From radiaperlman@gmail.com Mon Apr 11 17:46:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: edu-team@ietfc.amsl.com Delivered-To: edu-team@ietfc.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EADCDE0660 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:46:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.500, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([208.66.40.236]) by localhost (ietfc.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 45YqVBoJl4MW for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:46:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34C86E0613 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:46:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iye19 with SMTP id 19so7620484iye.31 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:46:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=m+/9+hrAzY3fgfjDqUWss4ZeYzgJRURSdjXE+ysBZBc=; b=ejSHxWatLI0IfpOg+QPtDEt+l8TkbFztVNv01+r2hC2suzm1EhHebGQkigosg9ATGZ 5JOxrE0ojqlp67dodA7AyEejVX6OmU7lOX0abncf8ejkrT+9xALMwCDEg2LD7BBjjMAh pu4jyB5i46NaAuQAS4LzljzWMIHkuUokesMAo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=wHT2UPAFe9xg36njXRn9GmxZyOs140nRH5+7Vo2vMgGCmqRRt1Ah1Broqh9mgq4nkP UTE/bNCWtU2MR9NPW7JxYUsEe4o0xDZ12AFvqRaDo89R6qtjAzICe4KTq13fPK8gKOtX xEQw3THVwlv+d4n05IkG0YIVm1sgyGO1mUX94= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.18.66 with SMTP id w2mr8383496ica.169.1302569200746; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:46:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.115.70 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:46:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:46:40 -0700 Message-ID: From: Radia Perlman To: EDU Team Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [edu-team] So...Do we know what the next tutorials will be? X-BeenThere: edu-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Education Team List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 00:46:46 -0000 I'd talked to a "wireless guy" in Prague about a potential tutorial, and he seemed excited, but I'm not sure I remember who it was...hopefully he'll ping me at some point. Another potential technical tutorial might be "what's a MIB?" Perhaps MPLS? Perhaps something on the mesh of ISPs. Ron Bonica did one on that, but I think it was more on the BGP protocol rather than how peering relationships happen, the default free zone, what kinds of policies people use and why, how it's all managed, interesting folklore about things like the Youtube incident, what they were trying to accomplish, how they got it wrong, the effect of it, etc. Any other ideas? Perhaps we should think of a bunch of things in advance and work on recruiting people and helping them create a tutorial? Radia From margaretw42@gmail.com Tue Apr 12 17:13:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: edu-team@ietfc.amsl.com Delivered-To: edu-team@ietfc.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43E56E06D9 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 17:13:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.432 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.432 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.167, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([208.66.40.236]) by localhost (ietfc.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0YAueBLFa5W7 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 17:13:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.suchdamage.org (permutation-city.suchdamage.org [69.25.196.28]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E50DCE06B8 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 17:13:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.36.0.42] (pool-108-20-27-240.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [108.20.27.240]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mail.suchdamage.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9F79520378 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 20:09:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: From: Margaret Wasserman To: EDU Team Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-76365820 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 20:13:16 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: [edu-team] Fwd: 81st IETF Tutorials X-BeenThere: edu-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Education Team List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 00:13:24 -0000 --Apple-Mail-1-76365820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So, what tutorials do we want to do this time? I was thinking I might update the WG Leadership tutorial again, based on experience last time, and do it again. What other tutorials were done last time that should be repeated? What about asking Thomas Narten to do "Bringing New Work" again? Margaret Begin forwarded message: > From: Wanda Lo > Date: April 12, 2011 8:03:43 PM EDT > To: Mirjam Kuehne , Margaret Wasserman > > Cc: Beaulieu Marcia > Subject: 81st IETF Tutorials > > Hello Ladies, > > We are planning to open registration for IETF 81 - Quebec on the > 26th of April and would like to get all the tutorials' information > ready. Please send as soon as you can so we can include it in the > registration system. If you have any questions, please let me know. > > > Thanks so much! > Wanda > > > > > > =========================== > Wanda Lo > Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) > 48377 Fremont Blvd., Ste. 117 > Fremont, California 94538 / USA > +1-510-492-4082 > +1-510-492-4001 (fax) > www.ietf.org > > -- > Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) > Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning > www.amsl.com > > > > --Apple-Mail-1-76365820 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

So, what = tutorials do we want to do this time?

I was thinking = I might update the WG Leadership tutorial again, based on experience = last time, and do it again.

What other = tutorials were done last time that should be = repeated?

What about asking Thomas Narten to do = "Bringing New Work" = again? 

Margaret


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From: = Wanda Lo <wlo@amsl.com>
Date: = April 12, 2011 8:03:43 PM EDT
To: Mirjam = Kuehne <mir@ripe.net>, = Margaret Wasserman <margaretw42@gmail.com>=
Cc: Beaulieu Marcia <mbeaulieu@amsl.com>
=
Subject: = 81st IETF Tutorials

Hello = Ladies,

We are planning to open registration for IETF = 81 - Quebec on the 26th of April and would like to get all the = tutorials' information ready.  Please send as soon as you can so we = can include it in the registration system.  If you have any = questions, please let me = know.


Thanks so = much!
Wanda



48377 Fremont Blvd., = Ste. 117 
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= --Apple-Mail-1-76365820-- From brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com Tue Apr 12 23:28:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: edu-team@ietfc.amsl.com Delivered-To: edu-team@ietfc.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E61F0E06B1 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 23:28:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([208.66.40.236]) by localhost (ietfc.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eX78D04Ll+wu for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 23:28:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f44.google.com (mail-ww0-f44.google.com [74.125.82.44]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B096AE0675 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 23:28:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwa36 with SMTP id 36so203878wwa.13 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 23:28:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent :mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=vB2oeF/4d6hgF1YbLFTD3Cwm7t9jJWkjEL/4A4UCDyg=; b=bpttS4qVDgGWnCbWVQ4bWx+CTz9z0y9Af3PZLcp/8G4XruHTXCh2WuUd+Fm8qMrJko Xh8i5SGcYRUizffOcbA5PWCMJum2qjEeXT/GtZLoMnKRN/xQ7TFQH/SsNecYGfoRy5oK C2QSWYFfZWR5vcELKl5tadVqR6fAvSYIRHZ/Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=Bq2pDWfJb2T2e00tRg64izVkqLEgRyEiWoX9d0IYZ+u/myEsT2ql+Jyezg/vRCLc0w 95xvNsq1Xd7KdoRAcTwds71C+F34mOmFybGSDIk1DE1DkQZwnRd/FVEbhj2uJme5YHui 0dYE3n1aQcGcM9rGeyDJJbO9nKPAgBJiO9vjk= Received: by 10.216.239.71 with SMTP id b49mr3754227wer.107.1302676131993; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 23:28:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.65] (host81-159-213-38.range81-159.btcentralplus.com [81.159.213.38]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r57sm76572wes.25.2011.04.12.23.28.50 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 12 Apr 2011 23:28:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4DA542A1.2030006@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 18:28:49 +1200 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Margaret Wasserman References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: EDU Team Subject: Re: [edu-team] Fwd: 81st IETF Tutorials X-BeenThere: edu-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Education Team List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 06:28:54 -0000 > What about asking Thomas Narten to do "Bringing New Work" again? Good idea. All the chit-chat about Bar BOFs suggests that this is needed. Regards Brian Carpenter On 2011-04-13 12:13, Margaret Wasserman wrote: > > So, what tutorials do we want to do this time? > > I was thinking I might update the WG Leadership tutorial again, based on > experience last time, and do it again. > > What other tutorials were done last time that should be repeated? > > What about asking Thomas Narten to do "Bringing New Work" again? > > Margaret > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Wanda Lo >> Date: April 12, 2011 8:03:43 PM EDT >> To: Mirjam Kuehne , Margaret Wasserman >> >> Cc: Beaulieu Marcia >> Subject: 81st IETF Tutorials >> >> Hello Ladies, >> >> We are planning to open registration for IETF 81 - Quebec on the 26th >> of April and would like to get all the tutorials' information ready. >> Please send as soon as you can so we can include it in the >> registration system. If you have any questions, please let me know. >> >> >> Thanks so much! >> Wanda >> >> >> >> >> >> =========================== >> Wanda Lo >> Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) >> 48377 Fremont Blvd., Ste. 117 >> Fremont, California 94538 / USA >> +1-510-492-4082 >> +1-510-492-4001 (fax) >> www.ietf.org >> >> -- >> Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) >> Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning >> www.amsl.com >> >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > edu-team mailing list > edu-team@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team From brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com Tue Apr 12 23:34:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: edu-team@ietfc.amsl.com Delivered-To: edu-team@ietfc.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12B0DE06D1 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 23:34:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([208.66.40.236]) by localhost (ietfc.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TnR1QNA5vmcx for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 23:34:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f44.google.com (mail-ww0-f44.google.com [74.125.82.44]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05F72E06BC for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 23:34:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwa36 with SMTP id 36so206533wwa.13 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 23:34:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent :mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=UXwcn+ST57d6MO48GG+cs4QEmi4uHnjCisEzbfEFaNw=; b=qWZgwAv5qCnys0zBer6tX2MmU0yaVuK4NzSEtrMZNsrHc5YSULsi2Szu8Y39vBbOZe EEK78diNHr/LLkfeqwYwDieyI4GrNhHw+7wmSy62PCVWpnv4J//9a+kCd1ZU+p7qE1dP 4nmVpvOimcw3k4EUTDF1mNzD9jQUY/iIdqhtU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=QZVY/h9W6TOL2mqhRBTwm9qOpvFkt+n/ad5o9UkYmgRSvCySwWIIqYwlClDAjCmsFv kvnJv7261olXXASw+7vr0qtDFK2bKKNQtZI9BbW5aUZPt3fSoWWR5CPgnvvNE9VOQ+Lb NYKexqBPmMjrrwUoybh9aZ/4oB6HOy9O9YAR4= Received: by 10.216.173.12 with SMTP id u12mr5373578wel.18.1302676496168; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 23:34:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.65] (host81-159-213-38.range81-159.btcentralplus.com [81.159.213.38]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u9sm121054wbg.17.2011.04.12.23.34.54 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 12 Apr 2011 23:34:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4DA5440D.90201@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 18:34:53 +1200 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Radia Perlman References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: EDU Team Subject: Re: [edu-team] So...Do we know what the next tutorials will be? X-BeenThere: edu-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Education Team List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 06:34:58 -0000 On 2011-04-12 12:46, Radia Perlman wrote: > I'd talked to a "wireless guy" in Prague about a potential tutorial, > and he seemed excited, but I'm not sure I remember who it > was...hopefully he'll ping me at some point. Maybe it was an author of draft-ietf-v6ops-3gpp-eps? I'd want to see a clear description of scope first, since this could cover so many things. > Another potential technical tutorial might be "what's a MIB?" Well, we should ask the O&M ADs if they believe there is a knowledge gap there. > Perhaps MPLS? That seems like a niche technology in IETF terms, however. > > Perhaps something on the mesh of ISPs. Ron Bonica did one on that, > but I think it was more on the BGP protocol rather than how peering > relationships happen, the default free zone, what kinds of policies > people use and why, how it's all managed, interesting folklore about > things like the Youtube incident, what they were trying to accomplish, > how they got it wrong, the effect of it, etc. Does that affect the work of other WGs though? Also, apart from Geoff Huston, I'm not sure who would be willing to cover these aspects. It's too close to business models for most ISPs or their vendors to discuss in public. > > Any other ideas? Perhaps we should think of a bunch of things in > advance and work on recruiting people and helping them create a > tutorial? Yes, we should do that rather than living from hand to mouth. Brian > > Radia > _______________________________________________ > edu-team mailing list > edu-team@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team > From mir@ripe.net Wed Apr 13 00:47:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: edu-team@ietfc.amsl.com Delivered-To: edu-team@ietfc.