From timhare@comcast.net Thu Aug 2 18:03:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: calsify@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: calsify@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DAF321E8034 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 18:03:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.739 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.739 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Fm9KDfYW7M9L for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 18:03:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.243]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4029421F8C06 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 18:03:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.76]) by qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id i0aj1j0081ei1Bg5D13XLg; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 01:03:31 +0000 Received: from THARE ([98.192.128.203]) by omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id i0yb1j00k4PSYR63k0yc1Z; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 00:58:36 +0000 From: "Tim Hare" To: , , "'Calsify'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 20:57:38 -0400 Message-ID: <004301cd7112$faca3bc0$f05eb340$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0044_01CD70F1.73B89BC0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1Pz/uBJO+7Q776S+qWl+28EU3rCwhQWzBA Content-Language: en-us Subject: [calsify] Olympic thoughts X-BeenThere: calsify@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 01:03:31 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01CD70F1.73B89BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Looking at some of the Olympic events pages (for example this one: http://www.london2012.com/hockey/event/women/match=how400b12/index.html) I see lots of room for improvement in the calendar sense: times which don't indicate the timezone (assuming it's whatever daylight savings time is in the UK) and no opportunities to open an event and add it to my own calendar - that I could find, anyway. I seem to see this all the time - either there's no iCalendar support, what's there is in pieces (individual events, but no file for the team's schedule or other grouped events); or it's not well done - no locations, or descriptions bad, etc. Do you think there's something lacking in calendar standards or tools that causes this to happen? Specifically a lack of add-ons that can take event information from where someone is editing it and publishing it as iCalendar stuff? Trying for a broad spectrum of thought on this from calendar folks so that's why the cross posting. Tim Hare Interested Bystander, Non-Inc. ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01CD70F1.73B89BC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Looking at some of the Olympic events pages (for example this one: = http://www.london2012.com/hockey/event/women/match=3Dhow400b12/index.html= )  I see lots of room for improvement in the calendar = sense:   times which don't indicate the timezone (assuming = it's whatever daylight savings time is in the UK) and no opportunities = to open an event and add it to my own calendar - that I could find, = anyway.

 

I seem to see this all the time - either there's no iCalendar = support,  what's there is in pieces (individual events, but no file = for the team's schedule or other grouped events); or it's not well done = - no locations, or descriptions bad, etc.

 

Do you think there's something lacking in calendar standards or tools = that causes this to happen?  Specifically  a lack of add-ons = that can take event information from where someone is editing it and = publishing it as iCalendar stuff?

 

 

Trying for a broad spectrum of thought on this from calendar folks so = that's why the cross posting.

 

Tim Hare

Interested Bystander, = Non-Inc.

