From tnadeau@lucidvision.com Wed Jul 3 03:43:43 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B91521F9A1B for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 03:43:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Si6bEgz73-Te for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 03:43:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lucidvision.com (lucidvision.com [72.71.250.34]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE74521F9A10 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 03:43:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.122] (static-72-71-250-38.cncdnh.fast04.myfairpoint.net [72.71.250.38]) by lucidvision.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C86024EA7C0 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 06:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_03136CF1-A696-4663-BEB6-7CE03E2C7DB8" From: Giles Heron Resent-From: Thomas Nadeau Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 09:13:47 +0100 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 06:43:38 -0400 Message-Id: <5E09CC0B-2864-4045-AAA3-CAA10F932DEF@gmail.com> Resent-To: eman@ietf.org References: <20130703051701.22549.85585.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: "l2vpn@ietf.org" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) Resent-Message-Id: <20130703104331.3C86024EA7C0@lucidvision.com> Subject: [eman] Fwd: Draft submission deadlines change X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2013 10:43:43 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_03136CF1-A696-4663-BEB6-7CE03E2C7DB8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Please note the change to the draft submission deadlines. Tom and Nevil Begin forwarded message: > From: IETF Chair > Subject: Draft submission deadlines change > Date: 3 July 2013 06:17:01 BST > To: IETF Announcement List > Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org >=20 > Please note that for IETF 87, there is only one deadline for draft = submission: Monday 15th July. Previously, there had been two different = deadlines, one for -00 and another one for other versions. The IESG has = decided to experiment with just one deadline for now to simplify the set = of deadlines and enable easier submission of new drafts. While we = realise that the change comes near the deadline, we hope that you find = the extra time useful. >=20 > But please do note that working group chairs will continue to make = smart decisions about what topics are worthwhile for discussing in a = session in the upcoming meeting, and will also set their agendas in a = timely manner and create deadlines for their working groups that must be = adhered to. The earlier new drafts are submitted, the more time there is = to talk about them on the mailing lists and consider them for the = session agendas. This is particularly important for BoFs. >=20 > Jari Arkko for the IESG --Apple-Mail=_03136CF1-A696-4663-BEB6-7CE03E2C7DB8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Please note the change to the = draft submission deadlines.

Tom and = Nevil

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From: IETF Chair <chair@ietf.org>
Subject: Draft submission deadlines = change
Date: 3 July 2013 = 06:17:01 BST
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P= lease note that for IETF 87, there is only one deadline for draft = submission: Monday 15th July. Previously, there had been two different = deadlines, one for -00 and another one for other versions. The IESG has = decided to experiment with just one deadline for now to simplify the set = of deadlines and enable easier submission of new drafts. While we = realise that the change comes near the deadline, we hope that you find = the extra time useful.

But please do note that working group = chairs will continue to make smart decisions about what topics are = worthwhile for discussing in a session in the upcoming meeting, and will = also set their agendas in a timely manner and create deadlines for their = working groups that must be adhered to. The earlier new drafts are = submitted, the more time there is to talk about them on the mailing = lists and consider them for the session agendas. This is particularly = important for BoFs.

Jari Arkko for the = IESG

= --Apple-Mail=_03136CF1-A696-4663-BEB6-7CE03E2C7DB8-- From n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz Wed Jul 3 18:58:05 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A50F11E810B for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 18:58:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OuvDDQKzrE-b for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 18:58:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx2.auckland.ac.nz (mx2.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.125.245]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 492B911E810E for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 18:57:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=auckland.ac.nz; i=@auckland.ac.nz; q=dns/txt; s=uoa; t=1372903080; x=1404439080; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject: content-transfer-encoding; bh=6DSBlUPllfxVUQHD2LO5f2p3p8juSQDW6ClgoWL5fhM=; b=LqvbyMi+9fx7Wr6rCkjOvpZX7SxsaiHK8m/muLpI6kiC3dSYGkNzT+xY PGYHepN1Dy4QQPjpIfVFX+/YzbksXwXJ3JIhnEKWiChV4hwEAVepFw2HQ P/yKx/3AngqN0ToRx4YFuUh/lcmPwjL5PYIio+sBRFyC4I6pvp1Gp1TK/ M=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.87,992,1363086000"; d="scan'208";a="197173682" X-Ironport-HAT: UNIVERSITY - $RELAY-THROTTLE X-Ironport-Source: 130.216.38.131 - Outgoing - Outgoing-SSL Received: from nevil-laptop1.sfac.auckland.ac.nz (HELO [130.216.38.131]) ([130.216.38.131]) by mx2-int.auckland.ac.nz with ESMTP; 04 Jul 2013 13:57:57 +1200 Message-ID: <51D4D6A4.7060808@auckland.ac.nz> Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 13:57:56 +1200 From: Nevil Brownlee User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "eman@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Subject: [eman] FIRST DRAFT of EMAN WG aganda for IETF 87 Berlin X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 01:58:05 -0000 Hi all: First, welcome to our new WG co-chair, Thomas Nadeau, replacing Bruce Nordman, who has stepped down. Now, here's a first guess at our agenda for the Berlin Meeting. Since it is a very first draft, it's open to changes. Right now I don't know who will be presenting each of the current drafts, that's why the parentheses below are empty (). If you have material you'd like to present, please let me know. After a long time and a lot of hard work, the Framework authors expect to have a new version published before the meeting draft deadline, 15 July. When that's published, please read it and comment on the list! Cheers, Nevil ================================================== Energy Management WG (eman) Agenda for IETF 87, Berlin (agenda-00) Monday, 29 July 2013, 0900-1130, Schoenberg 1/2 ================================================== Chairs: Nevil Brownlee Thomas Nadeau AGENDA: 1. Note Well, Agenda review, Scribes = 5 min 2. Update from last meeting / WG Status (Nevil) = 10 min Entity MIB (Version 4) Published as RFC 6933 EMAN Requirements In RFC Ed queue since 2 May 3. Current charter work items = 20 min a) Energy Management Framework () draft-ietf-eman-framework-07 b) Energy-aware Networks and Devices MIB () draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-08, 19 Apr 13 c) Power and Energy Monitoring MIB () draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-05, 22 Apr 13 d) Definition of Managed Objects for Battery Monitoring () draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib-08, 19 Apr 13 e) Energy Management (EMAN) Applicability Statement () draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-03, 18 Apr 13 5. Other drafts (if time permits) 6. Any Other Business = 5 min Presentation slides will be available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/meeting_materials.cgi?meeting_num=87 (search for EMAN in the Operations and Management Area) Participation via jabber is offered at ipfix@jabber.ietf.org -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand From trac+eman@trac.tools.ietf.org Tue Jul 9 11:25:52 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2904121F9CBF for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 11:25:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v4H4AbyEBHy2 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 11:25:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6F5921F96D9 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 11:25:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35550 helo=grenache.tools.ietf.org ident=www-data) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UwcbP-00068S-6J; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 20:25:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "eman issue tracker" X-Trac-Version: 0.12.3 Precedence: bulk Auto-Submitted: auto-generated X-Mailer: Trac 0.12.3, by Edgewall Software To: draft-ietf-eman-framework@tools.ietf.org, n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz X-Trac-Project: eman Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 18:25:27 -0000 X-URL: http://tools.ietf.org/eman/ X-Trac-Ticket-URL: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/eman/trac/ticket/35#comment:2 Message-ID: <070.4d65e35715f1bdddce1b4773ae7f49b6@trac.tools.ietf.org> References: <055.a739eed8fef5e361e6d012f61a6eb41c@trac.tools.ietf.org> X-Trac-Ticket-ID: 35 In-Reply-To: <055.a739eed8fef5e361e6d012f61a6eb41c@trac.tools.ietf.org> X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: draft-ietf-eman-framework@tools.ietf.org, n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz, eman@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: trac+eman@trac.tools.ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on grenache.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Resent-To: bclaise@cisco.com, bnordman@lbl.gov, brad.schoening@verizon.net, jparello@cisco.com, quittek@netlab.nec.de Resent-Message-Id: <20130709182544.E6F5921F96D9@ietfa.amsl.com> Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 11:25:44 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: trac+eman@trac.tools.ietf.org Cc: eman@ietf.org Subject: Re: [eman] #35: Clarify how relationship model and power interface model X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 18:25:52 -0000 #35: Clarify how relationship model and power interface model Changes (by n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz): * status: new => closed * resolution: => fixed -- -------------------------+------------------------------------------------- Reporter: | Owner: draft-ietf-eman- bnordman@lbl.gov | framework@tools.ietf.org Type: defect | Status: closed Priority: major | Milestone: Component: framework | Version: Severity: Active WG | Resolution: fixed Document | Keywords: | -------------------------+------------------------------------------------- Ticket URL: eman From trac+eman@trac.tools.ietf.org Tue Jul 9 11:26:56 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED6A021F9CAC for ; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: eman@ietf.org Subject: Re: [eman] #4: Reorganise sections X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 18:26:57 -0000 #4: Reorganise sections Changes (by n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz): * status: new => closed * resolution: => fixed -- ---------------------------------------+------------------------- Reporter: n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz | Owner: all Type: defect | Status: closed Priority: major | Milestone: milestone1 Component: framework | Version: 1.0 Severity: - | Resolution: fixed Keywords: | ---------------------------------------+------------------------- Ticket URL: eman From trac+eman@trac.tools.ietf.org Tue Jul 9 11:28:27 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBA4D21F9E93 for ; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false Resent-To: bclaise@cisco.com, bnordman@lbl.gov, brad.schoening@verizon.net, jparello@cisco.com, quittek@netlab.nec.de Resent-Message-Id: <20130709182827.590A621F9E7B@ietfa.amsl.com> Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 11:28:27 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: trac+eman@trac.tools.ietf.org Cc: eman@ietf.org Subject: Re: [eman] #30: Power State and Power State Sets introduction X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 18:28:28 -0000 #30: Power State and Power State Sets introduction Changes (by n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz): * status: new => closed * resolution: => fixed -- -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- Reporter: | Owner: draft-ietf-eman- n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz | framework@tools.ietf.org Type: defect | Status: closed Priority: major | Milestone: milestone1 Component: framework | Version: Severity: Active WG Document | Resolution: fixed Keywords: | -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- Ticket URL: eman From trac+eman@trac.tools.ietf.org Tue Jul 9 11:29:06 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C04CB21F9CF1 for ; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: eman@ietf.org Subject: Re: [eman] #37: Determine how best to include PWG power states X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 18:29:06 -0000 #37: Determine how best to include PWG power states Changes (by n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz): * status: new => closed * resolution: => fixed -- ---------------------------------------+-------------------------------- Reporter: n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz | Owner: bclaise@cisco.com Type: defect | Status: closed Priority: major | Milestone: milestone1 Component: applicability-statement | Version: Severity: - | Resolution: fixed Keywords: | ---------------------------------------+-------------------------------- Ticket URL: eman From trac+eman@trac.tools.ietf.org Tue Jul 9 14:53:30 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2103D11E8164 for ; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false Resent-To: bnordman@lbl.gov, brad.schoening@verizon.net, moulchan@cisco.com Resent-Message-Id: <20130709215329.2C5FA21F9B9B@ietfa.amsl.com> Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 14:53:28 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: trac+eman@trac.tools.ietf.org Cc: eman@ietf.org Subject: Re: [eman] #31: Clarify what is optional to implment in the UML X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 21:53:30 -0000 #31: Clarify what is optional to implment in the UML Changes (by n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz): * status: new => closed * resolution: => fixed -- -------------------------+------------------------------------------------- Reporter: | Owner: draft-ietf-eman-applicability- jparello@cisco.com | statement@tools.ietf.org Type: defect | Status: closed Priority: major | Milestone: Component: | Version: applicability- | Resolution: fixed statement | Severity: - | Keywords: | -------------------------+------------------------------------------------- Ticket URL: eman From internet-drafts@ietf.org Tue Jul 9 18:00:19 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09C4021F9590; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 18:00:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.563 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.563 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.037, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nyrIPlKqFkQ8; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 18:00:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0DDC21F961F; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 18:00:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.51.p2 Message-ID: <20130710010017.27774.41232.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 18:00:17 -0700 Cc: eman@ietf.org Subject: [eman] I-D Action: draft-ietf-eman-framework-08.txt X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 01:00:19 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Energy Management Working Group of the IE= TF. Title : Energy Management Framework Author(s) : Benoit Claise John Parello Brad Schoening Juergen Quittek Filename : draft-ietf-eman-framework-08.txt Pages : 63 Date : 2013-07-09 Abstract: This document defines a framework for providing Energy Management for devices and device components within or connected to communication networks. The framework defines an Energy Management Domain as a set of Energy Objects. Each Energy Object is identified, classified and given context. Energy Objects can be monitored and controlled with respect to Power, Power State, Energy, Demand, Power Attributes, and Battery. Additionally the framework models relationships and capabilities between Energy Objects. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-framework There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-eman-framework-08 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-eman-framework-08 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From jparello@cisco.com Tue Jul 9 18:14:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C113D21F9B08 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 18:14:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MK+l9k-V8mYV for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 18:14:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com [173.37.86.80]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6886521F9B18 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 18:14:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2371; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1373418860; x=1374628460; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=tYhCiZUatwpOsZwRQEeT2JvhCFLmbJ5jwcmW6ppihu0=; b=YCBt7Ip6cZJV3y3T7FZZOhOTGV5WmBsSQ2f0dYuZXnPzlaF6IpXLlEuG 2lr/kIRi8H8O5U/9b8O3oA7Xp9gHLYdMB8pe3Rrj9bMeiY5JwPMZOUoAV M6cxb4Cxio+7Fvm8ka3QtQra/F9OX5cltz9MxygHeNUNZTG9/ODBckb5z I=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiEFADG13FGtJV2Z/2dsb2JhbABagwkyRwbBE4ETFnSCIwEBAQQBAQE3NAQTBgEZBAEBCxQJLgsUCQkBBBMIAYgFAQcFmXOgGo4jF4EADy+DA2sDmH2QIIMRgig X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.87,1032,1363132800"; d="scan'208";a="229853085" Received: from rcdn-core-2.cisco.com ([173.37.93.153]) by rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com with ESMTP; 10 Jul 2013 01:14:20 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x07.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x07.cisco.com [173.37.183.81]) by rcdn-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r6A1EIKN018111 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2013 01:14:19 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x04.cisco.com ([169.254.9.239]) by xhc-rcd-x07.cisco.com ([173.37.183.81]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 20:14:18 -0500 From: "John Parello (jparello)" To: "eman@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: NEW draft-ietf-eman-framework-08.txt Thread-Index: Ac59CsxhMuirt547T4qDIPjUuTrc+w== Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 01:14:17 +0000 Message-ID: <9C213D38848B89428F46808B16F6F0862E093D@xmb-aln-x04.cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [171.71.223.13] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [eman] NEW draft-ietf-eman-framework-08.txt X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 01:14:24 -0000 Hi all! We have a new framework draft ready for review here on the list and for dis= cussion at IETF 87 Berlin. This revision is a major edit and we've tracked changes and issues here: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/eman/trac/report/6 Please review and comment. Most importantly we have a shorthand pseudo code for the information model = we are proposing and would like feedback and comments from you all. Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: eman-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:eman-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of int= ernet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 6:00 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: eman@ietf.org Subject: [eman] I-D Action: draft-ietf-eman-framework-08.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Energy Management Working Group of the IE= TF. Title : Energy Management Framework Author(s) : Benoit Claise John Parello Brad Schoening Juergen Quittek Filename : draft-ietf-eman-framework-08.txt Pages : 63 Date : 2013-07-09 Abstract: This document defines a framework for providing Energy Management for devices and device components within or connected to communication networks. The framework defines an Energy Management Domain as a set of Energy Objects. Each Energy Object is identified, classified and given context. Energy Objects can be monitored and controlled with respect to Power, Power State, Energy, Demand, Power Attributes, and Battery. Additionally the framework models relationships and capabilities between Energy Objects. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-framework There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-eman-framework-08 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-eman-framework-08 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ eman mailing list eman@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman From bnordman@lbl.gov Thu Jul 11 00:51:38 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00F7521F99F0 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 00:51:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.976 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.976 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A+8XtB4GPeyF for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 00:51:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe2.lbl.gov (fe2.lbl.gov [128.3.41.134]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 967F421F99D9 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 00:51:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Ironport-SBRS: 4.8 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhoDAHlj3lHRVcC1lGdsb2JhbABXA4JFdk2vZIk4iDqBAggWDgEBAQEHCwsJEiqCIwEBAQEDdxIPBwYDAQIvIhIBBQESAggGEwmIBgyZa506jisHgSABFwYLg2QDiSeOM4EpjjwWKYRXHIEs X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.87,1042,1363158000"; d="scan'208";a="24061676" Received: from mail-pd0-f181.google.com ([209.85.192.181]) by fe2.lbl.gov with ESMTP; 11 Jul 2013 00:51:30 -0700 Received: by mail-pd0-f181.google.com with SMTP id 14so7262050pdj.12 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 00:51:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=jpa8hNlqPaiMuFz1AnLS/y8TKOmLcVRgo3KcPIfptuM=; b=Sd0dfGctb9KFk3kH9Uuj9rLD3GDk/gl2HACXlbmEsjfQ7RmwxSktFTF5KCIYx9GAPR +okUvtPq9Tnlc1CInvhmBG9+HOtrDazJ99YTOBfFMRDPR+eFTXrSNFXaPxXPYyhpWDxh UiulkGLBQ/09hhjWe7bBYssnP62RTApDkYkc9sD+r1Ao5AI6m1O3QKMNgPqfqe0Q9Uii CeShL3cFmy5u/JpmqPjYcEbf3NXiJ+hutVXWU09ksEYZwZYcKXvoFEnSuG+B/vCEUnhE NAvpyF6IuZjMLY+kfKh/ZfiE7xpsDPwDLIuMDyK3fvzoOKTENblF8atwCK1MGaXiXBc3 UdlQ== X-Received: by 10.68.164.33 with SMTP id yn1mr35684593pbb.71.1373529090937; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 00:51:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.164.33 with SMTP id yn1mr35684581pbb.71.1373529090827; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 00:51:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.228.163 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 00:51:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130711074631.11623.23202.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <20130711074631.11623.23202.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 00:51:30 -0700 Message-ID: From: Bruce Nordman To: eman mailing list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b6243408c3b7b04e137a935 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnVxoRFwKyBpsP5MCa4sk0LR5P3GJJlISSXWh8/g1H2L5HqEXyVmEBS4yyhBA1PC1XZHUOM/cljyxFvJvHMRIrfQLVcszEiSb5pBNEW7e52yGWAk0uaqEH6sqbJC9+4x1Ngd86c Subject: [eman] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-nordman-eman-er-framework-00.txt X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 07:51:38 -0000 --047d7b6243408c3b7b04e137a935 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have posted a draft on an "Energy Reporting Framework" that addresses the EMAN Requirements draft content. I look forward to your careful review of it. If I get substantial comments before the Monday deadline, I will post a revised edition, and at that time provide additional comments. Thanks, --Bruce ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Date: Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 12:46 AM Subject: New Version Notification for draft-nordman-eman-er-framework-00.txt To: Bruce Nordman A new version of I-D, draft-nordman-eman-er-framework-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Bruce Nordman and posted to the IETF repository. Filename: draft-nordman-eman-er-framework Revision: 00 Title: Energy Reporting Framework Creation date: 2013-07-11 Group: Individual Submission Number of pages: 22 URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-nordman-eman-er-framework-00.txt Status: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-nordman-eman-er-framework Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nordman-eman-er-framework-00 Abstract: Managing energy consumption of devices presents new challenges and issues. The EMAN Requirements draft identifies essential capabilities needed to accomplish this. This draft describes how an energy management system can use EMAN to gather and interpret data from individual devices, and how some of the Requirements are implemented in the model. This document focuses on Energy Reporting, though acknowledges and fully includes the limited control functions specified in the Requirements draft. Topics addressed in detail include the topology of power distribution, reporting mechanisms, and the various roles of devices, power interfaces, and components. The IETF Secretariat -- *Bruce Nordman* Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory *nordman.lbl.gov* BNordman@LBL.gov 510-486-7089 m: 510-501-7943 --047d7b6243408c3b7b04e137a935 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have posted a draft on an "Ener= gy Reporting Framework"
that addresses the EMAN Requirements draft = content.

I look forward to your careful review of it.=A0 If I = get substantial
comments before the Monday deadline, I will post a revised
edition= , and at that time provide additional comments.

Thanks,
--Bruce

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A new version of I-D, draft-nordman-eman-er-framework-00.txt
has been successfully submitted by Bruce Nordman and posted to the
IETF repository.

Filename: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0draft-nordman-eman-er-framework
Revision: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A000
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Group: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Individual Submission
Number of pages: 22
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Status: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0http://datatracker.ietf.org/d= oc/draft-nordman-eman-er-framework
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Abstract:
=A0 =A0Managing energy consumption of devices presents new challenges and =A0 =A0issues. =A0The EMAN Requirements draft identifies essential
=A0 =A0capabilities needed to accomplish this. =A0This draft describes how = an
=A0 =A0energy management system can use EMAN to gather and interpret data =A0 =A0from individual devices, and how some of the Requirements are
=A0 =A0implemented in the model. =A0This document focuses on Energy Reporti= ng,
=A0 =A0though acknowledges and fully includes the limited control functions=
=A0 =A0specified in the Requirements draft. =A0Topics addressed in detail =A0 =A0include the topology of power distribution, reporting mechanisms, an= d
=A0 =A0the various roles of devices, power interfaces, and components.