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F267E0754 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 00:47:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.367 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.367 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.232, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([208.66.40.236]) by localhost (ietfc.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N7eKChTEaDxV for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 00:46:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postlady.ripe.net (postlady.ipv6.ripe.net [IPv6:2001:67c:2e8:11::c100:1341]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5231E0753 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 00:46:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ayeaye.ripe.net ([193.0.23.5]) by postlady.ripe.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q9umu-0008Ge-Bs; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 09:46:57 +0200 Received: from mkuhne.vpn.ripe.net ([193.0.21.105] helo=guest164.guestnet.ripe.net) by ayeaye.ripe.net with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q9umu-0005gk-5l; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 09:46:56 +0200 Message-ID: <4DA554F0.8060209@ripe.net> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 09:46:56 +0200 From: Mirjam Kuehne User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Margaret Wasserman References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RIPE-Spam-Level: -- X-RIPE-Spam-Report: Spam Total Points: -2.9 points pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- ------------------------------------ -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-RIPE-Signature: 7e0932718cf60c1d07d29cd25dae927439b422b12b4969bbfa699f235b676ba7 Cc: EDU Team Subject: Re: [edu-team] Fwd: 81st IETF Tutorials X-BeenThere: edu-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Education Team List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 07:47:00 -0000 Hi, So, we have the following so far: Newcomers (Scott?) WG Leadership (Margaret) Bringing new work to the IETF (Thomas Narten) - Thomas, would you be willing to do this in Quebec? Then we need at least one more: Maybe one on MPLS as suggested by Radia? Who could we ask to tech this? Or do we want to offer 'Intro to xml2rfc' once more? Alice? Mirjam Margaret Wasserman wrote: > > So, what tutorials do we want to do this time? > > I was thinking I might update the WG Leadership tutorial again, based on > experience last time, and do it again. > > What other tutorials were done last time that should be repeated? > > What about asking Thomas Narten to do "Bringing New Work" again? > > Margaret > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> *From: *Wanda Lo > >> *Date: *April 12, 2011 8:03:43 PM EDT >> *To: *Mirjam Kuehne >, Margaret >> Wasserman > >> *Cc: *Beaulieu Marcia > >> *Subject: **81st IETF Tutorials* >> >> Hello Ladies, >> >> We are planning to open registration for IETF 81 - Quebec on the 26th >> of April and would like to get all the tutorials' information ready. >> Please send as soon as you can so we can include it in the >> registration system. If you have any questions, please let me know. >> >> >> Thanks so much! >> Wanda >> >> >> >> >> >> =========================== >> Wanda Lo >> Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) >> 48377 Fremont Blvd., Ste. 117 >> Fremont, California 94538 / USA >> +1-510-492-4082 >> +1-510-492-4001 (fax) >> _www.ietf.org _ >> >> /--/// >> Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) >> Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning >> www.amsl.com >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > edu-team mailing list > edu-team@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team From radiaperlman@gmail.com Wed Apr 13 06:43:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: edu-team@ietfc.amsl.com Delivered-To: edu-team@ietfc.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39974E0709 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 06:43:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.349 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.349 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.250, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([208.66.40.236]) by localhost (ietfc.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Cbsc-BI+-Ybs for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 06:43:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CE0EE066B for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 06:43:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iye19 with SMTP id 19so792885iye.31 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 06:43:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=v8WEC8RYxqGZ9Jz8VZRtWZcJIj8sMDsK13ifOk8ycG0=; b=MLMdYcDMZPMl+fy4Fj87aRE+584IzYu+3ndkVAY+x+dRASAk/HlJd8+vjvQvMd/eST ZL++aE+2o/sV0nDiobOqoyDqT1gGt3JE1GS8sEjYJx53ymVmQA5WQ3c87uEnqMzYTz+A JMWThyaPGRCbjAR1J5dcNHG3BUifqGa6+T8Xc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=v5AxRBmDIlKOurRuSuZSvfoLwV6ta6Kgf9KNTIx5dSB9oPZqIIIkR+v1IQRI9AHCot drTYYi6I3ZapiuUU0vpYkSJyILJvRSNjMSZYa1OaYiWNGiKMywes37eQSOwdXrg/UYIw mz3XsV7YDRt7sOYdKqGxmX6fvE34oKA5De2G8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.43.64.9 with SMTP id xg9mr4052762icb.102.1302702223483; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 06:43:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.115.70 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 06:43:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4DA554F0.8060209@ripe.net> References: <4DA554F0.8060209@ripe.net> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 06:43:43 -0700 Message-ID: From: Radia Perlman To: Mirjam Kuehne Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: EDU Team , Margaret Wasserman Subject: Re: [edu-team] Fwd: 81st IETF Tutorials X-BeenThere: edu-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Education Team List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 13:43:45 -0000 Does the "intro to xml2rfc" also talk about the nroff tool for creating internet drafts? I thought the slides implied that, in which case it might be better to give it a different title, like "tools for creating internet drafts and rfcs". Radia On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 12:46 AM, Mirjam Kuehne wrote: > Hi, > > So, we have the following so far: > > Newcomers (Scott?) > > WG Leadership (Margaret) > > Bringing new work to the IETF (Thomas Narten) > - Thomas, would you be willing to do this in Quebec? > > Then we need at least one more: Maybe one on MPLS as suggested by Radia? = Who > could we ask to tech this? > > Or do we want to offer 'Intro to xml2rfc' once more? Alice? > > Mirjam > > Margaret Wasserman wrote: >> >> So, what tutorials do we want to do this time? >> >> I was thinking I might update the WG Leadership tutorial again, based on >> experience last time, and do it again. >> >> What other tutorials were done last time that should be repeated? >> >> What about asking Thomas Narten to do "Bringing New Work" again? >> Margaret >> >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >>> *From: *Wanda Lo > >>> *Date: *April 12, 2011 8:03:43 PM EDT >>> *To: *Mirjam Kuehne >, Margaret >>> Wasserman > >>> *Cc: *Beaulieu Marcia > >>> *Subject: **81st IETF Tutorials* >>> >>> Hello Ladies, >>> >>> We are planning to open registration for IETF 81 - Quebec on the 26th o= f >>> April and would like to get all the tutorials' information ready. =A0Pl= ease >>> send as soon as you can so we can include it in the registration system= . =A0If >>> you have any questions, please let me know. >>> >>> >>> Thanks so much! >>> Wanda >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D >>> Wanda Lo >>> Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) >>> 48377 Fremont Blvd., Ste. 117 Fremont, California 94538 / USA >>> +1-510-492-4082 +1-510-492-4001 (fax) _www.ietf.org _ >>> =A0/--/// >>> Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) >>> Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning >>> www.amsl.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> edu-team mailing list >> edu-team@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team > > _______________________________________________ > edu-team mailing list > edu-team@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team > From ahagens@amsl.com Wed Apr 13 07:04:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: edu-team@ietfc.amsl.com Delivered-To: edu-team@ietfc.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 848B4E0759 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 07:04:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([208.66.40.236]) by localhost (ietfc.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4IaM1u++Axwt for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 07:04:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [64.170.98.20]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EC42E06C6 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 07:04:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c1a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48236E08B6; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 07:04:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c1a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c1a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1rNs1dMwVG-5; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 07:04:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc2.home (pool-72-66-107-92.washdc.fios.verizon.net [72.66.107.92]) by c1a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9437DE086B; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 07:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Alice Hagens In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:04:30 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4FBDB433-85F7-4924-BB36-F487F55E4B21@amsl.com> References: <4DA554F0.8060209@ripe.net> To: Radia Perlman X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Cc: EDU Team , Margaret Wasserman Subject: Re: [edu-team] Fwd: 81st IETF Tutorials X-BeenThere: edu-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Education Team List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:04:33 -0000 At IETF 80, "Tools for Creating Internet-Drafts" was given; it covered = NroffEdit and xml2rfc. Slides are here: = http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc-editor/tools_80.pdf At IETF 73 and 75, a tutorial was given that covered xml2rfc only; it = was "Intro to xml2rfc". Slides are here: = http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc-editor/intro_xml2rfc_75.pdf (Also, at a past IETF, Henrik gave a tutorial about IETF Tools in = general.) For IETF 81, I'd vote "Document Lifecycle" if we want to change it up, = or "Tools for Creating Internet-Drafts" if we want to repeat Prague. (I = would agree that "Tools for Creating Internet-Drafts" is more helpful = than "Intro to xml2rfc".) Thanks, Alice On Apr 13, 2011, at 9:43 AM, Radia Perlman wrote: > Does the "intro to xml2rfc" also talk about the nroff tool for > creating internet drafts? I thought the slides implied that, in which > case it might be better to give it a different title, like "tools for > creating internet drafts and rfcs". >=20 > Radia >=20 >=20 > On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 12:46 AM, Mirjam Kuehne wrote: >> Hi, >>=20 >> So, we have the following so far: >>=20 >> Newcomers (Scott?) >>=20 >> WG Leadership (Margaret) >>=20 >> Bringing new work to the IETF (Thomas Narten) >> - Thomas, would you be willing to do this in Quebec? >>=20 >> Then we need at least one more: Maybe one on MPLS as suggested by = Radia? Who >> could we ask to tech this? >>=20 >> Or do we want to offer 'Intro to xml2rfc' once more? Alice? >>=20 >> Mirjam >>=20 >> Margaret Wasserman wrote: >>>=20 >>> So, what tutorials do we want to do this time? >>>=20 >>> I was thinking I might update the WG Leadership tutorial again, = based on >>> experience last time, and do it again. >>>=20 >>> What other tutorials were done last time that should be repeated? >>>=20 >>> What about asking Thomas Narten to do "Bringing New Work" again? >>> Margaret >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Begin forwarded message: >>>=20 >>>> *From: *Wanda Lo > >>>> *Date: *April 12, 2011 8:03:43 PM EDT >>>> *To: *Mirjam Kuehne >, Margaret >>>> Wasserman > >>>> *Cc: *Beaulieu Marcia > >>>> *Subject: **81st IETF Tutorials* >>>>=20 >>>> Hello Ladies, >>>>=20 >>>> We are planning to open registration for IETF 81 - Quebec on the = 26th of >>>> April and would like to get all the tutorials' information ready. = Please >>>> send as soon as you can so we can include it in the registration = system. If >>>> you have any questions, please let me know. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Thanks so much! >>>> Wanda >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D >>>> Wanda Lo >>>> Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) >>>> 48377 Fremont Blvd., Ste. 117 Fremont, California 94538 / USA >>>> +1-510-492-4082 +1-510-492-4001 (fax) _www.ietf.org = _ >>>> /--/// >>>> Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) >>>> Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning >>>> www.amsl.com >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> = ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> edu-team mailing list >>> edu-team@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> edu-team mailing list >> edu-team@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team >>=20 > _______________________________________________ > edu-team mailing list > edu-team@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team >=20 From sob@harvard.edu Wed Apr 13 07:05:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: edu-team@ietfc.amsl.com Delivered-To: edu-team@ietfc.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68663E0759 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 07:05:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.882 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.882 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.717, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([208.66.40.236]) by localhost (ietfc.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Jp0rrJlz-y1W for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 07:05:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newdev.eecs.harvard.edu (newdev.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.60.212]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02443E06FC for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 07:05:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by newdev.eecs.harvard.edu (Postfix, from userid 501) id 56BE7A66E91; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:05:53 -0400 (EDT) To: edu-team@ietf.org, margaretw42@gmail.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20110413140553.56BE7A66E91@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:05:53 -0400 (EDT) From: sob@harvard.edu (Scott O. Bradner) Subject: Re: [edu-team] Fwd: 81st IETF Tutorials X-BeenThere: edu-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Education Team List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:05:54 -0000 I can do the newbee (again) if wanted Scott From housley@vigilsec.com Wed Apr 13 07:10:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: edu-team@ietfc.amsl.com Delivered-To: edu-team@ietfc.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F7ABE0752 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 07:10:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.54 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.54 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.059, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([208.66.40.236]) by localhost (ietfc.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NAxHfIXHNPue for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 07:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from odin.smetech.net (mail.smetech.net [208.254.26.82]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98336E06FC for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 07:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [208.254.26.81]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC0AEF24064 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:10:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([208.254.26.82]) by localhost (ronin.smetech.net [208.254.26.81]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lqv6sPkL-DeE for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:09:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.2.100] (pool-71-178-218-117.washdc.fios.verizon.net [71.178.218.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48F57F2405F for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:10:27 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <4DA542A1.2030006@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:10:01 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <93AD2A8C-8B02-4A30-9686-C5E81A009635@vigilsec.com> References: <4DA542A1.2030006@gmail.com> To: EDU Team X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: Re: [edu-team] Fwd: 81st IETF Tutorials X-BeenThere: edu-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Education Team List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:10:03 -0000 >> What about asking Thomas Narten to do "Bringing New Work" again? > > Good idea. All the chit-chat about Bar BOFs suggests that this > is needed. This would be excellent and timely. Russ From narten@us.ibm.com Wed Apr 13 07:21:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: edu-team@ietfc.amsl.com Delivered-To: edu-team@ietfc.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B80E3E076E for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 07:21:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.812 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.812 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.787, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([208.66.40.236]) by localhost (ietfc.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id COrDM4w6GEg5 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 07:21:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from e4.ny.us.ibm.com (e4.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.144]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2342BE073E for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 07:21:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from d01dlp02.pok.ibm.com (d01dlp02.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.85]) by e4.ny.us.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p3DE10jF004461 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:01:02 -0400 Received: from d01relay03.pok.ibm.com (d01relay03.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.235]) by d01dlp02.pok.ibm.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EE976E803F for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from d01av01.pok.ibm.com (d01av01.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.215]) by d01relay03.pok.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v10.0) with ESMTP id p3DEL5pb329248 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:21:05 -0400 Received: from d01av01.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av01.pok.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.13.1/NCO v10.0 AVout) with ESMTP id p3DEL5hG014983 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:21:05 -0400 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (sig-9-65-250-36.mts.ibm.com [9.65.250.36]) by d01av01.pok.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.13.1/NCO v10.0 AVin) with ESMTP id p3DEL4CF014912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:21:04 -0400 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com [127.0.0.1]) by cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.12.5) with ESMTP id p3DEL37h008467; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:21:03 -0400 Message-Id: <201104131421.p3DEL37h008467@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> To: Russ Housley In-reply-to: <93AD2A8C-8B02-4A30-9686-C5E81A009635@vigilsec.com> References: <4DA542A1.2030006@gmail.com> <93AD2A8C-8B02-4A30-9686-C5E81A009635@vigilsec.com> Comments: In-reply-to Russ Housley message dated "Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:10:01 -0400." Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:21:03 -0400 From: Thomas Narten X-Content-Scanned: Fidelis XPS MAILER Cc: EDU Team Subject: Re: [edu-team] Fwd: 81st IETF Tutorials X-BeenThere: edu-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Education Team List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:21:10 -0000 So, given the discussion in Prague about making the IETF work better, I wonder if we should step back a bit, look at what we are doing and ask if there are things we could do differently or better. I wonder of the EDU effort is sort of coasting at this point, mainly doing presentations we have done before. Our charter (http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/group/edu/wiki/EduCharter) says: > The Education (EDU) Team manages the internal educational activities > of the IETF with the goal of improving the effectiveness of IETF > operations. We strive to improve the effectiveness of IETF leaders and > participants by offering training sessions and educational materials > that clarify their roles and responsibilities and prepare them to be > more effective in their roles. Then it lists "current activities", but the date on that list is 2006!!! Thomas From mir@ripe.net Wed Apr 13 07:45:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: edu-team@ietfc.amsl.com Delivered-To: edu-team@ietfc.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AAB6E079A for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 07:45:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.413 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.413 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.186, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([208.66.40.236]) by localhost (ietfc.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YoD7BG5iDhNb for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 07:45:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postlady.ripe.net (postlady.ipv6.ripe.net [IPv6:2001:67c:2e8:11::c100:1341]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7960DE0796 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 07:45:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dodo.ripe.net ([193.0.23.4]) by postlady.ripe.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QA1JW-0000KZ-Md; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 16:45:04 +0200 Received: from mkuhne.vpn.ripe.net ([193.0.21.105] helo=guest164.guestnet.ripe.net) by dodo.ripe.net with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QA1JW-00076m-Gp; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 16:45:02 +0200 Message-ID: <4DA5B6EE.4000406@ripe.net> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 16:45:02 +0200 From: Mirjam Kuehne User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Scott O. Bradner" References: <20110413140553.56BE7A66E91@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> In-Reply-To: <20110413140553.56BE7A66E91@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RIPE-Spam-Level: -- X-RIPE-Spam-Report: Spam Total Points: -2.9 points pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- ------------------------------------ -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-RIPE-Signature: 7e0932718cf60c1d07d29cd25dae92744cd40f3c97e333858ca7ce46b6ab9252 Cc: edu-team@ietf.org, margaretw42@gmail.com Subject: Re: [edu-team] Fwd: 81st IETF Tutorials X-BeenThere: edu-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Education Team List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:45:08 -0000 Excellent. Thank you, Scott. Mirjam Scott O. Bradner wrote: > I can do the newbee (again) if wanted > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > edu-team mailing list > edu-team@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team From brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com Wed Apr 13 08:20:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: edu-team@ietfc.amsl.com Delivered-To: edu-team@ietfc.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F2EAE07CF for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 08:20:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.766 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.766 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.167, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([208.66.40.236]) by localhost (ietfc.