=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 MUST associate an SDP 'label' attribute (Sec= tion 7), with the 'm'
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0line; and
>>
>> But the SDP label attribute is for the media stream not the BFCP s= tream.
>
> Correct.
>
> The text shall say:
>
> "o=C2=A0 MUST associate an SDP 'label' attribute (Section= 7), with the 'm' line of each BFCP-controlled data stream; and&quo= t;
>
>>=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 MUST associate an SDP 'label' attribute (Sec= tion 7), with the 'm'
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0line of the associated media stream(s); and
>>
>> And for clarity, every other one should probably be changed from: = =E2=80=98m=E2=80=99
>> line -> =E2=80=98m=E2=80=99 line of the BFCP stream
>
> Section 13 does say:
>
> "The procedures apply to an 'm' line describing a BFCP st= ream.", so we don't need to repeat it in every instance.
>
> But, as the 'label' attribute is for other m lines, the text a= bove could be modified to:
>
> "Unless explicitly stated otherwise, the procedures apply to an &= #39;m' line describing a BFCP stream."
>
> ---
>
>> 3) In Section 5, can we refine to 2119 language, i.e.
>>
>>=C2=A0 An offerer can indicate multiple attribute value for a given= session.
>>=C2=A0 An answerer can only indicate one attribute value.
>>
>> Change to:
>>
>>=C2=A0 An offerer MAY indicate multiple attribute value for a given= session.
>>=C2=A0 An answerer MUST indicate only one attribute value.
>
> I commented on this. To me it is unclear whether "MUST" mean= s that one MUST include the attribute, or that one MUST include the attribu= te and MUST indicate only one attribute value.
>
> I suggest:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 "When inserted in an offer, the offerer MAY indicate= multiple attribute values.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0When inserted in an answer, the answerer MUST indic= ate only one attribute value."
>
> I have created a pull request with the suggested changes:
>
> https://github.com/cdh4u/draft-bfcp-458= 3bis/pull/5
>
> Regards,
>
> Christer

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The new version contains the merged the pull re= quest created based on Alan's comments. Regards, Christer --_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B72E14B81ESESSMB109erics_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

Since a few more reviews are expected, I agreed with= Charles to submit a new version (-20) of 4583bis. The new version contains= the merged the pull request created based on Alan’s comments.

 

Regards,

 

Christer

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In the offer/answer section, most attributes are included in offer and answ= ers only if the offerer/answerer is acting as floor control server. I have created a pull request that fixes that. Now, when doing the fix, I noted another thing that needs clarification: The procedures say that an offerer includes a set of attributes if it is ac= ting as floor control server. However, if the offerer includes a 'floorctrl= ' attribute with a 'c-s' attribute value in the offer, it does not know whe= ther it will be acting as floor control server - that will be determined on= ce the answer arrives. So, I have added a note clarifying that an offerer includes the attributes = also in case of 'c-s', but that the attribute values will only be used if t= he offerer becomes floor control server (or both floor control server and f= loor control client). "NOTE: If the offerer includes an SDP 'floorctrl' attribute with an= 'c-s' attribute value, attribute values above will only be used if it is d= etermined that the offerer will act as floor control server. If it is deter= mined that the offerer will act as both floor control server and floor control client, the attribute values will = be used for the BFCP-controlled media streams where the offerer acts as flo= or control server." https://github.com/cdh4u/draft-bfcp-4583bis/pull/6 Regards, Christer --_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B72E18B9CESESSMB109erics_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

I noted that an importance part had been lost when I= re-structured the draft.

 

In the offer/answer section, most attributes are inc= luded in offer and answers only if the offerer/answerer is acting as floor = control server.

 

I have created a pull request that fixes that.<= /o:p>

 

Now, when doing the fix, I noted another thing that = needs clarification:

 

The procedures say that an offerer includes a set of= attributes if it is acting as floor control server. However, if the offere= r includes a ‘floorctrl’ attribute with a ‘c-s’ att= ribute value in the offer, it does not know whether it will be acting as floor control server – that will be determined once the= answer arrives.

 

So, I have added a note clarifying that an offerer i= ncludes the attributes also in case of ‘c-s’, but that the attr= ibute values will only be used if the offerer becomes floor control server = (or both floor control server and floor control client).

 

        “NO= TE: If the offerer includes an SDP 'floorctrl' attribute with an 'c-s' attr= ibute value, attribute values above will only be used if it is determined

        &nbs= p; that the offerer will act as floor control server. If it is determined t= hat the offerer will act as both floor

        control s= erver and floor control client, the attribute values will be used for the B= FCP-controlled media streams where the offerer acts as floor

        control s= erver.”