The IETF Secretariat




--
Bruce Nordman
Lawrence Berkeley National L= aboratory
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BNordman@LBL.gov
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--047d7b6243408c3b7b04e137a935-- From internet-drafts@ietf.org Fri Jul 12 02:49:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F6FE21F9C81; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 02:49:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.535 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.535 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.065, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WJR1lyyXO0Pe; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 02:49:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2DE821F9C55; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 02:49:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.51.p2 Message-ID: <20130712094923.27790.55347.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 02:49:23 -0700 Cc: eman@ietf.org Subject: [eman] I-D Action: draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-09.txt X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 09:49:24 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Energy Management Working Group of the IE= TF. Title : Energy Object Context MIB Author(s) : John Parello Benoit Claise Mouli Chandramouli Filename : draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-09.txt Pages : 33 Date : 2013-07-12 Abstract: This document defines a subset of a Management Information Base (MIB) for energy management of devices. The module addresses device identification, context information, and the relationships between reporting devices, remote devices, and monitoring devices. = The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-09 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-09 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From moulchan@cisco.com Fri Jul 12 02:58:57 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FA1121F9B89 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 02:58:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x86U0zIghd2q for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 02:58:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.86.74]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC4CE21F9B58 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 02:58:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1887; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1373623132; x=1374832732; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:in-reply-to:content-id: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=f/kr/93/XHhrdIDYuxk47kuyAgWh8wNn6LsncFNEF3g=; b=aJWZ/Jg/K9gdwHqrQH2XXgg0cWnKcWP1Pzs5zOuqlAFCnSFfpVxnHwNi b6fHr/LIEekT8vsl8wooLDqiAveeybM7s1XoxfnwQzNWt0sx+ep+LxmnW bpRxeSYfPcm3D1PXc6Jx1dPowJBENgnjHtOhA/EaO0goq1QR5RnroMLu0 A=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgQFABXS31GtJXHA/2dsb2JhbABagwY0SQbBUYEGFnSCJQEEAQEBNzQEGQEIIhQ3CyUCBBMIAYgGBwWWLqBOjzA4gwlsA5kGkCSDEYIo X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.89,652,1367971200"; d="scan'208";a="233994944" Received: from rcdn-core2-5.cisco.com ([173.37.113.192]) by rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 Jul 2013 09:58:52 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x09.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x09.cisco.com [173.36.12.83]) by rcdn-core2-5.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r6C9wqeE031602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 09:58:52 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x08.cisco.com ([169.254.8.87]) by xhc-aln-x09.cisco.com ([173.36.12.83]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 04:58:51 -0500 From: "Mouli Chandramouli (moulchan)" To: eman mailing list Thread-Topic: [eman] I-D Action: draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-09.txt Thread-Index: AQHOfuUijkcC6U61Zk+1KQ7NUzdiTplhfwqA Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 09:58:50 +0000 Message-ID: <852AF0ED49D9F24BBBFA1B4DEEBE3BA4287C1377@xmb-rcd-x08.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <20130712094923.27790.55347.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.5.130515 x-originating-ip: [10.142.100.71] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <60C4BF2F6C09B54DB672CA15E567A18F@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [eman] I-D Action: draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-09.txt X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 09:58:57 -0000 Hello all, An updated version of the Energy Object Context MIB has been submitted. Some of the changes are: 1. In accordance with the changes in the Framework draft, Proxy Relationship has been removed 2. An IANA controlled Textual Convention for the energy object relationship has been introduced. 3. Other edits and comments from reviews are updated. Thanks John, Benoit, Mouli On 12/07/13 3:19 PM, "internet-drafts@ietf.org" wrote: > >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >directories. > This draft is a work item of the Energy Management Working Group of the >IETF. > > Title : Energy Object Context MIB > Author(s) : John Parello > Benoit Claise > Mouli Chandramouli > Filename : draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-09.txt > Pages : 33 > Date : 2013-07-12 > >Abstract: > This document defines a subset of a Management Information Base > (MIB) for energy management of devices. The module addresses > device identification, context information, and the > relationships between reporting devices, remote devices, and > monitoring devices. > > =20 > >The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib > >There's also a htmlized version available at: >http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-09 > >A diff from the previous version is available at: >http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-09 > > >Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > >_______________________________________________ >eman mailing list >eman@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman From n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz Sun Jul 14 15:33:04 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 139A421F9BBE for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 15:33:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pl975eMeDQG1 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 15:32:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx2.auckland.ac.nz (mx2.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.125.245]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 865C321F9BB3 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 15:32:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=auckland.ac.nz; i=@auckland.ac.nz; q=dns/txt; s=uoa; t=1373841180; x=1405377180; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject: content-transfer-encoding; bh=6ET6AYroY7zS7L04o7Wfijdwr3oYofyfZQ/UTFgSvt0=; b=P1Pi5DPw+/evgz0l8vI3M7dOAKPk5VRPz5ikJJyRU7Ie4UmPscFjHpB/ ENBTm9EuhT5gadV3PZXGuiG7YZFANJn2vYFpYu9N6nRrOv+xAcXTk6X0Q ZPiXdq4zmxjV89EvOTJNTYiqA1qWKQKneL25SMbVUEpNFQrDf8hn38/ZA A=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.89,665,1367928000"; d="scan'208";a="198922313" X-Ironport-HAT: UNIVERSITY - $RELAY-THROTTLE X-Ironport-Source: 130.216.38.131 - Outgoing - Outgoing-SSL Received: from nevil-laptop1.sfac.auckland.ac.nz (HELO [130.216.38.131]) ([130.216.38.131]) by mx2-int.auckland.ac.nz with ESMTP; 15 Jul 2013 10:32:56 +1200 Message-ID: <51E32718.8020006@auckland.ac.nz> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 10:32:56 +1200 From: Nevil Brownlee User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "eman@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [eman] Updated Agenda for Berlin X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 22:33:04 -0000 Hi all: The current version of our agenda is now available at http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/87/agenda/agenda-87-eman If you haven't done so yet, please take a look at the new revision of our framework draft http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-framework/ We need feedback on this, not least so that we can have an informed discussion in Berlin, but also so that we can start its WG Last Call soon after that meeting! Cheers, Nevil -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand From internet-drafts@ietf.org Mon Jul 15 08:11:37 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E2E611E8163; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 08:11:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.538 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.538 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.062, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mV8WcFAx9OO0; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 08:11:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A6B41F0D36; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 08:11:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.51.p2 Message-ID: <20130715151123.27345.20356.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 08:11:23 -0700 Cc: eman@ietf.org Subject: [eman] I-D Action: draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib-09.txt X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 15:11:37 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Energy Management Working Group of the IE= TF. Title : Definition of Managed Objects for Battery Monitoring Author(s) : Juergen Quittek Rolf Winter Thomas Dietz Filename : draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib-09.txt Pages : 33 Date : 2013-07-15 Abstract: This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB) for use with network management protocols in the Internet community. In particular, it defines managed objects that provide information on the status of batteries in managed devices. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib-09 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-eman-battery-mib-09 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From Quittek@neclab.eu Mon Jul 15 08:21:52 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E39421F8476 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 08:21:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4tRDAVxqeg5S for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 08:21:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailer1.neclab.eu (mailer1.neclab.eu [195.37.70.40]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D29F121E805D for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 08:21:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailer1.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36D38104B41 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 17:20:59 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (netlab.nec.de) Received: from mailer1.neclab.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas-a.office.hd [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8JSAXz802mtq for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 17:20:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ENCELADUS.office.hd (enceladus.office.hd [192.168.24.52]) by mailer1.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B50DFFDC6 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 17:20:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from DAPHNIS.office.hd ([169.254.2.153]) by ENCELADUS.office.hd ([192.168.24.52]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 17:20:16 +0200 From: Juergen Quittek To: "eman@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [eman] I-D Action: draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib-09.txt Thread-Index: AQHOgW3BNG254k+ekk2RPQiX2ebqKZll2GsQ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 15:20:15 +0000 Message-ID: <9AB93E4127C26F4BA7829DEFDCE5A6E85A3721A9@DAPHNIS.office.hd> References: <20130715151123.27345.20356.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20130715151123.27345.20356.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: de-DE, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.1.2.165] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [eman] I-D Action: draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib-09.txt X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 15:21:52 -0000 Dear all, We just posted an update of the BATTERY-MIB module. The revision solves all= open issues we had in the previous version. Particularly it - fully integrates the ENTITY-MIB version 4 as mandatory component - has new notifications for battery removal and insertion - has a new notification for a 'critical' charging state of the battery - has merged the two notifications for high and low temperature into a si= ngle one - has a new notification for charging state changes that are locally init= iated - extends four notifications by means to report not necessarily always on= an entire battery, but also on particular cells within the battery We have two open issues still listed in the draft. One is on the treatment = of IDs in case of battery replacements. I hope we can discuss this at the s= ession in Berlin. The other one is rather a homework for the authors: imple= mentation compliance statements for the new notifications need to be revisi= ted. Please have a look at the draft and send your comments. Thanks, Juergen > -----Original Message----- > From: eman-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:eman-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Montag, 15. Juli 2013 17:11 > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: eman@ietf.org > Subject: [eman] I-D Action: draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib-09.txt >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories. > This draft is a work item of the Energy Management Working Group of the > IETF. >=20 > Title : Definition of Managed Objects for Battery Monitoring > Author(s) : Juergen Quittek > Rolf Winter > Thomas Dietz > Filename : draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib-09.txt > Pages : 33 > Date : 2013-07-15 >=20 > Abstract: > This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB) > for use with network management protocols in the Internet community. > In particular, it defines managed objects that provide information on > the status of batteries in managed devices. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib >=20 > There's also a htmlized version available at: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib-09 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-eman-battery-mib-09 >=20 >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > eman mailing list > eman@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman From internet-drafts@ietf.org Mon Jul 15 10:07:30 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87D8421F86AE; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 10:07:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.536 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.536 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.064, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PtHhH35fmU4z; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 10:07:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6915311E8133; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 10:07:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.51.p2 Message-ID: <20130715170728.27394.41947.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 10:07:28 -0700 Cc: eman@ietf.org Subject: [eman] I-D Action: draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-06.txt X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 17:07:30 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Energy Management Working Group of the IE= TF. Title : Power and Energy Monitoring MIB Author(s) : Mouli Chandramouli Brad Schoening Juergen Quittek Thomas Dietz Benoit Claise Filename : draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-06.txt Pages : 78 Date : 2013-07-15 Abstract: This document defines a subset of the Management Information Base (MIB) for power and energy monitoring of devices. = The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-06 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-06 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz Mon Jul 15 18:15:45 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 649B121E80CB for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 18:15:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3eOZvVMsHFYG for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 18:15:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx2.auckland.ac.nz (mx2.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.125.245]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4C0221E8055 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 18:15:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=auckland.ac.nz; i=@auckland.ac.nz; q=dns/txt; s=uoa; t=1373937341; x=1405473341; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject: content-transfer-encoding; bh=NoNH/1IeIAiMwV15cCdjqI0vQdhusPI0n8Vf3WFnnwA=; b=VzHKvE6isSfxH8LoqWH+qqOKvW5jJBz6zZSInpxyxbBTmmsT13fqWm/h ncuk2pU5FmH+f4D+Y1QQZZVXkWOZO33mgGwlt9+vZL/T938O+huPiyBbT BO9L+iKiZVogPUP2U5n7NXOUvMJERvjozOXBjjWsoHJREyDZ+1KTKLgc5 A=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.89,673,1367928000"; d="scan'208";a="199227767" X-Ironport-HAT: UNIVERSITY - $RELAY-THROTTLE X-Ironport-Source: 130.216.38.131 - Outgoing - Outgoing-SSL Received: from nevil-laptop1.sfac.auckland.ac.nz (HELO [130.216.38.131]) ([130.216.38.131]) by mx2-int.auckland.ac.nz with ESMTP; 16 Jul 2013 13:15:36 +1200 Message-ID: <51E49EB6.80709@auckland.ac.nz> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 13:15:34 +1200 From: Nevil Brownlee User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "eman@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [eman] Updated Agenda (-02) for Berlin X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 01:15:45 -0000 Hi all: The latest version of our agenda is now available at http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/87/agenda/agenda-87-eman Don't forget to read the Framework draft! Cheers, Nevil PS: To presenters - since our session is in the first time-slot of the week, please send me your slides by about 1800 on Sunday 28 July (or earlier) so that I can get them onto the Meeting Materials page! -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand _______________________________________________ eman mailing list eman@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman From moulchan@cisco.com Mon Jul 15 22:47:27 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38E1F21F8C65 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 22:47:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I1A1q4tUCBuY for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 22:47:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com [173.37.86.73]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57CEC21F8B35 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 22:47:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2026; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1373953642; x=1375163242; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:in-reply-to:content-id: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=EahKBDxPRP4r+VMX/XjgfMvkVwHSNSBdv6U7i1rC6Io=; b=hD4uBnONSJPz6Mu8et3x2Y9ax0/qylbXN57T+wYx7clvIrZyoiKV8nZa rig8tJ3lC6HpTc7PBVx/JWH3h/10j9gHOAslzkXikEnCU8/dSNiH3oAlm PEBblXMFcNiNwn7hOkTuUVO7Xr7cQ0uxJDvJSk4iqwwP55turVFufjfmj k=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhsFAOjd5FGtJV2Z/2dsb2JhbABagwY0SQbBXYEQFnSCJQEEAQEBNzQdAQgiFDcLJQIEEwgBiAcHBZVtoE+OM34COIMLbQOZBZAkgxKCKA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.89,674,1367971200"; d="scan'208";a="235247197" Received: from rcdn-core-2.cisco.com ([173.37.93.153]) by rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 Jul 2013 05:47:16 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x06.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x06.cisco.com [173.37.183.80]) by rcdn-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r6G5lGee008333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 05:47:16 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x08.cisco.com ([169.254.8.87]) by xhc-rcd-x06.cisco.com ([173.37.183.80]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 00:47:16 -0500 From: "Mouli Chandramouli (moulchan)" To: eman mailing list Thread-Topic: [eman] I-D Action: draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-06.txt Thread-Index: AQHOgX3l9g/MOT7tIkuE94Km6kw9UJlnfOEA Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 05:47:15 +0000 Message-ID: <852AF0ED49D9F24BBBFA1B4DEEBE3BA4287C2AD8@xmb-rcd-x08.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <20130715170728.27394.41947.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.5.130515 x-originating-ip: [10.142.100.81] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <84BEA34489751F41A21F097416C794EB@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [eman] I-D Action: draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-06.txt X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 05:47:27 -0000 Hello, An updated version EMAN Monitoring MIB has been submitted. Some of the important changes are: 1. Definition of Power States has been moved to EMAN Framework draft. The current draft focusses on the IANA considerations for the Textual Convention IANAPowerStateSet In line with the Power State Sets defined in the EMAN Framework 2. Thanks for the many comments and suggestion of Alan Luchuk and an MIB OID has been added to enable/disable PowerState Notifications. Remaining open issues can be closed once the Framework draft is finalised. Thanks Mouli On 15/07/13 10:37 PM, "internet-drafts@ietf.org" wrote: > >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >directories. > This draft is a work item of the Energy Management Working Group of the >IETF. > > Title : Power and Energy Monitoring MIB > Author(s) : Mouli Chandramouli > Brad Schoening > Juergen Quittek > Thomas Dietz > Benoit Claise > Filename : draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-06.txt > Pages : 78 > Date : 2013-07-15 > >Abstract: > This document defines a subset of the Management Information > Base (MIB) for power and energy monitoring of devices. > > =20 > >The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib > >There's also a htmlized version available at: >http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-06 > >A diff from the previous version is available at: >http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-0= 6 > > >Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > >_______________________________________________ >eman mailing list >eman@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman From bnordman@lbl.gov Tue Jul 16 15:30:34 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3057821F9F6E for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 15:30:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.976 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.976 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eUsTkXmEO7S1 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 15:30:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe2.lbl.gov (fe2.lbl.gov [128.3.41.134]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C016C21F9702 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 15:30:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Ironport-SBRS: 4.1 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiMCALnH5VHRVaA0jWdsb2JhbABXA4JCeEkGsAyJOIg9gQcIFg4BAQEBBwsLCRIGJIIjAQEBBHcSFgYDAQIvIhIBBQESAggGEwgBiAcHBZgJnUGOHQoHgSABFwYLg2gDiSeONYEpjj8WKYRYHIEsCRc X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.89,679,1367996400"; d="scan'208";a="24520358" Received: from mail-pb0-f52.google.com ([209.85.160.52]) by fe2.lbl.gov with ESMTP; 16 Jul 2013 15:30:27 -0700 Received: by mail-pb0-f52.google.com with SMTP id xa12so1174910pbc.25 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 15:30:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=+yZbpxZp2wbGRrDlGnxTgRtOCF4tMMXkEctU13ocI1o=; b=aOOUXC1K4xThi/0XlzQc0aFQ+NPpyGBwEeNcaRJzEnKLgcDqJRnqPyx3nrfH3nZKcY 4mgvuzbAd4eBORmrwUrghrHY8MIgBjbaMKSBJMcj7ushDVp6VXSijjlsGvPTAFdVajTU B/OKWIoM174W+DNDa9SDBkPoD/noZ7KtW6sRjSZpjA811P9gdYl/vUj0pQOQ7Rz7aJzf OJ7O/CFXI081hAXHkREOe7VAfzKBHkHNW+FvlX+98loto7sw5IfDegJDxDLyPECVNW/K 327TdHy75SWTfc8EUqA74cAj+H5wjCpEQFXF4f8YjL4Q/8hhQbxRHfF0x2yjbPiSDPeA 3c9w== X-Received: by 10.68.196.165 with SMTP id in5mr3792040pbc.0.1374013827935; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 15:30:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.196.165 with SMTP id in5mr3792036pbc.0.1374013827840; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 15:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.228.163 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 15:30:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130715224150.25127.13005.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <20130715224150.25127.13005.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 15:30:27 -0700 Message-ID: From: Bruce Nordman To: eman mailing list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff1c6442007eb04e1a88645 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnsdDj+1MmxeaqhiJqHAQeN4zOOjrMA8OwaMoSLyCKuiexFPvX9SbMgy3VvKoeefNW8EELqBUbGwXBGJy0ok4u92/vKLTJR0++Noap2Lin5VkclWANdHckaI1VWMIu/qr4Y6OT1 Subject: [eman] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-nordman-eman-er-framework-01.txt X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 22:30:34 -0000 --e89a8ff1c6442007eb04e1a88645 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have updated the Energy Reporting Framework (ERF) draft that I posted last week. The -01 version: --has some wording changes to clarify some points, --fixes reference formatting, --adds brand and model fields to the basic data, and --adds and drops some outstanding issues. I believe that this document is the best one we have available that meets the charter needs for the framework for EMAN. Compared to content of draft-ietf-eman-framework-08, the ERF is simpler while having more capabilities, and so should be easier to implement and use. Compared to the presentation of draft-ietf-eman-framework-08, the ERF is much shorter and I believe much more accessible to a variety of audiences - which will be important for EMAN to be successful. I look forward to comments on the list on how to improve this draft for a version -02. I am unable to be in Berlin but this draft will be presented there and so I look forward to the minutes from the meeting and any improvements to the draft that arise from that. (I will be off email the week of the IETF meeting). Thanks, --Bruce ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Date: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 3:41 PM Subject: New Version Notification for draft-nordman-eman-er-framework-01.txt To: Bruce Nordman A new version of I-D, draft-nordman-eman-er-framework-01.txt has been successfully submitted by Bruce Nordman and posted to the IETF repository. Filename: draft-nordman-eman-er-framework Revision: 01 Title: Energy Reporting Framework Creation date: 2013-07-16 Group: Individual Submission Number of pages: 28 URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-nordman-eman-er-framework-01.txt Status: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-nordman-eman-er-framework Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nordman-eman-er-framework-01 Diff: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-nordman-eman-er-framework-01 Abstract: Managing energy consumption of devices presents new challenges and issues. The EMAN Requirements draft identifies essential capabilities needed to accomplish this. This draft describes how an energy management system can use EMAN to gather and interpret data from individual devices, and how some of the Requirements are implemented in the model. This document focuses on Energy Reporting, though acknowledges and fully includes the limited control functions specified in the Requirements draft. Topics addressed in detail include the topology of power distribution, reporting mechanisms, and the various roles of devices, power interfaces, and components. The IETF Secretariat -- *Bruce Nordman* Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory *nordman.lbl.gov* BNordman@LBL.gov 510-486-7089 m: 510-501-7943 --e89a8ff1c6442007eb04e1a88645 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have updated the Energy Reporting Framework (E= RF) draft that I posted last week.

The -01 version:
--has s= ome wording changes to clarify some points,
--fixes reference formatting= ,
--adds brand and model fields to the basic data, and
--adds and drops some outstanding issues.

I believe that this doc= ument is the best one we have available that meets
the charter needs for= the framework for EMAN.

Compared to content of draft-ietf-eman-framework-08, the ERF= is
simpler while having more capabilities, and so should be= easier
to implement and use.=A0 Compared to the presentation of
draf= t-ietf-eman-framework-08, the ERF is much shorter and I
believe much more accessible to a variety of audiences - which
will be i= mportant for EMAN to be successful.

I look forward to com= ments on the list on how to improve this
draft for a version -02.=A0 I a= m unable to be in Berlin but this draft
will be presented there and so I look forward to the minutes from
the me= eting and any improvements to the draft that arise from that.
(I will be off email the week of the IETF meeting).

Thanks,

--Bruce

---------- Forwarded me= ssage ----------
From: <inter= net-drafts@ietf.org>
Date: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 3:41 PM
Subject: New Version Notification for= draft-nordman-eman-er-framework-01.txt
To: Bruce Nordman <bnordman@lbl.gov>


A new version of I-D, draft-nordman-eman-er-framework-01.txt
has been successfully submitted by Bruce Nordman and posted to the
IETF repository.

Filename: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0draft-nordman-eman-er-framework
Revision: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A001
Title: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Energy Reporting Framework
Creation date: =A0 2013-07-16
Group: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Individual Submission
Number of pages: 28
URL: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 http://www.ietf.= org/internet-drafts/draft-nordman-eman-er-framework-01.txt
Status: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0http://datatracker.ietf.org/d= oc/draft-nordman-eman-er-framework
Htmlized: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-= nordman-eman-er-framework-01
Diff: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0http://www.ietf.org/r= fcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-nordman-eman-er-framework-01

Abstract:
=A0 =A0Managing energy consumption of devices presents new challenges and =A0 =A0issues. =A0The EMAN Requirements draft identifies essential
=A0 =A0capabilities needed to accomplish this. =A0This draft describes how = an
=A0 =A0energy management system can use EMAN to gather and interpret data =A0 =A0from individual devices, and how some of the Requirements are
=A0 =A0implemented in the model. =A0This document focuses on Energy Reporti= ng,
=A0 =A0though acknowledges and fully includes the limited control functions=
=A0 =A0specified in the Requirements draft. =A0Topics addressed in detail =A0 =A0include the topology of power distribution, reporting mechanisms, an= d
=A0 =A0the various roles of devices, power interfaces, and components.




