From emcmurry@computer.org Mon Apr 15 20:28:41 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dime@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dime@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67D8411E80A3 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 20:28:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mLaIVCTxq-pu for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 20:28:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mho-02-ewr.mailhop.org (mho-02-ewr.mailhop.org [204.13.248.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DC0911E80A2 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 20:28:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cpe-76-184-161-215.tx.res.rr.com ([76.184.161.215] helo=antikythera.casamcmurry.com) by mho-02-ewr.mailhop.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1URwZT-0000mP-IJ for dime@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Apr 2013 03:28:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antikythera.casamcmurry.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95B052BDCE71 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 22:28:38 -0500 (CDT) X-Mail-Handler: Dyn Standard SMTP by Dyn X-Originating-IP: 76.184.161.215 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.dyndns.com/services/sendlabs/outbound_abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: U2FsdGVkX18pFCNgZHpBS9iOS7XvSruAeDCHE6nTZiE= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at casamcmurry.com Received: from antikythera.casamcmurry.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (antikythera.casamcmurry.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OlFhwKW2cQ9o for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 22:28:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ericlaptop.casamcmurry.com (ericlaptop.casamcmurry.com [192.168.111.91]) by antikythera.casamcmurry.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5056C2BDCE5D for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 22:28:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric McMurry Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_7CAABB6F-99F6-4A6C-86C4-E16A070E4547" Message-Id: <8324A72E-6AD6-4EFC-BF5A-F039538D569A@computer.org> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 22:28:38 -0500 To: "dime@ietf.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) Subject: [Dime] comments on overload control requirements X-BeenThere: dime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diameter Maintanence and Extentions Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 03:28:41 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_7CAABB6F-99F6-4A6C-86C4-E16A070E4547 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Discussions during the recent 3GPP CT4 meeting had some relevance to the = last couple of discussions on the diameter overload requirements. I am = repeating the outcome of those discussions here to solicit dime = feedback. I think these are the last discussions left on this draft. = If folks think the proposals here make sense, we'll do a spin with those = changes and it should be ready for its second WGLC. The first one concerns requirement 2. It has been proposed here (by = Ben) that: Diameter clients must be able to use the received load and overload = information to support graceful behavior during an overload condition. = Graceful behavior under overload conditions is best described by REQ 3 be added on the end of that requirement for clarification . I think = there was general consensus around that point and the feedback from CT4 = was in agreement as well. Any further comment? On req 35, there has been much discussion here, and the last round of = that was along the lines of changing it to a MUST with some = qualification to account for the implications of making it a must. = There had been some counter discussion that a qualified MUST was not = much different from the SHOULD that is currently in the draft. While = that point is debatable, I tend to agree that in this case they are = close enough that it is unlikely to affect the outcome of the process. = That was also the feedback from CT4. Some of the people in that = discussion were also part of the discussion here on the dime list and in = Orlando. So, how does leaving that requirement alone (with the SHOULD) = work for folks? I'd like to do this spin of the requirements draft this week, assuming = the changes (and not changes) make sense to everyone. The chairs may = also want to comment on the timing and impending WGLC. Thanks! Eric --Apple-Mail=_7CAABB6F-99F6-4A6C-86C4-E16A070E4547 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Diameter clients must be able to use the received load and overload information to support graceful behavior = during an overload condition. Graceful behavior under overload conditions is best described by REQ 3

be added on the end of that requirement for = clarification .  I think there was general consensus around that = point and the feedback from CT4 was in agreement as well.  Any = further comment?


On req 35, = there has been much discussion here, and the last round of that was = along the lines of changing it to a MUST with some qualification to = account for the implications of making it a must.  There had been = some counter discussion that a qualified MUST was not much different = from the SHOULD that is currently in the draft.  While that point = is debatable, I tend to agree that in this case they are close enough = that it is unlikely to affect the outcome of the process.  That was = also the feedback from CT4.  Some of the people in that discussion = were also part of the discussion here on the dime list and in Orlando. =  So, how does leaving that requirement alone (with the SHOULD) work = for folks?

I'd like to do this spin of the = requirements draft this week, assuming the changes (and not changes) = make sense to everyone.  The chairs may also want to comment on the = timing and impending = WGLC.

Thanks!

Eric
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About the discussion on the requirement 2, I think that the proposal for a = new requirement reflects the common agreement reached just before the last = IETF minutes and the final wording agreed during the Dime session for this = new requirement is fine. About the requirement 35, I'm fine with the "SHOULD" as it is. And the disc= ussion has shown that the "SHOULD" here is understood as a strong recommend= ation given to the solution designer and this requirement will be used as o= ne of the key criteria when evaluating the proposed technical solutions. Regards, Lionel De : dime-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dime-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Eri= c McMurry Envoy=E9 : mardi 16 avril 2013 05:29 =C0 : dime@ietf.org Objet : [Dime] comments on overload control requirements Discussions during the recent 3GPP CT4 meeting had some relevance to the la= st couple of discussions on the diameter overload requirements. I am repea= ting the outcome of those discussions here to solicit dime feedback. I thi= nk these are the last discussions left on this draft. If folks think the p= roposals here make sense, we'll do a spin with those changes and it should = be ready for its second WGLC. The first one concerns requirement 2. It has been proposed here (by Ben) t= hat: Diameter clients must be able to use the received load and overload informa= tion to support graceful behavior during an overload condition. Graceful be= havior under overload conditions is best described by REQ 3 be added on the end of that requirement for clarification . I think there = was general consensus around that point and the feedback from CT4 was in ag= reement as well. Any further comment? On req 35, there has been much discussion here, and the last round of that = was along the lines of changing it to a MUST with some qualification to acc= ount for the implications of making it a must. There had been some counter= discussion that a qualified MUST was not much different from the SHOULD th= at is currently in the draft. While that point is debatable, I tend to agr= ee that in this case they are close enough that it is unlikely to affect th= e outcome of the process. That was also the feedback from CT4. Some of th= e people in that discussion were also part of the discussion here on the di= me list and in Orlando. So, how does leaving that requirement alone (with = the SHOULD) work for folks? I'd like to do this spin of the requirements draft this week, assuming the = changes (and not changes) make sense to everyone. The chairs may also want= to comment on the timing and impending WGLC. Thanks! 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Hi Eric,

 

Thank you for this round up!

