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[79.166.57.25]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u21sm6155306eja.59.2021.06.22.08.34.23 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 22 Jun 2021 08:34:24 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Cc: "'Karen O'Donoghue'" , Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 18:34:21 +0300 Message-ID: <006f01d7677c$13b31cb0$3b195610$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0070_01D76795.3900A2D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: Addne/tgll7rv4x/Qu6Px7DrcdO2ng== Content-Language: el Archived-At: Subject: [edu-team] Educational RFCs X-BeenThere: edu-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Education Team List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 15:34:32 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01D76795.3900A2D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings to the edu-team, Apologies if this has already been discussed in the past. I searched the mail archives as much as possible but couldn't find anything similar. On a course on Internet Protocols at the University of Piraeus (https://www.ds.unipi.gr/en/courses/internet-protocols-2/), Professor Rouskas and I, have begun a series of laboratory exercises where we want our students to become adept at being able to read and implement internet protocol specification documents, specifically from the IETF. With that goal in mind, we wrote a small IETF-like draft (using xml2rfc) where we outlined a very simple protocol in detail and asked them to read and implement it. That got us thinking whether it makes sense for the IETF and specifically for the edu-team to create a series of educational RFCs with the goal of providing material for Universities for preparing students/future-engineers to be ready to participate in the IETF. We do understand that this is not the current focus of the edu-team and the IETF in particular, but we were thinking whether it makes sense to expand the charter to allow creating short introductory RFCs, where attendees/students could be introduced into reading and understanding specs at a smaller scale. Regards, Evangelos Haleplidis. ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01D76795.3900A2D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Greetings to the = edu-team,

 

Apologies if this has already been discussed in the = past. I searched the mail archives as much as possible but = couldn’t find anything similar.

 

On a course = on Internet Protocols at the University of Piraeus (https:/= /www.ds.unipi.gr/en/courses/internet-protocols-2/), Professor = Rouskas and I, have begun a series of laboratory exercises where we want = our students to become adept at being able to read and implement = internet protocol specification documents, specifically from the IETF. =

 

With that goal in mind, we wrote a small IETF-like = draft (using xml2rfc) where we outlined a very simple protocol in detail = and asked them to read and implement it.

 

That got us = thinking whether it makes sense for the IETF and specifically for the = edu-team to create a series of educational RFCs with the goal of = providing material for Universities for preparing = students/future-engineers to be ready to participate in the IETF. =

 

We do understand that this is not the current focus of = the edu-team and the IETF in particular, but we were thinking whether it = makes sense to expand the charter to allow creating short introductory = RFCs, where attendees/students could be introduced into reading and = understanding specs at a smaller scale.

 

Regards,

Evangelos = Haleplidis.

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[68.111.231.227]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q18sm1040764pfj.178.2021.06.23.19.48.56 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 23 Jun 2021 19:48:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Baker X-Google-Original-From: Fred Baker Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-AEBF54C1-A11B-489D-8240-CD7734D5D689 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: <006f01d7677c$13b31cb0$3b195610$@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2021 19:48:55 -0700 Cc: edu-team@ietf.org, arouskas@unipi.gr Message-Id: <049BD911-F1B1-496D-BBCD-2788824A6CA3@gmail.com> References: <006f01d7677c$13b31cb0$3b195610$@gmail.com> To: ehalep@gmail.com X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (18G5042c) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [edu-team] Educational RFCs X-BeenThere: edu-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Education Team List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 02:49:02 -0000 --Apple-Mail-AEBF54C1-A11B-489D-8240-CD7734D5D689 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Speaking for myself; I think this is a reasonable idea. We once had a relate= d series, the FYI series, and had an entire area fir them, called User Servi= ces. Sent using a machine that autocorrects in interesting ways... > On Jun 22, 2021, at 8:34 AM, ehalep@gmail.com wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > Greetings to the edu-team, > =20 > Apologies if this has already been discussed in the past. I searched the m= ail archives as much as possible but couldn=E2=80=99t find anything similar.= > =20 > On a course on Internet Protocols at the University of Piraeus (https://ww= w.ds.unipi.gr/en/courses/internet-protocols-2/), Professor Rouskas and I, ha= ve begun a series of laboratory exercises where we want our students to beco= me adept at being able to read and implement internet protocol specification= documents, specifically from the IETF. > =20 > With that goal in mind, we wrote a small IETF-like draft (using xml2rfc) w= here we outlined a very simple protocol in detail and asked them to read and= implement it. > =20 > That got us thinking whether it makes sense for the IETF and specifically f= or the edu-team to create a series of educational RFCs with the goal of prov= iding material for Universities for preparing students/future-engineers to b= e ready to participate in the IETF. > =20 > We do understand that this is not the current focus of the edu-team and th= e IETF in particular, but we were thinking whether it makes sense to expand t= he charter to allow creating short introductory RFCs, where attendees/studen= ts could be introduced into reading and understanding specs at a smaller sca= le. > =20 > Regards, > Evangelos Haleplidis. > _______________________________________________ > edu-team mailing list > edu-team@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team --Apple-Mail-AEBF54C1-A11B-489D-8240-CD7734D5D689 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Speaking for myself; I think this is a reas= onable idea. We once had a related series, the FYI series, and had an entire= area fir them, called User Services.

Sent using a m= achine that autocorrects in interesting ways...

On Jun 22, 2021, at 8:34 AM, ehalep@gmail.com wrote:=

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Greetings to the edu-team,

 

Apologies if this has already been d= iscussed in the past. I searched the mail archives as much as possible but c= ouldn=E2=80=99t find anything similar.

=  

On a course on Internet Protocol= s at the University of Piraeus (https://www.ds.unipi.gr/en/courses/internet-protoco= ls-2/), Professor Rouskas and I, have begun a series of laboratory exerc= ises where we want our students to become adept at being able to read and im= plement internet protocol specification documents, specifically from the IET= F.

 

With that goal in mind, we wrote a small IETF-like draft (using xml= 2rfc) where we outlined a very simple protocol in detail and asked them to r= ead and implement it.

 

That got us thinking whether it makes sense for t= he IETF and specifically for the edu-team to create a series of educational R= FCs with the goal of providing material for Universities for preparing stude= nts/future-engineers to be ready to participate in the IETF.

=

 

We do und= erstand that this is not the current focus of the edu-team and the IETF in p= articular, but we were thinking whether it makes sense to expand the charter= to allow creating short introductory RFCs, where attendees/students could b= e introduced into reading and understanding specs at a smaller scale.

 

R= egards,

Evangelos Haleplidis.

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