The IETF Secretariat




--
Bruce Nordman
Lawrence Berkeley National L= aboratory
nordman.lbl.gov
BNordman@LBL.gov
510-486-7089
m: 510-501-7943
--e89a8ff1c6442007eb04e1a88645-- From joelja@bogus.com Wed Jul 17 10:48:45 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4904821F9CC7 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:48:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.52 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.52 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.079, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TgZMGY0h-lKm for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:48:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com (nagasaki.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::81]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8050C21F92C2 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:48:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from joels-MacBook-Air.local (host-64-47-153-50.masergy.com [64.47.153.50]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r6HHmggo081780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 17 Jul 2013 17:48:43 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) Message-ID: <51E6D8F4.5010804@bogus.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:48:36 -0700 From: joel jaeggli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:23.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/23.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bruce Nordman , eman mailing list References: <20130715224150.25127.13005.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (nagasaki.bogus.com [147.28.0.81]); Wed, 17 Jul 2013 17:48:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [eman] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-nordman-eman-er-framework-01.txt X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 17:48:45 -0000 I'd like to thank you for staking out your argument with what's wrong with the current document out with text. Doing so is not a small effort. joel On 7/16/13 3:30 PM, Bruce Nordman wrote: > I have updated the Energy Reporting Framework (ERF) draft that I > posted last week. > > The -01 version: > --has some wording changes to clarify some points, > --fixes reference formatting, > --adds brand and model fields to the basic data, and > --adds and drops some outstanding issues. > > I believe that this document is the best one we have available that meets > the charter needs for the framework for EMAN. > > Compared to content of draft-ietf-eman-framework-08, the ERF is > simpler while having more capabilities, and so should be easier > to implement and use. Compared to the presentation of > draft-ietf-eman-framework-08, the ERF is much shorter and I > believe much more accessible to a variety of audiences - which > will be important for EMAN to be successful. > > I look forward to comments on the list on how to improve this > draft for a version -02. I am unable to be in Berlin but this draft > will be presented there and so I look forward to the minutes from > the meeting and any improvements to the draft that arise from that. > (I will be off email the week of the IETF meeting). > > Thanks, > > --Bruce > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: > > Date: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 3:41 PM > Subject: New Version Notification for > draft-nordman-eman-er-framework-01.txt > To: Bruce Nordman > > > > > A new version of I-D, draft-nordman-eman-er-framework-01.txt > has been successfully submitted by Bruce Nordman and posted to the > IETF repository. > > Filename: draft-nordman-eman-er-framework > Revision: 01 > Title: Energy Reporting Framework > Creation date: 2013-07-16 > Group: Individual Submission > Number of pages: 28 > URL: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-nordman-eman-er-framework-01.txt > Status: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-nordman-eman-er-framework > Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nordman-eman-er-framework-01 > Diff: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-nordman-eman-er-framework-01 > > Abstract: > Managing energy consumption of devices presents new challenges and > issues. The EMAN Requirements draft identifies essential > capabilities needed to accomplish this. This draft describes how an > energy management system can use EMAN to gather and interpret data > from individual devices, and how some of the Requirements are > implemented in the model. This document focuses on Energy Reporting, > though acknowledges and fully includes the limited control functions > specified in the Requirements draft. Topics addressed in detail > include the topology of power distribution, reporting mechanisms, and > the various roles of devices, power interfaces, and components. > > > > > The IETF Secretariat > > > > > -- > *Bruce Nordman* > Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory > *nordman.lbl.gov * > BNordman@LBL.gov > 510-486-7089 > m: 510-501-7943 > > > _______________________________________________ > eman mailing list > eman@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman From whming1986@googlemail.com Thu Jul 18 03:10:52 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7539411E8118 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 03:10:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.123 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.123 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_32=0.6, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lFBjFdmxkiQz for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 03:10:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pd0-x236.google.com (mail-pd0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c02::236]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8545D11E8110 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 03:10:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f182.google.com with SMTP id r10so2900428pdi.41 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 03:10:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=0yKVHSRhJoEF99iBEXkq2k1BCDjjCIqGiKtJRbNszKg=; b=lIx9FAqhtzoiSEwfyV5H9gRWJFS4JcpeDxJWERotFyXdEce0LyTw7Tc1IDQVzB3fpN F9BNApe02eyU6RkWBIKD+at+lUVDbznvfXjV58DQ/0pTVDMlGUMAVNCaZz3SPRN6EOkv cn74WeQ00zCHplKVNBy2FUilNrVyfhceyxici8EFfw/hreSaWG64iPHOUOgmcnyJut31 CLl2HS6Lj1bc/TZq46Y1h9d+E7TfuNQ71XarF1bJrde6Pgc1OawMLLcPE6TRufaqqgf4 nnSHQ84dkgEoorzKMEbUOaveOy6ewfpd5LqHC8C6011RkF4VWK8OFnPOPjg2A6xGP8Ls He+w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.179.35 with SMTP id dd3mr11141051pbc.199.1374142249323; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 03:10:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.72.138 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 03:10:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 12:10:49 +0200 Message-ID: From: =?GB2312?B?zuK7qsP3?= To: eman@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bacba82a4506d04e1c66c89 Subject: [eman] Review of draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-03 X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 10:10:52 -0000 --047d7bacba82a4506d04e1c66c89 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Authors, I have read the document of draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-03. It is a very useful document. I noticed some minor issues which I'd like to address. Mostly, they're typos. Also, there are some confusions which I would like them to be described more clearly. To further improve the document, the authors may consider the following comments. ------------ Abstract "EMAN" is explained in the abstract while "SNMP" and "MIB" are not. "SNMP" is short for Simeple Network Management Protocol and "MIBS" is short for Management Information Base, both are explained in the introduction. Maybe "SNMP" and "MIB" should be explained in the abstract as "EMAN". ------------ 1.1 People maybe not familiar with the YANG modules and NETCONF, some related references should better given. ------------ 1.2 To be easy to understand, different text dash titles could be used in this section, for example, "Applicability Statement [EMAN-AS] -- this document presents" or "--Applicability Statement [EMAN-AS]: this document presents". The sentence in Requirements [EMAN-REQ], "the scope of the devices considered", maybe "considers (lists) the scope of the devices" or "the scope of the devices is considered". ------------ 2.2 In second paragraph, "Monitoring the power consumption of the switch (supplying device) and the power consumption of the PoE end-points (consuming drvices)" can be simplified by "Monitoring the power consumption of the switch (supplying device) and the PoE end-points (consuming drvices)". In third paragraph, to be simple,"the power consumption of all the IP phones" could be replaced by "them", The third paragraph and the last paragraph is the same. Is it excess? ------------ 2.3 In third paragraph, "The wall outlet the PC is plugged in can be metered for example by a Smart PDU,or unmetered", may be " The wall outlet where the PC is plugged in, can be metered for example by a Smart PDU,or unmetered" is much more clearly. There is a point missing at the end of paragraph five. ------------ 2.8 In third paragraph, a phrase "in the event" is duplicated, and one should be deleted. ------------ 4.1.2.1 In third paragraph, people maybe confused about the word "eight" in the sentence "Power states are eight named operational and non operational levels", but only six levels named " On, Sleep-Light, Sleep-Deep, Hibernate, Off-Soft, and Off-Hard" can be found in the text. 4.1.2.2 In fist sentence," Desktop And Mobile Architecture for System Hardware", maybe "And" should be"and". In second sentence, after "etc.", there is a comma is missing. ------------ 4.3.1 In the third paragraph, "benchmarking" should be "Bechmarking". ------------ 4.3.2 In second paragraph, "Energy Star is a program; it is not a protocol or standard", may be "Energy Star is a program instead of a protocol or standard" is much better. Thanks a lot for your work, Best Regards Huaming WU PhD Candidate Institute of Computer Science Freie Universit=E4t Berlin Takustr. 9, D-14195 Berlin, Germany --047d7bacba82a4506d04e1c66c89 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Authors,
=A0 =A0 I have read the docum= ent of draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-03. It is a very useful docu= ment. I noticed some minor issues which I'd like to address. Mostly, th= ey're typos. Also, there are some confusions which I would like them to= be described more clearly. To further improve the document, the authors ma= y consider the following comments.=A0

------------
Abstract

"EMAN" is explained in the abstract while "SNMP" and = "MIB" are not.=A0
"SNMP" is short for Simeple= Network Management Protocol and "MIBS" is short for Management I= nformation Base, both are explained in the introduction.
Maybe "SNMP" and "MIB" should be explained in the = abstract as "EMAN".
------------
1.1
=A0 =A0People maybe not familiar with the YANG modules and NETCONF, some = related references =A0should better given.
------------
1.2
=A0 =A0To be easy to understand, = different text dash titles could be used in this section, for example, &quo= t;Applicability Statement [EMAN-AS] -- this document presents" or &quo= t;--Applicability Statement [EMAN-AS]: this document presents".
=A0 =A0The sentence in Requirements [EMAN-REQ], "the scope of the= devices considered", maybe "considers (lists) the scope of the d= evices" or "the scope of the devices is considered".
------------
2.2
=A0 =A0In second paragraph, "Moni= toring the power consumption of the switch (supplying device) and the power= consumption of the PoE end-points (consuming drvices)" can be simplif= ied by "Monitoring the power consumption of the switch (supplying devi= ce) and the PoE end-points (consuming drvices)".
=A0 =A0In third paragraph, to be simple,"the power consumption of= all the IP phones" could be replaced by "them",
= =A0 =A0The third paragraph and the last paragraph is the same. Is it excess= ?
------------
2.3
=A0 =A0In third paragraph, "= The wall outlet the PC is plugged in can be metered for example by a Smart = PDU,or unmetered", may be " The wall outlet where the PC is plugg= ed in, can be metered for example by a Smart PDU,or unmetered" is much= more clearly.
=A0 =A0There is a point missing at the end of paragraph five.
------------
2.8
=A0 =A0In third paragraph, a phrase = "in the event" is duplicated, and one should be deleted. =A0=A0
------------
4.1.2.1
=A0 =A0In third paragraph, people = maybe confused about the word "eight" in the sentence "Power= states are eight named operational and non operational levels", but o= nly six levels named " On, Sleep-Light, Sleep-Deep, Hibernate, Off-Sof= t, and Off-Hard" can be found in the text.
4.1.2.2
=A0 =A0In fist sentence," Desktop And Mobile Ar= chitecture for System Hardware", maybe "And" should be"= and".
=A0 =A0In second sentence, after "etc.", the= re is a comma is missing.
------------
4.3.1=A0
=A0 =A0In the third paragrap= h, "benchmarking" should be "Bechmarking".
--= ----------
4.3.2
=A0 =A0In second paragraph, "Ener= gy Star is a program; it is not a protocol or standard", may be "= Energy Star is a program instead of a protocol or standard" is much be= tter.

Thanks a lot for your work,

Best Regards
Huaming WU
PhD Candidate
Institute of Computer Science
Freie Universit=E4t = Berlin
Takustr. 9, D-1419= 5 Berlin, Germany
--047d7bacba82a4506d04e1c66c89-- From trac+eman@trac.tools.ietf.org Thu Jul 18 08:27:04 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ECA621F9635 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 08:27:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vjDJveIoTa+P for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 08:27:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8142821F9970 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 08:26:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46890 helo=grenache.tools.ietf.org ident=www-data) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Uzq6B-0003UI-Nn; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 17:26:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "eman issue tracker" X-Trac-Version: 0.12.3 Precedence: bulk Auto-Submitted: auto-generated X-Mailer: Trac 0.12.3, by Edgewall Software To: draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement@tools.ietf.org, b.hedstrom@cablelabs.com X-Trac-Project: eman Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 15:26:31 -0000 X-URL: http://tools.ietf.org/eman/ X-Trac-Ticket-URL: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/eman/trac/ticket/38 Message-ID: <063.6e606156e19b182c36ac2e30de665ef9@trac.tools.ietf.org> X-Trac-Ticket-ID: 38 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement@tools.ietf.org, b.hedstrom@cablelabs.com, eman@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: trac+eman@trac.tools.ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on grenache.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Resent-To: bnordman@lbl.gov, brad.schoening@verizon.net, moulchan@cisco.com Resent-Message-Id: <20130718152643.8142821F9970@ietfa.amsl.com> Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 08:26:42 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: trac+eman@trac.tools.ietf.org Cc: eman@ietf.org Subject: [eman] #38: Reference EnMS definition instead of redefining X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 15:27:05 -0000 #38: Reference EnMS definition instead of redefining In Section 1.5 of the draft, the EnMS term is somewhat redefined. Instead, the EnMS term should be referenced from the EMAN terminology draft draft-parello-eman-definitions-08 so that the framework has a consistent, single set of defined terms the industry at large can use and reference. Each EMAN term should be concisely defined in only one draft, and then referenced everywhere else to that draft. -- -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- Reporter: | Owner: draft-ietf-eman- b.hedstrom@cablelabs.com | applicability- Type: defect | statement@tools.ietf.org Priority: major | Status: new Component: applicability-statement | Milestone: Severity: - | Version: 2.0 | Keywords: -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- Ticket URL: eman From trac+eman@trac.tools.ietf.org Thu Jul 18 08:35:48 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AB4A11E80FC for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 08:35:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cP8x4rNEXXQK for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 08:35:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D51DC11E814E for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 08:34:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47483 helo=grenache.tools.ietf.org ident=www-data) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UzqDy-0008Ov-V2; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 17:34:34 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "eman issue tracker" X-Trac-Version: 0.12.3 Precedence: bulk Auto-Submitted: auto-generated X-Mailer: Trac 0.12.3, by Edgewall Software To: draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement@tools.ietf.org, b.hedstrom@cablelabs.com X-Trac-Project: eman Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 15:34:34 -0000 X-URL: http://tools.ietf.org/eman/ X-Trac-Ticket-URL: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/eman/trac/ticket/39 Message-ID: <063.f798c30dac13e134c4422d863fa66c86@trac.tools.ietf.org> X-Trac-Ticket-ID: 39 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement@tools.ietf.org, b.hedstrom@cablelabs.com, eman@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: trac+eman@trac.tools.ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on grenache.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Resent-To: bnordman@lbl.gov, brad.schoening@verizon.net, moulchan@cisco.com Resent-Message-Id: <20130718153445.D51DC11E814E@ietfa.amsl.com> Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 08:34:45 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: trac+eman@trac.tools.ietf.org Cc: eman@ietf.org Subject: [eman] #39: Energy Control not effectively drawn out in the use cases, or defined X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 15:35:48 -0000 #39: Energy Control not effectively drawn out in the use cases, or defined In the Applicability Statement, the "Control/Controlling" pattern is not drawn out in each use case, like the Metering/Powering/Reporting are. Use Case Section Description: In this section a selection of scenarios for energy management are presented. The fundamental objective of the use cases is to list important network scenarios that the EMAN framework should solve. These use cases then drive the requirements for the EMAN framework. Each scenario lists target devices for which the energy management framework can be applied, how the reported-on devices are powered, and how the reporting is accomplished. While there is some overlap between some of the use cases, the use cases illustrate network scenarios that the EMAN framework supports. Each Use Case has: The essential properties of this use case are: . Target devices: network devices such as routers and switches as well as their components. . How powered: typically by a Power Distribution Unit (PDU) on a rack or from a wall outlet. The components of a device are powered by the device chassis. . Reporting: direct power measurement can be performed at a device level. Components can report their power consumption directly or the chassis/device that can report on behalf of some components. In addition, I do not see a thorough definition of control in the draft to explain the meaning in this context. The definitions draft draft-parello- eman-definitions-08 provides a definition for Energy Control. This draft should reference that definition and use this term. The term definition in the Definitions draft does not appear to restrict the definition of Control to changing the energy/power state of a device. Is there a disconnect between these drafts in the meaning of "Control"? -- -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- Reporter: | Owner: draft-ietf-eman- b.hedstrom@cablelabs.com | applicability- Type: defect | statement@tools.ietf.org Priority: major | Status: new Component: applicability-statement | Milestone: Severity: - | Version: 2.0 | Keywords: -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- Ticket URL: eman From bnordman@lbl.gov Thu Jul 18 13:57:09 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDF2B11E820B for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 13:57:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.976 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.976 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Kv+9mpmwsGI6 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 13:57:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe1.lbl.gov (fe1.lbl.gov [128.3.41.133]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F5B11E8203 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 13:56:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Ironport-SBRS: 4.1 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap0BADRW6FHRVaAsjWdsb2JhbABXA4JCeVC4Cog8gQsIFg4BAQEBBwsLCRIGJIIlAQV5EAsLOyISAQUBHAYTCIgIDJhHnUaOTBIJgRgQBxGDawOJKI41gSmLAYM+FimCf4FZHA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.89,696,1367996400"; d="scan'208";a="23055077" Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com ([209.85.160.44]) by fe1.lbl.gov with ESMTP; 18 Jul 2013 13:56:20 -0700 Received: by mail-pb0-f44.google.com with SMTP id uo1so3608075pbc.31 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 13:56:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=ZfJGFiwnGFxQjU7vRLr/xUTYdpxDiozNTrE7BQSy0VA=; b=fz+lX5nU1Y7/lDAFelLiYDUY8o0MsCvzF8byaxovZPK+7SU4cSXNgc6pnGXHMH/Bst eHelLhaMPVsfOVucd0rpYPCSKL3NWjduE9KS6qpBkQMgP9DPH6e9Z9vgeJ8wA/E8xZZ2 /fnYXdlG1mLpCfalOasWqGM7UE5bdjseefc7yJNEKpUSlvZNnZknSwbnUX5j9UgIoqTS 5ToJ3ih9JBeRm9U5Omeyeg7yxQSS2CBW5ybCS+SC4Lv5wDNfBUvGIKn1zYZJaXkprBtv 1UTLbxwpjPMcAabkF4JcbE0j4wOOb+wxg6IqW4P7wBj2vmeJP1gezWfxLS82WeR7TJkU T2TQ== X-Received: by 10.68.52.10 with SMTP id p10mr13971371pbo.92.1374180980016; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 13:56:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.52.10 with SMTP id p10mr13971365pbo.92.1374180979917; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 13:56:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.228.163 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 13:56:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <063.f798c30dac13e134c4422d863fa66c86@trac.tools.ietf.org> References: <063.f798c30dac13e134c4422d863fa66c86@trac.tools.ietf.org> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 13:56:19 -0700 Message-ID: From: Bruce Nordman To: eman issue tracker Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54307a02a582b04e1cf71b7 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQk6udU5+uLnDDEdW13EUCFRVWSezRNa9XeOuBi+p7kS1hKwujmtuIX0fsfvVQcqw8H8etAn0eZaLQ+iSV6oTnsposb2MDmA4mOnzdho2vUynMHDTscVe3c3gZiXfR0LXJbx+qf/ Cc: eman mailing list , draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [eman] #39: Energy Control not effectively drawn out in the use cases, or defined X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 20:57:09 -0000 --bcaec54307a02a582b04e1cf71b7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In the EMAN charter, mention of control is mostly about power state control, with a mention of proxy control the only other use of the term. Thus, while Energy Management does include control, it is a small part of the total EMAN picture. In the requirements, of the several dozen in the draft, there is one on power state control, one on power interface control, and four on proxy control. So, control is also a modest part of our requirements. Given all this, I think it appropriate that control is given the degree of attention in the applicability statement that it currently has. With definitions in the Requirements draft, I don't think we need the definitions draft anymore. While the requirements draft defines "energy control", it does not use it. It is not a term I am familiar with and don't see that it adds value to have it. Referencing power state control and power supply control directly seems more clear. So, I think for how control is treated in the Applicability Statement, I think we are OK. Thanks much, --Bruce On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 8:34 AM, eman issue tracker < trac+eman@trac.tools.ietf.org> wrote: > #39: Energy Control not effectively drawn out in the use cases, or defined > > In the Applicability Statement, the "Control/Controlling" pattern is not > drawn out in each use case, like the Metering/Powering/Reporting are. > > Use Case Section Description: > In this section a selection of scenarios for energy management > are presented. The fundamental objective of the use cases is to > list important network scenarios that the EMAN framework should > solve. These use cases then drive the requirements for the EMAN > framework. > > Each scenario lists target devices for which the energy > management framework can be applied, how the reported-on devices > are powered, and how the reporting is accomplished. While there > is some overlap between some of the use cases, the use cases > illustrate network scenarios that the EMAN framework supports. > > Each Use Case has: > The essential properties of this use case are: > > . Target devices: network devices such as routers and > switches as well as their components. > . How powered: typically by a Power Distribution Unit (PDU) > on a rack or from a wall outlet. The components of a > device are powered by the device chassis. > . Reporting: direct power measurement can be performed at a > device level. Components can report their power > consumption directly or the chassis/device that can report > on behalf of some components. > In addition, I do not see a thorough definition of control in the draft to > explain the meaning in this context. The definitions draft draft-parello- > eman-definitions-08 provides a definition for Energy Control. This draft > should reference that definition and use this term. The term definition > in the Definitions draft does not appear to restrict the definition of > Control to changing the energy/power state of a device. Is there a > disconnect between these drafts in the meaning of "Control"? > > -- > -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- > Reporter: | Owner: draft-ietf-eman- > b.hedstrom@cablelabs.com | applicability- > Type: defect | statement@tools.ietf.org > Priority: major | Status: new > Component: applicability-statement | Milestone: > Severity: - | Version: 2.0 > | Keywords: > -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- > > Ticket URL: > eman > > -- *Bruce Nordman* Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory *nordman.lbl.gov* BNordman@LBL.gov 510-486-7089 m: 510-501-7943 --bcaec54307a02a582b04e1cf71b7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In the EMAN c= harter, mention of control is mostly about power
state control, with a m= ention of proxy control the only other use
of the term.=A0 Thus, while E= nergy Management does include control,
it is a small part of the total EMAN picture.

In the requireme= nts, of the several dozen in the draft, there is
one on power state cont= rol, one on power interface control,
and four on proxy control.=A0 So, c= ontrol is also a modest part
of our requirements.