 

About the discussion on the requirement 2, I think that the = proposal for a new requirement reflects the common agreement reached just b= efore the last IETF minutes and the final wording agreed during the Dime session= for this new requirement is fine.

 

About the requirement 35, I'm fine with the "SHOULD&quo= t; as it is. And the discussion has shown that the "SHOULD" here = is understood as a strong recommendation given to the solution designer and this requirement will be= used as one of the key criteria when evaluating the proposed technical sol= utions.

 

Regards,

 

Lionel

 

De : dime-bounces= @ietf.org [mailto:dime-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Eric McMurry
Envoy=E9 : mardi 16 avril 2013 05:29
=C0 : dim
e@ietf.org
Objet : [Dime] comments on overload control requirements

 

Discussions during the recent 3GPP CT4 meeting had s= ome relevance to the last couple of discussions on the diameter overload re= quirements.  I am repeating the outcome of those discussions here to s= olicit dime feedback.  I think these are the last discussions left on this draft.  If folks think the proposal= s here make sense, we'll do a spin with those changes and it should be read= y for its second WGLC.

 

The first one concerns requirement 2.  It has b= een proposed here (by Ben) that:

 

Diam= eter clients must be able to use the received load and overload information= to support graceful behavior during an overload condition. Graceful behavi= or under overload conditions is best described by REQ 3

 

be added on the end of that requirement for clarific= ation .  I think there was general consensus around that point and the= feedback from CT4 was in agreement as well.  Any further comment?

 

 

On req 35, there has been much discussion here, and = the last round of that was along the lines of changing it to a MUST with so= me qualification to account for the implications of making it a must.  = ;There had been some counter discussion that a qualified MUST was not much different from the SHOULD that is curre= ntly in the draft.  While that point is debatable, I tend to agree tha= t in this case they are close enough that it is unlikely to affect the outc= ome of the process.  That was also the feedback from CT4.  Some of the people in that discussion were also p= art of the discussion here on the dime list and in Orlando.  So, how d= oes leaving that requirement alone (with the SHOULD) work for folks?

 

I'd like to do this spin of the requirements draft t= his week, assuming the changes (and not changes) make sense to everyone. &n= bsp;The chairs may also want to comment on the timing and impending WGLC.

 

Thanks!

 

Eric

 

 

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Can you and/or Jouni comment on the = timeframe for the WGLC? Thanks! Eric On Apr 16, 2013, at 3:02 , lionel.morand@orange.com wrote: > Hi Eric, > =20 > Thank you for this round up! > =20 > About the discussion on the requirement 2, I think that the proposal = for a new requirement reflects the common agreement reached just before = the last IETF minutes and the final wording agreed during the Dime = session for this new requirement is fine. > =20 > About the requirement 35, I'm fine with the "SHOULD" as it is. And the = discussion has shown that the "SHOULD" here is understood as a strong = recommendation given to the solution designer and this requirement will = be used as one of the key criteria when evaluating the proposed = technical solutions. > =20 > Regards, > =20 > Lionel > =20 > De : dime-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dime-bounces@ietf.org] De la part = de Eric McMurry > Envoy=E9 : mardi 16 avril 2013 05:29 > =C0 : dime@ietf.org > Objet : [Dime] comments on overload control requirements > =20 > Discussions during the recent 3GPP CT4 meeting had some relevance to = the last couple of discussions on the diameter overload requirements. I = am repeating the outcome of those discussions here to solicit dime = feedback. I think these are the last discussions left on this draft. = If folks think the proposals here make sense, we'll do a spin with those = changes and it should be ready for its second WGLC. > =20 > The first one concerns requirement 2. It has been proposed here (by = Ben) that: > =20 > Diameter clients must be able to use the received load and overload = information to support graceful behavior during an overload condition. = Graceful behavior under overload conditions is best described by REQ 3 > =20 > be added on the end of that requirement for clarification . I think = there was general consensus around that point and the feedback from CT4 = was in agreement as well. Any further comment? > =20 > =20 > On req 35, there has been much discussion here, and the last round of = that was along the lines of changing it to a MUST with some = qualification to account for the implications of making it a must. = There had been some counter discussion that a qualified MUST was not = much different from the SHOULD that is currently in the draft. While = that point is debatable, I tend to agree that in this case they are = close enough that it is unlikely to affect the outcome of the process. = That was also the feedback from CT4. Some of the people in that = discussion were also part of the discussion here on the dime list and in = Orlando. So, how does leaving that requirement alone (with the SHOULD) = work for folks? > =20 > I'd like to do this spin of the requirements draft this week, assuming = the changes (and not changes) make sense to everyone. The chairs may = also want to comment on the timing and impending WGLC. > =20 > Thanks! > =20 > Eric > =20 > =20 > = __________________________________________________________________________= _______________________________________________ >=20 > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations = confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez = recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler > a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les = messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, > France Telecom - Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a = ete altere, deforme ou falsifie. Merci. >=20 > This message and its attachments may contain confidential or = privileged information that may be protected by law; > they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. > If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and = delete this message and its attachments. > As emails may be altered, France Telecom - Orange is not liable for = messages that have been modified, changed or falsified. > Thank you. --Apple-Mail=_9CEB1408-C5C0-4C7B-8896-2F35044087C3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi = Lionel,

Thanks for the clarifications.  Can you = and/or Jouni comment on the timeframe for the = WGLC?

Thanks!

Eric
=


On Apr 16, 2013, at 3:02 , lionel.morand@orange.com = wrote:

Hi = Eric,
 
Thank you = for this round up!
 
About the = discussion on the requirement 2, I think that the proposal for a new = requirement reflects the common agreement reached just before  the last IETF minutes and = the final wording agreed during the Dime session for this new = requirement is fine.
 
About the = requirement 35, I'm fine with the "SHOULD" as it is. And the discussion = has shown that the "SHOULD" here is understood as a strong = recommendation given to the solution designer and this requirement will = be used as one of the key criteria when evaluating the proposed = technical solutions.
 
 
 
De : dime-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dime-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Eric = McMurry
Envoy=E9 : mardi 16 avril 2013 = 05:29
=C0 : dim
 [Dime] comments on overload = control requirements
Subject: Re: [Dime] comments on overload control requirements X-BeenThere: dime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diameter Maintanence and Extentions Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 13:35:53 -0000 --=_alternative 004AB14085257B4F_= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Works for me. =A0Thanks Eric. Andrew -----dime-bounces@ietf.org wrote: ----- To: "dime@ietf.org" From: Eric McMurry=20 Sent by: dime-bounces@ietf.org Date: 04/15/2013 11:28PM Subject: [Dime] comments on overload control requirements Discussions during the recent 3GPP CT4 meeting had some relevance to the la= st couple of discussions on the diameter overload requirements. =A0I am rep= eating the outcome of those discussions here to solicit dime feedback. =A0I= think these are the last discussions left on this draft. =A0If folks think= the proposals here make sense, we'll do a spin with those changes and it s= hould be ready for its second WGLC. The first one concerns requirement 2. =A0It has been proposed here (by Ben)= that: Diameter clients must be able to use the received load and overload informa= tion to support graceful behavior during an overload condition. Graceful be= havior under overload conditions is best described by REQ 3 be added on the end of that requirement for clarification . =A0I think ther= e was general consensus around that point and the feedback from CT4 was in = agreement as well. =A0Any further comment? On req 35, there has been much discussion here, and the last round of that = was along the lines of changing it to a MUST with some qualification to acc= ount for the implications of making it a must. =A0There had been some count= er discussion that a qualified MUST was not much different from the SHOULD = that is currently in the draft. =A0While that point is debatable, I tend to= agree that in this case they are close enough that it is unlikely to affec= t the outcome of the process. =A0That was also the feedback from CT4. =A0So= me of the people in that discussion were also part of the discussion here o= n the dime list and in Orlando. =A0So, how does leaving that requirement al= one (with the SHOULD) work for folks? I'd like to do this spin of the requirements draft this week, assuming the = changes (and not changes) make sense to everyone. =A0The chairs may also wa= nt to comment on the timing and impending WGLC. Thanks! Eric =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F DiME mailing list DiME@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dime --=_alternative 004AB14085257B4F_= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-ID: <> Works for me.  Thanks Eric.

Andrew

-----dime-bounces@ietf.org wrote: -----
To: "dime@ietf.org" <dime@ietf.org>
From: Eric McMurry
Sent by: dime-bounces@ietf.org
Date: 04/15/2013 11:28PM
Subject: = [Dime] comments on overload control requirements

Discussions during the recent 3GPP CT4 meeting had some rel= evance to the last couple of discussions on the diameter overload requireme= nts.  I am repeating the outcome of those discussions here to solicit = dime feedback.  I think these are the last discussions left on this dr= aft.  If folks think the proposals here make sense, we'll do a spin wi= th those changes and it should be ready for its second WGLC.

The first one concerns requirement 2.  It has been prop= osed here (by Ben) that:

Diameter clients must be able to use thereceived load and overload informat= ion to support graceful behavior during an overload condition. Graceful behavior under overload conditions is best described by REQ 3

be add= ed on the end of that requirement for clarification .  I think there w= as general consensus around that point and the feedback from CT4 was in agr= eement as well.  Any further comment?


On req 35, there has been much discussio= n here, and the last round of that was along the lines of changing it to a = MUST with some qualification to account for the implications of making it a= must.  There had been some counter discussion that a qualified MUST w= as not much different from the SHOULD that is currently in the draft.  = ;While that point is debatable, I tend to agree that in this case they are = close enough that it is unlikely to affect the outcome of the process. &nbs= p;That was also the feedback from CT4.  Some of the people in that dis= cussion were also part of the discussion here on the dime list and in Orlan= do.  So, how does leaving that requirement alone (with the SHOULD) wor= k for folks?

I'd like to do this spin of the requirements draft this= week, assuming the changes (and not changes) make sense to everyone.  = ;The chairs may also want to comment on the timing and impending WGLC.

Thanks!

Eric


--=_alternative 004AB14085257B4F_=-- From lionel.morand@orange.com Wed Apr 17 16:01:10 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dime@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dime@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4286121E80AD for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:01:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.597 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.597 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4rNPwYJ5jmp4 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:01:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relais-inet.francetelecom.com (relais-ias91.francetelecom.com [193.251.215.91]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C582F21E809F for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:01:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omfedm06.si.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.2]) by omfedm12.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 92A6B18C28B for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 01:01:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Exchangemail-eme1.itn.ftgroup (unknown [10.114.1.186]) by omfedm06.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 77F1727C053 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 01:01:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from PEXCVZYM13.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::cc7e:e40b:42ef:164e]) by PEXCVZYH01.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([::1]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 01:01:07 +0200 From: To: "dime@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Dime] comments on overload control requirements Thread-Index: AQHOOqdPogCrwmEz4kCZw92g2LoMFJjbCBrg Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 23:01:06 +0000 Message-ID: <8742_1366239667_516F29B3_8742_11087_1_6B7134B31289DC4FAF731D844122B36E1B3B07@PEXCVZYM13.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <8324A72E-6AD6-4EFC-BF5A-F039538D569A@computer.org> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.197.38.1] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_6B7134B31289DC4FAF731D844122B36E1B3B07PEXCVZYM13corpora_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-PMX-Version: 5.6.1.2065439, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2013.4.17.210331 Subject: Re: [Dime] comments on overload control requirements X-BeenThere: dime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diameter Maintanence and Extentions Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 23:01:10 -0000 --_000_6B7134B31289DC4FAF731D844122B36E1B3B07PEXCVZYM13corpora_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (with my chair hat) Hi, Could we consider that the way forward proposed by Eric is acceptable for t= he rest of the WG? Please send even a simple "Works for me" like Andrew. We need to move forwa= rd. By the end of the week, I will ask to Eric and Ben to produce a last versio= n of the draft for a new WGLC, as announced during the last IETF meeting. Regards, Lionel De : dime-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dime-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de And= rew Booth Envoy=E9 : mardi 16 avril 2013 15:36 =C0 : Eric McMurry Cc : dime@ietf.org Objet : Re: [Dime] comments on overload control requirements Works for me. Thanks Eric. Andrew -----dime-bounces@ietf.org wrote: ----- To: "dime@ietf.org" From: Eric McMurry Sent by: dime-bounces@ietf.org Date: 04/15/2013 11:28PM Subject: [Dime] comments on overload control requirements Discussions during the recent 3GPP CT4 meeting had some relevance to the la= st couple of discussions on the diameter overload requirements. I am repea= ting the outcome of those discussions here to solicit dime feedback. I thi= nk these are the last discussions left on this draft. If folks think the p= roposals here make sense, we'll do a spin with those changes and it should = be ready for its second WGLC. The first one concerns requirement 2. It has been proposed here (by Ben) t= hat: Diameter clients must be able to use thereceived load and overload informat= ion to support graceful behavior during an overload condition. Graceful beh= avior under overload conditions is best described by REQ 3 be added on the end of that requirement for clarification . I think there = was general consensus around that point and the feedback from CT4 was in ag= reement as well. Any further comment? On req 35, there has been much discussion here, and the last round of that = was along the lines of changing it to a MUST with some qualification to acc= ount for the implications of making it a must. There had been some counter= discussion that a qualified MUST was not much different from the SHOULD th= at is currently in the draft. While that point is debatable, I tend to agr= ee that in this case they are close enough that it is unlikely to affect th= e outcome of the process. That was also the feedback from CT4. Some of th= e people in that discussion were also part of the discussion here on the di= me list and in Orlando. So, how does leaving that requirement alone (with = the SHOULD) work for folks? I'd like to do this spin of the requirements draft this week, assuming the = changes (and not changes) make sense to everyone. The chairs may also want= to comment on the timing and impending WGLC. Thanks! 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(with my chair hat)

 

Hi,

 

Could we consider that the way forward proposed by Eric is a= cceptable for the rest of the WG?

Please send even a simple "Works for me" like Andr= ew. We need to move forward.

By the end of the week, I will ask to Eric and Ben to produc= e a last version of the draft for a new WGLC, as announced during the last = IETF meeting.

 

Regards,

 

Lionel

 

De : dime= -bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dime-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Andrew Booth
Envoy=E9 : mardi 16 avril 2013 15:36
=C0 : Eric McMurry
Cc : dime@ietf.org
Objet : Re: [Dime] comments on overload control requirements

 

Works for me.  Thanks Eric.

 

Andrew

-----dime-bounces@ietf.org wrote: -----

To: "dime@ietf.org" <dime@= ietf.org>
From: Eric McMurry
Sent by: dime-bounces@ietf.org
Date: 04/15/2013 11:28PM
Subject: [Dime] comments on overload control requirements

Discussions during the recent 3GPP CT4 meeting had some relevance to the la= st couple of discussions on the diameter overload requirements.  I am = repeating the outcome of those discussions here to solicit dime feedback. &= nbsp;I think these are the last discussions left on this draft.  If folks think the proposals here make sense, we= 'll do a spin with those changes and it should be ready for its second WGLC= .

 

The first one concerns requirement 2. &= nbsp;It has been proposed here (by Ben) that:

 

Diam= eter clients must be able to use thereceived load and overload information = to support graceful behavior during an overload condition. Graceful behavio= r under overload conditions is best described by REQ 3<= /span>

 

be added on the end of that requirement= for clarification .  I think there was general consensus around that = point and the feedback from CT4 was in agreement as well.  Any further comment?

 

 

On req 35, there has been much discussi= on here, and the last round of that was along the lines of changing it to a= MUST with some qualification to account for the implications of making it a must.  There had been some counter discussion that a q= ualified MUST was not much different from the SHOULD that is currently in t= he draft.  While that point is debatable, I tend to agree that in this= case they are close enough that it is unlikely to affect the outcome of the process.  That was also the feedback fro= m CT4.  Some of the people in that discussion were also part of the di= scussion here on the dime list and in Orlando.  So, how does leaving t= hat requirement alone (with the SHOULD) work for folks?

 

I'd like to do this spin of the require= ments draft this week, assuming the changes (and not changes) make sense to= everyone.  The chairs may also want to comment on the timing and impending WGLC.

 

Thanks!

 

Eric

 

 

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For Req 35, as Lionel , I agree on the "Should" that here is understood as= a strong recommendation given to the solution designer and this requiremen= t will be used as one of the key criteria when evaluating the proposed tech= nical solutions. Best regards JJacques ________________________________ De : dime-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dime-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de lio= nel.morand@orange.com Envoy=E9 : mardi 16 avril 2013 10:02 =C0 : Eric McMurry; dime@ietf.org Objet : Re: [Dime] comments on overload control requirements Hi Eric, Thank you for this round up! About the discussion on the requirement 2, I think that the proposal for a = new requirement reflects the common agreement reached just before the last = IETF minutes and the final wording agreed during the Dime session for this = new requirement is fine. About the requirement 35, I'm fine with the "SHOULD" as it is. And the disc= ussion has shown that the "SHOULD" here is understood as a strong recommend= ation given to the solution designer and this requirement will be used as o= ne of the key criteria when evaluating the proposed technical solutions. Regards, Lionel De : dime-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dime-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Eri= c McMurry Envoy=E9 : mardi 16 avril 2013 05:29 =C0 : dime@ietf.org Objet : [Dime] comments on overload control requirements Discussions during the recent 3GPP CT4 meeting had some relevance to the la= st couple of discussions on the diameter overload requirements. I am repea= ting the outcome of those discussions here to solicit dime feedback. I thi= nk these are the last discussions left on this draft. If folks think the p= roposals here make sense, we'll do a spin with those changes and it should = be ready for its second WGLC. The first one concerns requirement 2. It has been proposed here (by Ben) t= hat: Diameter clients must be able to use the received load and overload informa= tion to support graceful behavior during an overload condition. Graceful be= havior under overload conditions is best described by REQ 3 be added on the end of that requirement for clarification . I think there = was general consensus around that point and the feedback from CT4 was in ag= reement as well. Any further comment? On req 35, there has been much discussion here, and the last round of that = was along the lines of changing it to a MUST with some qualification to acc= ount for the implications of making it a must. There had been some counter= discussion that a qualified MUST was not much different from the SHOULD th= at is currently in the draft. While that point is debatable, I tend to agr= ee that in this case they are close enough that it is unlikely to affect th= e outcome of the process. That was also the feedback from CT4. Some of th= e people in that discussion were also part of the discussion here on the di= me list and in Orlando. So, how does leaving that requirement alone (with = the SHOULD) work for folks? I'd like to do this spin of the requirements draft this week, assuming the = changes (and not changes) make sense to everyone. The chairs may also want= to comment on the timing and impending WGLC. Thanks! Eric ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu= ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages el= ectroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, France Telecom - Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete al= tere, deforme ou falsifie. 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Hi<= o:p>

 

As = I did for the Orlando= meeting,  I confirm  my agreement for the new sentence to be add= ed to REQ2 and reminded by Eric.

 

For= Req 35, as Lionel , I agree on the “Should”  that here is= understood as a strong recommendation given to the solution designer and this requirement will be used as one of the key criteria when= evaluating the proposed technical solutions.

 

Bes= t regards

 

JJa= cques

 

 


De := dime-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dime-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de lionel.morand@orange.com
Envoy=E9 : mardi 16 avr= il 2013 10:02
=C0 : Eric McMurry; dime@ietf.org
Objet : Re: [Dime] comm= ents on overload control requirements

 

= Hi Eric,

=  

= Thank you for this round up!

=  

= About the discussion on the requirement 2, I think that the proposal= for a new requirement reflects the common agreement reached just before the last IETF minutes and the final wording agreed dur= ing the Dime session for this new requirement is fine.

=  

= About the requirement 35, I'm fine with the "SHOULD" as it= is. And the discussion has shown that the "SHOULD" here is understood as a strong recommendation given to the solution designer an= d this requirement will be used as one of the key criteria when evaluating = the proposed technical solutions.

=  

= Regards,

=  

= Lionel

=  

De = ;: dime-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dime-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Eric McMurry
Envoy=E9 : mardi 16 avr= il 2013 05:29
=C0 : dime@ietf.org
Objet : [Dime] comments on overload control requirements

 

Discussions during the recent 3GPP CT4 meeting had some relevance t= o the last couple of discussions on the diameter overload requirements. &nb= sp;I am repeating the outcome of those discussions here to solicit dime feedback.  I think these ar= e the last discussions left on this draft.  If folks think the proposa= ls here make sense, we'll do a spin with those changes and it should be rea= dy for its second WGLC.

 

The first one concerns requirement 2.  It has been proposed he= re (by Ben) that:

 

Diameter clients must be able to use = the received load and overload information to support graceful behavior dur= ing an overload condition. Graceful behavior under overload conditions is best described by REQ 3

 

be added on the end of that requirement for clarification .  I= think there was general consensus around that point and the feedback from = CT4 was in agreement as well.  Any further comment?

 

 

On req 35, there has been much discussion here, and the last round = of that was along the lines of changing it to a MUST with some qualificatio= n to account for the implications of making it a must.  There had been some counter discussion that a q= ualified MUST was not much different from the SHOULD that is currently in t= he draft.  While that point is debatable, I tend to agree that in this= case they are close enough that it is unlikely to affect the outcome of the process.  That was also the feedback fro= m CT4.  Some of the people in that discussion were also part of the di= scussion here on the dime list and in Orlando.  So, how does leaving t= hat requirement alone (with the SHOULD) work for folks?

 

I'd like to do this spin of the requirements draft this week, assum= ing the changes (and not changes) make sense to everyone.  The chairs = may also want to comment on the timing and impending WGLC.

 

Thanks!

 

Eric

 

 

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bWw+DQo= --_000_E42CCDDA6722744CB241677169E83656020D4842MISOUT7MSGUSR9I_-- From ben@nostrum.com Fri Apr 19 06:56:44 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dime@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dime@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B472E21F95FF for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 06:56:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GRN92mfNRpeI for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 06:56:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shaman.nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D558B21F95FA for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 06:56:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.12] (cpe-76-187-92-156.tx.res.rr.com [76.187.92.156]) (authenticated bits=0) by shaman.nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id r3JDug3V039402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 08:56:43 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) From: Ben Campbell In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 08:56:43 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7650B814-BB4E-4CDF-BC93-DB2E9502F6CF@nostrum.com> References: <8324A72E-6AD6-4EFC-BF5A-F039538D569A@computer.org> <8742_1366239667_516F29B3_8742_11087_1_6B7134B31289DC4FAF731D844122B36E1B3B07@PEXCVZYM13.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <26C84DFD55BC3040A45BF70926E55F255AB945A4@szxeml528-mbs.china.huawei.com> To: "dime@ietf.org" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) Received-SPF: pass (shaman.nostrum.com: 76.187.92.156 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Subject: Re: [Dime] comments on overload control requirements X-BeenThere: dime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diameter Maintanence and Extentions Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 13:56:44 -0000 It's probably obvious since I'm a co-author with Eric, but for the sake = of completeness: +1 On Apr 19, 2013, at 8:52 AM, "DOLLY, MARTIN C" wrote: > Greetings, > =20 > I agree Reqts, and proposed way forward > =20 > Regards, > =20 > Martin > =20 > From: dime-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dime-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf = Of Shishufeng (Susan) > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 10:04 PM > To: lionel.morand@orange.com; dime@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Dime] comments on overload control requirements > =20 > Hi Lionel and all, > =20 > The wording for REQ2 and REQ35 are ok for me. > =20 > Best Regards, > Susan > =20 > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: lionel.morand@orange.com = [mailto:lionel.morand@orange.com]=20 > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2013=E5=B9=B44=E6=9C=8818=E6=97=A5= 7:01 > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: dime@ietf.org > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Dime] comments on overload control = requirements > =20 > (with my chair hat) > =20 > Hi, > =20 > Could we consider that the way forward proposed by Eric is acceptable = for the rest of the WG? > Please send even a simple "Works for me" like Andrew. We need to move = forward. > By the end of the week, I will ask to Eric and Ben to produce a last = version of the draft for a new WGLC, as announced during the last IETF = meeting. > =20 > Regards, > =20 > Lionel > =20 > De : dime-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dime-bounces@ietf.org] De la part = de Andrew Booth > Envoy=C3=A9 : mardi 16 avril 2013 15:36 > =C3=80 : Eric McMurry > Cc : dime@ietf.org > Objet : Re: [Dime] comments on overload control requirements > =20 > Works for me. Thanks Eric. > =20 > Andrew >=20 > -----dime-bounces@ietf.org wrote: ----- > To: "dime@ietf.org" > From: Eric McMurry=20 > Sent by: dime-bounces@ietf.org > Date: 04/15/2013 11:28PM > Subject: [Dime] comments on overload control requirements >=20 > Discussions during the recent 3GPP CT4 meeting had some relevance to = the last couple of discussions on the diameter overload requirements. I = am repeating the outcome of those discussions here to solicit dime = feedback. I think these are the last discussions left on this draft. = If folks think the proposals here make sense, we'll do a spin with those = changes and it should be ready for its second WGLC. > =20 > The first one concerns requirement 2. It has been proposed here (by = Ben) that: > =20 > Diameter clients must be able to use thereceived load and overload = information to support graceful behavior during an overload condition. = Graceful behavior under overload conditions is best described by REQ 3 > =20 > be added on the end of that requirement for clarification . I think = there was general consensus around that point and the feedback from CT4 = was in agreement as well. Any further comment? > =20 > =20 > On req 35, there has been much discussion here, and the last round of = that was along the lines of changing it to a MUST with some = qualification to account for the implications of making it a must. = There had been some counter discussion that a qualified MUST was not = much different from the SHOULD that is currently in the draft. While = that point is debatable, I tend to agree that in this case they are = close enough that it is unlikely to affect the outcome of the process. = That was also the feedback from CT4. Some of the people in that = discussion were also part of the discussion here on the dime list and in = Orlando. So, how does leaving that requirement alone (with the SHOULD) = work for folks? > =20 > I'd like to do this spin of the requirements draft this week, assuming = the changes (and not changes) make sense to everyone. The chairs may = also want to comment on the timing and impending WGLC. > =20 > Thanks! > =20 > Eric > =20 > =20 > _________________________ ______________________ > DiME mailing list > DiME@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dime > = __________________________________________________________________________= _______________________________________________ > =20 > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations = confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez = recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler > a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les = messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, > France Telecom - Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a = ete altere, deforme ou falsifie. 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Apr 2013 11:33:55 -0700 Cc: dime@ietf.org Subject: [Dime] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dime-overload-reqs-06.txt X-BeenThere: dime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diameter Maintanence and Extentions Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 18:33:56 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Diameter Maintenance and Extensions Worki= ng Group of the IETF. Title : Diameter Overload Control Requirements Author(s) : Eric McMurry Ben Campbell Filename : draft-ietf-dime-overload-reqs-06.txt Pages : 27 Date : 2013-04-20 Abstract: When a Diameter server or agent becomes overloaded, it needs to be able to gracefully reduce its load, typically by informing clients to reduce sending traffic for some period of time. Otherwise, it must continue to expend resources parsing and responding to Diameter messages, possibly resulting in congestion collapse. The existing Diameter mechanisms, listed in Section 3 are not sufficient for this purpose. This document describes the limitations of the existing mechanisms in Section 4. Requirements for new overload management mechanisms are provided in Section 7. 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From emcmurry@computer.org Fri Apr 26 07:50:49 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dime@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dime@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C30DC21F99BC for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 07:50:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 83FgU0ewFMNr for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 07:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mho-01-ewr.mailhop.org (mho-03-ewr.mailhop.org [204.13.248.66]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C05E21F9A3A for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 07:50:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cpe-76-184-161-215.tx.res.rr.com ([76.184.161.215] helo=antikythera.casamcmurry.com) by mho-01-ewr.mailhop.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UVjz4-000Hnz-2D for dime@ietf.org; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 14:50:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antikythera.casamcmurry.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E1042E417AD for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 09:50:45 -0500 (CDT) X-Mail-Handler: Dyn Standard SMTP by Dyn X-Originating-IP: 76.184.161.215 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.dyndns.com/services/sendlabs/outbound_abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: U2FsdGVkX18lziURs57fwkXYquSIfke/9XN+3u2Nyf8= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at casamcmurry.com Received: from antikythera.casamcmurry.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (antikythera.casamcmurry.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WLz5HxKXssjP for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 09:50:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ericlaptop.casamcmurry.com (ericlaptop.casamcmurry.com [192.168.111.91]) by antikythera.casamcmurry.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EF92D2E41798 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 09:50:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric McMurry Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6ACB1D23-8C2F-4042-9A54-B3F5C7DEDC0F" Message-Id: <6F15CC88-B968-4B8D-82B9-3826B26AC231@computer.org> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 09:50:44 -0500 To: "dime@ietf.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) Subject: [Dime] roach-dime-overload-ctrl update X-BeenThere: dime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diameter Maintanence and Extentions Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 14:50:49 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_6ACB1D23-8C2F-4042-9A54-B3F5C7DEDC0F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii There is an update to the proposed Diameter overload control mechanism = that Adam had written: Filename: draft-roach-dime-overload-ctrl Revision: 02 Title: A Mechanism for Diameter Overload Control Creation date: 2013-04-24 Group: Individual Submission Number of pages: 49 URL: = http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-roach-dime-overload-ctrl-02.txt Status: = http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-roach-dime-overload-ctrl Htmlized: = http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-roach-dime-overload-ctrl-02 Diff: = http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-roach-dime-overload-ctrl-02 This has had some cleanup and updating, and the placeholder requirements = analysis was filled in (as was discussed in Orlando). The update is = intended to facilitate the analysis of overload control through = non-adjacent elements and evaluation of use cases against potential = complexity. thanks, Eric --Apple-Mail=_6ACB1D23-8C2F-4042-9A54-B3F5C7DEDC0F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii There = is an update to the proposed Diameter overload control mechanism that = Adam had written:




This has had some cleanup and = updating, and the placeholder requirements analysis was filled in (as = was discussed in Orlando).  The update is intended to facilitate = the analysis of overload control through non-adjacent elements and = evaluation of use cases against potential = complexity.

thanks,

Eric=


= --Apple-Mail=_6ACB1D23-8C2F-4042-9A54-B3F5C7DEDC0F-- From lionel.morand@orange.com Fri Apr 26 09:52:58 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dime@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dime@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A672321F9A57 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 09:52:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.003 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.003 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jC6cKNxtBqql for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 09:52:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relais-inet.francetelecom.com (relais-ias91.francetelecom.com [193.251.215.91]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E95521F9A4F for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 09:52:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omfedm07.si.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.3]) by omfedm10.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id AE30026451A for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 18:52:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Exchangemail-eme1.itn.ftgroup (unknown [10.114.1.186]) by omfedm07.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 9341D4C063 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 18:52:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from PEXCVZYM13.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::cc7e:e40b:42ef:164e]) by PEXCVZYH01.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([::1]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 18:52:56 +0200 From: To: "dime@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Before moving the Design guidelines document to IESG Thread-Index: Ac5Cnn/heelcI04iSiOak8vRlWj96A== Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 16:52:55 +0000 Message-ID: <29074_1366995176_517AB0E8_29074_4713_1_6B7134B31289DC4FAF731D844122B36E1C609D@PEXCVZYM13.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.197.38.1] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_6B7134B31289DC4FAF731D844122B36E1C609DPEXCVZYM13corpora_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-PMX-Version: 5.6.1.2065439, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2013.4.26.151519 Subject: [Dime] Before moving the Design guidelines document to IESG X-BeenThere: dime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diameter Maintanence and Extentions Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 16:52:58 -0000 --_000_6B7134B31289DC4FAF731D844122B36E1C609DPEXCVZYM13corpora_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In IETF85, it was agreed to include in the design guidelines document the r= ecommendations for set-up of IPsec transport connections that was removed f= rom RFC6733. After a final review before submission to IESG, it was raised that only IKE= v1 [RFC2409] was considered in this section whereas it was obsoleted by IKE= v2 [RFC 4306 and then RFC5996]. However, we are still in a migration phase and IKEv1 is still used. My proposal would be to update the section 5.11 as follow: - recommend IKEv2 for peer authentication - keep the existing recommendations for cases where onlyIKEv1 = is available Any comment? Lionel ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu= ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages el= ectroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, France Telecom - Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete al= tere, deforme ou falsifie. Merci. This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged inf= ormation that may be protected by law; they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and dele= te this message and its attachments. As emails may be altered, France Telecom - Orange is not liable for message= s that have been modified, changed or falsified. Thank you. --_000_6B7134B31289DC4FAF731D844122B36E1C609DPEXCVZYM13corpora_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In IETF85, it was agreed to include in the design guidelines document th= e recommendations for set-up of IPsec transport connections that was remove= d from RFC6733.

After a final review before submission to IESG, it was raised that only = IKEv1 [RFC2409] was considered in this section whereas it was obsoleted by = IKEv2 [RFC 4306 and then RFC5996].

However, we are still in a migration phase and IKEv1 is still used.

 

My proposal would be to update the section 5.11 as follow:

-      &nb= sp;       recommend IKEv2 for peer authentication

-      &nb= sp;       keep the existing recommendations for cases where onlyIKEv1 is avail= able

 

Any comment?

 

Lionel

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--_000_6B7134B31289DC4FAF731D844122B36E1C609DPEXCVZYM13corpora_-- From johnsonhammond2@hushmail.com Sat Apr 27 10:08:12 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dime@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dime@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A570B21F983E for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 10:08:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b4iwH5O0DwY7 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 10:08:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp2.hushmail.com (smtp2a.hushmail.com [65.39.178.237]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 795BF21F9837 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 10:08:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp2.hushmail.com (smtp2a.hushmail.com [65.39.178.237]) by smtp2.hushmail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 35AA4E7C18 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 17:08:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.hushmail.com (w8.hushmail.com [65.39.178.52]) by smtp2.hushmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 17:08:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.hushmail.com (Postfix, from userid 99) id EB29514DBE1; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 17:08:11 +0000 (UTC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 13:08:11 -0400 To: dime@ietf.org From: johnsonhammond2@hushmail.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-Id: <20130427170811.EB29514DBE1@smtp.hushmail.com> Subject: [Dime] Biggest Fake Conference in Computer Science X-BeenThere: dime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diameter Maintanence and Extentions Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 18:08:47 -0000 Biggest Fake Conference in Computer Science We are researchers from different parts of the world and conducted a study on the world’s biggest bogus computer science conference WORLDCOMP ( http://sites.google.com/site/worlddump1 ) organized by Prof. Hamid Arabnia from University of Georgia, USA. We submitted a fake paper to WORLDCOMP 2011 and again (the same paper with a modified title) to WORLDCOMP 2012. This paper had numerous fundamental mistakes. Sample statements from that paper include: (1). Binary logic is fuzzy logic and vice versa (2). Pascal developed fuzzy logic (3). Object oriented languages do not exhibit any polymorphism or inheritance (4). TCP and IP are synonyms and are part of OSI model (5). Distributed systems deal with only one computer (6). Laptop is an example for a super computer (7). Operating system is an example for computer hardware Also, our paper did not express any conceptual meaning. However, it was accepted both the times without any modifications (and without any reviews) and we were invited to submit the final paper and a payment of $500+ fee to present the paper. We decided to use the fee for better purposes than making Prof. Hamid Arabnia (Chairman of WORLDCOMP) rich. After that, we received few reminders from WORLDCOMP to pay the fee but we never responded. We MUST say that you should look at the above website if you have any thoughts to submit a paper to WORLDCOMP. DBLP and other indexing agencies have stopped indexing WORLDCOMP’s proceedings since 2011 due to its fakeness. See http://www.informatik.uni-trier.de/~ley/db/conf/icai/index.html for of one of the conferences of WORLDCOMP and notice that there is no listing after 2010. See Section 2 of http://sites.google.com/site/dumpconf for comments from well-known researchers about WORLDCOMP. The status of your WORLDCOMP papers can be changed from scientific to other (i.e., junk or non-technical) at any time. Better not to have a paper than having it in WORLDCOMP and spoil the resume and peace of mind forever! Our study revealed that WORLDCOMP is a money making business, using University of Georgia mask, for Prof. Hamid Arabnia. He is throwing out a small chunk of that money (around 20 dollars per paper published in WORLDCOMP’s proceedings) to his puppet (Mr. Ashu Solo or A.M.G. Solo) who publicizes WORLDCOMP and also defends it at various forums, using fake/anonymous names. The puppet uses fake names and defames other conferences to divert traffic to WORLDCOMP. He also makes anonymous phone calls and tries to threaten the critiques of WORLDCOMP (See Item 7 of Section 5 of above website). That is, the puppet does all his best to get a maximum number of papers published at WORLDCOMP to get more money into his (and Prof. Hamid Arabnia’s) pockets. Monte Carlo Resort (the venue of WORLDCOMP for more than 10 years, until 2012) has refused to provide the venue for WORLDCOMP’13 because of the fears of their image being tarnished due to WORLDCOMP’s fraudulent activities. That is why WORLDCOMP’13 is taking place at a different resort. WORLDCOMP will not be held after 2013. The draft paper submission deadline is over but still there are no committee members, no reviewers, and there is no conference Chairman. The only contact details available on WORLDCOMP’s website is just an email address! Let us make a direct request to Prof. Hamid arabnia: publish all reviews for all the papers (after blocking identifiable details) since 2000 conference. Reveal the names and affiliations of all the reviewers (for each year) and how many papers each reviewer had reviewed on average. We also request him to look at the Open Challenge (Section 6) at https://sites.google.com/site/moneycomp1 Sorry for posting to multiple lists. Spreading the word is the only way to stop this bogus conference. Please forward this message to other mailing lists and people. We are shocked with Prof. Hamid Arabnia and his puppet’s activities http://worldcomp-fake-bogus.blogspot.com Search Google using the keyword worldcomp fake for additional links. From internet-drafts@ietf.org Mon Apr 29 05:47:48 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dime@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dime@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FED721F9D8B; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 05:47:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UNkT7fQP95RE; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 05:47:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0051221F9D83; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 05:47:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.44.p4 Message-ID: <20130429124744.26564.38016.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 05:47:44 -0700 Cc: dime@ietf.org Subject: [Dime] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dime-realm-based-redirect-08.txt X-BeenThere: dime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diameter Maintanence and Extentions Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 12:47:48 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Diameter Maintenance and Extensions Worki= ng Group of the IETF. Title : Realm-Based Redirection In Diameter Author(s) : Tina Tsou Ruibing Hao Tom Taylor Filename : draft-ietf-dime-realm-based-redirect-08.txt Pages : 8 Date : 2013-04-29 Abstract: The Diameter protocol allows a Diameter redirect agent to specify one or more individual hosts to which a Diameter message may be redirected by an upstream Diameter node. However, in some circumstances an operator may wish to redirect messages to an alternate domain without specifying individual hosts. This document specifies a mechanism by which this can be achieved. New applications may incorporate this capability by reference to the present document. This memo updates Sections 6.13 and 6.14 of RFC6733 with respect to the usage of the Redirect-Host-Usage and Redirect-Max-Cache-Time AVPs. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dime-realm-based-redirect There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dime-realm-based-redirect-08 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-dime-realm-based-redirect-08 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com Mon Apr 29 05:50:37 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dime@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dime@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DB6521F9D9F for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 05:50:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I0Aj4IP91JCj for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 05:50:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ia0-x232.google.com (mail-ia0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c02::232]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DC0C21F9D94 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 05:50:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ia0-f178.google.com with SMTP id j38so5448777iad.37 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 05:50:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-forwarded-message-id:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=OmkhP8/5ZuC2eg5c+GKYOfwkW7YqRq5BiAEo3YHFvek=; b=juNgtwTUPuItNYxqBwM38BOm8EasCVSQylYW/oXISLsY51JQ3iC3CZ/wl118zI5G8d 9quK/FP6+UQsXAQQoIV7OyuwDoWnuOszKn7ovyBFclWo+EtAnrT1A3qnpEc40oXaCJPy Use9FoJC9EjzkIEvQqvLw931tt+mXG4yJIpe8Etc+LylDXBPKRv9BbC+a+Cm37EVXGZ7 zkV//E4db/P+89LVQjuM44FdANM8q6Vplqg27y5Gn6YCnieotZ9K7tn+pCggus0oYhR+ bW0B9gw33kUu1loux8KWRVnaFCuhJn2XYQlJIrBEhLI6kysqPuEoXDcAL7h/v62dFsDK /nCA== X-Received: by 10.50.134.196 with SMTP id pm4mr7382838igb.93.1367239835336; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 05:50:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.65] (dsl-173-206-104-209.tor.primus.ca. [173.206.104.209]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id b6sm18892152igv.5.2013.04.29.05.50.34 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 29 Apr 2013 05:50:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <517E6C99.5080909@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 08:50:33 -0400 From: Tom Taylor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dime@ietf.org" References: <20130429124744.26564.38016.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20130429124744.26564.38016.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <20130429124744.26564.38016.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Dime] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dime-realm-based-redirect-08.txt X-BeenThere: dime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diameter Maintanence and Extentions Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 12:50:37 -0000 This was strictly a keep-alive update. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Dime] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dime-realm-based-redirect-08.txt Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 05:47:44 -0700 From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org CC: dime@ietf.org A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Diameter Maintenance and Extensions Working Group of the IETF. Title : Realm-Based Redirection In Diameter Author(s) : Tina Tsou Ruibing Hao Tom Taylor Filename : draft-ietf-dime-realm-based-redirect-08.txt Pages : 8 Date : 2013-04-29 Abstract: The Diameter protocol allows a Diameter redirect agent to specify one or more individual hosts to which a Diameter message may be redirected by an upstream Diameter node. However, in some circumstances an operator may wish to redirect messages to an alternate domain without specifying individual hosts. This document specifies a mechanism by which this can be achieved. New applications may incorporate this capability by reference to the present document. This memo updates Sections 6.13 and 6.14 of RFC6733 with respect to the usage of the Redirect-Host-Usage and Redirect-Max-Cache-Time AVPs. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dime-realm-based-redirect There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dime-realm-based-redirect-08 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-dime-realm-based-redirect-08 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ DiME mailing list DiME@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dime