 

https://github.com/cdh4u/draft-bfcp-4583bis/pull/6

 

Regards,

 

Christer

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This draft is a work item of the Binary Floor Control Protocol Bis WG of the IETF. Title : Session Description Protocol (SDP) Format for Binary Floor Control Protocol (BFCP) Streams Authors : Christer Holmberg Gonzalo Camarillo Tom Kristensen Filename : draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis-21.txt Pages : 22 Date : 2018-03-26 Abstract: This document defines the Session Description Protocol (SDP) offer/ answer procedures for negotiating and establishing Binary Floor Control Protocol (BFCP) streams. This document obsoletes RFC 4583. Changes from RFC 4583 are summarized in Section 15. 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Regards, Christer From: Charles Eckel > Date: Monday 26 March 2018 at 01:55 To: Christer Holmberg >, "bfcpbis@ietf.org" > Subject: Re: [bfcpbis] 4583bis: Fixes and clarification regarding SDP attri= butes in offers and answers As an individual, these look good as well. Cheers, Charles From: bfcpbis > o= n behalf of Christer Holmberg > Date: Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 2:42 PM To: "bfcpbis@ietf.org" > Subject: [bfcpbis] 4583bis: Fixes and clarification regarding SDP attribute= s in offers and answers Hi, I noted that an importance part had been lost when I re-structured the draf= t. In the offer/answer section, most attributes are included in offer and answ= ers only if the offerer/answerer is acting as floor control server. I have created a pull request that fixes that. Now, when doing the fix, I noted another thing that needs clarification: The procedures say that an offerer includes a set of attributes if it is ac= ting as floor control server. However, if the offerer includes a =91floorct= rl=92 attribute with a =91c-s=92 attribute value in the offer, it does not = know whether it will be acting as floor control server =96 that will be det= ermined once the answer arrives. So, I have added a note clarifying that an offerer includes the attributes = also in case of =91c-s=92, but that the attribute values will only be used = if the offerer becomes floor control server (or both floor control server a= nd floor control client). =93NOTE: If the offerer includes an SDP 'floorctrl' attribute with = an 'c-s' attribute value, attribute values above will only be used if it is= determined that the offerer will act as floor control server. If it is deter= mined that the offerer will act as both floor control server and floor control client, the attribute values will = be used for the BFCP-controlled media streams where the offerer acts as flo= or control server.=94 https://github.com/cdh4u/draft-bfcp-4583bis/pull/6 Regards, Christer --_000_D6DE77352D006christerholmbergericssoncom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Pull request merged, a couple of editorial nits fixed, and a new versi= on (-21) submitted.

Regards,

Christer

From: Charles Eckel <eckelcu@cisco.com>
Date: Monday 26 March 2018 at 01:55=
To: Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>, "bfcpbis@ietf.org"= ; <bfcpbis@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [bfcpbis] 4583bis: Fix= es and clarification regarding SDP attributes in offers and answers

As an individual, these look good as well.<= /o:p>

 

Cheers,

Charles

 

From: bfcpbis <bfcpbis-bounces@ietf.org> on be= half of Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>
Date: Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 2:42 PM
To: "bfcpbis@ietf.org&q= uot; <bfcpbis@ietf.org>
Subject: [bfcpbis] 4583bis: Fixes and clarification regarding SDP at= tributes in offers and answers

 

Hi,

 

I noted that an importance part had been lost when I = re-structured the draft.

 

In the offer/answer section, most attributes are incl= uded in offer and answers only if the offerer/answerer is acting as floor c= ontrol server.

 

I have created a pull request that fixes that.

 

Now, when doing the fix, I noted another thing that n= eeds clarification:

 

The procedures say that an offerer includes a set of = attributes if it is acting as floor control server. However, if the offerer= includes a =91floorctrl=92 attribute with a =91c-s=92 attribute value in the offer, it does not know whether it will= be acting as floor control server =96 that will be determined once the ans= wer arrives.

 

So, I have added a note clarifying that an offerer in= cludes the attributes also in case of =91c-s=92, but that the attribute val= ues will only be used if the offerer becomes floor control server (or both floor control server and floor control clien= t).

 

        =93NOTE: I= f the offerer includes an SDP 'floorctrl' attribute with an 'c-s' attribute= value, attribute values above will only be used if it is determined

         = ; that the offerer will act as floor control server. If it is determined th= at the offerer will act as both floor

        control se= rver and floor control client, the attribute values will be used for the BF= CP-controlled media streams where the offerer acts as floor

        control se= rver.=94

 

https://git= hub.com/cdh4u/draft-bfcp-4583bis/pull/6

 

Regards,

 

Christer

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Hi,

I would like to clarify the usage of the SDP =91bfcpver' attribute.

According to the procedures, the attribute is only inserted by the flo= or control server. I double checked this in older versions of 4583bis. Howe= ver, in the examples of older versions the attribute is included in an SDP = answer, even if the answerer indicates that it will be floor control client.

So, what is the correct way?