------=_NextPart_000_0044_01CD70F1.73B89BC0-- From patrice.scattolin@oracle.com Fri Aug 3 06:02:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: calsify@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: calsify@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0BE721F8DA2 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 06:02:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id inoS48+F-aya for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 06:02:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F5DF21F8D9E for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 06:02:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q73D2gG6029498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 13:02:43 GMT Received: from hqcfmt0201.oracle.com (hqcfmt0201.oracle.com [148.87.24.199]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q73D2fSx006642 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 13:02:42 GMT Received: from [10.156.45.70] (/10.156.45.70) by default (server vdefault) with ESMTP ; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 06:02:41 -0700 Message-ID: <501BCBEF.8050405@oracle.com> Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 09:02:39 -0400 From: Patrice Scattolin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: calsify@ietf.org References: <004301cd7112$faca3bc0$f05eb340$@net> In-Reply-To: <004301cd7112$faca3bc0$f05eb340$@net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000109040306080502010100" X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] Subject: Re: [calsify] Olympic thoughts X-BeenThere: calsify@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 13:02:45 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000109040306080502010100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There simply isn't a compelling use case from end users to create offer from service providers. This likely stems from the fact that there aren't really must have calendar applications that one depends on for their daily life! Frankly ( and it saddens me to admit this) I could certainly live without an electronic calendar. Sure it would be nice that all the scheduling would magically come together but that it doesn't isn't a bad enough problem I need to solve. To a certain extent this has been fixed in the contacts field and the void (at least in my experience) has been filled in either by facebook or linkedin. The "must have" application is the smart phone addressbook and it's a must have simply because no one can remember that many phone numbers to call, email or IM. The resulting integration of the live address book that are either of these service providers and my phone makes the entire experience worth while from the user's perspective and quite rightly. But I simply don't have that many meetings to attend... From a pragmatic point of view, CalDav is simply to complicated to configure and clients aren't well behaved in case of errors (in my experience they are useless at indicating you what you need to fix). So something that would fix provisioning of external calendars should help so that content management applications builders could add an icon to their toolbars that mobile device would react to properly and provision the external calendar on the device's calendar application. This way providing access to external calendar would be trivial to website designers since it would be built in feature of their content management package and it would be trivial for the end users to subscribe to the calendar since clicking on the icon would provision the calendar in their clients. But if that would lead to a ubiquitous calendar icon as popular as the little facebook or pinterest icons, that's a business problem I won`t attempt to address, that's simply out of my depth. On 02/08/2012 8:57 PM, Tim Hare wrote: > > Looking at some of the Olympic events pages (for example this one: > http://www.london2012.com/hockey/event/women/match=how400b12/index.html) > I see lots of room for improvement in the calendar sense: times > which don't indicate the timezone (assuming it's whatever daylight > savings time is in the UK) and no opportunities to open an event and > add it to my own calendar - that I could find, anyway. > > I seem to see this all the time - either there's no iCalendar support, > what's there is in pieces (individual events, but no file for the > team's schedule or other grouped events); or it's not well done - no > locations, or descriptions bad, etc. > > Do you think there's something lacking in calendar standards or tools > that causes this to happen? Specifically a lack of add-ons that can > take event information from where someone is editing it and publishing > it as iCalendar stuff? > > Trying for a broad spectrum of thought on this from calendar folks so > that's why the cross posting. > > Tim Hare > > Interested Bystander, Non-Inc. > > > > _______________________________________________ > calsify mailing list > calsify@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/calsify --------------000109040306080502010100 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There simply isn't a compelling use case from end users to create offer from service providers. This likely stems from the fact that there aren't really must have calendar applications that one depends on for their daily life!

Frankly ( and it saddens me to admit this) I could certainly live without an electronic calendar. Sure it would be nice that all the scheduling would magically come together but that it doesn't isn't a bad enough problem I need to solve.

To a certain extent this has been fixed in the contacts field and the void (at least in my experience) has been filled in either by facebook or linkedin. The "must have" application is the smart phone addressbook and it's a must have simply because no one can remember that many phone numbers to call, email or IM. The resulting integration of the live address book that are either of these service providers and my phone makes the entire experience worth while from the user's perspective and quite rightly.

But I simply don't have that many meetings to attend...

From a pragmatic point of view, CalDav is simply to complicated to configure and clients aren't well behaved in case of errors (in my experience they are useless at indicating you what you need to fix).

So something that would fix provisioning of external calendars should help so that content management applications builders could add an icon to their toolbars that mobile device would react to properly and provision the external calendar on the device's calendar application. This way providing access to external calendar would be trivial to website designers since it would be built in feature of their content management package and it would be trivial for the end users to subscribe to the calendar since clicking on the icon would provision the calendar in their clients.

But if that would lead to a ubiquitous calendar icon as popular as the little facebook or pinterest icons, that's a business problem I won`t attempt to address, that's simply out of my depth.


On 02/08/2012 8:57 PM, Tim Hare wrote:

Looking at some of the Olympic events pages (for example this one: http://www.london2012.com/hockey/event/women/match=how400b12/index.html)  I see lots of room for improvement in the calendar sense:   times which don't indicate the timezone (assuming it's whatever daylight savings time is in the UK) and no opportunities to open an event and add it to my own calendar - that I could find, anyway.