Given all this, I think it appropriate th= at control is given the
degree of attention in the applicability s= tatement that it currently
has.=A0

With definitions = in the Requirements draft, I don't think we need
the definitions draft anymore.
While the requirements draft define= s "energy control", it does not
use it.=A0 It is not a term I = am familiar with and don't see that it adds
value to have it.= =A0 Referencing power state control and power supply
control directly seems more clear.

So, I think for how control= is treated in the Applicability Statement,
I think we are OK.

Th= anks much,

--Bruce

On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 8:34 AM, eman issue trac= ker <trac+eman@trac.tools.ietf.org> wrote:
#39: Energy Control not effectively drawn out in the use cases, or defined<= br>
=A0In the Applicability Statement, the "Control/Controlling" patt= ern is not
=A0drawn out in each use case, like the Metering/Powering/Reporting are.
=A0Use Case Section Description:
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0In this section a selection of scenarios for energy mana= gement
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0are presented. =A0The fundamental objective of the use c= ases is to
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0list important network scenarios that the EMAN framework= should
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0solve. =A0These use cases then drive the requirements fo= r the EMAN
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0framework.

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Each scenario lists target devices for which the energy<= br> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0management framework can be applied, how the reported-on= devices
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0are powered, and how the reporting is accomplished. =A0W= hile there
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0is some overlap between some of the use cases, the use c= ases
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0illustrate network scenarios that the EMAN framework sup= ports.

=A0Each Use Case has:
=A0The essential properties of this use case are:

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0. Target devices: network devices such as routers an= d
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 switches as well as their components.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0. How powered: typically by a Power Distribution Uni= t (PDU)
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 on a rack or from a wall outlet. =A0The compone= nts of a
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 device are powered by the device chassis.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0. Reporting: direct power measurement can be perform= ed at a
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 device level. =A0Components can report their po= wer
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 consumption directly or the chassis/device that= can report
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 on behalf of some components.
=A0In addition, I do not see a thorough definition of control in the draft = to
=A0explain the meaning in this context. =A0The definitions draft draft-pare= llo-
=A0eman-definitions-08 provides a definition for Energy Control. This draft=
=A0should reference that definition and use this term. =A0The term definiti= on
=A0in the Definitions draft does not appear to restrict the definition of =A0Control to changing the energy/power state of a device. =A0Is there a =A0disconnect between these drafts in the meaning of "Control"?
--
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=A0Reporter: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 | =A0 =A0 = =A0Owner: =A0draft-ietf-eman-
=A0 b.hedstrom@cablelabs.com =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 | =A0applicability-
=A0 =A0 =A0Type: =A0defect =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 | =A0
statement@tools.ietf.org
=A0Priority: =A0major =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0| =A0 =A0 Stat= us: =A0new
Component: =A0applicability-statement =A0| =A0Milestone:
=A0Severity: =A0- =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0| =A0 =A0V= ersion: =A02.0
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= | =A0 Keywords:
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Ticket URL: <http://tools.ietf.org/wg/eman/trac/ticket/39>
eman <http://t= ools.ietf.org/eman/>




--
Bru= ce Nordman
Lawrence Berkel= ey National Laboratory
nordman.lbl.gov=
BNordman@LBL.gov
510-486-7089
m: 510-501-7943
--bcaec54307a02a582b04e1cf71b7-- From moulchan@cisco.com Fri Jul 19 04:09:40 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B10911E8102 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 04:09:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FXKZCsaWL7k3 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 04:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com [173.37.86.80]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3271D11E80F8 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 04:09:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=3412; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1374232174; x=1375441774; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:in-reply-to: content-id:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=0ZGMaSVQTqJTgfGuLnGLqYQ9MaeNL4pqlKwDw286NJQ=; b=EZGIJK+hwcR4Swftf390uMJfX4hgWreCq3X+afldVJhZdqBWNyZs8B6N kXQgeEG354xeM3Ro4mTkJbaARC2w23KaPs1kJ9b+1b5f9AS9dFniy/t4T HfEvuZFo7E4vmeDMq+cLrUFWzjYn8cSj0CGi1J65pgULFMGOnqQwzQp4N w=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgMFADAd6VGtJV2Z/2dsb2JhbABagwY1UMBFgREWdIIkAQEBAwE6PwUNAQgiFEIlAgQBDQUIiAIGDLY9jkwSCXcxB4MObgOZBosBhSOBWYE5gio X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.89,700,1367971200"; d="scan'208";a="233882503" Received: from rcdn-core-2.cisco.com ([173.37.93.153]) by rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com with ESMTP; 19 Jul 2013 11:09:33 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x11.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x11.cisco.com [173.36.12.85]) by rcdn-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r6JB9X5w024713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:09:33 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x08.cisco.com ([169.254.8.87]) by xhc-aln-x11.cisco.com ([173.36.12.85]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 06:09:33 -0500 From: "Mouli Chandramouli (moulchan)" To: eman issue tracker , "draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement@tools.ietf.org" , "b.hedstrom@cablelabs.com" Thread-Topic: [eman] #39: Energy Control not effectively drawn out in the use cases, or defined Thread-Index: AQHOg8xTLL3+37WUxUiTMhMXwOOMMplsiU6A Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:09:32 +0000 Message-ID: <852AF0ED49D9F24BBBFA1B4DEEBE3BA4287C5615@xmb-rcd-x08.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <063.f798c30dac13e134c4422d863fa66c86@trac.tools.ietf.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.6.130613 x-originating-ip: [10.142.100.81] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <194EE339DEAB8849AA3112645172DB57@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "eman@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [eman] #39: Energy Control not effectively drawn out in the use cases, or defined X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:09:40 -0000 On 18/07/13 9:04 PM, "eman issue tracker" wrote: >#39: Energy Control not effectively drawn out in the use cases, or defined > > In the Applicability Statement, the "Control/Controlling" pattern is not > drawn out in each use case, like the Metering/Powering/Reporting are. > > Use Case Section Description: > In this section a selection of scenarios for energy management > are presented. The fundamental objective of the use cases is to > list important network scenarios that the EMAN framework should > solve. These use cases then drive the requirements for the EMAN > framework. > > Each scenario lists target devices for which the energy > management framework can be applied, how the reported-on devices > are powered, and how the reporting is accomplished. While there > is some overlap between some of the use cases, the use cases > illustrate network scenarios that the EMAN framework supports. > > Each Use Case has: > The essential properties of this use case are: > > . Target devices: network devices such as routers and > switches as well as their components. > . How powered: typically by a Power Distribution Unit (PDU) > on a rack or from a wall outlet. The components of a > device are powered by the device chassis. > . Reporting: direct power measurement can be performed at a > device level. Components can report their power > consumption directly or the chassis/device that can report > on behalf of some components. > In addition, I do not see a thorough definition of control in the draft >to > explain the meaning in this context. The definitions draft >draft-parello- > eman-definitions-08 provides a definition for Energy Control. This draft > should reference that definition and use this term. The term definition > in the Definitions draft does not appear to restrict the definition of > Control to changing the energy/power state of a device. Is there a > disconnect between these drafts in the meaning of "Control"? Hi Brian, =20 [EMAN-DEF] is the same terminology draft which has been integrated with EMAN-Framework draft. We shall update the applicability statement draft with after this WG meeting.=20 Secondly, we can add or call out for more context in terms of Control aspect.=20 For example in Section 2.2, Control has been mentioned in the use case "For each port, the PSE can control the power supply (switching it on and off) and meter actual power provided." Thanks Mouli > >--=20 >-------------------------------------+------------------------------------ >- > Reporter: | Owner: draft-ietf-eman- > b.hedstrom@cablelabs.com | applicability- > Type: defect | statement@tools.ietf.org > Priority: major | Status: new >Component: applicability-statement | Milestone: > Severity: - | Version: 2.0 > | Keywords: >-------------------------------------+------------------------------------ >- > >Ticket URL: >eman > From Quittek@neclab.eu Sun Jul 21 14:40:59 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 738CC11E8102 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 14:40:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x5caEPJMvR99 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 14:40:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailer1.neclab.eu (mailer1.neclab.eu [195.37.70.40]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4936911E80A5 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 14:40:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailer1.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0A3B104C34; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 23:40:14 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (netlab.nec.de) Received: from mailer1.neclab.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas-a.office.hd [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0aSDHtqCCixg; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 23:40:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from METHONE.office.hd (methone.office.hd [192.168.24.54]) by mailer1.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5F07104B6C; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 23:40:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from DAPHNIS.office.hd ([169.254.2.153]) by METHONE.office.hd ([192.168.24.54]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 23:40:23 +0200 From: Juergen Quittek To: Bruce Nordman Thread-Topic: [eman] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-nordman-eman-er-framework-01.txt Thread-Index: AQHOgnQkfCcqntj1TEqkl2Iq81TWO5lvbb6Q Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 21:38:53 +0000 Message-ID: <9AB93E4127C26F4BA7829DEFDCE5A6E85A37C48D@DAPHNIS.office.hd> References: <20130715224150.25127.13005.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: de-DE, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.7.0.200] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: eman mailing list Subject: Re: [eman] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-nordman-eman-er-framework-01.txt X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 21:40:59 -0000 Hi Bruce, I have reviewed the draft version -01.=20 Indeed this framework is using a "keep it simple" approach. It needs less concepts and much less text than our current=20 WG draft. The introduction of concepts in sections 2 and 3 is amazingly easy to read (considering the lengthy and complex discussions we had on the "right" concepts). Even with a reduced number of concepts it is still complete. And it still meets (at least almost) all requirements as stated=20 in our requirements draft (which has good chances to become=20 RFC before IETF#87). How requirements are met is described for each requirement. Section 3 This section give a good overview of power distribution and=20 reporting topologies. It lacks a discussion of the metering=20 topology. You list this as open issue #3 in section 8 and I think it is the most important of the open issues. Sections 4+5: purpose of the sections These sections serves two purposes at the same time.=20 One is listing which requirements are met and how they are met.=20 The other one is elaborating the framework and adding small features where needed to meet the requirements. This is not a straight forward approach, but the results seems to be compact and efficient. Sections 4+5: requirements and options There is a lack of clarity about requirements, recommendations and options in these two sections. It is often not clear which features=20 are MANADATORY, RECOMMENDED, or OPTIONAL, or something else, see the following examples: Section 4.1: "a widely useful feature is ..." Section 4.2: "the first item needed is ..." Section 4.2: "will typically be of the form ..." Section 4.3: "Each device provides a list of ..." Section 4.4: "They can be represented by ..." ... and so on. It would be helpful to state more clearly what the framework sees=20 as MUST, SHOULD or MAY, respectively. The introductions of section 4 says the "basic" features are "required". If they are=20 required it would be useful to clearly identify what is basic. It looks like even basic features have options. This does not mean that I=20 disagree with the proposed features, but I would like to better=20 understand which are essential and which not. Sections 4+5: data formats In section 4.2 you suggest using a string of the form "name=3Dvalue". In section 5.1 you suggest using "type:value". I am not sure these two fit well together. Detailed comments: Section 4.2, line 4: "will typically" -> "can be" Section 5.1, line 3: ", with each having" -> ". They can have" Section 8.2, line 1: "Framework draft" -> "Framework and Battery MIB drafts= " Cheers, Juergen Looking at the open issues listed in section 8, there is one That I think is most essential:=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: eman-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:eman-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of Bruce Nordman > Sent: Mittwoch, 17. Juli 2013 00:30 > To: eman mailing list > Subject: [eman] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-nordman-eman-er- > framework-01.txt >=20 > I have updated the Energy Reporting Framework (ERF) draft that I posted l= ast > week. >=20 >=20 > The -01 version: > --has some wording changes to clarify some points, --fixes reference > formatting, >=20 > --adds brand and model fields to the basic data, and >=20 > --adds and drops some outstanding issues. >=20 > I believe that this document is the best one we have available that meets= the > charter needs for the framework for EMAN. >=20 >=20 > Compared to content of draft-ietf-eman-framework-08, the ERF is >=20 > simpler while having more capabilities, and so should be easier to implem= ent > and use. Compared to the presentation of draft-ietf-eman-framework-08, > the ERF is much shorter and I believe much more accessible to a variety o= f > audiences - which will be important for EMAN to be successful. >=20 >=20 > I look forward to comments on the list on how to improve this draft for a > version -02. I am unable to be in Berlin but this draft will be presente= d there > and so I look forward to the minutes from the meeting and any > improvements to the draft that arise from that. >=20 > (I will be off email the week of the IETF meeting). >=20 > Thanks, >=20 >=20 > --Bruce >=20 >=20 > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: > Date: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 3:41 PM > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-nordman-eman-er-framework- > 01.txt > To: Bruce Nordman >=20 >=20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, draft-nordman-eman-er-framework-01.txt > has been successfully submitted by Bruce Nordman and posted to the IETF > repository. >=20 > Filename: draft-nordman-eman-er-framework > Revision: 01 > Title: Energy Reporting Framework > Creation date: 2013-07-16 > Group: Individual Submission > Number of pages: 28 > URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-nordman-eman-e= r- > framework-01.txt > Status: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-nordman-eman-er- > framework > Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nordman-eman-er-framewo= rk- > 01 > Diff: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-nordman-eman-er= - > framework-01 >=20 > Abstract: > Managing energy consumption of devices presents new challenges and > issues. The EMAN Requirements draft identifies essential > capabilities needed to accomplish this. This draft describes how an > energy management system can use EMAN to gather and interpret data > from individual devices, and how some of the Requirements are > implemented in the model. This document focuses on Energy Reporting, > though acknowledges and fully includes the limited control functions > specified in the Requirements draft. Topics addressed in detail > include the topology of power distribution, reporting mechanisms, and > the various roles of devices, power interfaces, and components. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > The IETF Secretariat >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > Bruce Nordman > Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory > nordman.lbl.gov > BNordman@LBL.gov > 510-486-7089 > m: 510-501-7943 From whming1986@googlemail.com Mon Jul 22 08:46:17 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EA0E11E80D9 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 08:46:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.123 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.123 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_32=0.6, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id teuwT3FjJs+v for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 08:46:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pb0-x22d.google.com (mail-pb0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c01::22d]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4317311E812F for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 08:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f45.google.com with SMTP id mc8so7214387pbc.32 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 08:45:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=nB4xh0hGp+dn2FQvVxcjsLxWAA0Eu/aAcpvC9Urt/OI=; b=BgTTk1ppn9hzqcrWyI+2hmQeOBhdrh7z5OFIRh9c8z2jz7ZrRqTdnDiIZcvH1OnZMg XR1DzuWY2aG9f5NuGTB/+533T0wwkMMhthtfHfklyE3cEckRRdOhT5P5RD30Dg8OdWkV KLn54S/8G3py3LeHe9N7xN2ieUzox3wGowyprIg3LIlFW+uiaEJaYprkabwkzGgoNDHO gLpu1dehrbOpS4Wx9f0MT1Qn1jx7HSKEXRo1nMNxy5QWxPl3ElfiCeozfjR872op94zz wn0E2Ya1hiRRyzhY3Tj8NtWpTKtiR5U950qdT8o8JZxiWotetb8wIe7L0EZhxs/kAHvY a8tA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.182.166 with SMTP id ef6mr32200912pac.35.1374507958891; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 08:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.72.138 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 08:45:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 17:45:58 +0200 Message-ID: From: =?GB2312?B?zuK7qsP3?= To: eman@ietf.org, moulchan@cisco.com, brad.schoening@verizon.net, bnordman@lbl.gov Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bd6ba88a1788904e21b921c Subject: [eman] Fwd: Review of draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-03 X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 15:46:17 -0000 --047d7bd6ba88a1788904e21b921c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Authors, I have read the document of draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-03. It is a very excellent document and are well writen. I noticed some minor issues which I'd like to address. Mostly, they're typos. Also, there are some confusions which I would like them to be described more clearly. To further improve the document, the following comments may be considered. ------------ Abstract "EMAN" is explained in the abstract while "SNMP" and "MIB" are not. "SNMP" is short for Simeple Network Management Protocol and "MIBS" is short for Management Information Base, both are explained in the introduction. Maybe "SNMP" and "MIB" should be explained in the abstract like "EMAN". ------------ 1.1 People maybe not familiar with the YANG modules and NETCONF, some related references should better given. ------------ 1.2 To be easy to understand, different text dash titles could be used in this section, for example, "Applicability Statement [EMAN-AS] -- this document presents" or "--Applicability Statement [EMAN-AS]: this document presents". The sentence in Requirements [EMAN-REQ], "the scope of the devices considered", maybe "considers (lists) the scope of the devices" or "the scope of the devices is considered". ------------ 2.2 In second paragraph, "Monitoring the power consumption of the switch (supplying device) and the power consumption of the PoE end-points (consuming drvices)" can be simplified by "Monitoring the power consumption of the switch (supplying device) and the PoE end-points (consuming drvices)". In third paragraph, to be simple,"the power consumption of all the IP phones" could be replaced by "them", The third paragraph and the last paragraph is the same. Is it excess? ------------ 2.3 In third paragraph, "The wall outlet the PC is plugged in can be metered for example by a Smart PDU,or unmetered", may be " The wall outlet where the PC is plugged in, can be metered for example by a Smart PDU,or unmetered" is much more clearly. There is a point missing at the end of paragraph five. ------------ 2.8 In third paragraph, a phrase "in the event" is duplicated, and one should be deleted. ------------ 4.1.2.1 In third paragraph, people maybe confused about the word "eight" in the sentence "Power states are eight named operational and non operational levels", but only six levels named " On, Sleep-Light, Sleep-Deep, Hibernate, Off-Soft, and Off-Hard" can be found in the text. 4.1.2.2 In fist sentence," Desktop And Mobile Architecture for System Hardware", maybe "And" should be"and". In second sentence, after "etc.", there is a comma is missing. ------------ 4.3.1 In the third paragraph, "benchmarking" should be "Bechmarking". ------------ 4.3.2 In second paragraph, "Energy Star is a program; it is not a protocol or standard", may be "Energy Star is a program instead of a protocol or standard" is much better. Thanks a lot for your work, Best Regards Huaming WU PhD Candidate Institute of Computer Science Freie Universit=E4t Berlin Takustr. 9, D-14195 Berlin, Germany --047d7bd6ba88a1788904e21b921c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Authors,
=A0 =A0 I have read the document of draft-ietf-eman-applicability-s= tatement-03. It is a very excellent document and are well writen. I noticed= some minor issues which I'd like to address. Mostly, they're typos= . Also, there are some confusions which I would like them to be described m= ore clearly. To further improve the document, the following comments may be= considered.=A0

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Abstract

"EMAN" is explained in the abstract while "SNMP" and = "MIB" are not.=A0
"SNMP" is short for Simeple= Network Management Protocol and "MIBS" is short for Management I= nformation Base, both are explained in the introduction.
Maybe "SNMP" and "MIB" should be explained in the = abstract like "EMAN".
------------
1.1
<= div>=A0 =A0People maybe not familiar with the YANG modules and NETCONF, som= e related references =A0should better given.
------------
1.2
=A0 =A0To be easy to understand, = different text dash titles could be used in this section, for example, &quo= t;Applicability Statement [EMAN-AS] -- this document presents" or &quo= t;--Applicability Statement [EMAN-AS]: this document presents".
=A0 =A0The sentence in Requirements [EMAN-REQ], "the scope of the= devices considered", maybe "considers (lists) the scope of the d= evices" or "the scope of the devices is considered".
------------
2.2
=A0 =A0In second paragraph, "Moni= toring the power consumption of the switch (supplying device) and the power= consumption of the PoE end-points (consuming drvices)" can be simplif= ied by "Monitoring the power consumption of the switch (supplying devi= ce) and the PoE end-points (consuming drvices)".
=A0 =A0In third paragraph, to be simple,"the power consumption of= all the IP phones" could be replaced by "them",
= =A0 =A0The third paragraph and the last paragraph is the same. Is it excess= ?
------------
2.3
=A0 =A0In third paragraph, "= The wall outlet the PC is plugged in can be metered for example by a Smart = PDU,or unmetered", may be " The wall outlet where the PC is plugg= ed in, can be metered for example by a Smart PDU,or unmetered" is much= more clearly.
=A0 =A0There is a point missing at the end of paragraph five.
------------
2.8
=A0 =A0In third paragraph, a phrase = "in the event" is duplicated, and one should be deleted. =A0=A0
------------
4.1.2.1
=A0 =A0In third paragraph, people = maybe confused about the word "eight" in the sentence "Power= states are eight named operational and non operational levels", but o= nly six levels named " On, Sleep-Light, Sleep-Deep, Hibernate, Off-Sof= t, and Off-Hard" can be found in the text.
4.1.2.2
=A0 =A0In fist sentence," Desktop And Mobile Ar= chitecture for System Hardware", maybe "And" should be"= and".
=A0 =A0In second sentence, after "etc.", the= re is a comma is missing.
------------
4.3.1=A0
=A0 =A0In the third paragrap= h, "benchmarking" should be "Bechmarking".
--= ----------
4.3.2
=A0 =A0In second paragraph, "Ener= gy Star is a program; it is not a protocol or standard", may be "= Energy Star is a program instead of a protocol or standard" is much be= tter.