Regards,

Christer


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<60538334-75B5-4A93-8561-2CD2B7DC4295@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7C3C61AA28494918A86CD62E1B60F223ericssoncom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFmpnkeLIzCtJLcpLzFFi42KZGbHdSffexZ1RBjN3G1n8W3eUyWLTrC9s DkweU35vZPVYsuQnUwBTFJdNSmpOZllqkb5dAldG18F7bAV7giueHr3D0sC43KOLkZNDQsBE 4sqjW6xdjFwcQgJHGCV+9bxlh3CWMEr8uLqeqYuRg4NNwEKi+582SIOIgKHEoknrWEBsZgFN iauHdzGC2MICphLvNk1nhqgxk9h+8wkbSKuIgJHE3Z1uIGEWAVWJj+82soPYvAL2Ei8X9DKB 2EICNhId20+AtXIK2Eps/v8QbCSjgJjE91NrmCBWiUvcejKfCeJmAYkle84zQ9iiEi8f/2OF qEmWePK0mRVivqDEyZlPWCYwCs9C0j4LSdksJGUQcQOJ9+fmM0PY2hLLFr6GsvUlNn45y4gs voCRfRWjaHFqcVJuupGxXmpRZnJxcX6eXl5qySZGYPQc3PJbdQfj5TeOhxgFOBiVeHgtT+2M EmJNLCuuzD3EKMHBrCTCm70UKMSbklhZlVqUH19UmpNafIhRmoNFSZz3ofnmKCGB9MSS1OzU 1ILUIpgsEwenVANj1bsDwg11Ell3lx9Vnb41kDvv7OxKu6p4ieL9sTazneU8bdg6T2qWKG+v 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The question is whether the floor control server should care about a value = sent (either explicit or implicit default) by the floor control client or n= ot, or whether the only one sending a valid value is the floor control serv= er. I am fine either way, but if both the client and server send it we will nee= d additional procedures. So, it would probably be easiest to keep the text = saying that only the server sends it. Regards, Christer Sent from my iPhone On 27 Mar 2018, at 6.43, Charles Eckel (eckelcu) > wrote: (as an individual) Hi Christer, The offer/answer language used for confid, userid, and floorid, was used fo= r bfcpver as well. I do not see any harm in a floor control client includin= g a bfcpver attribute in an SDP offer or answer, but the draft is currently= silent on this. If I had it to do over, I would probably opt for being explicit that the bf= cpver attribute is required in all offers and answers, but I do not think w= e can make that change now. The example is okay as is. It would also be fin= e to remove the bfcpver attribute from the answer in which he answerer is a= client. Alternatively, I suppose we could as that the bfcpver is optional (i.e. MAY= include) when acting as a floor control client. Thoughts? Charles From: bfcpbis > o= n behalf of Christer Holmberg > Date: Monday, March 26, 2018 at 12:14 AM To: "bfcpbis@ietf.org" > Subject: [bfcpbis] 4583bis: SDP bfcpver attribute Hi, I would like to clarify the usage of the SDP =91bfcpver' attribute. According to the procedures, the attribute is only inserted by the floor co= ntrol server. I double checked this in older versions of 4583bis. However, = in the examples of older versions the attribute is included in an SDP answe= r, even if the answerer indicates that it will be floor control client. So, what is the correct way? Regards, Christer --_000_7C3C61AA28494918A86CD62E1B60F223ericssoncom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,

There is a way to determine a default value of the attribute is not pr= esent, so that is not a problem.

The question is whether the floor control server should care about a v= alue sent (either explicit or implicit default) by the floor control client= or not, or whether the only one sending a valid value is the floor control= server.

I am fine either way, but if both the client and server send it we wil= l need additional procedures. So, it would probably be easiest to keep the = text saying that only the server sends it.

Regards,

Christer 

Sent from my iPhone

On 27 Mar 2018, at 6.43, Charles Eckel (eckelcu) <eckelcu@cisco.com> wrote:

(as an individual)

 

Hi Christer,

 

The offer/answer language used for confid, useri= d, and floorid, was used for bfcpver as well. I do not see any harm in a fl= oor control client including a bfcpver attribute in an SDP offer or answer, but the draft is currently silent on this.=

If I had it to do over, I would probably opt for= being explicit that the bfcpver attribute is required in all offers and an= swers, but I do not think we can make that change now. The example is okay as is. It would also be fine to remove the bfcpve= r attribute from the answer in which he answerer is a client.

Alternatively, I suppose we could as that the bf= cpver is optional (i.e. MAY include) when acting as a floor control client.= Thoughts?

 

Charles

 

From: bfcpbis <bfcpbis-bounces@ietf.org> on be= half of Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>
Date: Monday, March 26, 2018 at 12:14 AM
To: "bfcpbis@ietf.org&q= uot; <bfcpbis@ietf.org>
Subject: [bfcpbis] 4583bis: SDP bfcpver attribute
<= /p>

 

Hi,

 

I would like to clarify the usage of the SDP =91bfcpv= er' attribute.

 

According to the procedures, the attribute is only in= serted by the floor control server. I double checked this in older versions= of 4583bis. However, in the examples of older versions the attribute is included in an SDP answer, even if the = answerer indicates that it will be floor control client.<= /p>

 

So, what is the correct way?

 

Regards,

 

Christer

 

 
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