 

I seem to see this all the time - either there's no iCalendar support,  what's there is in pieces (individual events, but no file for the team's schedule or other grouped events); or it's not well done - no locations, or descriptions bad, etc.

 

Do you think there's something lacking in calendar standards or tools that causes this to happen?  Specifically  a lack of add-ons that can take event information from where someone is editing it and publishing it as iCalendar stuff?

 

 

Trying for a broad spectrum of thought on this from calendar folks so that's why the cross posting.

 

Tim Hare

Interested Bystander, Non-Inc.



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--------------000109040306080502010100-- From Nigel.Swinson@rockliffe.com Fri Aug 3 08:16:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: calsify@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: calsify@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0089C21F8DC6 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 08:16:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.489 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.489 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.109, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k+HTJsHCf7+Z for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 08:16:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.rockliffe.com (mail.rockliffe.com [216.34.131.10]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1C3E21F8DA7 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 08:16:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; t=1344007011; d=rockliffe.com; s=live; c=simple/simple; bh=d9l4G9i8X71XQBU4eXmB+x4YPLansVUMDwLTGeu7pLs=; h=X-MimeOLE:X-Mailer:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Priority:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date:Subject:References:Cc:To:From:Message-ID:X-Spam-Score:X-Spam-Score-Charsets:X-Spam-Score-Countries:X-Spam-Score-Phishing_status:X-Spam-Score-rbl_summary:X-Spam-Score-spf_status:X-Spam-Score-scoring_explanation:X-Virus-Score; b=CiLEf3lUfXnRb1VPpYysxf5H6DiTED1h4p+4rXW5rC9bhXEfNENXl8gxJEjLMdQBtHmbrwLeW6bll1BfPKBXyB5jtcWoRqi1/PhsallJgv2vuk2GjPzQVKAuoktKTvPm8MIKGqMls1MXT8olYEd2thewwT2E8yseBHlFSvyJAuM= X-Virus-Score: 1 X-Spam-Score-scoring_explanation: X-Spam-Score-spf_status: fn X-Spam-Score-rbl_summary: none X-Spam-Score-Phishing_status: no X-Spam-Score-Countries: X-Spam-Score-Charsets: iso-8859-1 Received: from NIGEL08 (unverified [94.175.83.31]) by mail.rockliffe.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 9.5.4) with ESMTP id ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 08:16:50 -0700 Message-ID: <4523E3A661CE48A4A869A4CD777F0FC8@NIGEL08> From: "Nigel Swinson" To: "Patrice Scattolin" References: <004301cd7112$faca3bc0$f05eb340$@net> <501BCBEF.8050405@oracle.com> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 16:16:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0379_01CD7193.60A35320" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Cc: calsify@ietf.org Subject: Re: [calsify] Olympic thoughts X-BeenThere: calsify@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 15:16:53 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0379_01CD7193.60A35320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For me, the "Must have" applications for electronic calendaring are just = as much about what you are doing as they are about those you interact = with. As a married man, electronic calendaring would provide me with = access into what my wife has planned in evenings; and therefore permit = us to know if we are both free in an evening by referencing a digital = calendar. Or at least that would be the case if I could get my wife to = use a digital calendar ;o) Better still to be able to quickly schedule = a team meeting, without having to say "which Thursday evenings are you = all free over the next 2 months". However to get to that digtal calendaring nirvana; such a lot of = technology needs to work, with such good interoperability across all the = various mobile platforms. Well get there :o) I think olympic events, or tv listings come after these other "must = have" applications. I think some kind of well recognized logo which = would produce an .ics file for an event would be helpful. I've done = this in the past with (.ics) links after the relevant event, but it = would be better to have the facebook style "Like" or +1 style logos. Nigel ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Patrice Scattolin=20 To: calsify@ietf.org=20 Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [calsify] Olympic thoughts There simply isn't a compelling use case from end users to create = offer from service providers. This likely stems from the fact that there = aren't really must have calendar applications that one depends on for = their daily life! Frankly ( and it saddens me to admit this) I could certainly live = without an electronic calendar. Sure it would be nice that all the = scheduling would magically come together but that it doesn't isn't a bad = enough problem I need to solve.=20 To a certain extent this has been fixed in the contacts field and the = void (at least in my experience) has been filled in either by facebook = or linkedin. The "must have" application is the smart phone addressbook = and it's a must have simply because no one can remember that many phone = numbers to call, email or IM. The resulting integration of the live = address book that are either of these service providers and my phone = makes the entire experience worth while from the user's perspective and = quite rightly.=20 But I simply don't have that many meetings to attend... From a pragmatic point of view, CalDav is simply to complicated to = configure and clients aren't well behaved in case of errors (in my = experience they are useless at indicating you what you need to fix).=20 So something that would fix provisioning of external calendars should = help so that content management applications builders could add an icon = to their toolbars that mobile device would react to properly and = provision the external calendar on the device's calendar application. = This way providing access to external calendar would be trivial to = website designers since it would be built in feature of their content = management package and it would be trivial for the end users to = subscribe to the calendar since clicking on the icon would provision the = calendar in their clients. But if that would lead to a ubiquitous calendar icon as popular as the = little facebook or pinterest icons, that's a business problem I won`t = attempt to address, that's simply out of my depth. On 02/08/2012 8:57 PM, Tim Hare wrote:=20 Looking at some of the Olympic events pages (for example this one: = http://www.london2012.com/hockey/event/women/match=3Dhow400b12/index.html= ) I see lots of room for improvement in the calendar sense: times = which don't indicate the timezone (assuming it's whatever daylight = savings time is in the UK) and no opportunities to open an event and add = it to my own calendar - that I could find, anyway. I seem to see this all the time - either there's no iCalendar = support, what's there is in pieces (individual events, but no file for = the team's schedule or other grouped events); or it's not well done - no = locations, or descriptions bad, etc. Do you think there's something lacking in calendar standards or = tools that causes this to happen? Specifically a lack of add-ons that = can take event information from where someone is editing it and = publishing it as iCalendar stuff? Trying for a broad spectrum of thought on this from calendar folks = so that's why the cross posting. Tim Hare Interested Bystander, Non-Inc. =20 _______________________________________________ calsify mailing list calsify@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/calsify -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- _______________________________________________ calsify mailing list calsify@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/calsify ------=_NextPart_000_0379_01CD7193.60A35320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For me, the "Must have" applications = for electronic=20 calendaring are just as much about what you are doing as they are about = those=20 you interact with.  As a married man, electronic calendaring would = provide=20 me with access into what my wife has planned in evenings; and therefore = permit=20 us to know if we are both free in an evening by referencing a digital=20 calendar.  Or at least that would be the case if I could get my = wife to use=20 a digital calendar ;o)  Better still to be able to quickly schedule = a team=20 meeting, without having to say "which Thursday evenings are you all free = over=20 the next 2 months".
 