Thanks a lot for your work,

Best Regards
Huaming WU
PhD Candidate
Institute of Computer Science
Freie Universit=E4t = Berlin
Takustr. 9, D-1419= 5 Berlin, Germany

--047d7bd6ba88a1788904e21b921c-- From jparello@cisco.com Mon Jul 22 10:19:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DB6A21F85BB for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 10:19:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ztl-sr7iPQI8 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 10:19:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com [173.37.86.76]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A16D21F8424 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 10:19:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=5059; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1374513553; x=1375723153; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=O11zmpD/U8pl8ASdVh6ItHYChnyB+duktEb8rXN0oqM=; b=l638Do04W5P/0MLMJdfOODOf5c8mxtpk1a70LULDTJFF5zAHIgR9Fdkr MRBem7lQ0JgDKaS2N1aXCpaavodU+lvcCn0RypOij8LkGng1SxGmUQ5TB 8TgFVg6iatxQw0Etke3yIHhuYWxY/KJMPYmbjUFALdDFG+cXJjA/G1f9I w=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjEFAOFo7VGtJXG9/2dsb2JhbABbgwY1UMAygRYWdIIkAQEBBAEBATc0CwwEAgEIEQQBAQsUCQcnCxQJCAIEAQ0FCIgHAQy3b45TEgl3MQcGgwpuA5kGiwGFI4FZgTmCKg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.89,720,1367971200"; d="scan'208";a="237902981" Received: from rcdn-core2-2.cisco.com ([173.37.113.189]) by rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 22 Jul 2013 17:19:12 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x06.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x06.cisco.com [173.36.12.80]) by rcdn-core2-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r6MHJCHW021247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 Jul 2013 17:19:12 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x04.cisco.com ([169.254.9.239]) by xhc-aln-x06.cisco.com ([173.36.12.80]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 12:19:12 -0500 From: "John Parello (jparello)" To: eman issue tracker , "draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement@tools.ietf.org" , "b.hedstrom@cablelabs.com" Thread-Topic: [eman] #39: Energy Control not effectively drawn out in the use cases, or defined Thread-Index: AQHOg8yvp5E+Mya0iUmbz0aiIGEU7Zlw845w Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 17:19:12 +0000 Message-ID: <9C213D38848B89428F46808B16F6F0862F4119@xmb-aln-x04.cisco.com> References: <063.f798c30dac13e134c4422d863fa66c86@trac.tools.ietf.org> In-Reply-To: <063.f798c30dac13e134c4422d863fa66c86@trac.tools.ietf.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [171.71.223.13] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "eman@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [eman] #39: Energy Control not effectively drawn out in the use cases, or defined X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 17:19:22 -0000 Hi Brain, Thanks! +1 on your comments. So I see two things you want that I agree with. 1) Spell out the use case for control in line with the other use cases 2) Definitions should be uniform and map to a common glossary draft I agree with those two points. Bruce commented that control is a "small part of EMAN". I disagree with tha= t. It's either part of the standard or not. Whether it's a small or large = portion is up to the deployment not the standard. If I deploy a standard, = the portions that are of concern to me may be much larger than that for oth= ers. So I may care about control more than some other deployment. Either way to your point the use case should be defined thoroughly. For the definitions I contend that the draft I proposed should be a WG item= . Each draft is free to list the definitions that apply therein. However t= here are definitions that apply to the energy management space in general t= hat are handy to list, both for our WG and other SDOs. Participating in other SDOs as I do I find this helpful and as you pointed = out for the Cable group already references. We've spent a lot of time gathering terms and concepts and to scatter them = in different drafts doesn't do a service to the information we gathered. We have precedence to define terms whether used in a draft or not AND wheth= er used for internet applicability or not. See RFCs: 1392, 2828, 4949=20 The glossary both in my draft and in the examples help define the space tha= t all the drafts use. I propose that the definitions draft be made a WG item after an edit that p= laces it in line with the formats of the drafts I cited. Jp -----Original Message----- From: eman-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:eman-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ema= n issue tracker Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 8:35 AM To: draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement@tools.ietf.org; b.hedstrom@cabl= elabs.com Cc: eman@ietf.org Subject: [eman] #39: Energy Control not effectively drawn out in the use ca= ses, or defined #39: Energy Control not effectively drawn out in the use cases, or defined In the Applicability Statement, the "Control/Controlling" pattern is not = drawn out in each use case, like the Metering/Powering/Reporting are. Use Case Section Description: In this section a selection of scenarios for energy management are presented. The fundamental objective of the use cases is to list important network scenarios that the EMAN framework should solve. These use cases then drive the requirements for the EMAN framework. Each scenario lists target devices for which the energy management framework can be applied, how the reported-on devices are powered, and how the reporting is accomplished. While there is some overlap between some of the use cases, the use cases illustrate network scenarios that the EMAN framework supports. Each Use Case has: The essential properties of this use case are: . Target devices: network devices such as routers and switches as well as their components. . How powered: typically by a Power Distribution Unit (PDU) on a rack or from a wall outlet. The components of a device are powered by the device chassis. . Reporting: direct power measurement can be performed at a device level. Components can report their power consumption directly or the chassis/device that can report on behalf of some components. In addition, I do not see a thorough definition of control in the draft to= explain the meaning in this context. The definitions draft draft-parello= - eman-definitions-08 provides a definition for Energy Control. This draft = should reference that definition and use this term. The term definition i= n the Definitions draft does not appear to restrict the definition of Cont= rol to changing the energy/power state of a device. Is there a disconnect= between these drafts in the meaning of "Control"? --=20 -------------------------------------+---------------------------------- -------------------------------------+--- Reporter: | Owner: draft-ietf-eman- b.hedstrom@cablelabs.com | applicability- Type: defect | statement@tools.ietf.org Priority: major | Status: new Component: applicability-statement | Milestone: Severity: - | Version: 2.0 | Keywords: -------------------------------------+---------------------------------- -------------------------------------+--- Ticket URL: eman _______________________________________________ eman mailing list eman@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman From moulchan@cisco.com Tue Jul 23 03:45:16 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9783221F9815 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 03:45:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at 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X-Trac-Project: eman Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:10:33 -0000 X-URL: http://tools.ietf.org/eman/ X-Trac-Ticket-URL: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/eman/trac/ticket/40 Message-ID: <063.e2f34fa1f5a2a144cbd1a5df6fb03ed1@trac.tools.ietf.org> X-Trac-Ticket-ID: 40 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement@tools.ietf.org, b.hedstrom@cablelabs.com, eman@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: trac+eman@trac.tools.ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on grenache.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Resent-To: bnordman@lbl.gov, brad.schoening@verizon.net, moulchan@cisco.com Resent-Message-Id: <20130723141048.9E79D11E8218@ietfa.amsl.com> Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 07:10:47 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: trac+eman@trac.tools.ietf.org Cc: eman@ietf.org Subject: [eman] #40: Use Case Patterns contribution for section 3 X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:10:50 -0000 #40: Use Case Patterns contribution for section 3 The attachment is a contribution to replace Section 3 of the applicability statement. It provides both a use case patterns matrix and a clear definition of the variables and their definitions while using a consistent verb syntax for the set of variables that are common across all the use cases in the applicability statement. -- -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- Reporter: | Owner: draft-ietf-eman- b.hedstrom@cablelabs.com | applicability- Type: enhancement | statement@tools.ietf.org Priority: major | Status: new Component: applicability-statement | Milestone: Severity: - | Version: 2.0 | Keywords: -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- Ticket URL: eman From bnordman@lbl.gov Thu Jul 25 15:43:19 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB02421F8F61 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 15:43:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.976 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.976 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kgE6RlqvhYCS for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 15:43:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe1.lbl.gov (fe1.lbl.gov [128.3.41.133]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8632F21F848A for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 15:43:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Ironport-SBRS: 4.1 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Am4CANuo8VHRVaArjWdsb2JhbABXA4JCeVC1IohCgQ0IFg4BAQEBBwsLCRIGJIIkAQEBAwEBAQFrCwUHBAsLBgQBASgHIgUNAQUBCwkIBhOICgYMm0CdQ449EgmBFQwEBgEGC4NvA4kqjjWBKYsBgz4WKYMBgVkc X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.89,746,1367996400"; d="scan'208";a="23659312" Received: from mail-pb0-f43.google.com ([209.85.160.43]) by fe1.lbl.gov with ESMTP; 25 Jul 2013 15:43:01 -0700 Received: by mail-pb0-f43.google.com with SMTP id md12so1298185pbc.30 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 15:43:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=psurbfIeC3LBventcBbJGDAPBSmwy1DV8aU+0ZOG40A=; b=HtmMdJbRGbRmw8TxsZLK8sK4XxPBw4uebZInmKIhse7eKCrizro7N01JaQDz/PDxWR zHsiyCiL7YI3StOkJbblPyGuZiufvC5Vzhv1pJEhed4fob0ceAkU4yXOhV1Ippbdc3kN OJjTkenCatfz8V0PxSJZQVypK+tNZCuxzJKD1xuiZGfb1vFA2ny74+KzuZ3lcgMUScL8 s40FH6oJyy5mnR0iHyqs0LVyY6b31xEuWei0ACE3X1cBGb+D909rclk2m8qJ7zEKnRif FqvxBy0JsayhQi//S3EkAK2Shioimcj/S5N80iNsvrKXlHXAMExHIa9v1dWvgqcmHKOU TgeA== X-Received: by 10.66.134.132 with SMTP id pk4mr50584197pab.20.1374792181095; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 15:43:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.134.132 with SMTP id pk4mr50584193pab.20.1374792180965; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 15:43:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.228.163 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 15:43:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9C213D38848B89428F46808B16F6F0862F4119@xmb-aln-x04.cisco.com> References: <063.f798c30dac13e134c4422d863fa66c86@trac.tools.ietf.org> <9C213D38848B89428F46808B16F6F0862F4119@xmb-aln-x04.cisco.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 15:43:00 -0700 Message-ID: From: Bruce Nordman To: "John Parello (jparello)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=485b395e779b96292604e25dbf80 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnZ4n6aV+Ij5cT1mwzN/LwWlvOgYjs11kowwr4f3UpuRuiuoeUIMwbUiyz2umLIJ85ube8VS0sBFep/k/SJiUwgGXFrSRCmnoSmPCWJPFWPFoYboMk2f7sc3x/y79uky4MV++LJ Cc: "eman@ietf.org" , eman issue tracker , "draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [eman] #39: Energy Control not effectively drawn out in the use cases, or defined X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 22:43:19 -0000 --485b395e779b96292604e25dbf80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Comments inline below. On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:19 AM, John Parello (jparello) < jparello@cisco.com> wrote: > Hi Brain, > > Thanks! > > +1 on your comments. So I see two things you want that I agree with. > > 1) Spell out the use case for control in line with the other use cases > The applicability statement seems fine as it is. The ability to control devices doesn't introduce new content into the framework or its applicability in the way that reporting or powering do. > 2) Definitions should be uniform and map to a common glossary draft > I thought we already put the definitions into the framework draft making it unnecessary to have a separate one only for definitions. Otherwise, why were they put into the framework draft? > > I agree with those two points. > > Bruce commented that control is a "small part of EMAN". I disagree with > that. It's either part of the standard or not. Whether it's a small or > large portion is up to the deployment not the standard. If I deploy a > standard, the portions that are of concern to me may be much larger than > that for others. So I may care about control more than some other > deployment. > No one said that control is not part of eman. I simply observed objective facts about how large a part of eman it is. For example, of 65 requirements, four are on the relatively obscure issue of proxy control, and of the remaining sixty one, 2 are about control and 59 are not. People may make good use of those features that eman specifies, and that is all to the good, but it doesn't change the objective facts about how much of eman content is about control. After today I am offline for a week and look forward when I return to hearing about progress on the list and at the meeting. Thanks much, --Bruce > > Either way to your point the use case should be defined thoroughly. > > For the definitions I contend that the draft I proposed should be a WG > item. Each draft is free to list the definitions that apply therein. > However there are definitions that apply to the energy management space in > general that are handy to list, both for our WG and other SDOs. > > Participating in other SDOs as I do I find this helpful and as you pointed > out for the Cable group already references. > > We've spent a lot of time gathering terms and concepts and to scatter them > in different drafts doesn't do a service to the information we gathered. > > We have precedence to define terms whether used in a draft or not AND > whether used for internet applicability or not. > See RFCs: 1392, 2828, 4949 > > The glossary both in my draft and in the examples help define the space > that all the drafts use. > > I propose that the definitions draft be made a WG item after an edit that > places it in line with the formats of the drafts I cited. > > Jp > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: eman-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:eman-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > eman issue tracker > Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 8:35 AM > To: draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement@tools.ietf.org; > b.hedstrom@cablelabs.com > Cc: eman@ietf.org > Subject: [eman] #39: Energy Control not effectively drawn out in the use > cases, or defined > > #39: Energy Control not effectively drawn out in the use cases, or defined > > In the Applicability Statement, the "Control/Controlling" pattern is not > drawn out in each use case, like the Metering/Powering/Reporting are. > > Use Case Section Description: > In this section a selection of scenarios for energy management > are presented. The fundamental objective of the use cases is to > list important network scenarios that the EMAN framework should > solve. These use cases then drive the requirements for the EMAN > framework. > > Each scenario lists target devices for which the energy > management framework can be applied, how the reported-on devices > are powered, and how the reporting is accomplished. While there > is some overlap between some of the use cases, the use cases > illustrate network scenarios that the EMAN framework supports. > > Each Use Case has: > The essential properties of this use case are: > > . Target devices: network devices such as routers and > switches as well as their components. > . How powered: typically by a Power Distribution Unit (PDU) > on a rack or from a wall outlet. The components of a > device are powered by the device chassis. > . Reporting: direct power measurement can be performed at a > device level. Components can report their power > consumption directly or the chassis/device that can report > on behalf of some components. > In addition, I do not see a thorough definition of control in the draft > to explain the meaning in this context. The definitions draft > draft-parello- > eman-definitions-08 provides a definition for Energy Control. This draft > should reference that definition and use this term. The term definition > in the Definitions draft does not appear to restrict the definition of > Control to changing the energy/power state of a device. Is there a > disconnect between these drafts in the meaning of "Control"? > > -- > -------------------------------------+---------------------------------- > -------------------------------------+--- > Reporter: | Owner: draft-ietf-eman- > b.hedstrom@cablelabs.com | applicability- > Type: defect | statement@tools.ietf.org > Priority: major | Status: new > Component: applicability-statement | Milestone: > Severity: - | Version: 2.0 > | Keywords: > -------------------------------------+---------------------------------- > -------------------------------------+--- > > Ticket URL: > eman > > _______________________________________________ > eman mailing list > eman@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman > _______________________________________________ > eman mailing list > eman@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman > -- *Bruce Nordman* Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory *nordman.lbl.gov* BNordman@LBL.gov 510-486-7089 m: 510-501-7943 --485b395e779b96292604e25dbf80 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Comments inline below.
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On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:19 AM, John P= arello (jparello) <jparello@cisco.com> wrote:
Hi Brain,

Thanks!

+1 on your comments. So I see two things you want that I agree with.

1) Spell out the use case for control in line with the other use cases
<= /blockquote>

The applicability statement seems fine as i= t is.
The ability to control devices doesn't introduce ne= w content into
the framework or its applicability in the way that reporting or
powering= do.
=A0
2) Definitions should be uniform and map to a common glossary draft
=A0
I thought we already put the definitions into t= he framework draft making
it unnecessary to have a separate one only for= definitions.
Otherwise, why were they put into the framework draft?

I agree with those two points.

Bruce commented that control is a "small part of EMAN". I disagre= e with that. =A0It's either part of the standard or not. Whether it'= ;s a small or large portion is up to the deployment not the standard. =A0If= I deploy a standard, the portions that are of concern to me may be much la= rger than that for others. So I may care about control more than some other= deployment.

No one said that control is not part of em= an.
I simply observed objective facts about how large a
pa= rt of eman it is.=A0 For example, of 65 requirements,
four are on the re= latively obscure issue of proxy control,
and of the remaining sixty one, 2 are about control and
59 ar= e not.=A0 People may make good use of those
features that em= an specifies, and that is all to the good,
but it doesn't change the= objective facts about how
much of eman content is about control.

After today I am o= ffline for a week and look forward
when I return to hearing a= bout progress on the list
and at the meeting.=A0 Thanks much,

--Bruce

Either way to your point the use case should be defined thoroughly.

For the definitions I contend that the draft I proposed should be a WG item= . Each draft is free to list the definitions that apply therein. =A0However= there are definitions that apply to the energy management space in general= that are handy to list, both for our WG and other SDOs.

Participating in other SDOs as I do I find this helpful and as you pointed = out for the Cable group already references.

We've spent a lot of time gathering terms and concepts and to scatter t= hem in different drafts doesn't do a service to the information we gath= ered.

We have precedence to define terms whether used in a draft or not AND wheth= er used for internet applicability or not.
See RFCs: 1392, 2828, 4949

The glossary both in my draft and in the examples help define the space tha= t all the drafts use.

I propose that the definitions draft be made a WG item after an edit that p= laces it in line with the formats of the drafts I cited.

Jp



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Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 8:35 AM
To: draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement@tools.ietf.org= ; b.hedst= rom@cablelabs.com
Cc: eman@ietf.org Subject: [eman] #39: Energy Control not effectively drawn out in the use ca= ses, or defined

#39: Energy Control not effectively drawn out in the use cases, or defined<= br>
=A0In the Applicability Statement, the "Control/Controlling" patt= ern is not =A0drawn out in each use case, like the Metering/Powering/Report= ing are.

=A0Use Case Section Description:
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0In this section a selection of scenarios for energy mana= gement
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0are presented. =A0The fundamental objective of the use c= ases is to
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0list important network scenarios that the EMAN framework= should
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0solve. =A0These use cases then drive the requirements fo= r the EMAN
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0framework.

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Each scenario lists target devices for which the energy<= br> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0management framework can be applied, how the reported-on= devices
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0are powered, and how the reporting is accomplished. =A0W= hile there
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0is some overlap between some of the use cases, the use c= ases
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0illustrate network scenarios that the EMAN framework sup= ports.

=A0Each Use Case has:
=A0The essential properties of this use case are:

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0. Target devices: network devices such as routers an= d
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 switches as well as their components.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0. How powered: typically by a Power Distribution Uni= t (PDU)
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 on a rack or from a wall outlet. =A0The compone= nts of a
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 device are powered by the device chassis.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0. Reporting: direct power measurement can be perform= ed at a
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 device level. =A0Components can report their po= wer
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 consumption directly or the chassis/device that= can report
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 on behalf of some components.
=A0In addition, I do not see a thorough definition of control in the draft = to =A0explain the meaning in this context. =A0The definitions draft draft-p= arello-
=A0eman-definitions-08 provides a definition for Energy Control. This draft= =A0should reference that definition and use this term. =A0The term definit= ion =A0in the Definitions draft does not appear to restrict the definition = of =A0Control to changing the energy/power state of a device. =A0Is there a= =A0disconnect between these drafts in the meaning of "Control"?<= br>
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=A0 b.hedstro= m@cablelabs.com =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 | =A0applicability-
=A0 =A0 =A0Type: =A0defect =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 | =A0statement@tools.ietf= .org
=A0Priority: =A0major =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0| =A0 =A0 Stat= us: =A0new
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--485b395e779b96292604e25dbf80-- From bnordman@lbl.gov Thu Jul 25 15:52:46 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76CA321F9130 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 15:52:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.976 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.976 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zCoVAfjLZQUD for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 15:52:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe1.lbl.gov (fe1.lbl.gov [128.3.41.133]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA79121F9133 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 15:52:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Ironport-SBRS: 4.1 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvECADOr8VHRVaArjWdsb2JhbABRBgOCQnlQq2oBiTeIQoENCBYOAQEBAQcLCwkSBiSDQwddEgEFASITiBCYR4J+nUOORQqBHiiDbwOJKo41gSmOPxYphFoc X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.89,746,1367996400"; d="scan'208";a="23660498" Received: from mail-pb0-f43.google.com ([209.85.160.43]) by fe1.lbl.gov with ESMTP; 25 Jul 2013 15:52:39 -0700 Received: by mail-pb0-f43.google.com with SMTP id md12so1305744pbc.30 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 15:52:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=eA4bf1UX0CxU2/10bfVgHvKHjGaP6hmgjYG6EZag1KA=; b=kiZ4uILt3Url5MVWwM/NBqE+7XyVl8Nc89/7pmlkmHHx3hHPzjHXAA2qgDcLmuEezg JwpwYLN9+uPWu6oI7KvdH4mjF3ldB6SWAyiIQYz4/FNgbdpBSft7+jSYyotU1BfNQTVZ p+HUS2zZThuYsBlpSKvyxLBh1pOQPfs1y+VrY1cufKyYljnLKqz5uizINzS2rznYsWh0 pS78qCsL5qnSI5YVQWfl4favj6THFHfuE42QBtBfOrxxabYvkonGWlZW2NLDJXzPKTFU ji9ey3iN+KOSkaNDg+NU3TyqoC0qG3dNnNakSS0WaODNtqQRDMwG24oCnSwDGzv4NkcL syfg== X-Received: by 10.66.134.132 with SMTP id pk4mr50612703pab.20.1374792759197; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 15:52:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.134.132 with SMTP id pk4mr50612695pab.20.1374792759088; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 15:52:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.228.163 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 15:52:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 15:52:39 -0700 Message-ID: From: Bruce Nordman To: eman mailing list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=485b395e779b0ba38604e25de2d1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlPTYo/xuz6lD7z91+pWhO15oZwN+FspvasagU8RIzpXcc4tWwS2e7xJHnjqcgielFw+8Is/NticGuDGQxBZuiaHOKkRGBADktaCp6/hdhhGLn2EdVtXgXHMoAxT0nsrXI2j9rg Subject: [eman] Duplicate requirements? X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 22:52:46 -0000 --485b395e779b0ba38604e25de2d1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In preparing the Energy Reporting Framework draft, I came across two requirements that seemed to me to address the same issue. They are: 8.1.2. Identity Of Other Power State Controlled Entities The standard must provide means for reporting the identities of the entities for which the reporting entity has means to control their Power States. Note that, in some situations, a manual configuration might be required to populate this information. 8.1.3. List Of All Power State Controlled Entities The standard must provide means for an entity to report the list of all entities for which it can control the Power State. or, a more abbreviated way of viewing these is: 8.1.2. reporting the identities of the entities for which the reporting entity has means to control their Power States. 8.1.3. an entity to report the list of all entities for which it can control the Power State. If they are duplicate, then I suppose any framework that meets one meets the other so there is no problem. If they have different meaning, we should know clearly what that is. Thanks, --Bruce -- *Bruce Nordman* Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory *nordman.lbl.gov* BNordman@LBL.gov 510-486-7089 m: 510-501-7943 --485b395e779b0ba38604e25de2d1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In preparing the Energy Reporting Fram= ework draft,
I came across two requirements that seemed to me to
address the same issue.=A0 They are:

=09 =09 =09 =09 =09
8.1.=
2.  Identity Of Other Power State Controlled Entities
   T=
he standard must provide means for reporting the identities of the
   entities for which the reporting entity has means to control their
   Power States.  Note that, in some situations, a manual configuration
   might be required to populate this information.
8.1.=
3.  List Of All Power State Controlled Entities
   T=
he standard must provide means for an entity to report the list of
   all entities for which it can control the Power State.
=09 or, a more abbreviated way of viewing these is:

=09 =09 =09 =09 =09
8.1.2. report=
ing the identities of the entities for which the
       reporting entity has means to control their Power States.
8.1.3. an ent=
ity to report the list of all entities for which it can
       control the Power State.
=09
If they are duplicate, then I suppose any framework that m= eets
one meets the other so there is no problem.=A0 If they have d= ifferent
meaning, we should know clearly what that is.