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j0sg3NwOIRFg for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 08:20:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f44.google.com (mail-ww0-f44.google.com [74.125.82.44]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8329EE07CE for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 08:20:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwa36 with SMTP id 36so570928wwa.13 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 08:20:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent :mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=UKyY3bZdr0d1JcYJjfGUwdJuoXpeB5SiNrNEmRYRNaA=; b=qpxAAccuCeCVcYHQYHcCOKIO7qJcC/NRIJCWUpWq7G/jd/uI/wLxN++fs6p6WNwsK8 dN6h6dW/TURCJeIsV6+5UzJPZUmG3Db2EOhrkLSSTOEBjz38j1DDlB7bAMkQRsCWVoGe agG0MvKk7I72X7OZHg02yZmCSr2UtceGXVc5Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=g1xrK6AU1TJQYSR8QEbKzugjeYFKd7al1vrPg4xKUmP62hEdnYkqTZ9DIp3HIRmden 2FAAg4AYotu0f485pcfQAlMopBuFm487ylR/flDiUnwKZg1cIeDp5ZPuHdZhE8cRXNQJ qpSUnpz7AXhT+4lJBqb6yYUj3JhG3x6ROGWCA= Received: by 10.227.139.90 with SMTP id d26mr1748713wbu.71.1302708051649; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 08:20:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.65] (host81-159-213-38.range81-159.btcentralplus.com [81.159.213.38]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p5sm404771wbg.62.2011.04.13.08.20.50 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 13 Apr 2011 08:20:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4DA5BF50.5020108@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 03:20:48 +1200 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Narten References: <4DA542A1.2030006@gmail.com> <93AD2A8C-8B02-4A30-9686-C5E81A009635@vigilsec.com> <201104131421.p3DEL37h008467@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> In-Reply-To: <201104131421.p3DEL37h008467@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: EDU Team Subject: Re: [edu-team] Fwd: 81st IETF Tutorials X-BeenThere: edu-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Education Team List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 15:20:53 -0000 I think that would be timely. Of course, we have to pick the topics for Quebec City rapidly, but it's a while since we reviewed things as a whole. In particular, it's easy enough to whistle up technical tutorials - we have lots of people willing and able - and harder to plan and present specific, non-handwaving tutorials about roles, responsibilities and procedures. "Bringing new work" is clearly part of that. So we need two separate discussions: what to teach in Quebec, and what is the strategy for the next couple of years? Regards Brian On 2011-04-14 02:21, Thomas Narten wrote: > So, given the discussion in Prague about making the IETF work better, > I wonder if we should step back a bit, look at what we are doing and > ask if there are things we could do differently or better. > > I wonder of the EDU effort is sort of coasting at this point, mainly > doing presentations we have done before. > > Our charter (http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/group/edu/wiki/EduCharter) > says: > >> The Education (EDU) Team manages the internal educational activities >> of the IETF with the goal of improving the effectiveness of IETF >> operations. We strive to improve the effectiveness of IETF leaders and >> participants by offering training sessions and educational materials >> that clarify their roles and responsibilities and prepare them to be >> more effective in their roles. > > Then it lists "current activities", but the date on that list is 2006!!! > > Thomas > _______________________________________________ > edu-team mailing list > edu-team@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team > From margaretw42@gmail.com Thu Apr 14 12:56:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: edu-team@ietfc.amsl.com Delivered-To: edu-team@ietfc.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEA4CE0681 for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 12:56:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.348 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.348 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.083, BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([208.66.40.236]) by localhost (ietfc.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LNiylJjJmFEt for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 12:56:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.suchdamage.org (permutation-city.suchdamage.org [69.25.196.28]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDAB6E067F for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 12:56:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.36.0.42] (pool-108-20-27-240.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [108.20.27.240]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mail.suchdamage.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6F4C220222; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 15:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <9133FB66-0852-4C70-B9BF-E23AD6A764F4@gmail.com> From: Margaret Wasserman To: Thomas Narten In-Reply-To: <201104131421.p3DEL37h008467@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 15:56:00 -0400 References: <4DA542A1.2030006@gmail.com> <93AD2A8C-8B02-4A30-9686-C5E81A009635@vigilsec.com> <201104131421.p3DEL37h008467@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Cc: EDU Team Subject: Re: [edu-team] Fwd: 81st IETF Tutorials X-BeenThere: edu-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Education Team List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:56:06 -0000 Interesting that you should mention this, as I was recently thinking the same thing... In the past, when we were looking for new direction and/or trying to figure out what was working and what wasn't, we've held an open meeting during a meeting slot at the IETF to get input from the community, discuss new ideas and find new interested folks to work with. Do you think we should do that again? Margaret On Apr 13, 2011, at 10:21 AM, Thomas Narten wrote: > So, given the discussion in Prague about making the IETF work better, > I wonder if we should step back a bit, look at what we are doing and > ask if there are things we could do differently or better. > > I wonder of the EDU effort is sort of coasting at this point, mainly > doing presentations we have done before. > > Our charter (http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/group/edu/wiki/EduCharter) > says: > >> The Education (EDU) Team manages the internal educational activities >> of the IETF with the goal of improving the effectiveness of IETF >> operations. We strive to improve the effectiveness of IETF leaders >> and >> participants by offering training sessions and educational materials >> that clarify their roles and responsibilities and prepare them to be >> more effective in their roles. > > Then it lists "current activities", but the date on that list is > 2006!!! > > Thomas > _______________________________________________ > edu-team mailing list > edu-team@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team From brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com Fri Apr 15 00:59:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: edu-team@ietfc.amsl.com Delivered-To: edu-team@ietfc.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CE58E0686 for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 00:59:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.766 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.766 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.167, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([208.66.40.236]) by localhost (ietfc.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qou9FzkNQWhC for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 00:59:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f172.google.com (mail-wy0-f172.google.com [74.125.82.172]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ACA8E06AB for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 00:59:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyb29 with SMTP id 29so2273824wyb.31 for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 00:59:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent :mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=xn+g1tclImYum+50uLDlHfc139SpSOlm3uKhiAXonr0=; b=P5cfEperBOo1/MX0qgMEwe3UjgZsHZP3E26svGAAqAV7aJidxlapd+P3DF8x5F0XDW r2xQ/7qMRRM58zlGlVw7/2UL3fZtK3QEBXnTDNQg6qfzPVpIeB/hhhYDEyck6APAttOT RPnvjsSvGN04C9hIasK9LIY367z8kehk60zAI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=pNG5qhuKSna6JIUZGv1BYKMAFVncusMUbf+L6G46Xl1VYPCynO96HzcqUTm4alnWTv ZGt+sdnLyik3VuAMBNZXPAuxyQP8SH3ADkL5y//3zfTNnKrKbmXB5CYvoGuQuEVo2oFo vpKRCOKeQNEhXJuseO3kW9lZtLDhpcHrUXkVM= Received: by 10.216.245.131 with SMTP id o3mr1605119wer.97.1302854380389; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 00:59:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.65] (host81-159-213-38.range81-159.btcentralplus.com [81.159.213.38]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t5sm1158534wes.33.2011.04.15.00.59.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 15 Apr 2011 00:59:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4DA7FAEA.6090609@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 19:59:38 +1200 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Margaret Wasserman References: <4DA542A1.2030006@gmail.com> <93AD2A8C-8B02-4A30-9686-C5E81A009635@vigilsec.com> <201104131421.p3DEL37h008467@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> <9133FB66-0852-4C70-B9BF-E23AD6A764F4@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9133FB66-0852-4C70-B9BF-E23AD6A764F4@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Thomas Narten , EDU Team Subject: Re: [edu-team] Fwd: 81st IETF Tutorials X-BeenThere: edu-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Education Team List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 07:59:42 -0000 On 2011-04-15 07:56, Margaret Wasserman wrote: > > Interesting that you should mention this, as I was recently thinking the > same thing... > > In the past, when we were looking for new direction and/or trying to > figure out what was working and what wasn't, we've held an open meeting > during a meeting slot at the IETF to get input from the community, > discuss new ideas and find new interested folks to work with. > > Do you think we should do that again? It certainly can do no harm, but maybe the first step should be to write a quick draft summarising the pattern of tutorials over the last few years and repeating the EDU team objectives from our charter. Then we could ask for input in advance of the open meeting. Brian > > Margaret > > On Apr 13, 2011, at 10:21 AM, Thomas Narten wrote: > >> So, given the discussion in Prague about making the IETF work better, >> I wonder if we should step back a bit, look at what we are doing and >> ask if there are things we could do differently or better. >> >> I wonder of the EDU effort is sort of coasting at this point, mainly >> doing presentations we have done before. >> >> Our charter (http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/group/edu/wiki/EduCharter) >> says: >> >>> The Education (EDU) Team manages the internal educational activities >>> of the IETF with the goal of improving the effectiveness of IETF >>> operations. We strive to improve the effectiveness of IETF leaders and >>> participants by offering training sessions and educational materials >>> that clarify their roles and responsibilities and prepare them to be >>> more effective in their roles. >> >> Then it lists "current activities", but the date on that list is 2006!!! >> >> Thomas >> _______________________________________________ >> edu-team mailing list >> edu-team@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team > > _______________________________________________ > edu-team mailing list > edu-team@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team > From margaretw42@gmail.com Fri Apr 15 07:24:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: edu-team@ietfc.amsl.com Delivered-To: edu-team@ietfc.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38FF2E0670 for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 07:24:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.321 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.321 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.055, BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([208.66.40.236]) by localhost (ietfc.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iNBFC3UKtnKR for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 07:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.suchdamage.org (permutation-city.suchdamage.org [69.25.196.28]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 464C0E066A for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 07:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.36.0.42] (pool-108-20-27-240.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [108.20.27.240]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mail.suchdamage.