However to get to that digtal = calendaring nirvana;=20 such a lot of technology needs to work, with such good interoperability = across=20 all the various mobile platforms.
 
Well get there :o)
 
I think olympic events, or tv listings = come after=20 these other "must have" applications.  I=20 think some kind of well recognized logo which would produce an .ics file = for an=20 event would be helpful.  I've done this in the past with (.ics) links = after the=20 relevant event, but it would be better to have the facebook style "Like" = or +1=20 style logos.
 
Nigel
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Patrice Scattolin =
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 = 2:02=20 PM
Subject: Re: [calsify] Olympic=20 thoughts

There simply isn't a compelling use case from end users = to=20 create offer from service providers. This likely stems from the fact = that=20 there aren't really must have calendar applications that one depends = on for=20 their daily life!

Frankly ( and it saddens me to admit this) I = could=20 certainly live without an electronic calendar. Sure it would be nice = that all=20 the scheduling would magically come together but that it doesn't isn't = a bad=20 enough problem I need to solve.

To a certain extent this has = been=20 fixed in the contacts field and the void (at least in my experience) = has been=20 filled in either by facebook or linkedin. The "must have" application = is the=20 smart phone addressbook and it's a must have simply because no one can = remember that many phone numbers to call, email or IM. The resulting=20 integration of the live address book that are either of these service=20 providers and my phone makes the entire experience worth while from = the user's=20 perspective and quite rightly.

But I simply don't have that = many=20 meetings to attend...

From a pragmatic point of view, CalDav is = simply=20 to complicated to configure and clients aren't well behaved in case of = errors=20 (in my experience they are useless at indicating you what you need to = fix).=20

So something that would fix provisioning of external calendars = should=20 help so that content management applications builders could add an = icon to=20 their toolbars that mobile device would react to properly and = provision the=20 external calendar on the device's calendar application. This way = providing=20 access to external calendar would be trivial to website designers = since it=20 would be built in feature of their content management package and it = would be=20 trivial for the end users to subscribe to the calendar since clicking = on the=20 icon would provision the calendar in their clients.

But if that = would=20 lead to a ubiquitous calendar icon as popular as the little facebook = or=20 pinterest icons, that's a business problem I won`t attempt to address, = that's=20 simply out of my depth.


On 02/08/2012 8:57 PM, Tim Hare = wrote:=20

Looking=20 at some of the Olympic events pages (for example this one: http://www.london2012.com/hockey/event/women/match=3Dhow400b12/= index.html) =20 I see lots of room for improvement in the calendar = sense:   times=20 which don't indicate the timezone (assuming it's whatever daylight = savings=20 time is in the UK) and no opportunities to open an event and add it = to my=20 own calendar - that I could find, anyway.

I=20 seem to see this all the time - either there's no iCalendar support, =  what's there is in pieces (individual events, but no file for = the=20 team's schedule or other grouped events); or it's not well done - no = locations, or descriptions bad, etc.

Do=20 you think there's something lacking in calendar standards or tools = that=20 causes this to happen?  Specifically  a lack of add-ons = that can=20 take event information from where someone is editing it and = publishing it as=20 iCalendar stuff?

Trying=20 for a broad spectrum of thought on this from calendar folks so = that's why=20 the cross posting.

Tim=20 Hare

Interested=20 Bystander, Non-Inc.



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------=_NextPart_000_0379_01CD7193.60A35320-- From mikeadouglass@gmail.com Fri Aug 17 11:48:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: calsify@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: calsify@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 867A311E80D1 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 11:48:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vgmWOmEO9C81 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 11:48:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f44.google.com (mail-yw0-f44.google.com [209.85.213.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E46611E80A5 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 11:48:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yhq56 with SMTP id 56so4704758yhq.31 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 11:48:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/qOmBWWYXzEKtdjuNvUIIoLdRqkz2rNkOy/2jrrdBQs=; b=KjIPS4Z0r9hoMWjQxPJGY+WhN/AxbPVBgllFkjUO/zUVskdWBZ7vY35wqRX5LxDt9i 6mIuA17Z6xTD/Ob9t/S0LXhtJsRn/l/qcttm9zX8ECw9zbabCaO9gnrsHeyFbfER6ez5 ln4eRiu1zrmU8gsJIiOqwbEbwhduGv9RHnZddqFdB+ajTo3S9edV80na1P3ibn2DZGSF t+P9/GCDeHqgEUzwsGGKxUTuB40DBaMrlrYwQVpv4pa1yyVwxqcBTyNstpoWQZzeLvls im98jfRDV1tYLhFf03wZ1h8sa+wEqTay22KTqE3PEKIRr4OyPU6ow4XPekKM0xV0BTh+ CIHg== Received: by 10.236.184.201 with SMTP id s49mr10006503yhm.110.1345229322172; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 11:48:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2620:0:2820:2:226:2dff:fefc:4f4a? ([2620:0:2820:2:226:2dff:fefc:4f4a]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c64sm15124372yhj.17.2012.08.17.11.48.41 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 17 Aug 2012 11:48:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <502E9208.40603@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 14:48:40 -0400 From: Mike Douglass User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120714 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF Calsify Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [calsify] Draft 5 of timezone service specification X-BeenThere: calsify@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 18:48:43 -0000 Draft 5 of https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-douglass-timezone-service/ has been available for some time now and we are now considering taking it to last call. We would appreciate any further comments on this proposed service before we do so. Thank you. Mike Douglass. From McQuilWP@pobox.com Fri Aug 17 20:46:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: calsify@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: calsify@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 852CD21E8095 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 20:46:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.442 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.442 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.857, BAYES_40=-0.185, J_CHICKENPOX_24=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uJISmEhuqee4 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 20:46:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.pobox.com (b-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com [208.72.237.35]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECE2421E805A for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 20:46:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by b-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F050492BA; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 23:46:47 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=date:from :message-id:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; s=sasl; bh=td05e3kS+pKiqpKLjzfCh7Jbl sQ=; b=Y6dYAQ6ZD0EVGacCwyjs9rlPEiQS6VdXPJuAPMF9O8JttuUA0c99d5ONB EqxlbdjZjk6mvgd74u4e8gGOD+T0tV6s//AkCAWwMR8eFHq45hyRtBcE7CtJpfjf m1V6Z5dHhnyV8uzY67+9E4VRNVG2fD9RoiqNlgqH2XHG1s0kvI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=pobox.com; h=date:from :message-id:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=sasl; b=u7q60ndx/Vv/983rGWk LdtmGhQV+elQ89oAqiR2DMfL5QEp0wftCoENF3hEQDiviTbGYfnkjnYIRZTOEizL ChmNm4yWIHJSd73DFYWo5dUctqUDC6Rhqsxmn6VWQy82cRicl0c3p3xdbXNE9sun 17eQQyhr9/oTxA80PowK7axA= Received: from b-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by b-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF4BA92B9; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 23:46:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BQ07NB (unknown [68.107.15.47]) by b-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 1A1A292B8; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 23:46:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 20:46:44 -0700 From: Bill McQuillan X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <714393382.20120817204644@pobox.com> To: douglm@rpi.edu, cyrus@daboo.name MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Pobox-Relay-ID: 55FBE1D2-E8E7-11E1-923B-01B42E706CDE-02871704!b-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com Cc: IETF Calsify Subject: [calsify] draft-douglass-timezone-service-05 X-BeenThere: calsify@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 03:46:54 -0000 Comments on draft-douglass-timezone-service-05: Section 4.1.2 Inactive Timezones The first line, third word ("zone") should probably be removed. The third line, third word ("timezone") should be plural. Section 6.5 Find operation I do not understand the difference between list and find especially since the find example is "TBD". Is there supposed to be some sort of looser matching with find? Section 7.25. TZ:name XML element This says that the values are "typically" one of "Standard" or "Daylight". Are these keywords or just descriptions? Could they change with locale? What would happen if some jurisdiction wanted to recreate "Double Summer Time" where the UTC Offset changed by 2 hours? -- Bill McQuillan From Dave.Thewlis@calconnect.org Fri Aug 24 10:50:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: calsify@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: calsify@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C17D21F8691; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:50:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.636 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.636 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RbxswLyMyWYy; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:50:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newredwood.morsemedia.net (newredwood.morsemedia.net [69.50.246.34]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47A2721F86BE; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:50:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdm-75-109-136-191.asbnva.dh.suddenlink.net ([75.109.136.191]:45019 helo=[192.168.0.218]) by newredwood.morsemedia.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1T4y1K-0002zW-3n; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:50:10 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_F9735839-ED61-4CD4-82A2-BF7FF4123D62" From: Dave Thewlis Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:50:10 -0700 Message-Id: <6503A81C-8D73-46E2-946D-0141B7244DFA@calconnect.org> To: calsify@ietf.org, caldav@ietf.org, vcarddav@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-MorseMedia-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MorseMedia-MailScanner-ID: 1T4y1K-0002zW-3n X-MorseMedia-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MorseMedia-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-MorseMedia-MailScanner-From: dave.thewlis@calconnect.org X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - newredwood.morsemedia.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - calconnect.org Cc: caladmin-l@lists.calconnect.org, caldeveloper-l@lists.calconnect.org Subject: [calsify] =?iso-8859-1?q?CalConnect_is_returning_to_Europe_-_Octo?= =?iso-8859-1?q?ber_1-5=2C_Z=FCrich=2C_Switzerland?= X-BeenThere: calsify@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Dave.Thewlis@calconnect.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:50:13 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_F9735839-ED61-4CD4-82A2-BF7FF4123D62 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 This e-mail is going to multiple calendaring-related lists; my apologies = if you receive more than one copy but you probably will, as so many = folks are on multiple lists. Dear Colleagues, CalConnect , The Calendaring and Scheduling Consortium, is delighted to = announce that its next event, CalConnect XXV, will be hosted by Google = in Z=FCrich, Swttzerland, the week of October 1-5, 2012. We would like = to invite everyone, especially our European colleagues, to join us. This will be the the second full CalConnect event in Europe, following = our very successful first such event last October in Prague. The week = will feature an Interoperability Test Event, a Technical Conference, = plus additional workshops and seminars. We are offering a one-time, = very reduced registration fee for non-members to participate in both the = IOP Test Event and the Roundtable Technical Conference of only $350 per = person. =20 If you are interested in calendaring, would like to participate in the = interoperability testing or the technical seminar, but have found trying = to go to North America too time-consuming or expensive, here's your = chance to participate and find out more about what we do and whether you = want to be involved. Our host, Google, will participate in both the = interoperability test event and the technical conference. =20 For a full introduction to and summary of this event, please see = https://calconnect.wordpress.com/2012/08/24/calconnect-is-returning-to-eur= ope-october-1-5-2012-zurich-switzerland-hosted-by-google/ To see the full logistics page, schedule, etc. please see = http://www.calconnect.org/calconnect25.shtml. Feel free to contact me if you have any questions, and please consider = joining us. =20 Best Regards, Dave Thewlis -- Dave Thewlis, Executive Director CalConnect - The Calendaring and Scheduling Consortium +1 707 840 9391 voice | +1 707 498 2238 mobile | +1 415 946 3454 fax http://www.calconnect.org | Dave.Thewlis@calconnect.org --Apple-Mail=_F9735839-ED61-4CD4-82A2-BF7FF4123D62 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
This e-mail is going to multiple = calendaring-related lists; my apologies if you receive more than one = copy but you probably will, as so many folks are on multiple = lists.