Thanks,
--Bruce

-- Bruce Nordman
Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
no= rdman.lbl.gov
BNordman@LBL.gov
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--485b395e779b0ba38604e25de2d1-- From bnordman@lbl.gov Thu Jul 25 15:55:30 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D953521F8426 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 15:55:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.976 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.976 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0GH3lBifZfKG for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 15:55:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe1.lbl.gov (fe1.lbl.gov [128.3.41.133]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F67D21F8F07 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 15:55:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Ironport-SBRS: 5.5 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AoACAFis8VHRVcCwm2dsb2JhbABQBwOCQnlKBqtsiTaIQoENCBYOAQEBAQEGCwsJFCiCJAEBAQMBJ0cJAgUHBAsLBgMBAQEoByISAQUBCwkIBhMJiAEGBwWbOZ1EjjgGBgQHgR0BEAYBBguDbwOJKo41gSmOPxYpgwGBWRyBLAkX X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.89,746,1367996400"; d="scan'208";a="23660771" Received: from mail-pd0-f176.google.com ([209.85.192.176]) by fe1.lbl.gov with ESMTP; 25 Jul 2013 15:55:19 -0700 Received: by mail-pd0-f176.google.com with SMTP id 14so925020pdc.7 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 15:55:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=ROtmXvzkdcB0azQMLWHDtC2K9QBeuUAyZ+9iKdvESWw=; b=fH213N/J0ce+pO8t/3v04STBvPmxBLpcy5wnTr6jYuuIt33mu37uuTMp8hbVj5BWaP y8cBzANAtG/sqIqogCHg6VrwaD9LkZbURLLTmxGkX9SldmqBlnY5wRASvUjSCOtyZyhN Sr9io026LfycJSW5RinbI97DRvHCV3vXVbWCmKPl4X6NDtqr4OVDQRoxN6kZ4GPSxrTZ 8UFmuR2My13jWbku20H6/+Lc9AS24aT61rCNX3Rxwm8YRpfMmsomvTQdz2laJrO8pFlK 6jR663INthEwvWL7Sff4mixVG1iyIBLoVH3Zq/uYbz+WnKx5EqisKsPT0OYdzSDBcQpj jbeQ== X-Received: by 10.68.196.134 with SMTP id im6mr50429872pbc.110.1374792919926; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 15:55:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.196.134 with SMTP id im6mr50429864pbc.110.1374792919806; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 15:55:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.228.163 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 15:55:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9AB93E4127C26F4BA7829DEFDCE5A6E85A37C48D@DAPHNIS.office.hd> References: <20130715224150.25127.13005.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <9AB93E4127C26F4BA7829DEFDCE5A6E85A37C48D@DAPHNIS.office.hd> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 15:55:19 -0700 Message-ID: From: Bruce Nordman To: Juergen Quittek Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff1c902a00b8b04e25deb8f X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkoiGC8BUKJ5jOi9kWsDiz0NrALmXQTR+Eda9XNTriu3HPJcY07qyVYkSzL/EupoicxmUlkYtuh+jfmp8saIa507Pirwa7qibyixbVjOIAtGBI26OB5/ogVCk2OJf0vv7GRNFni Cc: eman mailing list Subject: Re: [eman] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-nordman-eman-er-framework-01.txt X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 22:55:31 -0000 --e89a8ff1c902a00b8b04e25deb8f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Juergen-- These are all good comments I can incorporate into the next version. I look forward to review of this draft on the list by others to gather additional useful input. The only item I would disagree with is on metering topology. One cannot meter power differently from how it is distributed. Metering is something that occurs at a subset of points in a power distribution topology, so it is an aspect of power distribution, not separate. Thanks, --Bruce On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Juergen Quittek wrote: > Hi Bruce, > > I have reviewed the draft version -01. > > Indeed this framework is using a "keep it simple" approach. > It needs less concepts and much less text than our current > WG draft. The introduction of concepts in sections 2 and 3 > is amazingly easy to read (considering the lengthy and complex > discussions we had on the "right" concepts). > > Even with a reduced number of concepts it is still complete. > And it still meets (at least almost) all requirements as stated > in our requirements draft (which has good chances to become > RFC before IETF#87). How requirements are met is described > for each requirement. > > Section 3 > This section give a good overview of power distribution and > reporting topologies. It lacks a discussion of the metering > topology. You list this as open issue #3 in section 8 and I think > it is the most important of the open issues. > > Sections 4+5: purpose of the sections > These sections serves two purposes at the same time. > One is listing which requirements are met and how they are met. > The other one is elaborating the framework and adding small > features where needed to meet the requirements. This is not a > straight forward approach, but the results seems to be compact > and efficient. > > Sections 4+5: requirements and options > There is a lack of clarity about requirements, recommendations > and options in these two sections. It is often not clear which features > are MANADATORY, RECOMMENDED, or OPTIONAL, or something else, > see the following examples: > Section 4.1: "a widely useful feature is ..." > Section 4.2: "the first item needed is ..." > Section 4.2: "will typically be of the form ..." > Section 4.3: "Each device provides a list of ..." > Section 4.4: "They can be represented by ..." > ... and so on. > It would be helpful to state more clearly what the framework sees > as MUST, SHOULD or MAY, respectively. The introductions of > section 4 says the "basic" features are "required". If they are > required it would be useful to clearly identify what is basic. It looks > like even basic features have options. This does not mean that I > disagree with the proposed features, but I would like to better > understand which are essential and which not. > > Sections 4+5: data formats > In section 4.2 you suggest using a string of the form "name=value". > In section 5.1 you suggest using "type:value". > I am not sure these two fit well together. > > Detailed comments: > Section 4.2, line 4: "will typically" -> "can be" > Section 5.1, line 3: ", with each having" -> ". They can have" > Section 8.2, line 1: "Framework draft" -> "Framework and Battery MIB > drafts" > > Cheers, > Juergen > > > > > Looking at the open issues listed in section 8, there is one > That I think is most essential: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: eman-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:eman-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > > Of Bruce Nordman > > Sent: Mittwoch, 17. Juli 2013 00:30 > > To: eman mailing list > > Subject: [eman] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-nordman-eman-er- > > framework-01.txt > > > > I have updated the Energy Reporting Framework (ERF) draft that I posted > last > > week. > > > > > > The -01 version: > > --has some wording changes to clarify some points, --fixes reference > > formatting, > > > > --adds brand and model fields to the basic data, and > > > > --adds and drops some outstanding issues. > > > > I believe that this document is the best one we have available that > meets the > > charter needs for the framework for EMAN. > > > > > > Compared to content of draft-ietf-eman-framework-08, the ERF is > > > > simpler while having more capabilities, and so should be easier to > implement > > and use. Compared to the presentation of draft-ietf-eman-framework-08, > > the ERF is much shorter and I believe much more accessible to a variety > of > > audiences - which will be important for EMAN to be successful. > > > > > > I look forward to comments on the list on how to improve this draft for a > > version -02. I am unable to be in Berlin but this draft will be > presented there > > and so I look forward to the minutes from the meeting and any > > improvements to the draft that arise from that. > > > > (I will be off email the week of the IETF meeting). > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > --Bruce > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: > > Date: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 3:41 PM > > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-nordman-eman-er-framework- > > 01.txt > > To: Bruce Nordman > > > > > > > > A new version of I-D, draft-nordman-eman-er-framework-01.txt > > has been successfully submitted by Bruce Nordman and posted to the IETF > > repository. > > > > Filename: draft-nordman-eman-er-framework > > Revision: 01 > > Title: Energy Reporting Framework > > Creation date: 2013-07-16 > > Group: Individual Submission > > Number of pages: 28 > > URL: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-nordman-eman-er- > > framework-01.txt > > Status: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-nordman-eman-er- > > framework > > Htmlized: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nordman-eman-er-framework- > > 01 > > Diff: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-nordman-eman-er- > > framework-01 > > > > Abstract: > > Managing energy consumption of devices presents new challenges and > > issues. The EMAN Requirements draft identifies essential > > capabilities needed to accomplish this. This draft describes how an > > energy management system can use EMAN to gather and interpret data > > from individual devices, and how some of the Requirements are > > implemented in the model. This document focuses on Energy Reporting, > > though acknowledges and fully includes the limited control functions > > specified in the Requirements draft. Topics addressed in detail > > include the topology of power distribution, reporting mechanisms, and > > the various roles of devices, power interfaces, and components. > > > > > > > > > > The IETF Secretariat > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Bruce Nordman > > Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory > > nordman.lbl.gov > > BNordman@LBL.gov > > 510-486-7089 > > m: 510-501-7943 > > -- *Bruce Nordman* Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory *nordman.lbl.gov* BNordman@LBL.gov 510-486-7089 m: 510-501-7943 --e89a8ff1c902a00b8b04e25deb8f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Juergen--

These are all good comment= s I can incorporate into the next version.
I look forward to review of t= his draft on the list by others to gather
additional useful input.=A0 <= br>
The only item I would disagree with is on metering topology.
O= ne cannot meter power differently from how it is distributed.
Metering i= s something that occurs at a subset of points in
a power distribution to= pology, so it is an aspect of power
distribution, not separate.

Thanks,

--Bruce


On Sun, J= ul 21, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Juergen Quittek <Quittek@neclab.eu> = wrote:
Hi Bruce,

I have reviewed the draft version -01.

Indeed this framework is using a "keep it simple" approach.
It needs less concepts and much less text than our current
WG draft. The introduction of concepts in sections 2 and 3
is amazingly easy to read (considering the lengthy and complex
discussions we had on the "right" concepts).

Even with a reduced number of concepts it is still complete.
And it still meets (at least almost) all requirements as stated
in our requirements draft (which has good chances to become
RFC before IETF#87). How requirements are met is described
for each requirement.

Section 3
This section give a good overview of power distribution and
reporting topologies. It lacks a discussion of the metering
topology. You list this as open issue #3 in section 8 and I think
it is the most important of the open issues.

Sections 4+5: purpose of the sections
These sections serves two purposes at the same time.
One is listing which requirements are met and how they are met.
The other one is elaborating the framework and adding small
features where needed to meet the requirements. This is not a
straight forward approach, but the results seems to be compact
and efficient.

Sections 4+5: requirements and options
There is a lack of clarity about requirements, recommendations
and options in these two sections. It is often not clear which features
are MANADATORY, RECOMMENDED, or OPTIONAL, or something else,
see the following examples:
=A0 =A0Section 4.1: "a widely useful feature is ..."
=A0 =A0Section 4.2: "the first item needed is ..."
=A0 =A0Section 4.2: "will typically be of the form ..."
=A0 =A0Section 4.3: "Each device provides a list of ..."
=A0 =A0Section 4.4: "They can be represented =A0by ..."
... and so on.
It would be helpful to state more clearly what the framework sees
as MUST, SHOULD or MAY, respectively. The introductions of
section 4 says the "basic" features are "required". If = they are
required it would be useful to clearly identify what is basic. It looks
like even basic features have options. This does not mean that I
disagree with the proposed features, but I would like to better
understand which are essential and which not.

Sections 4+5: data formats
In section 4.2 you suggest using a string of the form "name=3Dvalue&qu= ot;.
In section 5.1 you suggest using "type:value".
I am not sure these two fit well together.

Detailed comments:
Section 4.2, line 4: "will typically" -> "can be" Section 5.1, line 3: ", with each having" -> ". They can = have"
Section 8.2, line 1: "Framework draft" -> "Framework and = Battery MIB drafts"

Cheers,
=A0 =A0 Juergen




Looking at the open issues listed in section 8, there is one
That I think is most essential:


> -----Original Message-----
> From: eman-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:eman-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
> Of Bruce Nordman
> Sent: Mittwoch, 17. Juli 2013 00:30
> To: eman mailing list
> Subject: [eman] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-nordman-eman-e= r-
> framework-01.txt
>
> I have updated the Energy Reporting Framework (ERF) draft that I poste= d last
> week.
>
>
> The -01 version:
> --has some wording changes to clarify some points, --fixes reference > formatting,
>
> --adds brand and model fields to the basic data, and
>
> --adds and drops some outstanding issues.
>
> I believe that this document is the best one we have available that me= ets the
> charter needs for the framework for EMAN.
>
>
> Compared to content of draft-ietf-eman-framework-08, the ERF is
>
> simpler while having more capabilities, and so should be easier to imp= lement
> and use. =A0Compared to the presentation of draft-ietf-eman-framework-= 08,
> the ERF is much shorter and I believe much more accessible to a variet= y of
> audiences - which will be important for EMAN to be successful.
>
>
> I look forward to comments on the list on how to improve this draft fo= r a
> version -02. =A0I am unable to be in Berlin but this draft will be pre= sented there
> and so I look forward to the minutes from the meeting and any
> improvements to the draft that arise from that.
>
> (I will be off email the week of the IETF meeting).
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> --Bruce
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: <
internet-drafts@= ietf.org>
> Date: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 3:41 PM
> Subject: New Version Notification for draft-nordman-eman-er-framework-=
> 01.txt
> To: Bruce Nordman <bnordman@lbl= .gov>
>
>
>
> A new version of I-D, draft-nordman-eman-er-framework-01.txt
> has been successfully submitted by Bruce Nordman and posted to the IET= F
> repository.
>
> Filename: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0draft-nordman-eman-er-framework
> Revision: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A001
> Title: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Energy Reporting Framework
> Creation date: =A0 2013-07-16
> Group: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Individual Submission
> Number of pages: 28
> URL: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 http://www.ietf.org/interne= t-drafts/draft-nordman-eman-er-
> framework-01.txt
> Status: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/d= raft-nordman-eman-er-
> framework
> Htmlized: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0http://tools.ietf.org/html/dra= ft-nordman-eman-er-framework-
> 01
> Diff: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?= url2=3Ddraft-nordman-eman-er-
> framework-01
>
> Abstract:
> =A0 =A0Managing energy consumption of devices presents new challenges = and
> =A0 =A0issues. =A0The EMAN Requirements draft identifies essential
> =A0 =A0capabilities needed to accomplish this. =A0This draft describes= how an
> =A0 =A0energy management system can use EMAN to gather and interpret d= ata
> =A0 =A0from individual devices, and how some of the Requirements are > =A0 =A0implemented in the model. =A0This document focuses on Energy Re= porting,
> =A0 =A0though acknowledges and fully includes the limited control func= tions
> =A0 =A0specified in the Requirements draft. =A0Topics addressed in det= ail
> =A0 =A0include the topology of power distribution, reporting mechanism= s, and
> =A0 =A0the various roles of devices, power interfaces, and components.=
>
>
>
>
> The IETF Secretariat
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Bruce Nordman
> Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
> nordman.lbl.gov
> BNordman@LBL.gov
>
510-486-7089 > m: 510-501-7943




--
Bruce Nordman
L= awrence Berkeley National Laboratory
nordman.lbl.= gov
BNordman@LBL.gov
510-486-7089
m: 510-501-7943
--e89a8ff1c902a00b8b04e25deb8f-- From jparello@cisco.com Thu Jul 25 21:03:28 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D71C521F84CD for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 21:03:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.3 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.3 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9a0ZotFeCC9V for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 21:03:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com [173.37.86.76]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E528321F8D10 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 21:03:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=7706; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1374811404; x=1376021004; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=kjShrCRJee9cMPhyXLmFtSxzRPmX0rB26aAXW0Jxzn0=; b=Jw2PwKo7zxOR9+uy3Yjv4AInPHG5sfje7DM53uYAu5vBum3tzw78ClL/ Y/zTgGP9mzpxjP8WEyAxmSsM48dY3zk8NeeWYEnzjSlGaASiSNzW4qEiR hEfLYQnnsmMIWtoGHvnHjd7tShf48FAJ6UxdhKS38SJ3RbnEU3mQ2UYSJ Q=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhQFANPz8VGtJV2a/2dsb2JhbABXA4MGNVC9ZoEVFnSCJAEBAQQBAQE3NAsMBAIBCA4DBAEBCxQJBycLFAkIAgQOBQiIBwEMuQWOPRIJdCEQBwYLgwFuA5kIiwGFI4FbgTmCKg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.89,748,1367971200"; d="scan'208";a="239696814" Received: from rcdn-core-3.cisco.com ([173.37.93.154]) by rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 26 Jul 2013 04:03:23 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x03.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x03.cisco.com [173.36.12.77]) by rcdn-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r6Q43M3Z002682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Fri, 26 Jul 2013 04:03:22 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x04.cisco.com ([169.254.9.242]) by xhc-aln-x03.cisco.com ([173.36.12.77]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 23:03:22 -0500 From: "John Parello (jparello)" To: Bruce Nordman Thread-Topic: [eman] #39: Energy Control not effectively drawn out in the use cases, or defined Thread-Index: AQHOg8yvp5E+Mya0iUmbz0aiIGEU7Zlw845wgAVpSwCAAAQfoA== Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 04:03:22 +0000 Message-ID: <9C213D38848B89428F46808B16F6F08631B963@xmb-aln-x04.cisco.com> References: <063.f798c30dac13e134c4422d863fa66c86@trac.tools.ietf.org> <9C213D38848B89428F46808B16F6F0862F4119@xmb-aln-x04.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [171.71.223.13] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "eman@ietf.org" , eman issue tracker , "draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [eman] #39: Energy Control not effectively drawn out in the use cases, or defined X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 04:03:29 -0000 Hi Bruce, I agree with Brian the use cases needs to be further explained. He proposed= great text for an addition which I think should be incorporated. You didn't read my reply regarding glossary past your signature?. The draft= s have only what they use not a full glossary of terms as in the examples = I sited. So I contend a glossary is useful for the reasons I cited. ACK on your count of requirements if that's what you meant. If you meant co= ntrol is a small part of the system or spec then NACK on that. You can have= one requirement filling up more of the information model etc. Minor point. Have a great time off! Jp -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Nordman [mailto:bnordman@lbl.gov]=20 Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 3:43 PM To: John Parello (jparello) Cc: eman issue tracker; draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement@tools.ietf.= org; b.hedstrom@cablelabs.com; eman@ietf.org Subject: Re: [eman] #39: Energy Control not effectively drawn out in the us= e cases, or defined Comments inline below. On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:19 AM, John Parello (jparello) wrote: Hi Brain, =09 Thanks! =09 +1 on your comments. So I see two things you want that I agree with. =09 1) Spell out the use case for control in line with the other use cases =09 The applicability statement seems fine as it is. The ability to control devices doesn't introduce new content into the frame= work or its applicability in the way that reporting or powering do. =20 2) Definitions should be uniform and map to a common glossary draft =09 =20 I thought we already put the definitions into the framework draft making it= unnecessary to have a separate one only for definitions. Otherwise, why were they put into the framework draft? I agree with those two points. =09 Bruce commented that control is a "small part of EMAN". I disagree with th= at. It's either part of the standard or not. Whether it's a small or large= portion is up to the deployment not the standard. If I deploy a standard,= the portions that are of concern to me may be much larger than that for ot= hers. So I may care about control more than some other deployment. =09 No one said that control is not part of eman. I simply observed objective facts about how large a part of eman it is. Fo= r example, of 65 requirements, four are on the relatively obscure issue of = proxy control, and of the remaining sixty one, 2 are about control and 59 are not. People may make good use of those=20 features that eman specifies, and that is all to the good, but it doesn't c= hange the objective facts about how much of eman content is about control. After today I am offline for a week and look forward when I return to hearing about progress on the list and at the meeting. Th= anks much, --Bruce=20 Either way to your point the use case should be defined thoroughly. =09 For the definitions I contend that the draft I proposed should be a WG ite= m. Each draft is free to list the definitions that apply therein. However = there are definitions that apply to the energy management space in general = that are handy to list, both for our WG and other SDOs. =09 Participating in other SDOs as I do I find this helpful and as you pointed= out for the Cable group already references. =09 We've spent a lot of time gathering terms and concepts and to scatter them= in different drafts doesn't do a service to the information we gathered. =09 We have precedence to define terms whether used in a draft or not AND whet= her used for internet applicability or not. See RFCs: 1392, 2828, 4949 =09 The glossary both in my draft and in the examples help define the space th= at all the drafts use. =09 I propose that the definitions draft be made a WG item after an edit that = places it in line with the formats of the drafts I cited. =09 Jp =09 =09 =09 -----Original Message----- From: eman-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:eman-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of em= an issue tracker Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 8:35 AM To: draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement@tools.ietf.org; b.hedstrom@cab= lelabs.com Cc: eman@ietf.org Subject: [eman] #39: Energy Control not effectively drawn out in the use c= ases, or defined =09 #39: Energy Control not effectively drawn out in the use cases, or defined =09 In the Applicability Statement, the "Control/Controlling" pattern is not = drawn out in each use case, like the Metering/Powering/Reporting are. =09 Use Case Section Description: In this section a selection of scenarios for energy management are presented. The fundamental objective of the use cases is to list important network scenarios that the EMAN framework should solve. These use cases then drive the requirements for the EMAN framework. =09 Each scenario lists target devices for which the energy management framework can be applied, how the reported-on devices are powered, and how the reporting is accomplished. While there is some overlap between some of the use cases, the use cases illustrate network scenarios that the EMAN framework supports. =09 Each Use Case has: The essential properties of this use case are: =09 . Target devices: network devices such as routers and switches as well as their components. . How powered: typically by a Power Distribution Unit (PDU) on a rack or from a wall outlet. The components of a device are powered by the device chassis. . Reporting: direct power measurement can be performed at a device level. Components can report their power consumption directly or the chassis/device that can report on behalf of some components. In addition, I do not see a thorough definition of control in the draft t= o explain the meaning in this context. The definitions draft draft-parell= o- eman-definitions-08 provides a definition for Energy Control. This draft = should reference that definition and use this term. The term definition = in the Definitions draft does not appear to restrict the definition of Con= trol to changing the energy/power state of a device. Is there a disconnec= t between these drafts in the meaning of "Control"? =09 -- -------------------------------------+---------------------------------- -------------------------------------+--- Reporter: | Owner: draft-ietf-eman- b.hedstrom@cablelabs.com | applicability- Type: defect | statement@tools.ietf.org Priority: major | Status: new Component: applicability-statement | Milestone: Severity: - | Version: 2.0 | Keywords: -------------------------------------+---------------------------------- -------------------------------------+--- =09 Ticket URL: eman =09 _______________________________________________ eman mailing list eman@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman _______________________________________________ eman mailing list eman@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman =09 -- Bruce Nordman Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory nordman.lbl.gov BNordman@LBL.gov 510-486-7089 m: 510-501-7943 From ietf-ipr@ietf.org Sat Jul 27 06:05:44 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8424721F9B03; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 06:05:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.389 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.389 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.211, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4XDXlIBRpkZy; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 06:05:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E37CB21F8BCE; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 06:05:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: IETF Secretariat To: jparello@cisco.com,bclaise@cisco.com,moulchan@cisco.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.60p1 Message-ID: <20130727130543.16278.71217.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 06:05:43 -0700 Cc: eman@ietf.org, ipr-announce@ietf.org Subject: [eman] IPR Disclosure: Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-09 X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 13:05:44 -0000 Dear John Parello, Benoit Claise, Mouli Chandramouli: An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "Energy Ob= ject Context MIB" (draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on 2013-07-26 and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellec= tual Property Rights Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2145/). The = title of the IPR disclosure is "Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-ietf-em= an- energy-aware-mib-09.""); The IETF Secretariat From ietf-ipr@ietf.org Sat Jul 27 06:21:23 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFB0421F9B52; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 06:21:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.434 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.434 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.166, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N4XiVjyVOuKk; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 06:21:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9413F21F9AD3; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 06:21:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: IETF Secretariat To: bclaise@cisco.com, quittek@neclab.eu, moulchan@cisco.com, Thomas.Dietz@neclab.eu, brad.schoening@verizon.net X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.60p1 Message-ID: <20130727132123.8730.88242.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 06:21:23 -0700 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 11:39:13 -0700 Cc: eman@ietf.org, ipr-announce@ietf.org Subject: [eman] IPR Disclosure: Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-06 X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 13:21:24 -0000 Dear Benoit Claise, Juergen Quittek, Mouli Chandramouli, Thomas Dietz, Brad= Schoening: An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "Power and Energy Monitoring MIB" (draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib) was submitte= d to the IETF Secretariat on 2013-07-26 and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2147/). The title of the IPR disclosure is "Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring- mib-06.""); The IETF Secretariat From jparello@cisco.com Sat Jul 27 23:41:21 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 851CF21F9C53 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 23:41:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.874 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.874 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.552, HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_04=0.172, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W91LnM2aJwpM for ; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 23:41:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.86.74]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B2F421F9BF7 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 23:41:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=116872; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1374993668; x=1376203268; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=DGrgpwPizQWiEmIisUzaHz0sR6NjZRE17d1b+s8g55o=; b=LtQpcPpSEeT2aMsuSkoSCOiI0wjseVP+Pj0YR7BFJL5vBgXQ1QkIIDOZ 1PVSuGkQ5H08uo+2cU+3uJuf4jRx3Jjma5fSmlBLeJRdHZzLvkC59B9LN DUTbtYUB+l7aagkVJ2RRrA3/NUFVGVGW2qySL894ou01XYrrPfxFrDRYb U=; X-Files: EnergyManagementControl.PNG : 82028 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtsKAFq89FGtJV2c/2dsb2JhbABXAw6CPAQ4vleBFxZ0giQBAQEEBXQQAgEJAxECBgEBAR8HAhUBDgwUCQgCBAENBAEGCIgCt2SPUhALEAYBAgICC4MFbwOQEoEtAYYfkUyCVj4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.89,762,1367971200"; d="png'150?scan'150,208,217,150";a="240442456" Received: from rcdn-core-5.cisco.com ([173.37.93.156]) by rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Jul 2013 06:41:06 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x04.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x04.cisco.com [173.36.12.78]) by rcdn-core-5.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r6S6f61w011756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Sun, 28 Jul 2013 06:41:06 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x04.cisco.com ([169.254.9.242]) by xhc-aln-x04.cisco.com ([173.36.12.78]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 01:41:06 -0500 From: "John Parello (jparello)" To: bud Brad Schoenig , "Benoit Claise (bclaise)" , "n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz" Thread-Topic: [eman] UML from MIBs Thread-Index: AQHOi11vOcvQ0hZaMkajxrVg7+v0zw== Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 06:41:06 +0000 Message-ID: References: , In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_004_AE3CE72253DB40A5ACCA640EC82DD02Bciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "eman@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-eman-framework@tools.ietf.org" Subject: [eman] UML from MIBs X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 06:41:21 -0000 --_004_AE3CE72253DB40A5ACCA640EC82DD02Bciscocom_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_AE3CE72253DB40A5ACCA640EC82DD02Bciscocom_" --_000_AE3CE72253DB40A5ACCA640EC82DD02Bciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Brain has generated updated UML from the mibs ! If you take a look at the uml generated from the data model (mib) it's matc= hing up nicely to the information model we have in the framework. Thanks Brian! We have the XML to generate the uml and as part of our review of the framew= ork we should discuss formats and delivery methods again. Jp Sent from my iPad (expect ridiculous spelling mistakes) Begin forwarded message: From: "Brian Hedstrom" > To: "Mouli Chandramouli (moulchan)" >, "John Parello (jparello)" > Subject: FW: Call to Review UML and MIB Here is the latest UML model if you plan to update during the Berlin meetin= g. Let me know if you update it. Thanks, Brian Hedstrom Senior Architect, Business & Operational Support Systems CableLabs, Inc. 858 Coal Creek Circle Louisville, CO 80027 Direct: 303.661.3829 eFax: 303.664.8120 Google+: brian.hedstrom Skype IM: brian.hedstrom b.hedstrom@cablelabs.com [cid:7:4132:1] --_000_AE3CE72253DB40A5ACCA640EC82DD02Bciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