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9EBC72016B; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 10:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <81A80B8A-BCAE-4F25-9D5A-29E375C6EA05@gmail.com> From: Margaret Wasserman To: Brian E Carpenter In-Reply-To: <4DA7FAEA.6090609@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 10:24:37 -0400 References: <4DA542A1.2030006@gmail.com> <93AD2A8C-8B02-4A30-9686-C5E81A009635@vigilsec.com> <201104131421.p3DEL37h008467@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> <9133FB66-0852-4C70-B9BF-E23AD6A764F4@gmail.com> <4DA7FAEA.6090609@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Cc: Thomas Narten , EDU Team Subject: Re: [edu-team] Fwd: 81st IETF Tutorials X-BeenThere: edu-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Education Team List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 14:24:43 -0000 Maybe we could also consider a conference call (or two) amongst ourselves to discuss what we've been doing, what works and what doesn't, and how we think we could improve? The meetings at IETF meetings haven't been freeform. They have involved us (the EDU Team) presenting a plan (which I suppose we could do in an Internet-Draft -- that might be good, actually), getting feedback on the plan, and adjusting it in real-time based on feedback in the room. Margaret On Apr 15, 2011, at 3:59 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > On 2011-04-15 07:56, Margaret Wasserman wrote: >> >> Interesting that you should mention this, as I was recently >> thinking the >> same thing... >> >> In the past, when we were looking for new direction and/or trying to >> figure out what was working and what wasn't, we've held an open >> meeting >> during a meeting slot at the IETF to get input from the community, >> discuss new ideas and find new interested folks to work with. >> >> Do you think we should do that again? > > It certainly can do no harm, but maybe the first step should be to > write a quick draft summarising the pattern of tutorials over the > last few years and repeating the EDU team objectives from our > charter. Then we could ask for input in advance of the open meeting. > > Brian > >> >> Margaret >> >> On Apr 13, 2011, at 10:21 AM, Thomas Narten wrote: >> >>> So, given the discussion in Prague about making the IETF work >>> better, >>> I wonder if we should step back a bit, look at what we are doing and >>> ask if there are things we could do differently or better. >>> >>> I wonder of the EDU effort is sort of coasting at this point, mainly >>> doing presentations we have done before. >>> >>> Our charter (http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/group/edu/wiki/EduCharter) >>> says: >>> >>>> The Education (EDU) Team manages the internal educational >>>> activities >>>> of the IETF with the goal of improving the effectiveness of IETF >>>> operations. We strive to improve the effectiveness of IETF >>>> leaders and >>>> participants by offering training sessions and educational >>>> materials >>>> that clarify their roles and responsibilities and prepare them to >>>> be >>>> more effective in their roles. >>> >>> Then it lists "current activities", but the date on that list is >>> 2006!!! >>> >>> Thomas >>> _______________________________________________ >>> edu-team mailing list >>> edu-team@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team >> >> _______________________________________________ >> edu-team mailing list >> edu-team@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team >> From radiaperlman@gmail.com Fri Apr 15 09:44:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: edu-team@ietfc.amsl.com Delivered-To: edu-team@ietfc.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D74213003A for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 09:44:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.200, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([208.66.40.236]) by localhost (ietfc.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3LKg0ft-VJ3s for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 09:44:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2097130025 for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 09:44:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iye19 with SMTP id 19so3061875iye.31 for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 09:44:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=D2ZtPyrI25DggyC4yoePenxcS0Kj4a63YLr2rdvU2Lc=; b=UDQZFWljatswjKjlYWA5jH3/zmXLq1QzQjpRBoOsdMJ4rnFCuaJpAKa4GRo9+qLaSZ /TpIvt5Jh6wCgywENnf3m+4ymO2pG4njtYWN2UvFKFs1jX+I54wRlJ5u+B8ljLtk9ggq yG3PnoaT2NpFwSb9afB0pmfV/4hXovWGcoVuk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=FOgD/R4YQdykMnGrREgXDGPxUuoq04KsWOgfgV0ynYeyhHBkTUulX8kRCQGKAgjGaR eENh5ioU3baX6rPwWuPN8yBTkLsDie3pek8w3ZW98hQrqIe/9xQgNrpjFTAwdGlcqzKO TFU+shmhMLOxyVq1kL8S/3i5WVv8pIQUGrW5k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.99.133 with SMTP id w5mr2997121icn.437.1302885867650; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 09:44:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.115.70 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 09:44:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <81A80B8A-BCAE-4F25-9D5A-29E375C6EA05@gmail.com> References: <4DA542A1.2030006@gmail.com> <93AD2A8C-8B02-4A30-9686-C5E81A009635@vigilsec.com> <201104131421.p3DEL37h008467@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> <9133FB66-0852-4C70-B9BF-E23AD6A764F4@gmail.com> <4DA7FAEA.6090609@gmail.com> <81A80B8A-BCAE-4F25-9D5A-29E375C6EA05@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 09:44:27 -0700 Message-ID: From: Radia Perlman To: Margaret Wasserman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Thomas Narten , EDU Team Subject: Re: [edu-team] Fwd: 81st IETF Tutorials X-BeenThere: edu-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Education Team List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 16:44:33 -0000 I suspect there are a lot of people who would never speak up in a room. Perhaps we can invite people to send suggestions about tutorials they'd like to see, and feedback on tutorials they have seen (ranging from "great, wouldn't change a thing", to "I wish they'd also covered XX", to "I don't think it was that useful"). Radia On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Margaret Wasserman wrote: > > Maybe we could also consider a conference call (or two) amongst ourselves= to > discuss what we've been doing, what works and what doesn't, and how we th= ink > we could improve? > > The meetings at IETF meetings haven't been freeform. =A0They have involve= d us > (the EDU Team) =A0presenting a plan (which I suppose we could do in an > Internet-Draft -- that might be good, actually), getting feedback on the > plan, and adjusting it in real-time based on feedback in the room. > > Margaret > > On Apr 15, 2011, at 3:59 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > >> On 2011-04-15 07:56, Margaret Wasserman wrote: >>> >>> Interesting that you should mention this, as I was recently thinking th= e >>> same thing... >>> >>> In the past, when we were looking for new direction and/or trying to >>> figure out what was working and what wasn't, we've held an open meeting >>> during a meeting slot at the IETF to get input from the community, >>> discuss new ideas and find new interested folks to work with. >>> >>> Do you think we should do that again? >> >> It certainly can do no harm, but maybe the first step should be to >> write a quick draft summarising the pattern of tutorials over the >> last few years and repeating the EDU team objectives from our >> charter. Then we could ask for input in advance of the open meeting. >> >> =A0Brian >> >>> >>> Margaret >>> >>> On Apr 13, 2011, at 10:21 AM, Thomas Narten wrote: >>> >>>> So, given the discussion in Prague about =A0making the IETF work bette= r, >>>> I wonder if we should step back a bit, look at what we are doing and >>>> ask if there are things we could do differently or better. >>>> >>>> I wonder of the EDU effort is sort of coasting at this point, mainly >>>> doing presentations we have done before. >>>> >>>> Our charter (http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/group/edu/wiki/EduCharter) >>>> says: >>>> >>>>> The Education (EDU) Team manages the internal educational activities >>>>> of the IETF with the goal of improving the effectiveness of IETF >>>>> operations. We strive to improve the effectiveness of IETF leaders an= d >>>>> participants by offering training sessions and educational materials >>>>> that clarify their roles and responsibilities and prepare them to be >>>>> more effective in their roles. >>>> >>>> Then it lists "current activities", but the date on that list is 2006!= !! >>>> >>>> Thomas >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> edu-team mailing list >>>> edu-team@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> edu-team mailing list >>> edu-team@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team >>> > > _______________________________________________ > edu-team mailing list > edu-team@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team > From margaretw42@gmail.com Fri Apr 15 11:55:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: edu-team@ietfc.amsl.com Delivered-To: edu-team@ietfc.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA000E06B0 for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 11:55:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.307 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.307 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.042, BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([208.66.40.236]) by localhost (ietfc.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kocAlcw4VEBh for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 11:55:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.suchdamage.org (permutation-city.suchdamage.org [69.25.196.28]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C22AE0688 for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 11:55:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.36.0.42] (pool-108-20-27-240.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [108.20.27.240]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mail.suchdamage.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F2D65203A1; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 14:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <8A30C976-D737-49BF-A78F-A9363EDA44BE@gmail.com> From: Margaret Wasserman To: Radia Perlman In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 14:55:44 -0400 References: <4DA542A1.2030006@gmail.com> <93AD2A8C-8B02-4A30-9686-C5E81A009635@vigilsec.com> <201104131421.p3DEL37h008467@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> <9133FB66-0852-4C70-B9BF-E23AD6A764F4@gmail.com> <4DA7FAEA.6090609@gmail.com> <81A80B8A-BCAE-4F25-9D5A-29E375C6EA05@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Cc: Thomas Narten , EDU Team Subject: Re: [edu-team] Fwd: 81st IETF Tutorials X-BeenThere: edu-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Education Team List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 18:55:46 -0000 On Apr 15, 2011, at 12:44 PM, Radia Perlman wrote: > I suspect there are a lot of people who would never speak up in a > room. When we've held these meetings in the past, quite a few people did speak up. We got good feedback and a number of productive suggestions. At least at one point in the past, we were planning to have open meetings once every two years or so... > Perhaps we can invite people to send suggestions about > tutorials they'd like to see, and feedback on tutorials they have seen > (ranging from "great, wouldn't change a thing", to "I wish they'd also > covered XX", to "I don't think it was that useful"). Why not do both? Margaret From avri@acm.org Thu Apr 21 21:47:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: edu-team@ietfc.amsl.com Delivered-To: edu-team@ietfc.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F330BE06C5 for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 21:47:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.288 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.288 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HOST_MISMATCH_COM=0.311, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([208.66.40.236]) by localhost (ietfc.