Dear Colleagues,

CalConnect , The Calendaring and Scheduling = Consortium, is delighted to announce that its next event, CalConnect = XXV, will be hosted by Google in Z=FCrich, Swttzerland, the week of = October 1-5, 2012.  We would like to invite everyone, especially = our European colleagues, to join us.

This will = be the the second full CalConnect event in Europe, following our very = successful first such event last October in Prague.  The week will = feature an Interoperability Test Event, a Technical Conference, plus = additional workshops and seminars.  We are offering a one-time, = very reduced registration fee for non-members to participate in both the = IOP Test Event and the Roundtable Technical Conference of only $350 per = person.  

If you are interested in = calendaring, would like to participate in the interoperability testing = or the technical seminar, but have found trying to go to North America = too time-consuming or expensive, here's your chance to participate and = find out more about what we do and whether you want to be involved. =  Our host, Google, will participate in both the interoperability = test event and the technical conference. =  


To see the full logistics page, schedule, etc. please see http://www.calconnec= t.org/calconnect25.shtml.

Feel free to = contact me if you have any questions, and please consider joining us. =  


Best Regards,

Dave Thewlis


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Dave = Thewlis, Executive Director
CalConnect - The = Calendaring and Scheduling Consortium
+1 707 840 9391 = voice | +1 707 498 2238 mobile | +1 415 946 3454 fax

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