Brain has generated updated UML from the mibs !

If you take a look at the uml generated from the data model (mib) it's= matching up nicely to the information model we have in the framework.

Thanks Brian!

We have the XML to generate the uml and as part of our review of the f= ramework we should discuss formats and delivery methods again.

Jp

Sent from my iPad 
(expect ridiculous spelling mistakes) 

Begin forwarded message:

From: "Brian Hedstrom" <B.Hedstrom@CableLabs.com>
To: "Mouli Chandramouli (moulchan)" <moulchan@cisco.com>, "John Parello (jparell= o)" <jparello@cisco.com&g= t;
Subject: FW: Call to Review UML and MIB

Here is the latest UML model if you plan to update during the Be= rlin meeting.  Let me know if you update it.

Thanks,
Brian Hedstrom
Senior Architect, Business & Operational Support Systems CableLabs, Inc.
858 Coal Creek Circle
Louisville, CO 80027
Direct: 303.661.3829
eFax: 303.664.8120
Google+: brian.hedstrom
Skype IM: brian.hedstrom
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by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4245321F9AEF for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 23:14:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r6T6Ej7H009474; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 08:14:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.61.164.23] ([10.61.164.23]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r6T6EHNl014179; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 08:14:34 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <51F60818.4080600@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 08:13:44 +0200 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alan Luchuk References: <201303082135.QAA23542@adminfs.snmp.com> In-Reply-To: <201303082135.QAA23542@adminfs.snmp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: eman@ietf.org Subject: Re: [eman] Review and prototypeing the EMAN WG drafts X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 06:14:52 -0000 Alan, Let me come back to this email. Thanks for your prototype Here is RFC 6982 "Improving Awareness of Running Code: The Implementation Status Section" Abstract This document describes a simple process that allows authors of Internet-Drafts to record the status of known implementations by including an Implementation Status section. This will allow reviewers and working groups to assign due consideration to documents that have the benefit of running code, which may serve as evidence of valuable experimentation and feedback that have made the implemented protocols more mature. We applied it to [EMAN-MON], and we would like to expand that "Implementation Status" section. If you could share details about your prototype, we could complete [EMAN-MON] and also add a new section for [EMAN-AWARE]. Here is a good example of that section: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-jcardcal-jcard-05 Regards, Benoit > Hello, > > We have been studying the EMAN documents and developing a prototype > energy-management SNMP agent. It is clear the EMAN WG has done a > tremendous amount of work analyzing the energy management problem > and producing a comprehensive document set. Reading the background > documents (framework, requirements, and applicability statements) has > been enlightening. Studying the documents to the depth necessary to > prototype them has been a fruitful experience. > > The content of the MIB-related documents are pretty complete, well- > thought out, and implementable. There are places where the documents > could be clarified or the technical content improved. I've already > commented on drafts -07 and -08 of draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib.txt. > As soon as possible, I'll comment on the other documents based upon > the prototyping experience. > > Our prototype energy manageable device is loosely based upon the > scenario described in Section 2.3 of draft-ietf-eman-applicability- > statement-02.txt. This scenario describes a network-connected > workstation powered by a wall outlet. In the prototype, the work- > station is self-metering. > > Most of the values in the prototype are unchanging data. The battery > instrumentation objects, as well as the eoPower object, have time- > varying values that make the prototype a little more realistic. The > entPhysicalIndex values in the ENTITY-MIB, the ENERGY-OBJECT-CONTEXT-MIB, > the ENERGY-OBJECT-MIB and the POWER-CHARACTERISTICS-MIB should make > these objects consistent for the self-metering workstation scenio. > The BATTERY-MIB prototype really does not fit with the self-metering > workstation scenario, based upon the requirement that the batteryIndex > values match corresponding entries in the entPhysicalTable. > > > To (hopefully) assist the EMAN WG, the prototype SNMP agent is > available for testing. There are two ways to try out the prototype: > > - Traditional SNMP; > - A web interface > > To use traditional SNMP: > > - Send to ciagent.snmp.com, port 161 (the standard SNMP port); > > - Use noAuthNoPriv USM user "public" (no auth or priv passwords needed); > One can also use SNMPv2c "public" or SNMPv1 "public". > > - To build the SNMP agent, we had to assign OIDs to the draft MIBs > (all of the MIBs except for the ENTITY-MIB.) Each of these have > been assigned an OID in the SNMP Research private space. The > top-level OIDs for each MIB are: > > entityMIB: 1.3.6.1.2.1.47 > > emanTmp 1.3.6.1.4.1.99.15.1.10 > batteryMIB 1.3.6.1.4.1.99.15.1.10.1 > energyAwareMIB 1.3.6.1.4.1.99.15.1.10.2 > energyObjectMib 1.3.6.1.4.1.99.15.1.10.3 > powerCharacteristicsMIB 1.3.6.1.4.1.99.15.1.10.4 > > > To use the web interface: > > - Use the URLs: > > http://ciagent.snmp.com:280/subtree/entityMIB > > http://ciagent.snmp.com:280/subtree/emanTmp > http://ciagent.snmp.com:280/subtree/batteryMIB > http://ciagent.snmp.com:280/subtree/energyAwareMIB > http://ciagent.snmp.com:280/subtree/energyObjectMib > http://ciagent.snmp.com:280/subtree/powerCharacteristicsMIB > > Omit a trailing slash. When prompted, the username is "Guest", no > password. > > > For demonstration purposes, the web interface is a little easier to use. > But there really is an SNMP agent underneath it, so you might want to > actually throw SNMP requests at it to convince yourself. > > Hope this effort is helpful to the EMAN WG. If nothing else, knowing > that an SNMP agent can be produced from the current documents may be > of use to the EMAN WG. > > Please let me know if you have questions or comments. > > > Sincerly, > --Alan > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Alan Luchuk SNMP Research, Inc. Voice: +1 865 573 1434 > Senior Software Engineer 3001 Kimberlin Heights Road FAX: +1 865 573 9197 > luchuk at snmp.com Knoxville, TN 37920-9716 http://www.snmp.com/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > eman mailing list > eman@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman > > From Quittek@neclab.eu Sun Jul 28 23:40:27 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCE2721F9E3F for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 23:40:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Bd-Vm87ektN2 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 23:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailer1.neclab.eu (mailer1.neclab.eu [195.37.70.40]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C8CE21F9D1B for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 23:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailer1.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEF3E104D87 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 08:39:38 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (netlab.nec.de) Received: from mailer1.neclab.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas-a.office.hd [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FDDbHToth-a0 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 08:39:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ENCELADUS.office.hd (enceladus.office.hd [192.168.24.52]) by mailer1.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C098D104D85 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 08:39:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from DAPHNIS.office.hd ([169.254.2.153]) by ENCELADUS.office.hd ([192.168.24.52]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 08:39:56 +0200 From: Juergen Quittek To: "eman@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: review of draft-ietf-eman-framework-08 Thread-Index: Ac6MJkmDnQoFslRFT++xegCmeGxTPA== Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 06:39:56 +0000 Message-ID: <9AB93E4127C26F4BA7829DEFDCE5A6E85A384B90@DAPHNIS.office.hd> Accept-Language: de-DE, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.7.0.213] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [eman] review of draft-ietf-eman-framework-08 X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 06:40:27 -0000 Dear all, It may not be common for a co-author to comment on a draft he contributed t= o, but since I commented the individual ER framework draft, I want to also = comment on the WG's EMAN framework draft. \ Here are my high-level comments on the new version -08 of draft-ietf-eman-f= ramework. Detailed comments will follow in a separate message. The draft is improving, particularly in the direction of getting a cleaner = structure, more consistency, and less redundant concepts and text. Still, f= urther improvement in these directions seems to be desirable to me, partic= ularly towards simplification. The new structure starts with explaining specifics of energy management (co= mpared to management tasks that we use to have) and then introduces an abst= raction for energy management that models managed entities, their propertie= s and attributes, monitoring and control. On top of this relationships are = introduced. I wonder is relationships should not be introduced before discu= ssing monitoring and control. Then the draft contains a UML (or UML-like) model for all information eleme= nts used in the sections before, and helpful examples that explain how to u= se the model. It is debatable whether or not the model including data types= should be contained in a framework draft or it should rather be in a separ= ate document. With this structure, the draft is much easier to read and to understand tha= n previous versions. The biggest problem that I still have with the draft is that it rather desc= ribes how to build an Energy Management System (EnMS) than what needs to be= on the wire or on the managed entities. Two examples illustrate this: 1. Concepts are introduced based on software-engineering aspects rather tha= n on aspects describing the physical reality. An example is the Energy Obje= ct for which the draft explains: "An Energy Object is an abstract class tha= t contains the base attributes for Energy Management." This may be a nice g= uideline for implementing it, but is not exactly what I want to understand = the real world behind it. 2. The draft seems to propose that concepts and structures that in my opini= on could be hidden in the EnMS get pushed down to the managed entities. The= draft requests that many things that today are modeled in the management s= ystems are visible at the devices. One example out of several is the reques= t to write relations down to the devices (potentially beyond need): "In som= e situations, it is not possible [for the device] to discover the energy ob= ject relationships, and they must be set by an EnMS or administrator." I th= ink it is OK if the EnMS knows them. No need to write them to the device. S= imilar considerations concern context-related information. =20 Without stating this anywhere explicitly, the draft is focusing on building= management. Is this the dominant use case? Many statements in the draft ar= e obviously relevant for building management and need a "translation" to en= ergy management of other kinds of units. An example out of several is the d= efinition of 'Importance': "An Energy Object can provide an importance valu= e in the range of 1 to 100 to help rank a device's use or relative value to= the site." What is a site? What if there is none? I see room for improvement in Section 4.8 where recommendations for relatio= nships are given. Here the draft over-specifies how an EnMS is implemented = and what how an EnMS should work internally.=20 As conclusion: there is a big improvement. The draft is moving towards the = right direction, but still some way to go. I look forward to a vivid discussion. Cheers, Juergen -- Juergen Quittek quittek@neclab.eu Tel: +49 6221 4342-115 General Manager http://www.neclab.eu Fax: +49 6221 4342-155 Network Research Division, NEC Europe Ltd. Kurfuersten-Anlage 36, 69115 Heidelberg, Germany From moulchan@cisco.com Mon Jul 29 00:05:55 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CE1E21F8E2D for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 00:05:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.450, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MKoljWNEMgAl for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 00:05:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com [173.37.86.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7217A21F8FF8 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 00:05:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1144; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1375081550; x=1376291150; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:in-reply-to:content-id: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=ufMSJLwL5PQp4y77AiSoebzvr7Rvrpizh8inkpFg1TE=; b=OxKjjK/EDefO8059O46Ru6oGG8f7MCKx+Usp3x8+FgTc16E2olUgJa0b pEzaqrX3V8OhXmZ8Bpe6eR1za5tHlwhrjEepeI2aPW/NJD0ZGbb+VhW0i BKZNsvtY/ydML0DXWCMV9/HrU2Fzja3kGLNMh8I8QaJs7RXvq5sujNgZI 4=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgkFAHMT9lGtJXG//2dsb2JhbABbgwY1UL1WgRQWdIImAQQBAQE3NBkEAQgiFCsMCyUCBBMIAYgHDJdfoAIEj0g4gxhvA6krgxSCKg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.89,767,1367971200"; d="scan'208";a="240475388" Received: from rcdn-core2-4.cisco.com ([173.37.113.191]) by rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 29 Jul 2013 07:05:35 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x02.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x02.cisco.com [173.37.183.76]) by rcdn-core2-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r6T75ZHi007635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 07:05:35 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x08.cisco.com ([169.254.8.40]) by xhc-rcd-x02.cisco.com ([173.37.183.76]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 02:05:35 -0500 From: "Mouli Chandramouli (moulchan)" To: "eman@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [eman] Updated Agenda (-02) for Berlin Thread-Index: AQHOgcIC9pQ+JlXgGE6eMs5bcVTUbpl8AIsA Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 07:05:35 +0000 Message-ID: <852AF0ED49D9F24BBBFA1B4DEEBE3BA42AC14490@xmb-rcd-x08.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <51E49EB6.80709@auckland.ac.nz> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.6.130613 x-originating-ip: [10.142.106.149] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <249A6B2DF04EE74C9515E9F254CB5F59@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [eman] Updated Agenda (-02) for Berlin X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 07:05:55 -0000 Is the jabber client or the audio streaming working ? Thanks Mouli On 16/07/13 6:45 AM, "Nevil Brownlee" wrote: > >Hi all: > >The latest version of our agenda is now available at > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/87/agenda/agenda-87-eman > >Don't forget to read the Framework draft! > >Cheers, Nevil > >PS: To presenters - since our session is in the first time-slot of > the week, please send me your slides by about 1800 on Sunday > 28 July (or earlier) so that I can get them onto the Meeting > Materials page! > >--=20 >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department > Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland > FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand >_______________________________________________ >eman mailing list >eman@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman >_______________________________________________ >eman mailing list >eman@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman From tnadeau@lucidvision.com Mon Jul 29 00:16:47 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6DFA21F9B4C for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 00:16:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Tifg1ng24mcI for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 00:16:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lucidvision.com (lucidvision.com [72.71.250.34]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD3CD21F9B28 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 00:16:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.28.130.76] (westford-nat.juniper.net [66.129.232.2]) by lucidvision.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38B632515A96; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 03:16:40 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) From: Thomas Nadeau In-Reply-To: <852AF0ED49D9F24BBBFA1B4DEEBE3BA42AC14490@xmb-rcd-x08.cisco.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 09:16:38 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <852AF0ED49D9F24BBBFA1B4DEEBE3BA42AC14490@xmb-rcd-x08.cisco.com> To: "Mouli Chandramouli (moulchan)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) Cc: "eman@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [eman] Updated Agenda (-02) for Berlin X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 07:16:47 -0000 Im looking into this now... On Jul 29, 2013:9:05 AM, at 9:05 AM, "Mouli Chandramouli (moulchan)" = wrote: > Is the jabber client or the audio streaming working ? >=20 > Thanks > Mouli >=20 > On 16/07/13 6:45 AM, "Nevil Brownlee" = wrote: >=20 >>=20 >> Hi all: >>=20 >> The latest version of our agenda is now available at >>=20 >> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/87/agenda/agenda-87-eman >>=20 >> Don't forget to read the Framework draft! >>=20 >> Cheers, Nevil >>=20 >> PS: To presenters - since our session is in the first time-slot of >> the week, please send me your slides by about 1800 on Sunday >> 28 July (or earlier) so that I can get them onto the Meeting >> Materials page! >>=20 >> --=20 >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department >> Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland >> FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand >> _______________________________________________ >> eman mailing list >> eman@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman >> _______________________________________________ >> eman mailing list >> eman@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman >=20 > _______________________________________________ > eman mailing list > eman@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman >=20 From tnadeau@lucidvision.com Mon Jul 29 00:20:33 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98BBD21F8FD5 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 00:20:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.129, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KfBFx7CvYH+u for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 00:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lucidvision.com (lucidvision.com [72.71.250.34]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64FF621F9C29 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 00:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.28.130.76] (westford-nat.juniper.net [66.129.232.2]) by lucidvision.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E5202515AB6; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 03:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) From: Thomas Nadeau In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 09:20:01 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <301FBEC4-73E4-4CA7-AE82-BB0CE7A42114@lucidvision.com> References: <852AF0ED49D9F24BBBFA1B4DEEBE3BA42AC14490@xmb-rcd-x08.cisco.com> To: "Mouli Chandramouli (moulchan)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) Cc: "eman@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [eman] Updated Agenda (-02) for Berlin X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 07:20:33 -0000 Audio is definitely NOT working for Benoit or myself. We're sending = email to have this fixed... On Jul 29, 2013:9:16 AM, at 9:16 AM, Thomas Nadeau = wrote: > Im looking into this now... >=20 > On Jul 29, 2013:9:05 AM, at 9:05 AM, "Mouli Chandramouli (moulchan)" = wrote: >=20 >> Is the jabber client or the audio streaming working ? >>=20 >> Thanks >> Mouli >>=20 >> On 16/07/13 6:45 AM, "Nevil Brownlee" = wrote: >>=20 >>>=20 >>> Hi all: >>>=20 >>> The latest version of our agenda is now available at >>>=20 >>> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/87/agenda/agenda-87-eman >>>=20 >>> Don't forget to read the Framework draft! >>>=20 >>> Cheers, Nevil >>>=20 >>> PS: To presenters - since our session is in the first time-slot of >>> the week, please send me your slides by about 1800 on Sunday >>> 28 July (or earlier) so that I can get them onto the Meeting >>> Materials page! >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> = --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department >>> Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland >>> FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand >>> _______________________________________________ >>> eman mailing list >>> eman@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman >>> _______________________________________________ >>> eman mailing list >>> eman@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> eman mailing list >> eman@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > eman mailing list > eman@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman >=20 From bclaise@cisco.com Mon Jul 29 06:03:49 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A205721F90A7 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 06:03:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.529 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.529 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.070, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DJbUUkAtzs6j for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 06:03:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from av-tac-bru.cisco.com (weird-brew.cisco.com [144.254.15.118]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EE3F21F8421 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 06:03:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r6TD3aSu002747; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:03:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.61.164.23] ([10.61.164.23]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r6TD2gv7022744; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:03:12 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <51F667D0.8080802@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:02:08 +0200 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juergen Quittek References: <9AB93E4127C26F4BA7829DEFDCE5A6E85A384B90@DAPHNIS.office.hd> In-Reply-To: <9AB93E4127C26F4BA7829DEFDCE5A6E85A384B90@DAPHNIS.office.hd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: "eman@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [eman] review of draft-ietf-eman-framework-08 X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 13:03:50 -0000 Jürgen, Thanks for your feedback. "the draft is improving" is reassuring. As you mentioned, you are a co-author. So feel free to improve the text, sooner than later. Regards, Benoit > Dear all, > > It may not be common for a co-author to comment on a draft he contributed to, but since I commented the individual ER framework draft, I want to also comment on the WG's EMAN framework draft. \ > > Here are my high-level comments on the new version -08 of draft-ietf-eman-framework. Detailed comments will follow in a separate message. > > > The draft is improving, particularly in the direction of getting a cleaner structure, more consistency, and less redundant concepts and text. Still, further improvement in these directions seems to be desirable to me, particularly towards simplification. > > The new structure starts with explaining specifics of energy management (compared to management tasks that we use to have) and then introduces an abstraction for energy management that models managed entities, their properties and attributes, monitoring and control. On top of this relationships are introduced. I wonder is relationships should not be introduced before discussing monitoring and control. > > Then the draft contains a UML (or UML-like) model for all information elements used in the sections before, and helpful examples that explain how to use the model. It is debatable whether or not the model including data types should be contained in a framework draft or it should rather be in a separate document. > > With this structure, the draft is much easier to read and to understand than previous versions. > > > The biggest problem that I still have with the draft is that it rather describes how to build an Energy Management System (EnMS) than what needs to be on the wire or on the managed entities. Two examples illustrate this: > 1. Concepts are introduced based on software-engineering aspects rather than on aspects describing the physical reality. An example is the Energy Object for which the draft explains: "An Energy Object is an abstract class that contains the base attributes for Energy Management." This may be a nice guideline for implementing it, but is not exactly what I want to understand the real world behind it. > 2. The draft seems to propose that concepts and structures that in my opinion could be hidden in the EnMS get pushed down to the managed entities. The draft requests that many things that today are modeled in the management systems are visible at the devices. One example out of several is the request to write relations down to the devices (potentially beyond need): "In some situations, it is not possible [for the device] to discover the energy object relationships, and they must be set by an EnMS or administrator." I think it is OK if the EnMS knows them. No need to write them to the device. Similar considerations concern context-related information. > > Without stating this anywhere explicitly, the draft is focusing on building management. Is this the dominant use case? Many statements in the draft are obviously relevant for building management and need a "translation" to energy management of other kinds of units. An example out of several is the definition of 'Importance': "An Energy Object can provide an importance value in the range of 1 to 100 to help rank a device's use or relative value to the site." What is a site? What if there is none? > > I see room for improvement in Section 4.8 where recommendations for relationships are given. Here the draft over-specifies how an EnMS is implemented and what how an EnMS should work internally. > > As conclusion: there is a big improvement. The draft is moving towards the right direction, but still some way to go. > > I look forward to a vivid discussion. > > Cheers, > Juergen > > > > > > -- > Juergen Quittek quittek@neclab.eu Tel: +49 6221 4342-115 > General Manager http://www.neclab.eu Fax: +49 6221 4342-155 > Network Research Division, NEC Europe Ltd. > Kurfuersten-Anlage 36, 69115 Heidelberg, Germany > > > _______________________________________________ > eman mailing list > eman@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman > > From jparello@cisco.com Mon Jul 29 08:01:15 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BB6611E80F4 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 08:01:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VxiXZk9c5gnN for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 08:01:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com [173.37.86.79]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2847921F9A4C for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 08:00:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=4585; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1375110057; x=1376319657; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=3IuAbj7U53o53XX5ZWu4XiAcRD3JGCiJvun1qJ3U3RQ=; b=kO8WipPy0W4fHgjsgdKIwUM1s13V8rnVOx6wSrB3+K9DDuXrfVG7CZDJ c86A4loZOal/8ykHEgTGStz8Y3N5e/bitq+RolE3BPJjVkmtnf61NgirN EWfI8L47loQVwyiHVND3D7d3CVfdYgEY8tbMHEVuRvR5aM9RUW1OFu+2d k=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgkFAAiD9lGtJXG//2dsb2JhbABbgwY1vieBGBZ0giQBAQEDAQEBATc0BAcFCwIBCDYQJwslAgQOBYgKBgy4SI9KCCsHAoMWbwOXX5FMgxQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.89,770,1367971200"; d="scan'208";a="240837817" Received: from rcdn-core2-4.cisco.com ([173.37.113.191]) by rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com with ESMTP; 29 Jul 2013 15:00:56 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x11.