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y6vR3-bonH3b for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 21:47:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBED8E064E for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 21:47:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.75 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1QD8HZ-00069p-Iv for edu-team@ietf.org; Fri, 22 Apr 2011 04:47:54 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: Avri Doria In-Reply-To: <9133FB66-0852-4C70-B9BF-E23AD6A764F4@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 06:47:52 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8F1D19D0-86B9-4ABF-86A7-DFC1B3F80C9E@acm.org> References: <4DA542A1.2030006@gmail.com> <93AD2A8C-8B02-4A30-9686-C5E81A009635@vigilsec.com> <201104131421.p3DEL37h008467@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> <9133FB66-0852-4C70-B9BF-E23AD6A764F4@gmail.com> To: EDU Team X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: Re: [edu-team] Fwd: 81st IETF Tutorials X-BeenThere: edu-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Education Team List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 04:47:57 -0000 Hi, I have not been active in years, but do read this list. I think having = a meeting in Ottawa, and the idea of a draft for discussion is a good = one. I even hope I have the funding to make it to Ottawa. a. On 14 Apr 2011, at 21:56, Margaret Wasserman wrote: >=20 > Interesting that you should mention this, as I was recently thinking = the same thing... >=20 > In the past, when we were looking for new direction and/or trying to = figure out what was working and what wasn't, we've held an open meeting = during a meeting slot at the IETF to get input from the community, = discuss new ideas and find new interested folks to work with. >=20 > Do you think we should do that again? >=20 > Margaret >=20 > On Apr 13, 2011, at 10:21 AM, Thomas Narten wrote: >=20 >> So, given the discussion in Prague about making the IETF work = better, >> I wonder if we should step back a bit, look at what we are doing and >> ask if there are things we could do differently or better. >>=20 >> I wonder of the EDU effort is sort of coasting at this point, mainly >> doing presentations we have done before. >>=20 >> Our charter (http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/group/edu/wiki/EduCharter) >> says: >>=20 >>> The Education (EDU) Team manages the internal educational activities >>> of the IETF with the goal of improving the effectiveness of IETF >>> operations. We strive to improve the effectiveness of IETF leaders = and >>> participants by offering training sessions and educational materials >>> that clarify their roles and responsibilities and prepare them to be >>> more effective in their roles. >>=20 >> Then it lists "current activities", but the date on that list is = 2006!!! >>=20 >> Thomas >> _______________________________________________ >> edu-team mailing list >> edu-team@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team >=20 > _______________________________________________ > edu-team mailing list > edu-team@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team From mir@ripe.net Tue Apr 26 00:40:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: edu-team@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: edu-team@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 926B3E0711 for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 00:40:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.367 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.367 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.232, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Jb5E08yVmqNz for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 00:40:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postgirl.ripe.net (postgirl.ipv6.ripe.net [IPv6:2001:67c:2e8:11::c100:1342]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24ACDE0701 for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 00:40:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ayeaye.ripe.net ([193.0.23.5]) by postgirl.ripe.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QEcsU-00006n-KS; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 09:40:12 +0200 Received: from mkuhne.vpn.ripe.net ([193.0.21.105] helo=guest164.guestnet.ripe.net) by ayeaye.ripe.net with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QEcsU-0001rh-1m; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 09:40:10 +0200 Message-ID: <4DB676D9.9010403@ripe.net> Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 09:40:09 +0200 From: Mirjam Kuehne User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Margaret Wasserman References: <4DA554F0.8060209@ripe.net> In-Reply-To: <4DA554F0.8060209@ripe.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RIPE-Spam-Level: -- X-RIPE-Spam-Report: Spam Total Points: -2.9 points pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- ------------------------------------ -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0006] X-RIPE-Signature: 7e0932718cf60c1d07d29cd25dae92745d8fc2d4a527eb44316796e38bd0228a Cc: EDU Team Subject: Re: [edu-team] Fwd: 81st IETF Tutorials X-BeenThere: edu-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Education Team List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 07:40:16 -0000 Hi all, Looks like most people like the idea to organise an edu-team meeting in Quebec or another way to gather more community feedback. For now, we need to decide pretty quickly which tutorials we want to offer at IETF 81, because the secretariat wants to open registration today! So far I've seen the following suggestions: 1. Newcomers (Scott, confirmed) 2. WG Leadership (Margaret, confirmed) 3. Tools for Creating Internet-Drafts (Alice, confirmed) 4. Bringing new work to the IETF (Thomas?) 5. MPLS (Radia?) If Thomas agrees to do 'Bringing New Work into the IETF', we have four process-oriented tutorials, but having listened to the discussion at the plenary in Prague, maybe that's what's needed? Regards, Mirjam Mirjam Kuehne wrote: > Hi, > > So, we have the following so far: > > Newcomers (Scott?) > > WG Leadership (Margaret) > > Bringing new work to the IETF (Thomas Narten) > - Thomas, would you be willing to do this in Quebec? > > Then we need at least one more: Maybe one on MPLS as suggested by Radia? > Who could we ask to tech this? > > Or do we want to offer 'Intro to xml2rfc' once more? Alice? > > Mirjam > > Margaret Wasserman wrote: >> >> So, what tutorials do we want to do this time? >> >> I was thinking I might update the WG Leadership tutorial again, based >> on experience last time, and do it again. >> >> What other tutorials were done last time that should be repeated? >> >> What about asking Thomas Narten to do "Bringing New Work" again? >> Margaret >> >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >>> *From: *Wanda Lo > >>> *Date: *April 12, 2011 8:03:43 PM EDT >>> *To: *Mirjam Kuehne >, Margaret >>> Wasserman > >>> *Cc: *Beaulieu Marcia > >>> *Subject: **81st IETF Tutorials* >>> >>> Hello Ladies, >>> >>> We are planning to open registration for IETF 81 - Quebec on the 26th >>> of April and would like to get all the tutorials' information ready. >>> Please send as soon as you can so we can include it in the >>> registration system. If you have any questions, please let me know. >>> >>> >>> Thanks so much! >>> Wanda >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> =========================== >>> Wanda Lo >>> Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) >>> 48377 Fremont Blvd., Ste. 117 Fremont, California 94538 / USA >>> +1-510-492-4082 +1-510-492-4001 (fax) _www.ietf.org >>> _ >>> >>> /--/// >>> Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) >>> Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning >>> www.amsl.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> edu-team mailing list >> edu-team@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team > > From radiaperlman@gmail.com Tue Apr 26 09:43:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: edu-team@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: edu-team@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E82A3E076E for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 09:43:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.500, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TS3vnJTI8BJj for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 09:43:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2076DE0760 for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 09:43:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iyn15 with SMTP id 15so857448iyn.31 for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 09:43:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=SuYA1UlqGdHnfQay9iCMgCx664D7td258ylXmrllCF0=; b=VC/zS/z3JnL02ypml7/IghdN2JGcw7TAisZHUAaHqDIW8UUudByOOHOc0B9SvEq/pr wG2JGvFefImNCWlANuJaKlK+jhwihWb8BCgkESJvhggawxmwVFNcmK1QnOCs0LIG/awn 14Fq5Qy00CvtXq0OLV9lJJQCMgbGQpbyKX7zk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=UOMGUUt4f6nU6ymakc9RPkaFvrshjeZcIiWd3lcp6KE2iDrLPbiZE6gxn3WyiTv9Vg ZeY/Z8DB3EJuix6UeqK6Bs+80MclxB2pIjdJhX+GkYma2hY/Y1IRsgkdCG41EMwx1FBn 2ODLdo6ClX6aaYOqMB3AAmzVDyj5IVDIqFBUo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.99.133 with SMTP id w5mr1188287icn.437.1303836233387; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 09:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.225.7 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 09:43:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4DB676D9.9010403@ripe.net> References: <4DA554F0.8060209@ripe.net> <4DB676D9.9010403@ripe.net> Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 09:43:53 -0700 Message-ID: From: Radia Perlman To: Mirjam Kuehne Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: EDU Team , Margaret Wasserman Subject: Re: [edu-team] Fwd: 81st IETF Tutorials X-BeenThere: edu-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Education Team List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:43:55 -0000 Although I was suggesting MPLS might be a good topic because it seems to be mystifyingly complex, I wasn't volunteering to do that one. I'm always ready and happy to do a more general overview of layers 2 and 3 (including MPLS and routing protocols), or one on security, but I wouldn't want to do one focused just on MPLS. If we really wanted someone to do that, perhaps we could send email to the MPLS working group asking for a volunteer. I'm also happy to work with someone who is preparing a new tutorial, to help them make it comprehensible, and to ask them a bunch of questions that I think someone would want to learn from such a thing, to make sure that content was included. I wish I hadn't lost the piece of paper on which I jotted down the name of the person enthusiastic about doing a wireless tutorial. Radia On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 12:40 AM, Mirjam Kuehne wrote: > Hi all, > > Looks like most people like the idea to organise an edu-team meeting in > Quebec or another way to gather more community feedback. > > For now, we need to decide pretty quickly which tutorials we want to offe= r > at IETF 81, because the secretariat wants to open registration today! So = far > I've seen the following suggestions: > > > 1. Newcomers (Scott, confirmed) > > 2. WG Leadership (Margaret, confirmed) > > 3. Tools for Creating Internet-Drafts (Alice, confirmed) > > 4. Bringing new work to the IETF (Thomas?) > > 5. MPLS (Radia?) > > If Thomas agrees to do 'Bringing New Work into the IETF', we have four > process-oriented tutorials, but having listened to the discussion at the > plenary in Prague, maybe that's what's needed? > > Regards, > Mirjam > > Mirjam Kuehne wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> So, we have the following so far: >> >> Newcomers (Scott?) >> >> WG Leadership (Margaret) >> >> Bringing new work to the IETF (Thomas Narten) >> - Thomas, would you be willing to do this in Quebec? >> >> Then we need at least one more: Maybe one on MPLS as suggested by Radia? >> Who could we ask to tech this? >> >> Or do we want to offer 'Intro to xml2rfc' once more? Alice? >> >> Mirjam >> >> Margaret Wasserman wrote: >>> >>> So, what tutorials do we want to do this time? >>> >>> I was thinking I might update the WG Leadership tutorial again, based o= n >>> experience last time, and do it again. >>> >>> What other tutorials were done last time that should be repeated? >>> >>> What about asking Thomas Narten to do "Bringing New Work" again? >>> Margaret >>> >>> >>> Begin forwarded message: >>> >>>> *From: *Wanda Lo > >>>> *Date: *April 12, 2011 8:03:43 PM EDT >>>> *To: *Mirjam Kuehne >, Margaret >>>> Wasserman > >>>> *Cc: *Beaulieu Marcia > >>>> *Subject: **81st IETF Tutorials* >>>> >>>> Hello Ladies, >>>> >>>> We are planning to open registration for IETF 81 - Quebec on the 26th = of >>>> April and would like to get all the tutorials' information ready. =A0P= lease >>>> send as soon as you can so we can include it in the registration syste= m. =A0If >>>> you have any questions, please let me know. >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks so much! >>>> Wanda >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D >>>> Wanda Lo >>>> Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) >>>> 48377 Fremont Blvd., Ste. 117 Fremont, California 94538 / USA >>>> +1-510-492-4082 +1-510-492-4001 (fax) _www.ietf.org _ >>>> =A0/--/// >>>> Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) >>>> Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning >>>> www.amsl.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------= - >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> edu-team mailing list >>> edu-team@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > edu-team mailing list > edu-team@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team > From brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com Tue Apr 26 14:11:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: edu-team@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: edu-team@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5CDAE0829 for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:11:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.983 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.983 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.616, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y+ujJn4Om1bv for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:11:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pz0-f44.google.com (mail-pz0-f44.google.com [209.85.210.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7C96E076F for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pzk5 with SMTP id 5so718834pzk.31 for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:11:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent :mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Vg7mjc84uO/RftqeIMSn/QO/lyoFqUFlTx2DbfqRRL0=; b=tEy9nvpQD3xA4PjBb7OiweJ6wmZhLnkLN4BT9Y3cgrx93OJ9A4H0ALTeFkxwORiZdw ejzU3NsfOgspwIYeybX7TpFksZYAx6yYdPGFcpJ0AnhfX2PUHk0WQ+jtOgpFYsS2mhFo gxOcsnJkqBN8j8qLqqrGv/McBkRds+XdIuUFo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=n4z2PinK6R7HmpizwiMAhn1aSqA8EyhGxutQjfRbeHaQN2m5NvL6pM+G7gJVvVTWkW 0IwSM/Yw52SuSlgB0BQf+YxJr5yH42q6w90EjPpTehdK1VcCk74zmI+A4NWFR7R3pX+P IsiF3s2afB9v6SVY74pyfuMGuh47pklKe5DH4= Received: by 10.68.39.40 with SMTP id m8mr1395728pbk.258.1303852274505; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.216.38.124] (stf-brian.sfac.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.38.124]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u9sm76707pbh.26.2011.04.26.14.11.11 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:11:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4DB734ED.4080400@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 09:11:09 +1200 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mirjam Kuehne References: <4DA554F0.8060209@ripe.net> <4DB676D9.9010403@ripe.net> In-Reply-To: <4DB676D9.9010403@ripe.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: EDU Team , Margaret Wasserman Subject: Re: [edu-team] Fwd: 81st IETF Tutorials X-BeenThere: edu-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Education Team List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 21:11:20 -0000 1-4 look fine to me, and given our primary mission is to make the IETF work better, I see no failure if there is no technical tutorial this time. I'd say - even if Thomas can't confirm, 'Bringing new work' should be listed. Somebody will be able to teach it! (Unfortunately I can't volunteer, as I know I will not be in QC). Brian On 2011-04-26 19:40, Mirjam Kuehne wrote: > Hi all, > > Looks like most people like the idea to organise an edu-team meeting in > Quebec or another way to gather more community feedback. > > For now, we need to decide pretty quickly which tutorials we want to > offer at IETF 81, because the secretariat wants to open registration > today! So far I've seen the following suggestions: > > > 1. Newcomers (Scott, confirmed) > > 2. WG Leadership (Margaret, confirmed) > > 3. Tools for Creating Internet-Drafts (Alice, confirmed) > > 4. Bringing new work to the IETF (Thomas?) > > 5. MPLS (Radia?) > > If Thomas agrees to do 'Bringing New Work into the IETF', we have four > process-oriented tutorials, but having listened to the discussion at the > plenary in Prague, maybe that's what's needed? > > Regards, > Mirjam > > Mirjam Kuehne wrote: >> Hi, >> >> So, we have the following so far: >> >> Newcomers (Scott?) >> >> WG Leadership (Margaret) >> >> Bringing new work to the IETF (Thomas Narten) >> - Thomas, would you be willing to do this in Quebec? >> >> Then we need at least one more: Maybe one on MPLS as suggested by >> Radia? Who could we ask to tech this? >> >> Or do we want to offer 'Intro to xml2rfc' once more? Alice? >> >> Mirjam >> >> Margaret Wasserman wrote: >>> >>> So, what tutorials do we want to do this time? >>> >>> I was thinking I might update the WG Leadership tutorial again, based >>> on experience last time, and do it again. >>> >>> What other tutorials were done last time that should be repeated? >>> >>> What about asking Thomas Narten to do "Bringing New Work" again? >>> Margaret >>> >>> >>> Begin forwarded message: >>> >>>> *From: *Wanda Lo > >>>> *Date: *April 12, 2011 8:03:43 PM EDT >>>> *To: *Mirjam Kuehne >, Margaret >>>> Wasserman > >>>> *Cc: *Beaulieu Marcia > >>>> *Subject: **81st IETF Tutorials* >>>> >>>> Hello Ladies, >>>> >>>> We are planning to open registration for IETF 81 - Quebec on the >>>> 26th of April and would like to get all the tutorials' information >>>> ready. Please send as soon as you can so we can include it in the >>>> registration system. If you have any questions, please let me know. >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks so much! >>>> Wanda >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> =========================== >>>> Wanda Lo >>>> Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) >>>> 48377 Fremont Blvd., Ste. 117 Fremont, California 94538 / USA >>>> +1-510-492-4082 +1-510-492-4001 (fax) _www.ietf.org >>>> _ >>>> >>>> /--/// >>>> Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) >>>> Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning >>>> www.amsl.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> edu-team mailing list >>> edu-team@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > edu-team mailing list > edu-team@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team > From mir@ripe.net Wed Apr 27 08:12:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: edu-team@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: edu-team@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27978E0733 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 08:12:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.413 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.413 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.186, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id syg-0FGASSpg for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 08:12:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postgirl.ripe.net (postgirl.ipv6.ripe.net [IPv6:2001:67c:2e8:11::c100:1342]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1394BE06EC for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 08:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ayeaye.ripe.net ([193.0.23.5]) by postgirl.ripe.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QF6PK-0007ZP-Nm; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:12:04 +0200 Received: from mkuhne.vpn.ripe.net ([193.0.21.105] helo=guest164.guestnet.ripe.net) by ayeaye.ripe.net with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QF6PK-0008Oj-0g; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:12:02 +0200 Message-ID: <4DB83241.8010205@ripe.net> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:12:01 +0200 From: Mirjam Kuehne User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian E Carpenter References: <4DA554F0.8060209@ripe.net> <4DB676D9.9010403@ripe.net> <4DB734ED.4080400@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4DB734ED.4080400@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RIPE-Spam-Level: -- X-RIPE-Spam-Report: Spam Total Points: -2.9 points pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- ------------------------------------ -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-RIPE-Signature: 7e0932718cf60c1d07d29cd25dae92740422f13313318bfb8db72530ef7826ac Cc: EDU Team , Margaret Wasserman Subject: Re: [edu-team] Fwd: 81st IETF Tutorials X-BeenThere: edu-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Education Team List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 15:12:09 -0000 Thanks, Brian. If there are no objections, I will pass 1 - 4 on to the secretariat, so they can include the tutorials when they open registrations. Mirjam Brian E Carpenter wrote: > 1-4 look fine to me, and given our primary mission is to make the > IETF work better, I see no failure if there is no technical > tutorial this time. > > I'd say - even if Thomas can't confirm, 'Bringing new work' > should be listed. Somebody will be able to teach it! > (Unfortunately I can't volunteer, as I know I will not be > in QC). > > Brian > > On 2011-04-26 19:40, Mirjam Kuehne wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Looks like most people like the idea to organise an edu-team meeting in >> Quebec or another way to gather more community feedback. >> >> For now, we need to decide pretty quickly which tutorials we want to >> offer at IETF 81, because the secretariat wants to open registration >> today! So far I've seen the following suggestions: >> >> >> 1. Newcomers (Scott, confirmed) >> >> 2. WG Leadership (Margaret, confirmed) >> >> 3. Tools for Creating Internet-Drafts (Alice, confirmed) >> >> 4. Bringing new work to the IETF (Thomas?) >> >> 5. MPLS (Radia?) >> >> If Thomas agrees to do 'Bringing New Work into the IETF', we have four >> process-oriented tutorials, but having listened to the discussion at the >> plenary in Prague, maybe that's what's needed? >> >> Regards, >> Mirjam >> >> Mirjam Kuehne wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> So, we have the following so far: >>> >>> Newcomers (Scott?) >>> >>> WG Leadership (Margaret) >>> >>> Bringing new work to the IETF (Thomas Narten) >>> - Thomas, would you be willing to do this in Quebec? >>> >>> Then we need at least one more: Maybe one on MPLS as suggested by >>> Radia? Who could we ask to tech this? >>> >>> Or do we want to offer 'Intro to xml2rfc' once more? Alice? >>> >>> Mirjam >>> >>> Margaret Wasserman wrote: >>>> So, what tutorials do we want to do this time? >>>> >>>> I was thinking I might update the WG Leadership tutorial again, based >>>> on experience last time, and do it again. >>>> >>>> What other tutorials were done last time that should be repeated? >>>> >>>> What about asking Thomas Narten to do "Bringing New Work" again? >>>> Margaret >>>> >>>> >>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>> >>>>> *From: *Wanda Lo > >>>>> *Date: *April 12, 2011 8:03:43 PM EDT >>>>> *To: *Mirjam Kuehne >, Margaret >>>>> Wasserman > >>>>> *Cc: *Beaulieu Marcia > >>>>> *Subject: **81st IETF Tutorials* >>>>> >>>>> Hello Ladies, >>>>> >>>>> We are planning to open registration for IETF 81 - Quebec on the >>>>> 26th of April and would like to get all the tutorials' information >>>>> ready. Please send as soon as you can so we can include it in the >>>>> registration system. If you have any questions, please let me know. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks so much! >>>>> Wanda >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> =========================== >>>>> Wanda Lo >>>>> Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) >>>>> 48377 Fremont Blvd., Ste. 117 Fremont, California 94538 / USA >>>>> +1-510-492-4082 +1-510-492-4001 (fax) _www.ietf.org >>>>> _ >>>>> >>>>> /--/// >>>>> Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) >>>>> Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning >>>>> www.amsl.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> edu-team mailing list >>>> edu-team@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> edu-team mailing list >> edu-team@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team >> From mir@ripe.net Thu Apr 28 01:34:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: edu-team@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: edu-team@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EABAE06D4 for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 01:34:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.444 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.444 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.155, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v5FIVS-IGrAa for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 01:34:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postlady.ripe.net (postlady.ipv6.ripe.net [IPv6:2001:67c:2e8:11::c100:1341]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91D58E062A for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 01:34:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ayeaye.ripe.net ([193.0.23.5]) by postlady.ripe.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QFMfc-0006oH-N0; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 10:33:58 +0200 Received: from mkuhne.vpn.ripe.net ([193.0.21.105] helo=guest164.guestnet.ripe.net) by ayeaye.ripe.net with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QFMfc-0005OM-Jw; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 10:33:56 +0200 Message-ID: <4DB92674.7010700@ripe.net> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 10:33:56 +0200 From: Mirjam Kuehne User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Radia Perlman References: <4DA554F0.8060209@ripe.net> <4DB676D9.9010403@ripe.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RIPE-Spam-Level: -- X-RIPE-Spam-Report: Spam Total Points: -2.9 points pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- ------------------------------------ -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-RIPE-Signature: 7e0932718cf60c1d07d29cd25dae9274fbff58d8da7b7f2a19c232b5a063a19c Cc: EDU Team , Margaret Wasserman Subject: Re: [edu-team] Fwd: 81st IETF Tutorials X-BeenThere: edu-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Education Team List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:34:06 -0000 Hi Radia, Thanks for clarifying. I understood that you didn't actually wanted to give that tutorial, I just included you as a contact person. We have now submitted the other four tutorials for the secretariat for IETF 81. That will hopefully give us some time to put together a tutorial on MPLS for IETF 82. And thank you for offering to help with that. Would you like to send mail to the MPLS WG list? Maybe others on the Edu team have a suggestion? Unfortunately I don't really know anyone in that area. Mirjam Radia Perlman wrote: > Although I was suggesting MPLS might be a good topic because it seems > to be mystifyingly complex, I wasn't volunteering to do that one. I'm > always ready and happy to do a more general overview of layers 2 and 3 > (including MPLS and routing protocols), or one on security, but I > wouldn't want to do one focused just on MPLS. If we really wanted > someone to do that, perhaps we could send email to the MPLS working > group asking for a volunteer. > > I'm also happy to work with someone who is preparing a new tutorial, > to help them make it comprehensible, and to ask them a bunch of > questions that I think someone would want to learn from such a thing, > to make sure that content was included. > > I wish I hadn't lost the piece of paper on which I jotted down the > name of the person enthusiastic about doing a wireless tutorial. > > Radia > > > On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 12:40 AM, Mirjam Kuehne wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Looks like most people like the idea to organise an edu-team meeting in >> Quebec or another way to gather more community feedback. >> >> For now, we need to decide pretty quickly which tutorials we want to offer >> at IETF 81, because the secretariat wants to open registration today! So far >> I've seen the following suggestions: >> >> >> 1. Newcomers (Scott, confirmed) >> >> 2. WG Leadership (Margaret, confirmed) >> >> 3. Tools for Creating Internet-Drafts (Alice, confirmed) >> >> 4. Bringing new work to the IETF (Thomas?) >> >> 5. MPLS (Radia?) >> >> If Thomas agrees to do 'Bringing New Work into the IETF', we have four >> process-oriented tutorials, but having listened to the discussion at the >> plenary in Prague, maybe that's what's needed? >> >> Regards, >> Mirjam >> >> Mirjam Kuehne wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> So, we have the following so far: >>> >>> Newcomers (Scott?) >>> >>> WG Leadership (Margaret) >>> >>> Bringing new work to the IETF (Thomas Narten) >>> - Thomas, would you be willing to do this in Quebec? >>> >>> Then we need at least one more: Maybe one on MPLS as suggested by Radia? >>> Who could we ask to tech this? >>> >>> Or do we want to offer 'Intro to xml2rfc' once more? Alice? >>> >>> Mirjam >>> >>> Margaret Wasserman wrote: >>>> So, what tutorials do we want to do this time? >>>> >>>> I was thinking I might update the WG Leadership tutorial again, based on >>>> experience last time, and do it again. >>>> >>>> What other tutorials were done last time that should be repeated? >>>> >>>> What about asking Thomas Narten to do "Bringing New Work" again? >>>> Margaret >>>> >>>> >>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>> >>>>> *From: *Wanda Lo > >>>>> *Date: *April 12, 2011 8:03:43 PM EDT >>>>> *To: *Mirjam Kuehne >, Margaret >>>>> Wasserman > >>>>> *Cc: *Beaulieu Marcia > >>>>> *Subject: **81st IETF Tutorials* >>>>> >>>>> Hello Ladies, >>>>> >>>>> We are planning to open registration for IETF 81 - Quebec on the 26th of >>>>> April and would like to get all the tutorials' information ready. Please >>>>> send as soon as you can so we can include it in the registration system. If >>>>> you have any questions, please let me know. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks so much! >>>>> Wanda >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> =========================== >>>>> Wanda Lo >>>>> Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) >>>>> 48377 Fremont Blvd., Ste. 117 Fremont, California 94538 / USA >>>>> +1-510-492-4082 +1-510-492-4001 (fax) _www.ietf.org _ >>>>> /--/// >>>>> Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) >>>>> Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning >>>>> www.amsl.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> edu-team mailing list >>>> edu-team@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> edu-team mailing list >> edu-team@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team >> From radiaperlman@gmail.com Thu Apr 28 08:58:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: edu-team@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: edu-team@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44463E0685 for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:58:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.349 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.349 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.250, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jtVG2MlPJy5Y for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:58:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f172.google.com (mail-iw0-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B5B2E0670 for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:58:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so3020458iwn.31 for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:58:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=OIcZfzAUbgnitYwD7ghwKxuo9b9OrCIrqzSYHsy2hhM=; b=muxzP5yxZNDExG6HGqsnvkWGibex16WlGbUNzx0BEOfy+ezivsSLUtpxhJtILDBjgR oMqPLZdhSCrjaltaDRFJv4uzTpqx/+DG8HTx6P0a1bmGT0Fsky+TJRqbYlZG/JfU/s63 B1jyblY2XXKD/qbmklPL2FoXHpdjhujIgRgck= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=PN564+wfbP6gOyFwZ+kJ2H/6YQSKPN1r6FqT21YJcwdNKNBu36UvL9l/8tUvjj+SHb uvGDGAqmTz8tVyewq9gzzxDcLcgPe/yjuK2S+cKcSDGP88zEG+SLttn+kRrzzWKCDVUy Gg4Dst/w23iQ89yNb6UuZYNQhmXuyaHI6CS8w= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.158.74 with SMTP id g10mr4614480icx.324.1304006333597; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:58:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.217.5 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:58:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4DB92674.7010700@ripe.net> References: <4DA554F0.8060209@ripe.net> <4DB676D9.9010403@ripe.net> <4DB92674.7010700@ripe.net> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:58:53 -0700 Message-ID: From: Radia Perlman To: Mirjam Kuehne Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: EDU Team , Margaret Wasserman Subject: Re: [edu-team] Fwd: 81st IETF Tutorials X-BeenThere: edu-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Education Team List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 15:58:55 -0000 OK. Given that there is no hurry for this, I can try sending email to various lists seeing if I can find volunteers. But I'm a bit concerned about a couple of things a) most speakers are really not good, and don't understand how to do an overview for people who have not been in their area, so I prefer when I get a "good feeling" about someone when I chat with them, ask them a few questions, and they understand the question and give me a coherent answer. If someone volunteers and then we realize they are incomprehensible, not sure how to gracefully back out b) there's been a thread on the WG chairs list about making good use of WG time that has several people expressing the opinion (which I strongly disagree with) that there should not be any time spent explaining stuff...that everything should be done in internet drafts and on the list, and everyone who cares should have read the documents. I believe that it's good to have "tourists" getting a flavor of what an area is about, for lots of reasons. Perhaps tutorial overviews are less controversial in the Sunday afternoon slot? But if a message asking for volunteers for a tutorial is on a typical IETF mailing list, I'm sure that at least one person on the list will make a Big Deal of it. So maybe it would be better to just use informal contacts. I do know some people in various areas and I can just send them private email asking for recommendations. So if people have some favorite technical areas they'd like for us to find people for, let me know. I should try to hunt down the wireless person. I think that would be much more interesting than MPLS, which I'm worried there really isn't more to say than the 10 minutes I cover of it, in my layer 2-3 presentation, other than gruesome details that are irrelevant for an overview. Radia On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 1:33 AM, Mirjam Kuehne wrote: > Hi Radia, > > Thanks for clarifying. I understood that you didn't actually wanted to gi= ve > that tutorial, I just included you as a contact person. > > We have now submitted the other four tutorials for the secretariat for IE= TF > 81. That will hopefully give us some time to put together a tutorial on M= PLS > for IETF 82. > > And thank you for offering to help with that. Would you like to send mail= to > the MPLS WG list? Maybe others on the Edu team have a suggestion? > Unfortunately I don't really know anyone in that area. > > Mirjam > > > Radia Perlman wrote: >> >> Although I was suggesting MPLS might be a good topic because it seems >> to be mystifyingly complex, I wasn't volunteering to do that one. I'm >> always ready and happy to do a more general overview of layers 2 and 3 >> (including MPLS and routing protocols), or one on security, but I >> wouldn't want to do one focused just on MPLS. =A0If we really wanted >> someone to do that, perhaps we could send email to the MPLS working >> group asking for a volunteer. >> >> I'm also happy to work with someone who is preparing a new tutorial, >> to help them make it comprehensible, and to ask them a bunch of >> questions that I think someone would want to learn from such a thing, >> to make sure that content was included. >> >> I wish I hadn't lost the piece of paper on which I jotted down the >> name of the person enthusiastic about doing a wireless tutorial. >> >> Radia >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 12:40 AM, Mirjam Kuehne wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Looks like most people like the idea to organise an edu-team meeting in >>> Quebec or another way to gather more community feedback. >>> >>> For now, we need to decide pretty quickly which tutorials we want to >>> offer >>> at IETF 81, because the secretariat wants to open registration today! S= o >>> far >>> I've seen the following suggestions: >>> >>> >>> 1. Newcomers (Scott, confirmed) >>> >>> 2. WG Leadership (Margaret, confirmed) >>> >>> 3. Tools for Creating Internet-Drafts (Alice, confirmed) >>> >>> 4. Bringing new work to the IETF (Thomas?) >>> >>> 5. MPLS (Radia?) >>> >>> If Thomas agrees to do 'Bringing New Work into the IETF', we have four >>> process-oriented tutorials, but having listened to the discussion at th= e >>> plenary in Prague, maybe that's what's needed? >>> >>> Regards, >>> Mirjam >>> >>> Mirjam Kuehne wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> So, we have the following so far: >>>> >>>> Newcomers (Scott?) >>>> >>>> WG Leadership (Margaret) >>>> >>>> Bringing new work to the IETF (Thomas Narten) >>>> - Thomas, would you be willing to do this in Quebec? >>>> >>>> Then we need at least one more: Maybe one on MPLS as suggested by Radi= a? >>>> Who could we ask to tech this? >>>> >>>> Or do we want to offer 'Intro to xml2rfc' once more? Alice? >>>> >>>> Mirjam >>>> >>>> Margaret Wasserman wrote: >>>>> >>>>> So, what tutorials do we want to do this time? >>>>> >>>>> I was thinking I might update the WG Leadership tutorial again, based >>>>> on >>>>> experience last time, and do it again. >>>>> >>>>> What other tutorials were done last time that should be repeated? >>>>> >>>>> What about asking Thomas Narten to do "Bringing New Work" again? >>>>> Margaret >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>>> >>>>>> *From: *Wanda Lo > >>>>>> *Date: *April 12, 2011 8:03:43 PM EDT >>>>>> *To: *Mirjam Kuehne >, Margaret >>>>>> Wasserman > >>>>>> *Cc: *Beaulieu Marcia > >>>>>> *Subject: **81st IETF Tutorials* >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello Ladies, >>>>>> >>>>>> We are planning to open registration for IETF 81 - Quebec on the 26t= h >>>>>> of >>>>>> April and would like to get all the tutorials' information ready. >>>>>> =A0Please >>>>>> send as soon as you can so we can include it in the registration >>>>>> system. =A0If >>>>>> you have any questions, please let me know. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks so much! >>>>>> Wanda >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>>>> Wanda Lo >>>>>> Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) >>>>>> 48377 Fremont Blvd., Ste. 117 Fremont, California 94538 / USA >>>>>> +1-510-492-4082=A0+1-510-492-4001 (fax) _www.ietf.org >>>>>> _ >>>>>> =A0/--/// >>>>>> Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) >>>>>> Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning >>>>>> www.amsl.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------= --- >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> edu-team mailing list >>>>> edu-team@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> edu-team mailing list >>> edu-team@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team >>> > >