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x11.cisco.com [173.37.183.85]) by rcdn-core2-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r6TF0tDP010995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:00:55 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x04.cisco.com ([169.254.9.242]) by xhc-rcd-x11.cisco.com ([173.37.183.85]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:00:55 -0500 From: "John Parello (jparello)" To: Juergen Quittek Thread-Topic: [eman] review of draft-ietf-eman-framework-08 Thread-Index: AQHOjGxs3SziTSTqUUuHFJzQcazEeA== Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:00:55 +0000 Message-ID: <362176F4-8EE9-4CE7-8CD7-C00F2EDBB84E@cisco.com> References: <9AB93E4127C26F4BA7829DEFDCE5A6E85A384B90@DAPHNIS.office.hd> In-Reply-To: <9AB93E4127C26F4BA7829DEFDCE5A6E85A384B90@DAPHNIS.office.hd> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "eman@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [eman] review of draft-ietf-eman-framework-08 X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:01:15 -0000 Hi Juergen, I was about to send a detailed reply, but how about we just meet up and go = over the draft at a keyboard and work it through. I'm free anytime tomorrow and Thursday.=20 Jp Sent from my iPad=20 (expect ridiculous spelling mistakes)=20 On Jul 29, 2013, at 8:40 AM, "Juergen Quittek" wrote: > Dear all, >=20 > It may not be common for a co-author to comment on a draft he contributed= to, but since I commented the individual ER framework draft, I want to als= o comment on the WG's EMAN framework draft. \ >=20 > Here are my high-level comments on the new version -08 of draft-ietf-eman= -framework. Detailed comments will follow in a separate message. >=20 >=20 > The draft is improving, particularly in the direction of getting a cleane= r structure, more consistency, and less redundant concepts and text. Still,= further improvement in these directions seems to be desirable to me, part= icularly towards simplification. >=20 > The new structure starts with explaining specifics of energy management (= compared to management tasks that we use to have) and then introduces an ab= straction for energy management that models managed entities, their propert= ies and attributes, monitoring and control. On top of this relationships ar= e introduced. I wonder is relationships should not be introduced before dis= cussing monitoring and control. >=20 > Then the draft contains a UML (or UML-like) model for all information ele= ments used in the sections before, and helpful examples that explain how to= use the model. It is debatable whether or not the model including data typ= es should be contained in a framework draft or it should rather be in a sep= arate document. >=20 > With this structure, the draft is much easier to read and to understand t= han previous versions. >=20 >=20 > The biggest problem that I still have with the draft is that it rather de= scribes how to build an Energy Management System (EnMS) than what needs to = be on the wire or on the managed entities. Two examples illustrate this: > 1. Concepts are introduced based on software-engineering aspects rather t= han on aspects describing the physical reality. An example is the Energy Ob= ject for which the draft explains: "An Energy Object is an abstract class t= hat contains the base attributes for Energy Management." This may be a nice= guideline for implementing it, but is not exactly what I want to understan= d the real world behind it. > 2. The draft seems to propose that concepts and structures that in my opi= nion could be hidden in the EnMS get pushed down to the managed entities. T= he draft requests that many things that today are modeled in the management= systems are visible at the devices. One example out of several is the requ= est to write relations down to the devices (potentially beyond need): "In s= ome situations, it is not possible [for the device] to discover the energy = object relationships, and they must be set by an EnMS or administrator." I = think it is OK if the EnMS knows them. No need to write them to the device.= Similar considerations concern context-related information. >=20 > Without stating this anywhere explicitly, the draft is focusing on buildi= ng management. Is this the dominant use case? Many statements in the draft = are obviously relevant for building management and need a "translation" to = energy management of other kinds of units. An example out of several is the= definition of 'Importance': "An Energy Object can provide an importance va= lue in the range of 1 to 100 to help rank a device's use or relative value = to the site." What is a site? What if there is none? >=20 > I see room for improvement in Section 4.8 where recommendations for relat= ionships are given. Here the draft over-specifies how an EnMS is implemente= d and what how an EnMS should work internally.=20 >=20 > As conclusion: there is a big improvement. The draft is moving towards th= e right direction, but still some way to go. >=20 > I look forward to a vivid discussion. >=20 > Cheers, > Juergen >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > Juergen Quittek quittek@neclab.eu Tel: +49 6221 4342-115 > General Manager http://www.neclab.eu Fax: +49 6221 4342-155 > Network Research Division, NEC Europe Ltd. > Kurfuersten-Anlage 36, 69115 Heidelberg, Germany >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > eman mailing list > eman@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman From Rolf.Winter@neclab.eu Mon Jul 29 08:14:40 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BAAB11E80F5 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 08:14:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xza-Ul-ayzwU for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 08:14:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailer1.neclab.eu (mailer1.neclab.eu [195.37.70.40]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 347BD21F9E43 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 08:14:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailer1.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A404A104EA9; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 17:13:47 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (netlab.nec.de) Received: from mailer1.neclab.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas-a.office.hd [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n3wOx3Mx4j8Y; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 17:13:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from METHONE.office.hd (methone.office.hd [192.168.24.54]) by mailer1.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8437D104E9C; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 17:13:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from DAPHNIS.office.hd ([169.254.2.153]) by METHONE.office.hd ([192.168.24.54]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 17:14:21 +0200 From: Rolf Winter To: Bruce Nordman , eman mailing list Thread-Topic: [eman] Duplicate requirements? Thread-Index: AQHOiYm9usjp+CuBl0adRn3Nqj+iZZl7xOdw Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:14:20 +0000 Message-ID: <791AD3077F94194BB2BDD13565B6295D556C5640@DAPHNIS.office.hd> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, de-DE Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.7.0.206] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [eman] Duplicate requirements? X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:14:40 -0000 Hi Bruce, I think it you're right assuming that the list of in 8.1.3 refers to a list= of identifiers. Since the document is in the RFC editor's queue, can we qu= ickly come to a conclusion on this? Anybody seeing a difference in 8.1.2. a= nd 8.1.3? Best, Rolf NEC Europe Ltd | Registered Office: Athene, Odyssey Business Park, West End= Road, London, HA4 6QE, GB | Registered in England 2832014 > -----Original Message----- > From: eman-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:eman-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Bruce Nordman > Sent: Freitag, 26. Juli 2013 00:53 > To: eman mailing list > Subject: [eman] Duplicate requirements? >=20 > In preparing the Energy Reporting Framework draft, I came across two > requirements that seemed to me to >=20 > address the same issue. They are: >=20 >=20 > 8.1.2. Identity Of Other Power State Controlled Entities >=20 > The standard must provide means for reporting the identities of the > entities for which the reporting entity has means to control their > Power States. Note that, in some situations, a manual configuration > might be required to populate this information. >=20 > 8.1.3. List Of All Power State Controlled Entities >=20 > The standard must provide means for an entity to report the list of > all entities for which it can control the Power State. >=20 > or, a more abbreviated way of viewing these is: >=20 >=20 > 8.1.2. reporting the identities of the entities for which the > reporting entity has means to control their Power States. >=20 > 8.1.3. an entity to report the list of all entities for which it can > control the Power State. >=20 >=20 >=20 > If they are duplicate, then I suppose any framework that meets >=20 > one meets the other so there is no problem. If they have different > meaning, we should know clearly what that is. >=20 > Thanks, >=20 >=20 > --Bruce >=20 >=20 > -- > Bruce Nordman > Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory > nordman.lbl.gov > BNordman@LBL.gov > 510-486-7089 > m: 510-501-7943 From izumi@shiratori.riec.tohoku.ac.jp Tue Jul 30 00:14:12 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E93F621F9371 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 00:14:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.324 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.324 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, HOST_EQ_JP=1.265] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XPchzMaiKfka for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 00:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.shiratori.riec.tohoku.ac.jp (falcon.shiratori.riec.tohoku.ac.jp [130.34.209.8]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A03021F93E4 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 00:14:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.20.251] (dhcp-14fb.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.20.251]) by mail.shiratori.riec.tohoku.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 437A35B60; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 16:13:45 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <51F767A6.4010407@shiratori.riec.tohoku.ac.jp> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 16:13:42 +0900 From: Satoru Izumi User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eman@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [eman] Should the framework cover devices in which we can not measure energy consumption directly? X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 07:14:13 -0000 John, This is Izumi, I asked you about device connectivity at yesterday's Eman meeting. At this time, I would like to reconfirm, that you said that the framework does not cover devices for which we can not measure energy consumption directly. Is this O.K.? Note, there are several ways in which we can infer that a device is consuming energy, but few devices offer means of measuring how much energy is consumed. Almost all electrical devices of today fall in this category. Lights, heaters, mobile devices, home appliances, computer devices just name them. We may figure out that the device is on but the devices do offer means of measuring energy consumption. (Not without introducing additional devices.) The above restriction will severly constrain the applicability of the framework in todays environment. What do you think this? Regard, Satoru Izumi, Ph.D Research Fellow Research Institute of Electrical Communication, Tohoku University Tel&FAX: +81-22-217-5080 izumi@shiratori.riec.tohoku.ac.jp From jparello@cisco.com Tue Jul 30 05:24:00 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C17A121E80A7 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 05:23:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PKovl6lkW2BG for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 05:23:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com [173.37.86.77]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0287521E80B1 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 05:23:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2783; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1375187029; x=1376396629; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=BsvMIFy0NeXRrsBiT6akua9Yu5GAaK7wl1Q1rR1Sif4=; b=C7Qfpg/Bo/9bKVAweHfOyMdJfjSjwIT314wBhgeDz5uAXINQzXrFgw6C KQ4tJQBxX4juGyE1LBD3pCp+qpUbyfpMESxQWLbftRkXJZn7jFq7JzPIi L/Ckn0pL5lzeojDmucnKJvPa76gCX4ymy2WfqaF6P09B+vGHtyk90Uo7P 4=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgMFAPKv91GtJXHA/2dsb2JhbABbDoJ4Nb5egR4WdIIkAQEBAwEBAQE3NAMIBQsCAQg2BQsnCyUCBA4FiAoGDLkCBI9LMweDGG8Dl1+RTIFbez4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.89,778,1367971200"; d="scan'208";a="241267407" Received: from rcdn-core2-5.cisco.com ([173.37.113.192]) by rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 30 Jul 2013 12:23:48 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x13.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x13.cisco.com [173.37.183.87]) by rcdn-core2-5.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r6UCNmsb029901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 Jul 2013 12:23:48 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x04.cisco.com ([169.254.9.242]) by xhc-rcd-x13.cisco.com ([173.37.183.87]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 07:23:47 -0500 From: "John Parello (jparello)" To: Satoru Izumi Thread-Topic: [eman] Should the framework cover devices in which we can not measure energy consumption directly? Thread-Index: AQHOjPRnSHGvc5VwMEaXVqbPPQOKNpl9JV5T Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 12:23:47 +0000 Message-ID: <25A341DD-5641-448C-9973-FA287902BFD7@cisco.com> References: <51F767A6.4010407@shiratori.riec.tohoku.ac.jp> In-Reply-To: <51F767A6.4010407@shiratori.riec.tohoku.ac.jp> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "eman@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [eman] Should the framework cover devices in which we can not measure energy consumption directly? X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 12:24:00 -0000 Hi Satoru, I think I miss understood your question during the session. I thought you w= ere asking if we modeled connectivity (network information) in our framewor= k information model. For your question below I take it that you are asking about devices that ar= e not network (ip) connected. The framework defines an information model that we would like devices to im= plement. If they are not ip connected they may be accessible via other seri= al protocol like knx, mod-bus, bacnet etc. If these devices implement the information model they can then be easily ma= naged via gateways that translate data from serial to ip networks. The reason we want a common information model is so that manufacturers of t= hese gateways can have a clear understanding of what to translate and the s= emantics of the information they translate. I run such a program with Cisco and we have lots of partners who translate = bacnet for example to our information model. Take a look at a company call = FieldServer and their Energywise gateway. For devices with no serial connection or ip connection, then we have no dir= ect visibility to those devices. If we measure the meter readings from an a= rea and some portion are readable then there is benefit from the simple sub= traction of your total energy and the energy you can monitor. Does that help? Jp Sent from my iPad=20 (expect ridiculous spelling mistakes)=20 On Jul 30, 2013, at 9:14 AM, "Satoru Izumi" wrote: > John, >=20 > This is Izumi, I asked you about device connectivity at yesterday's > Eman meeting. >=20 > At this time, I would like to reconfirm, that you said that the > framework does not cover devices for which we can not measure > energy consumption directly. >=20 > Is this O.K.? Note, there are several ways in which we can infer > that a device is consuming energy, but few devices offer means of > measuring how much energy is consumed. Almost all electrical devices > of today fall in this category. Lights, heaters, mobile devices, > home appliances, computer devices just name them. We may figure > out that the device is on but the devices do offer means of > measuring energy consumption. (Not without introducing additional > devices.) >=20 > The above restriction will severly constrain the applicability of > the framework in todays environment. >=20 > What do you think this? >=20 > Regard, > Satoru Izumi, Ph.D > Research Fellow > Research Institute of Electrical Communication, Tohoku University > Tel&FAX: +81-22-217-5080 > izumi@shiratori.riec.tohoku.ac.jp > _______________________________________________ > eman mailing list > eman@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman From n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz Wed Jul 31 13:54:08 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACB6C21E80A6 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 13:54:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oDnxBiY0jyBn for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 13:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx2.auckland.ac.nz (mx2.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.125.245]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21B4121F9048 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 13:54:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=auckland.ac.nz; i=@auckland.ac.nz; q=dns/txt; s=uoa; t=1375304044; x=1406840044; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject: content-transfer-encoding; bh=YFaqdwUH/z17kVPfwTOTP3NccFD1qBWLd5V6NflGNnE=; b=Rk71tzvYql7Bze1jl/mjAXRZpe0XrKhJL/wzMI/oM7lH05IMlCKJmlfr XymRsh2jNHZlucXHkxl9ZDE3IrOlHEsQ+mUZly8BFPSJVT+Rtlk84VQC4 NXChUYSYlcDdulQYzl5eTXBWsd0Dege8nsCIWGHIg4ctZpr2d6DUCpx4l Q=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.89,789,1367928000"; d="scan'208";a="202898320" X-Ironport-HAT: None - $RELAY-AUTH X-Ironport-Source: 130.129.65.221 - Outgoing - Outgoing-SSL Received: from dhcp-41dd.meeting.ietf.org (HELO [130.129.65.221]) ([130.129.65.221]) by mx2-int.auckland.ac.nz with ESMTP; 01 Aug 2013 08:54:01 +1200 Message-ID: <51F9795E.5050702@auckland.ac.nz> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2013 08:53:50 +1200 From: Nevil Brownlee User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130623 Thunderbird/17.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eman@ietf.org, "ops-ads@tools.ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [eman] *DRAFT* minutes and one-para summary for Berlin meeting X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 20:54:08 -0000 Hi all Please read this draft, let me know if anything needs correcti Cheers, Nevil One-para summary: EMAN WG meeting in Berlin A new version of the EMAN Framework draft was published mid-July. This has many changes, everyone is asked to read/review/comment on it. It may be possible to simplify the Framework further, but we don't want that to delay it any longer. We will start WG Last Call for it about mid-August. *DRAFT* Minutes of the EMAN meeting at IETF 87 in Berlin Over-full room, about 45 people attended the meeting + 6 via jabber Scribe: Paul Aitken, on Etherpad at http://tools.ietf.org/wg/eman/minutes WG Status --------- - EMAN Requirements approved, in RFC Editor queue since 2 May 13 Energy Management Framework -08 ------------------------------- Presented by John Parello - Many changes in this version; sections re-ordered, IANA Considerations added, including a Registry for Power States. Information model represented (at this stage) in pseudo-code, can easily generate other forms of it, e.g. UML. - How should information model be presented in the draft? Strong support for pseudo-code, support also for UML. It seems the draft should include both. - Draft complexity: conflict here between making the framework simpler by removing more relationships, and perhaps by moving the information model from it to a new, separate draft. = Discussion will continue on the list, please read the draft and comment; provide new text to improve it. We plan to run its first WG Last Call starting about mid-August, and may need a second WG Last Call after further revisions. Energy-aware- MIB -09 Power and Energy Monitoring MIB -06 --------------------- Presented by John Parello. - Only a few changes. = Waiting for Framework to become stable, will need to check that all the requirements are met Battery MIB -09 --------------- Presented by Juergen Quittek. - Needs one more revision, needs to identify slot and battery ID for replaceable batteries. = Waiting on Framework Applicability Statement -03 --------------------------- Presented by Nevil Brownlee - Now fairly stable = Ready for WGLC once Framework is done Other Presentations ------------------- At this point we ran out of time (only one hour), so no further drafts were discussed. However, the slides for them are on the Meeting Materials page. Next Steps: ----------- - WG Last Call on Framework mid-August, goal is to submit it before next IETF meeting. - MIBs to follow once Framework is submitted, then Applicability Statement. The meeting finished at 1000. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department | ITS Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand