From bclaise@cisco.com Tue Dec 10 03:08:25 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AD3B1AD7C0; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 03:08:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GXNhdlNCV9vj; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 03:08:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from aer-iport-2.cisco.com (aer-iport-2.cisco.com [173.38.203.52]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6C591A1F54; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 03:08:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=4236; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1386673698; x=1387883298; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject; bh=JxVsZnlOpS40WGGYjjBK+FdoZJZ3uJuZrR0gd4oeLIc=; b=ThEzzANpd9zGbG9gJJtmN5GBa7HwxZoIgv1tWevIAxKz4QhqfZITrtHM zLE5KYHTLqwTIMf4CJPpyLLjrvoR1rG1sBfNmjllGiCYMvddl9m+k0T4L npaMbUOEjJP4fj/E6Coc5gAuWkVmWgj10MZJ14S6Hl38UoCLjFMfNQujd g=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.93,865,1378857600"; d="scan'208,217";a="1344512" Received: from ams-core-3.cisco.com ([144.254.72.76]) by aer-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 10 Dec 2013 11:08:17 +0000 Received: from [10.60.67.86] (ams-bclaise-8915.cisco.com [10.60.67.86]) by ams-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id rBAB8C2J032554; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 11:08:13 GMT Message-ID: <52A6F61C.7020504@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 12:08:12 +0100 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "MIB Doctors (E-mail)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030408090104070401090208" Cc: eman mailing list Subject: [eman] DEFINITIONS and MODULE-IDENTITY X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 11:08:25 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030408090104070401090208 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIB doctors, One question regarding DEFINITIONS and MODULE-IDENTITY Looking at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib/, I see ENERGY-OBJECT-CONTEXT-MIB DEFINITIONS ::= BEGIN IMPORTS MODULE-IDENTITY, OBJECT-TYPE, mib-2, Integer32 FROM SNMPv2-SMI TEXTUAL-CONVENTION, MacAddress, TruthValue FROM SNMPv2-TC MODULE-COMPLIANCE, OBJECT-GROUP FROM SNMPv2-CONF SnmpAdminString FROM SNMP-FRAMEWORK-MIB InetAddressType, InetAddress FROM INET-ADDRESS-MIB entPhysicalIndex FROM ENTITY-MIB UUIDorZero FROM UUID-TC-MIB IANAEnergyRelationship FROM IANA-ENERGY-RELATION-MIB; energyAwareMIBMODULE-IDENTITY LAST-UPDATED "201311290000Z" I guess that ENERGY-OBJECT-CONTEXT-MIB and energyAwareMIB, being different, would be flagged as a problem by the MIB doctors, correct? The closest piece of information is from RFC 4181: - The descriptor associated with the MODULE-IDENTITY invocation should be of the form xxxMIB, xxxMib, or xxxMibModule, where xxx is a mixed-case version of XXX starting with a lowercase letter and without any hyphens. For example, the OPT-IF-MIB uses the prefix optIf, and the descriptor associated with its MODULE-IDENTITY invocation is optIfMibModule. Regards, Benoit --------------030408090104070401090208 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIB doctors,

One question regarding DEFINITIONS and MODULE-IDENTITY

Looking at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib/, I see

       ENERGY-OBJECT-CONTEXT-MIB DEFINITIONS ::= BEGIN 
         
        IMPORTS 
            MODULE-IDENTITY, 
            OBJECT-TYPE, 
            mib-2, 
            Integer32 
                FROM SNMPv2-SMI  
            TEXTUAL-CONVENTION, MacAddress, TruthValue 
                FROM SNMPv2-TC 
            MODULE-COMPLIANCE, 
            OBJECT-GROUP      
                FROM SNMPv2-CONF 
            SnmpAdminString 
                FROM SNMP-FRAMEWORK-MIB  
            InetAddressType, InetAddress 
               FROM INET-ADDRESS-MIB                  
            entPhysicalIndex 
               FROM ENTITY-MIB     
            UUIDorZero 
               FROM UUID-TC-MIB 
            IANAEnergyRelationship 
               FROM IANA-ENERGY-RELATION-MIB;   
         
        energyAwareMIB MODULE-IDENTITY 
            LAST-UPDATED    "201311290000Z" 
I guess that ENERGY-OBJECT-CONTEXT-MIB and energyAwareMIB, being different, would be flagged as a problem by the MIB doctors, correct?

The closest piece of information is from RFC 4181:
   - The descriptor associated with the MODULE-IDENTITY invocation
     should be of the form xxxMIB, xxxMib, or xxxMibModule, where xxx is
     a mixed-case version of XXX starting with a lowercase letter and
     without any hyphens.  For example, the OPT-IF-MIB uses the prefix
     optIf, and the descriptor associated with its MODULE-IDENTITY
     invocation is optIfMibModule.
Regards, Benoit
--------------030408090104070401090208-- From tnadeau@lucidvision.com Tue Dec 10 04:50:47 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A82461AE06D; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 04:50:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zA_-pMwAFAcn; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 04:50:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from lucidvision.com (lucidvision.com [72.71.250.34]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B643E1AE069; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 04:50:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (static-72-71-250-38.cncdnh.fast04.myfairpoint.net [72.71.250.38]) by lucidvision.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56038267E5A2; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 07:50:40 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6FB722C4-F529-4327-877C-7F7CE1B673DB"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.0 \(1822\)) From: Thomas Nadeau In-Reply-To: <52A6F61C.7020504@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 07:50:36 -0500 Message-Id: <7AFD34CB-EFF6-4752-82FA-3B55BF8F5DD5@lucidvision.com> References: <52A6F61C.7020504@cisco.com> To: Benoit Claise X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1822) Cc: "MIB Doctors \(E-mail\)" , eman mailing list Subject: Re: [eman] [MIB-DOCTORS] DEFINITIONS and MODULE-IDENTITY X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 12:50:47 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_6FB722C4-F529-4327-877C-7F7CE1B673DB Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_3BED4C8C-6A8E-44EA-B43A-871876843D53" --Apple-Mail=_3BED4C8C-6A8E-44EA-B43A-871876843D53 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I believe that is the convention that I have always used (and = witnessed). --Tom > MIB doctors, >=20 > One question regarding DEFINITIONS and MODULE-IDENTITY >=20 > Looking at = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib/, I = see=20 >=20 > ENERGY-OBJECT-CONTEXT-MIB DEFINITIONS ::=3D BEGIN=20 > =20 > IMPORTS=20 > MODULE-IDENTITY,=20 > OBJECT-TYPE,=20 > mib-2,=20 > Integer32=20 > FROM SNMPv2-SMI =20 > TEXTUAL-CONVENTION, MacAddress, TruthValue=20 > FROM SNMPv2-TC=20 > MODULE-COMPLIANCE,=20 > OBJECT-GROUP =20 > FROM SNMPv2-CONF=20 > SnmpAdminString=20 > FROM SNMP-FRAMEWORK-MIB =20 > InetAddressType, InetAddress=20 > FROM INET-ADDRESS-MIB =20 > entPhysicalIndex=20 > FROM ENTITY-MIB =20 > UUIDorZero=20 > FROM UUID-TC-MIB=20 > IANAEnergyRelationship=20 > FROM IANA-ENERGY-RELATION-MIB; =20 > =20 > energyAwareMIB MODULE-IDENTITY=20 > LAST-UPDATED "201311290000Z"=20 > I guess that ENERGY-OBJECT-CONTEXT-MIB and energyAwareMIB, being = different, would be flagged as a problem by the MIB doctors, correct? >=20 > The closest piece of information is from RFC 4181: > - The descriptor associated with the MODULE-IDENTITY invocation > should be of the form xxxMIB, xxxMib, or xxxMibModule, where xxx = is > a mixed-case version of XXX starting with a lowercase letter and > without any hyphens. For example, the OPT-IF-MIB uses the prefix > optIf, and the descriptor associated with its MODULE-IDENTITY > invocation is optIfMibModule. > Regards, Benoit > _______________________________________________ > MIB-DOCTORS mailing list > MIB-DOCTORS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mib-doctors --Apple-Mail=_3BED4C8C-6A8E-44EA-B43A-871876843D53 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1

I believe that is the convention that I have always used (and witnessed).

--Tom


MIB doctors,

One question regarding DEFINITIONS and MODULE-IDENTITY

Looking at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib/, I see

       ENERGY-OBJECT-CONTEXT-MIB DEFINITIONS ::= BEGIN 
         
        IMPORTS 
            MODULE-IDENTITY, 
            OBJECT-TYPE, 
            mib-2, 
            Integer32 
                FROM SNMPv2-SMI  
            TEXTUAL-CONVENTION, MacAddress, TruthValue 
                FROM SNMPv2-TC 
            MODULE-COMPLIANCE, 
            OBJECT-GROUP      
                FROM SNMPv2-CONF 
            SnmpAdminString 
                FROM SNMP-FRAMEWORK-MIB  
            InetAddressType, InetAddress 
               FROM INET-ADDRESS-MIB                  
            entPhysicalIndex 
               FROM ENTITY-MIB     
            UUIDorZero 
               FROM UUID-TC-MIB 
            IANAEnergyRelationship 
               FROM IANA-ENERGY-RELATION-MIB;   
         
        energyAwareMIB MODULE-IDENTITY 
            LAST-UPDATED    "201311290000Z" 
I guess that ENERGY-OBJECT-CONTEXT-MIB and energyAwareMIB, being different, would be flagged as a problem by the MIB doctors, correct?

The closest piece of information is from RFC 4181:
   - The descriptor associated with the MODULE-IDENTITY invocation
     should be of the form xxxMIB, xxxMib, or xxxMibModule, where xxx is
     a mixed-case version of XXX starting with a lowercase letter and
     without any hyphens.  For example, the OPT-IF-MIB uses the prefix
     optIf, and the descriptor associated with its MODULE-IDENTITY
     invocation is optIfMibModule.
Regards, Benoit
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MIB-DOCTORS@ietf.org
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For example, the OPT-IF-MIB uses the prefix > optIf, and the descriptor associated with its MODULE-IDENTITY > invocation is optIfMibModule. Abiding by the RFC 4181 *recommendation*, one would expect ENERGY-AWARE-MIB -> energyAwareMib (or variant) or ENERGY-OBJECT-CONTEXT-MIB -> energyObjectContextMib (or variant) The normative language is only a "should", but that implies that they should have a really good reason for disregarding the recommendation. I can't think of a plausible good reason, but they might be able to. Randy From internet-drafts@ietf.org Fri Dec 13 02:56:28 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1A861AE284; Fri, 13 Dec 2013 02:56:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xHKK6LXQdMe4; Fri, 13 Dec 2013 02:56:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 342AD1AE20B; Fri, 13 Dec 2013 02:56:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.83.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20131213105626.29195.82314.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 02:56:26 -0800 Cc: eman@ietf.org Subject: [eman] I-D Action: draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-12.txt X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 10:56:28 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Energy Management Working Group of the IE= TF. Title : Energy Object Context MIB Author(s) : John Parello Benoit Claise Mouli Chandramouli Filename : draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-12.txt Pages : 32 Date : 2013-12-13 Abstract: This document defines a subset of a Management Information Base (MIB) for energy management of devices. The module addresses device identification, context information, and the relationships between reporting devices, remote devices, and monitoring devices. = The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-12 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-12 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From internet-drafts@ietf.org Fri Dec 13 07:50:05 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA5D01AE2C0; Fri, 13 Dec 2013 07:50:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mY11wD8f9u6T; Fri, 13 Dec 2013 07:50:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A45341AE2FE; Fri, 13 Dec 2013 07:50:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.83.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20131213155003.3496.88993.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 07:50:03 -0800 Cc: eman@ietf.org Subject: [eman] I-D Action: draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08.txt X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 15:50:05 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Energy Management Working Group of the IE= TF. Title : Power and Energy Monitoring MIB Author(s) : Mouli Chandramouli Benoit Claise Brad Schoening Juergen Quittek Thomas Dietz Filename : draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08.txt Pages : 77 Date : 2013-12-13 Abstract: This document defines a subset of the Management Information Base (MIB) for power and energy monitoring of devices. = The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From internet-drafts@ietf.org Fri Dec 13 09:52:58 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA6F21AE02E; Fri, 13 Dec 2013 09:52:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PGUNTGJFPnde; Fri, 13 Dec 2013 09:52:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91D2E1ACB4E; Fri, 13 Dec 2013 09:52:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.83.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20131213175257.17557.1996.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 09:52:57 -0800 Cc: eman@ietf.org Subject: [eman] I-D Action: draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13.txt X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 17:52:59 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Energy Management Working Group of the IE= TF. Title : Energy Object Context MIB Author(s) : John Parello Benoit Claise Mouli Chandramouli Filename : draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13.txt Pages : 32 Date : 2013-12-13 Abstract: This document defines a subset of a Management Information Base (MIB) for energy management of devices. The module addresses device identification, context information, and the relationships between reporting devices, remote devices, and monitoring devices. = The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From bclaise@cisco.com Fri Dec 13 14:31:36 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 248CB1ADFD6 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2013 14:31:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.502 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.502 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uf5QxfYoU3OH for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2013 14:31:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from aer-iport-2.cisco.com (aer-iport-2.cisco.com [173.38.203.52]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E67261AD694 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2013 14:31:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=962; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1386973888; x=1388183488; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject: content-transfer-encoding; bh=9hRTiSGBfngD/1asHww6IfKdbLyI3J/QEyobuD6AU2Y=; b=B++qQN579vegZcdP+gRS1pvUHx0QzkhK9rXguCzo3FS1n4w9JYk7+R6M vIj0P2qDlRdwgKlpBCk1PXA2XuyQElGkgve80vBerTTNQYzSSDj+oddmu Deo4qTjFkayVHUZ3s5cRSfQjkdGTa0xD33Aa8koPXcgUC0lU3G4qAz5b1 U=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhAFAGaJq1KQ/khL/2dsb2JhbABQCYMKuxIWdIJkQD0WGAMCAQIBSwEMCAEBiADLFReOLQ2FGAEDmBaGRYtPgWyBPzs X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.95,482,1384300800"; d="scan'208";a="1618208" Received: from ams-core-2.cisco.com ([144.254.72.75]) by aer-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 13 Dec 2013 22:31:27 +0000 Received: from [10.60.67.86] (ams-bclaise-8915.cisco.com [10.60.67.86]) by ams-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id rBDMVNoQ010529; Fri, 13 Dec 2013 22:31:23 GMT Message-ID: <52AB8ABB.2080901@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 23:31:23 +0100 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eman mailing list , draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib@tools.ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [eman] A single OID for energy and the 3 EMAN MIBs (message to draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib authors) X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 22:31:36 -0000 Dear all, During the last IETF meeting, there was an agreement to go for a single energyMIB OID under mib-2. energyObjectContextMIB MODULE-IDENTITY (draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib) is under energyMIB.1 ianaEnergyRelationMIB MODULE-IDENTITY (draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib) is under energyMIB.2 energyObjectMIB MODULE-IDENTITY (draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib) is under energyMIB.3 powerAttributesMIB MODULE-IDENTITY (draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib) is under energyMIB.4 For draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib, you can start with energyMIB.5 Note that draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib requests: Descriptor OBJECT IDENTIFIER value ---------- ----------------------- energyMIB { mib-2 XXX } Btw, both draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib and draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib are ready for WGLC. Regards, Benoit From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Sat Dec 14 00:39:54 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D12131AE518 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 00:39:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.251 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.251 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id quH61pgUVOIA for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 00:39:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950011AE245 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 00:39:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.47]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B62C20082; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 09:39:37 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pSKWWKbbPZs4; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 09:39:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADCEF20081; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 09:39:36 +0100 (CET) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 33B6B29FFB1D; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 09:39:30 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 09:39:30 +0100 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Benoit Claise Message-ID: <20131214083930.GA86143@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Benoit Claise , eman mailing list , draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib@tools.ietf.org References: <52AB8ABB.2080901@cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <52AB8ABB.2080901@cisco.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: eman mailing list , draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [eman] A single OID for energy and the 3 EMAN MIBs (message to draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib authors) X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 08:39:54 -0000 Hi, in the past such registration spaces led to problems (I think RMON was the case) and I think because of that we moved pretty much all registrations below mib-2 and transmission. Bert Wijnen might recall the details. If we change our strategy, we should probably have strong reasons and understand the longer term implications. There is the relvant quote from RFC 4181: - The value assigned to the MODULE-IDENTITY descriptor MUST be unique and (for IETF standards-track MIB modules) SHOULD reside under the mgmt subtree [RFC2578]. Most often it will be an IANA-assigned value directly under mib-2 [RFC2578], although for media-specific MIB modules that extend the IF-MIB [RFC2863] it is customary to use an IANA-assigned value under transmission [RFC2578]. In the past, some IETF working groups have made their own assignments from subtrees delegated to them by IANA, but that practice has proven problematic and is NOT RECOMMENDED. /js On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 11:31:23PM +0100, Benoit Claise wrote: > Dear all, > > During the last IETF meeting, there was an agreement to go for a > single energyMIB OID under mib-2. > > energyObjectContextMIB MODULE-IDENTITY > (draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib) is under energyMIB.1 > ianaEnergyRelationMIB MODULE-IDENTITY > (draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib) is under energyMIB.2 > energyObjectMIB MODULE-IDENTITY > (draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib) is under energyMIB.3 > powerAttributesMIB MODULE-IDENTITY > (draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib) is under energyMIB.4 > > For draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib, you can start with energyMIB.5 > Note that draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib requests: > > Descriptor OBJECT IDENTIFIER value > ---------- ----------------------- > > energyMIB { mib-2 XXX } > > > Btw, both draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib and > draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib are ready for WGLC. > > Regards, Benoit > > > _______________________________________________ > eman mailing list > eman@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From bclaise@cisco.com Sat Dec 14 01:14:41 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BEB01ADF84; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 01:14:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.502 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.502 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Fm-mNhevlDke; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 01:14:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from aer-iport-1.cisco.com (aer-iport-1.cisco.com [173.38.203.51]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AADA91ADF8B; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 01:13:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=3084; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1387012387; x=1388221987; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MBwjy88wCqKto077c7MfsfGKnyWUEmR+xnm4ARWEELg=; b=HNexhW8Nvix4Z3pqNtR/CL+b5QJzeBuu9KoRn1mgVC+oRQWiH7LiNHRY 4Xy30kk5DUBUJLrppT1tafPhqK454SnyaK3Yq44MUAbyIi0TxiQWCvbG7 sr9Hfm46dEezhQMwAJetyBdALOMURnUr86v5gYHomClCJGNPDAsiMVD2B 0=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhYFAFsgrFKQ/khR/2dsb2JhbABQCYMKOLk2gR4WdIIlAQEBAwEBAQEvAQU2CgYLCxgJFgQLCQMCAQIBFTAGAQwGAgEBBYdzCA3KHReOMQYHCQIBVoQ2AQOYFoZFi0+BbIE/Ow X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.95,484,1384300800"; d="scan'208";a="2246301" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com ([144.254.72.81]) by aer-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 14 Dec 2013 09:13:06 +0000 Received: from [10.60.67.86] (ams-bclaise-8915.cisco.com [10.60.67.86]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id rBE9D6Ho011263; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 09:13:06 GMT Message-ID: <52AC2122.4000204@cisco.com> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 10:13:06 +0100 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eman mailing list , draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib@tools.ietf.org, "MIB Doctors (E-mail)" References: <52AB8ABB.2080901@cisco.com> <20131214083930.GA86143@elstar.local> In-Reply-To: <20131214083930.GA86143@elstar.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [eman] A single OID for energy and the 3 EMAN MIBs (message to draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib authors) X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 09:14:41 -0000 Hi Jürgen, MIB doctors, Jürgen, I wish you had reacted when this email was posted: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/eman/current/msg02064.html, or during the WG meeting where it was discussed (too bad that the meeting minutes didn't cover that level of details). While I understand that assigning a MODULE-IDENTITY descriptor could be problematic, here it's different: this unique MODULE-IDENTITY descriptor is for related MIB modules, and this happens to be a WG in this case. We have 3 MIB documents containing 5 MIB modules, all related to Energy: 2 are for Textual Conventions 3 are interconnected: the second and third ones require some objects to be implemented in the first one. MIB doctors, Let us know your advice Regards, Benoit > Hi, > > in the past such registration spaces led to problems (I think RMON was > the case) and I think because of that we moved pretty much all > registrations below mib-2 and transmission. Bert Wijnen might recall > the details. If we change our strategy, we should probably have strong > reasons and understand the longer term implications. There is the relvant > quote from RFC 4181: > > - The value assigned to the MODULE-IDENTITY descriptor MUST be unique > and (for IETF standards-track MIB modules) SHOULD reside under the > mgmt subtree [RFC2578]. Most often it will be an IANA-assigned > value directly under mib-2 [RFC2578], although for media-specific > MIB modules that extend the IF-MIB [RFC2863] it is customary to use > an IANA-assigned value under transmission [RFC2578]. In the past, > some IETF working groups have made their own assignments from > subtrees delegated to them by IANA, but that practice has proven > problematic and is NOT RECOMMENDED. > > /js > > On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 11:31:23PM +0100, Benoit Claise wrote: >> Dear all, >> >> During the last IETF meeting, there was an agreement to go for a >> single energyMIB OID under mib-2. >> >> energyObjectContextMIB MODULE-IDENTITY >> (draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib) is under energyMIB.1 >> ianaEnergyRelationMIB MODULE-IDENTITY >> (draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib) is under energyMIB.2 >> energyObjectMIB MODULE-IDENTITY >> (draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib) is under energyMIB.3 >> powerAttributesMIB MODULE-IDENTITY >> (draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib) is under energyMIB.4 >> >> For draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib, you can start with energyMIB.5 >> Note that draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib requests: >> >> Descriptor OBJECT IDENTIFIER value >> ---------- ----------------------- >> >> energyMIB { mib-2 XXX } >> >> >> Btw, both draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib and >> draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib are ready for WGLC. >> >> Regards, Benoit >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> eman mailing list >> eman@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman From tnadeau@lucidvision.com Sat Dec 14 06:06:17 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FCA61AD84D for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 06:06:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A2jaqEb11x_6 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 06:05:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from lucidvision.com (lucidvision.com [72.71.250.34]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CEBC1AE04A for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 06:05:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (static-72-71-250-38.cncdnh.fast04.myfairpoint.net [72.71.250.38]) by lucidvision.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F37672687C39; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 09:05:15 -0500 (EST) References: <52AB8ABB.2080901@cisco.com> <20131214083930.GA86143@elstar.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: <20131214083930.GA86143@elstar.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPad Mail (11B554a) From: Thomas D Nadeau Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 09:05:14 -0500 To: Juergen Schoenwaelder Cc: eman mailing list , "draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [eman] A single OID for energy and the 3 EMAN MIBs (message to draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib authors) X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 14:06:17 -0000 FYI we followed a single OID model with the MPLS, CCAMP, and PWE3 MIBs and o= ver time have had no issues around the OID. It was actually convenient to h= ave the grouped that way. --Tom > On Dec 14, 2013, at 3:39 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > in the past such registration spaces led to problems (I think RMON was > the case) and I think because of that we moved pretty much all > registrations below mib-2 and transmission. Bert Wijnen might recall > the details. If we change our strategy, we should probably have strong > reasons and understand the longer term implications. There is the relvant > quote from RFC 4181: >=20 > - The value assigned to the MODULE-IDENTITY descriptor MUST be unique > and (for IETF standards-track MIB modules) SHOULD reside under the > mgmt subtree [RFC2578]. Most often it will be an IANA-assigned > value directly under mib-2 [RFC2578], although for media-specific > MIB modules that extend the IF-MIB [RFC2863] it is customary to use > an IANA-assigned value under transmission [RFC2578]. In the past, > some IETF working groups have made their own assignments from > subtrees delegated to them by IANA, but that practice has proven > problematic and is NOT RECOMMENDED. >=20 > /js >=20 >> On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 11:31:23PM +0100, Benoit Claise wrote: >> Dear all, >>=20 >> During the last IETF meeting, there was an agreement to go for a >> single energyMIB OID under mib-2. >>=20 >> energyObjectContextMIB MODULE-IDENTITY >> (draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib) is under energyMIB.1 >> ianaEnergyRelationMIB MODULE-IDENTITY >> (draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib) is under energyMIB.2 >> energyObjectMIB MODULE-IDENTITY >> (draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib) is under energyMIB.3 >> powerAttributesMIB MODULE-IDENTITY >> (draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib) is under energyMIB.4 >>=20 >> For draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib, you can start with energyMIB.5 >> Note that draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib requests: >>=20 >> Descriptor OBJECT IDENTIFIER value >> ---------- ----------------------- >>=20 >> energyMIB { mib-2 XXX } >>=20 >>=20 >> Btw, both draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib and >> draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib are ready for WGLC. >>=20 >> Regards, Benoit >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> eman mailing list >> eman@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman >=20 > --=20 > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 > _______________________________________________ > eman mailing list > eman@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman >=20 From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Sat Dec 14 07:27:25 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 636BD1ADBD1; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 07:27:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.251 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.251 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f0c_sh27G9MF; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 07:27:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E17D1AE1B5; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 07:27:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (demetrius1.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.46]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 589092006A; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 16:27:13 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius1.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JJwQXTOnq_19; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 16:27:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2C6320062; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 16:27:12 +0100 (CET) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id B4AE129FFFF6; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 16:27:07 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 16:27:07 +0100 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Benoit Claise Message-ID: <20131214152706.GA86891@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Benoit Claise , eman mailing list , draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib@tools.ietf.org, "MIB Doctors (E-mail)" References: <52AB8ABB.2080901@cisco.com> <20131214083930.GA86143@elstar.local> <52AC2122.4000204@cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <52AC2122.4000204@cisco.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: "MIB Doctors \(E-mail\)" , eman mailing list , draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [eman] A single OID for energy and the 3 EMAN MIBs (message to draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib authors) X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 15:27:25 -0000 On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 10:13:06AM +0100, Benoit Claise wrote: > While I understand that assigning a MODULE-IDENTITY descriptor could > be problematic, here it's different: this unique MODULE-IDENTITY > descriptor is for related MIB modules, and this happens to be a WG > in this case. > We have 3 MIB documents containing 5 MIB modules, all related to Energy: > 2 are for Textual Conventions > 3 are interconnected: the second and third ones require some > objects to be implemented in the first one. I think bad experience was made with RMON but I am not 100% sure. Things may start in one WG but later get out of control. For stuff below mib-2 and transmission, there is a defined registry. What do you gain by a single OID? The single walk argument? Well, even the IF-MIB is in two branches. And who knows what other stuff might be put under the common OID root in the future. Decent management applications likely don't walk arbitrary subtrees (but if OID based MIB browsers is all we have, well then there might be some value). /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From andy@yumaworks.com Sat Dec 14 09:02:51 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD7501AE232 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 09:02:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.978 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.978 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07g7KcTOnzgy for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 09:02:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qc0-f178.google.com (mail-qc0-f178.google.com [209.85.216.178]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E1271AE252 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 08:48:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qc0-f178.google.com with SMTP id i17so2493891qcy.23 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 08:48:23 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=jaRGUE7FN/HsP5wz+lC2vhC5MBLXVPLzn0J7Si+Mh9U=; b=MetfyYM43WIJoGqe0LBQ2HXPWaXjmag3sbTHedlpHUd33lHAFdFHZWOFM42Hqz873Q mGameDmVAXQd6mlQnMeZnr3A+99f+fkeb6Q9PaoHX2AOmhDPWuysMRCO619wo6s+A9Kh ZuVxfQ5zWQrrWgJ2b49ocS2ztWZ+kZxJoxREZjb1cMjVJro7lnHaxc7enKl8DNWKkN91 9NkMNewCzU/EBm26/Kv5EvIPy1lUG/wP1/iBqwVI0GsvDozA6oYHCXwa/I8oKkcU0rh6 FpnSIezsPB2N/2pQKR0P598n4mO4o+1dYqTOU/f4oEDlIOjfWBIEOoAVixm4mBPk4zaw JF1g== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlLgq11wGpojVHk6rI8NPXQcSNAlauH20z9sK8Za5LszCgjj1eg+rFoDpHaQqXfffvMOoNO MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.60.69 with SMTP id o5mr16316876qah.92.1387039703295; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 08:48:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.48.75 with HTTP; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 08:48:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20131214152706.GA86891@elstar.local> References: <52AB8ABB.2080901@cisco.com> <20131214083930.GA86143@elstar.local> <52AC2122.4000204@cisco.com> <20131214152706.GA86891@elstar.local> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 08:48:23 -0800 Message-ID: From: Andy Bierman To: Juergen Schoenwaelder , Benoit Claise , eman mailing list , draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib@tools.ietf.org, "MIB Doctors (E-mail)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c3e488cdfee104ed81587d Subject: Re: [eman] A single OID for energy and the 3 EMAN MIBs (message to draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib authors) X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 17:02:52 -0000 --001a11c3e488cdfee104ed81587d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, I was RMONMIB WG chair and I do remember there was concern after RMON had done this about 8 times. I think a CLR was created to prevent any attempt at data organization done by WGs. I think the reason was that the WG assigned a real OID in an I-D. People thought it was better to have XXX instead of a real number. If the I-D did not get published as an I-D, then an OID number was wasted. Only IANA can assign XXX to make sure only published RFCs get real OIDs. Andy On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 7:27 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder < j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 10:13:06AM +0100, Benoit Claise wrote: > > > While I understand that assigning a MODULE-IDENTITY descriptor could > > be problematic, here it's different: this unique MODULE-IDENTITY > > descriptor is for related MIB modules, and this happens to be a WG > > in this case. > > We have 3 MIB documents containing 5 MIB modules, all related to Energy: > > 2 are for Textual Conventions > > 3 are interconnected: the second and third ones require some > > objects to be implemented in the first one. > > I think bad experience was made with RMON but I am not 100% > sure. Things may start in one WG but later get out of control. For > stuff below mib-2 and transmission, there is a defined registry. > > What do you gain by a single OID? The single walk argument? Well, even > the IF-MIB is in two branches. And who knows what other stuff might be > put under the common OID root in the future. Decent management > applications likely don't walk arbitrary subtrees (but if OID based > MIB browsers is all we have, well then there might be some value). > > /js > > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 > _______________________________________________ > eman mailing list > eman@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman > --001a11c3e488cdfee104ed81587d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

I was RMONMIB WG chair and I do rem= ember there was concern
after RMON had done this about 8 times. I= think a CLR was created
to prevent any attempt at data organizat= ion done by WGs.
I think the reason was that the WG assigned a real OID in an I-D.
People thought it was better to have XXX instead of a
real = number. =A0If the I-D did not get published as an I-D, then
an OI= D number was wasted. Only IANA can assign XXX to
make sure only published RFCs get real OIDs.


<= div class=3D"gmail_extra">Andy



On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 7:27 AM, Juergen Schoenw= aelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> wrote:
On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 10:13:06AM +0100, Be= noit Claise wrote:

> While I understand that assigning a MODULE-IDENTITY descriptor could > be problematic, here it's different: this unique MODULE-IDENTITY > descriptor is for related MIB modules, and this happens to be a WG
> in this case.
> We have 3 MIB documents containing 5 MIB modules, all related to Energ= y:
> =A0 =A0 2 are for Textual Conventions
> =A0 =A0 3 are interconnected: the second and third ones require some > objects to be implemented in the first one.

I think bad experience was made with RMON but I am not 100%
sure. Things may start in one WG but later get out of control. For
stuff below mib-2 and transmission, there is a defined registry.

What do you gain by a single OID? The single walk argument? Well, even
the IF-MIB is in two branches. And who knows what other stuff might be
put under the common OID root in the future. Decent management
applications likely don't walk arbitrary subtrees (but if OID based
MIB browsers is all we have, well then there might be some value).

/js

--
Juergen Schoenwaelder =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, German= y
Fax: =A0 +49 421 200 3103 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 <http://www.jacobs-university.de/><= br> _______________________________________________
eman mailing list
eman@ietf.org
ht= tps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman

--001a11c3e488cdfee104ed81587d-- From randy_presuhn@mindspring.com Sat Dec 14 11:23:18 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9273D1AE27F; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 11:23:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pcWKRAvCrz8j; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 11:23:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62C7B1ADFF7; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 11:23:14 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=dnxrgNCHjRtHotnrL6PuUEze/8L31KnPMhsPoUY0lVU3e0BgR/mOHrj5HllP+6QM; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.35] (helo=elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Vruna-00046c-Ce; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 14:22:50 -0500 Received: from 76.254.54.154 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 14:22:50 -0500 Message-ID: <32654121.1387048970369.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 11:22:50 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Randy Presuhn To: Benoit Claise , eman mailing list , draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib@tools.ietf.org, "MIB Doctors (E-mail)" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 4488c18417c9426da92b9037bc8bcf44d4c20f6b8d69d8889e105617274a0edb4ba15379da6d40bdc55b79e56e2e1da1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.35 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 08:11:36 -0800 Subject: Re: [eman] [MIB-DOCTORS] A single OID for energy and the 3 EMAN MIBs (message to draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib authors) X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Randy Presuhn List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 19:23:21 -0000 Hi - >From: Benoit Claise >Sent: Dec 14, 2013 1:13 AM >To: eman mailing list , draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib@tools.i= etf.org, "MIB Doctors (E-mail)" >Subject: Re: [MIB-DOCTORS] [eman] A single OID for energy and the 3 EMAN M= IBs (message to draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib authors) > >Hi J=C3=BCrgen, MIB doctors, > >J=C3=BCrgen, >I wish you had reacted when this email was posted:=20 >http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/eman/current/msg02064.html, or=20 >during the WG meeting where it was discussed (too bad that the meeting=20 >minutes didn't cover that level of details). > >While I understand that assigning a MODULE-IDENTITY descriptor could be=20 >problematic, here it's different: this unique MODULE-IDENTITY descriptor= =20 >is for related MIB modules, and this happens to be a WG in this case. >We have 3 MIB documents containing 5 MIB modules, all related to Energy: > 2 are for Textual Conventions > 3 are interconnected: the second and third ones require some=20 >objects to be implemented in the first one. ... It's not forbidden, it's just not recommended, due to bad experiences in the past. So the question becomes one of figuring out what would be sufficient reason to disregard the recommendation. So what *does* such a registration accomplish? It means that the "related" MIB modules have one more leading subidentifier in common than if they had been registered conventionally, and that this subidentifier can be used to distinguish them as a group from other MIB modules. But what does *that* accomplish? I can only think of two possible benefits. 1) IFF all these MIB modules are implemented in a single process by a single logical subagent, then only one SMUX or AgentX registration request, rather than three, would be needed. In the implementations with which I am most familiar, the cost of slightly longer OID operations would be a wash when compared to the increased number of subtrees known to the master agent. In the subagent itself, the one-time savings in a smaller number of registrations would be eaten up over time by the slightly longer OID operations in SMUX, less so in Agentx. (However, for purposes of maintaining sysORTable, the subagent would probably still register all three subtrees, thus resulting in a net increase in processing cost due to the longer OIDs.) (Also, the subagent code generation tools with which I am most familiar do not generate code to support registrations "above" a compiled MIB module.) 2) Similar to the subagent question, the proposed registration structure could, for each distinct access control policy specifically concerned with these MIB modules, reduce the number of entries in the vacmViewTreeFamilyTable by as much as two, though the vacmViewTreeFamilySubtree and vacmViewTreeFamilyMask would be correspondingly longer. Of course, whether one's management tools would know to "merge" the policies for "lexicographically related" MIB modules is a question for the management tool vendors. I suspect that the tools probably *don't* know how to do this kind of optimization, and that there are too few cases where it happens to make such an optimization worthwhile. In short, I find both of these lines of reasoning entirely unconvincing as arguments for disregarding registration conventions. Perhaps the working group could explain what they thought they would gain by doing such a registration. Randy From tnadeau@lucidvision.com Mon Dec 16 07:56:04 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FED11AE362 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 07:56:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.438 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.438 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16UZq0laGT-T for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 07:56:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from lucidvision.com (lucidvision.com [72.71.250.34]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2137B1AE02D for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 07:56:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.112] (static-72-71-250-38.cncdnh.fast04.myfairpoint.net [72.71.250.38]) by lucidvision.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EB3C268A20C; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 10:56:02 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_440782C9-2B61-43AF-99C2-CA3B5D685E6F"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.0 \(1822\)) From: Thomas Nadeau In-Reply-To: <52AB8777.9060704@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 10:56:01 -0500 Message-Id: <653A4764-315C-4671-B0DA-389553CB3E29@lucidvision.com> References: <5298B7FA.1010509@cisco.com> <52A5A9FA.80101@cisco.com> <52A5C2A6.9000501@cisco.com> <52AB8777.9060704@cisco.com> To: eman mailing list X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1822) Subject: [eman] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 and draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13 X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 15:56:04 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_440782C9-2B61-43AF-99C2-CA3B5D685E6F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 As agreed at the last WG meeting, with the EMAN Framework = completing its WG LC the chairs would like to initiate a WG LC on = draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 and = draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13. The WG LC will end on Dec 30 at = 8AM EDT.=20 Thank you, Nevil and Tom --Apple-Mail=_440782C9-2B61-43AF-99C2-CA3B5D685E6F Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJSryKRAAoJEPcO+I7eiUJZoIIQAIvzUX/MAsEzczQOwDV2Jtka TkbGt+esoif29pBJxSY8hVOeMlTbIBbnBBIkoMSM/NzpqFNUmywvI962W9xw5DoD lSvdjRI/PDvS4E+zabXtEs+Va66Q7tcG796Wd62bAlgHI0/IKMCw/iTKZ9XMkdd1 YKbucYl82dYFX3wBQUaLN3MIHxDUoWqalNVfEMCeDWdEBiby5EOYaAVjE3n6oLgP AITD86JhoR4zyTk2PbNWV6MEC/8jBz3oZqVU5/rTZj2MmA3ZA5awOvUp92rNOSJ2 /0rH+ewulceK5X+w+cWiWuhkRtoCb3ixZ8i7lPhT9VubfnDGXLH+G4oE4xjjrEa5 VtuJHVnmb3aDeg8RXB4AOcDzfBa8GMLbFAghHj4SjDwDnfoyjCn7w7YAJDetvfhU pJqCtjn+FIu56gnz0q5llEqpE8rdatDnOEJpDpvTr8HOqTr5ukoPQcorImza0AcO ddgUNx/yYQU6GwwF22nzUyhQ314VAIHUutzdWvjWNH2nfUDLNjwehJl2IcDDwI+W lmyikOFJmCoAipzyFtBx3t3zvW/MUU1mkkHE3MXYZ5oDA7GK5PhulgGs7mqqsVSG 7K1tZ0IsINlpnX66AJcxApXlMhQ/BMBuhq2te8w9ZWv1VWGKLTPmMXcdcUVB+2Jo SBrxZOsqLxMAlnGwop86 =vqgD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_440782C9-2B61-43AF-99C2-CA3B5D685E6F-- From tnadeau@lucidvision.com Mon Dec 16 08:06:08 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7D311AE317 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 08:06:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.438 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.438 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QjO_7wxPQtf7 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 08:06:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from lucidvision.com (lucidvision.com [72.71.250.34]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B268E1AE046 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 08:06:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.112] (static-72-71-250-38.cncdnh.fast04.myfairpoint.net [72.71.250.38]) by lucidvision.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C188268A291; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 11:06:05 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Nadeau Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_315BA7D5-0EF8-4D78-85CC-1BA9FF7688D3"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 11:06:04 -0500 Message-Id: To: eman mailing list Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.0 \(1822\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1822) Cc: draft-ietf-eman-framework@tools.ietf.org, eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: [eman] IPR Poll: draft-ietf-eman-framework X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 16:06:08 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_315BA7D5-0EF8-4D78-85CC-1BA9FF7688D3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii =09 This mail starts the IPR poll on draft-ietf-eman-framework. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-eman-framework? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to this email explicitly regardless of whether or not you are aware of any = relevant IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the EMAN wg mailing list.* The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and contributor. If you are on the EMAN WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. Thank you, Nevil and Tom, EMAN WG Chairs --Apple-Mail=_315BA7D5-0EF8-4D78-85CC-1BA9FF7688D3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJSryTsAAoJEPcO+I7eiUJZ7WAP/j2AEoEe4Do/rc/i/Rddeb7+ H8DMvrrRW4Uy8lqZgyFv2nzzjdbKArug8YtVp7VFlAx/q8uY3M+xgJINO/Ud3SFL mdglNZiyydVbILBjNl/bn/AOM3toMUeEqpfcznao7mQbQF5VM/sj8Sh6PfAEtol5 KaIgqykmASNmF7Kv/k6agGgu0xZ4I2dsPNv0rEu7yDpT6pnyHWTIKTtZoGrZEmK+ XY1690EbncRpZZlNtpi+uO8xO8R4bGY+uPtxiemAD/X2/wOFNSW39OupPOUZZdyy q51Rq6mKJjnat+Qai0kPRpyWmYZ7MENAQlcpnbS/lfPobgWweXtyeJ48DlT2O/8K 7Vd47XD1C1xmTDK7cs17nmzpmeOPwQ8bwcDkTZMWjp5XIHRwYRCt/COc4SOna54Q zd1U/y2LXjkIriZAUTGIIycSwmU9yborGA2R/Z9ZG4M9OsjQmpSh8PVpfGlnm+S0 9S5lQGvg8imNu7ZOY8UEuZKHkQgMwth6GpFz0lGj1PjX5DoCZBpWHtcZUaTwLfCC AvmaQRC7jA3yzQ/sg4UK/tpjQxR9QNghyjur/CiTplwW+g2qyQMPeUWIpcG3lc6h cekQJC9uSin5S8mfuOEBsBtUokaJmha3KOj6yoXFLT66GdXqq9Q1UAVpb7hgcoJa 1puaeihPG3jHvnEmP0hM =9HMx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_315BA7D5-0EF8-4D78-85CC-1BA9FF7688D3-- From tnadeau@lucidvision.com Mon Dec 16 08:06:11 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A9B61AE354 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 08:06:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.438 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.438 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XFPS6FupeDUF for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 08:06:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from lucidvision.com (lucidvision.com [72.71.250.34]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23C481AE317 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 08:06:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.112] (static-72-71-250-38.cncdnh.fast04.myfairpoint.net [72.71.250.38]) by lucidvision.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63836268A296; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 11:06:08 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Nadeau Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_DCC83585-BA77-4543-8B05-678D6AA55E35"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 11:06:08 -0500 Message-Id: <36DA8D84-C6D5-4A55-8B4A-2D155B449928@lucidvision.com> To: eman mailing list Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.0 \(1822\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1822) Cc: draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib@tools.ietf.org, eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: [eman] IPR Poll: draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 16:06:11 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_DCC83585-BA77-4543-8B05-678D6AA55E35 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii =09 This mail starts the IPR poll on draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to = draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to this email explicitly regardless of whether or not you are aware of any = relevant IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the EMAN wg mailing list.* The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and contributor. If you are on the EMAN WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. Thank you, Nevil and Tom, EMAN WG Chairs --Apple-Mail=_DCC83585-BA77-4543-8B05-678D6AA55E35 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJSryTwAAoJEPcO+I7eiUJZ8zwQAIncTJa7aYusOMM5yl/FOHKj uZTKcmWfrTzLYZ7xBIjgj+egxlrjqSeZQYrvxsWb8Wbd9y7/htCrCD1uk5PsXavM JUSXn2h3s4ep8vr9Ov4SmRbOvMzx4Q5c2KemeFVeCgYn2/HNnYIBNuNhV9GyWiLL Uvyi85COT4/uw+Imqf7M1M6vjooKGZiJReA6KCnV+luK6cr5TcsuTf0N05QaTAxw pK/zMwT/ML5szvW6TF0HkPOFN/TnXhcnSOAnnp26OMJkVSTmVKw+PJRBuJhcdu4H oBBLNRvgusggFkGjVYHHRZK2UiSi9oIbAlYCoHIJMoUh3yz+0tfhJamvgnlNbdni eyFmORuIlDTLMiSkMKuvZMAiDALaRRAEoBJV+99KMGFOXWcbsx8i10Rdgg0Khrz6 h+N1+gNx1SAN7YYhRN5olDPplFwyXHA7XIoUr0wX8zg9D+93cpTwvbSo+5R2OQQZ pdYK5a/nHvhHkrZdOdoKge5fW/yNxEA5DTKaK1RS80MO9XAk2+g1cqZPN6CxAf8T xZ8f9dHSm81+Ijgy7yEWIaY5e4mBaHI/eFEdatKkaUqSIZMq5ZJXRlgPBNYhlyo6 VA5Od11g40h8Gbi6DB9rm9Pcd2Z99wjbgk+QOat7Z+6JcJDDzGXtLYQqhoyLwRm3 PBHO0Uy+HbkmJNh7Z64+ =ftiQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_DCC83585-BA77-4543-8B05-678D6AA55E35-- From tnadeau@lucidvision.com Mon Dec 16 08:06:16 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2588B1AE317 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 08:06:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.438 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.438 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bfTnSQjHI9wb for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 08:06:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from lucidvision.com (lucidvision.com [72.71.250.34]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD4A91A9313 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 08:06:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.112] (static-72-71-250-38.cncdnh.fast04.myfairpoint.net [72.71.250.38]) by lucidvision.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DFDE268A2A5; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 11:06:14 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Nadeau Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_EDFA2558-4910-455D-B9B1-639C516F7E6E"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 11:06:13 -0500 Message-Id: To: eman mailing list Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.0 \(1822\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1822) Cc: draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib@tools.ietf.org, eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: [eman] IPR Poll: draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13 X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 16:06:16 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_EDFA2558-4910-455D-B9B1-639C516F7E6E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii =09 This mail starts the IPR poll on draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to = draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to this email explicitly regardless of whether or not you are aware of any = relevant IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the EMAN wg mailing list.* The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and contributor. If you are on the EMAN WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. 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> > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to > this email explicitly regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant > IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the EMAN wg mailing list.* The > document will not advance to the next stage until a response > has been received from each author and contributor. > > If you are on the EMAN WG email list but are not listed as an author or > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any > IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > Thank you, > > Nevil and Tom, EMAN WG Chairs > > From tnadeau@lucidvision.com Mon Dec 16 09:38:37 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 819491AE027 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 09:38:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.438 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.438 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FSBozeALyDSd for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 09:38:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from lucidvision.com (lucidvision.com [72.71.250.34]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB3D61ADF83 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 09:38:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.112] (static-72-71-250-38.cncdnh.fast04.myfairpoint.net [72.71.250.38]) by lucidvision.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE92F268A5DA; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 12:38:34 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_442521FB-3849-4A5A-B15C-2E4D3B827690"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.0 \(1822\)) From: Thomas Nadeau In-Reply-To: <52AF3097.3020905@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 12:38:33 -0500 Message-Id: <275682ED-D962-4AAB-8CD2-5BEEBCCC941E@lucidvision.com> References: <52AF3097.3020905@cisco.com> To: Benoit Claise X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1822) Cc: draft-ietf-eman-framework@tools.ietf.org, eman mailing list , eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [eman] IPR Poll: draft-ietf-eman-framework X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 17:38:37 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_442521FB-3849-4A5A-B15C-2E4D3B827690 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 That was on version -08. I believe I need to ask for the = last/latest version. --Tom On Dec 16, 2013:11:55 AM, at 11:55 AM, Benoit Claise = wrote: > Tom, >=20 > As an author, the IPR I know about has already been declared some time = ago. > = https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?option=3Ddocument_search&id=3Ddra= ft-ietf-eman-framework >=20 > Regards, Benoit >> =09 >> This mail starts the IPR poll on draft-ietf-eman-framework. >>=20 >> Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-eman-framework? >>=20 >> If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules >> (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). >>=20 >> If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond = to >> this email explicitly regardless of whether or not you are aware of = any relevant >> IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the EMAN wg mailing list.* The >> document will not advance to the next stage until a response >> has been received from each author and contributor. >>=20 >> If you are on the EMAN WG email list but are not listed as an author = or >> contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of = any >> IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. >>=20 >> Thank you, >>=20 >> Nevil and Tom, EMAN WG Chairs >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_442521FB-3849-4A5A-B15C-2E4D3B827690 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; 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boundary="_000_FB36AFCD658B470090C28606E03BC642ciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "draft-ietf-eman-framework@tools.ietf.org" , eman mailing list , "eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [eman] IPR Poll: draft-ietf-eman-framework X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 17:54:45 -0000 --_000_FB36AFCD658B470090C28606E03BC642ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Same for me. As author and author I have added any IPR for the document already, and it = is reflected in the tool. I don't know of any other IPR related to the doc. Jp Sent from my iPad (expect ridiculous spelling mistakes) On Dec 16, 2013, at 9:26 AM, "Brad Schoening" > wrote: As an author, I am not aware of any IPR disclosures beyond the one Benoit h= as mentioned (ID #2161) Regards, Brad Schoening On 12/16/2013 11:06 AM, Thomas Nadeau wrote: This mail starts the IPR poll on draft-ietf-eman-framework. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-eman-framework? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to this email explicitly regardless of whether or not you are aware of any rel= evant IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the EMAN wg mailing list.* The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and contributor. If you are on the EMAN WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. Thank you, Nevil and Tom, EMAN WG Chairs -- Brad Schoening Email: --_000_FB36AFCD658B470090C28606E03BC642ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Same for me.

As author and author I have added any IPR for the document alread= y, and it is reflected in the tool. I don't know of any other IPR related t= o the doc.


Jp

Sent from my iPad 
(expect ridiculous spelling mistakes) 

On Dec 16, 2013, at 9:26 AM, "Brad Schoening" <brad.schoening@verizon.net> wrote:

As an author, I am not aware of any IPR disclosures beyond the one Benoit h= as mentioned (ID #2161)

Regards,

Brad Schoening

On 12/16/2013 11:06 AM, Thomas Nadeau wrote:
=09
This mail starts the IPR poll on draft-ietf-eman-framework.

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-eman-framework?

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
this email explicitly regardless of whether or not you are aware of any rel=
evant
IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the EMAN wg mailing list.* The
document will not advance to the next stage until a response
has been received from each author and contributor.

If you are on the EMAN WG email list but are not listed as an author or
contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any
IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

	Thank you,

	Nevil and Tom, EMAN WG Chairs




--
Brad Schoening
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--_000_FB36AFCD658B470090C28606E03BC642ciscocom_-- From bnordman@lbl.gov Mon Dec 16 12:05:41 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C6A1AC862 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 12:05:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.115 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.115 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8KhMFOydIzsf for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 12:05:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe1.lbl.gov (fe1.lbl.gov [128.3.41.133]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39DAA1A1F4C for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 12:05:34 -0800 (PST) X-Ironport-SBRS: 4.8 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ai4EAKNcr1JKfVKzlGdsb2JhbABWA4JGfFWwGohXgSAIFg4BAQEBBwsLCRIqgiUBAQEDAQEBAWsGBRALBAcDOCIFDQEFARwGE4d8CAUIpBakAheONxACAT8MBAcRhCUEiUOOU4EwjncYKYR3Gw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.95,496,1384329600"; d="scan'208";a="35813461" Received: from mail-we0-f179.google.com ([74.125.82.179]) by fe1.lbl.gov with ESMTP; 16 Dec 2013 12:05:32 -0800 Received: by mail-we0-f179.google.com with SMTP id q59so5200304wes.10 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 12:05:32 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=pjqKYgXXqpf/OQSlHZdlqCl5Z9fa3YwNJhm/3paDZtU=; b=TXs0a18AWRg73wThwZ8+urKYGMnx1m5WH6bJ1YyMiO2kfrjUIta67GampMeGYEWHhy cowKGaek74W9SRvJW10E8A9N5X880pp8tuzoztyT5KE733pmvnkzaQNgHptpvEyl+lSz rNjdah77gs9ag6LvZQ0TabWDwEsMGyUFdBo5LufZS500UPLSN+JuxlOeI/vAJn7QUB7S oPJEs+zkJ20PXwx+WeRGokhkSUEzrA4WD9n4RgWQ6MoIy5kzMGqOVemjSsFhShYqY339 1i3vmFUn2eFV+h9U4g7j/mbTtp8zNZj7dE+xqeeraTGF77K5LASR6vZlM74y2zG9HFux N7EQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnV1j9nKy2cHfJXwHkYOixftP1Anh9Vus0mf5sHqshpwXen+PSwnpWILcMO10dKMDkYc6X8QM3woO9gsajcXsQm+ZVi2vJVW53GaiCY7cppNHIqX+o64QHHXiUzGg425Kivny9v X-Received: by 10.180.96.106 with SMTP id dr10mr14778762wib.27.1387224332188; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 12:05:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.96.106 with SMTP id dr10mr14778757wib.27.1387224332076; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 12:05:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.90.38 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 12:05:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 12:05:31 -0800 Message-ID: From: Bruce Nordman To: Thomas Nadeau Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0418270289931d04edac55e7 Cc: "draft-ietf-eman-framework@tools.ietf.org" , eman mailing list , "eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [eman] IPR Poll: draft-ietf-eman-framework X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 20:05:44 -0000 --f46d0418270289931d04edac55e7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I am not currently an author on draft-ietf-eman-framework but earlier did contribute some concepts and text. I am not aware of any relevant IPR. Thank you, --Bruce On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Thomas Nadeau wrote: > > This mail starts the IPR poll on draft-ietf-eman-framework. > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-eman-framework? > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to > this email explicitly regardless of whether or not you are aware of any > relevant > IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the EMAN wg mailing list.* The > document will not advance to the next stage until a response > has been received from each author and contributor. > > If you are on the EMAN WG email list but are not listed as an author or > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any > IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > Thank you, > > Nevil and Tom, EMAN WG Chairs > > > > _______________________________________________ > eman mailing list > eman@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman > > -- *Bruce Nordman* Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory *nordman.lbl.gov * BNordman@LBL.gov 510-486-7089 m: 510-501-7943 --f46d0418270289931d04edac55e7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am not currently an author on draft-ietf-eman-frame= work
but earlier did contribute some concepts and text.
I am n= ot aware of any relevant IPR.
Thank you,
--Bruce


On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Thomas = Nadeau <tnadeau@lucidvision.com> wrote:

This mail starts the IPR poll on draft-ietf-eman-framework.

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-eman-framework?

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
this email explicitly regardless of whether or not you are aware of any rel= evant
IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the EMAN wg mailing list.* The
document will not advance to the next stage until a response
has been received from each author and contributor.

If you are on the EMAN WG email list but are not listed as an author or
contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Thank you,

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Nevil and Tom, EMAN WG Chairs



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510-486-7089
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--f46d0418270289931d04edac55e7-- From Quittek@neclab.eu Tue Dec 17 01:30:03 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E3291AE0D9 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 01:30:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.14 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.14 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sgEL1xYS4dz0 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 01:30:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailer1.neclab.eu (mailer1.neclab.eu [195.37.70.40]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02BDE1ADF7C for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 01:30:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailer1.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 468D01065C1; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 10:20:39 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (netlab.nec.de) Received: from mailer1.neclab.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas-a.office.hd [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YL31+g+NyRnU; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 10:20:39 +0100 (CET) X-ENC: Last-Hop-TLS-encrypted X-ENC: Last-Hop-TLS-encrypted Received: from METHONE.office.hd (methone.office.hd [192.168.24.54]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailer1.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C0DF1065C4; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 10:20:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from PALLENE.office.hd ([169.254.1.239]) by METHONE.office.hd ([192.168.24.54]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 10:29:39 +0100 From: Juergen Quittek To: Thomas Nadeau , eman mailing list Thread-Topic: [eman] IPR Poll: draft-ietf-eman-framework Thread-Index: AQHO+njJRkZvF1J66U20tqErwxaMsppYH9HA Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 09:29:38 +0000 Message-ID: <9AB93E4127C26F4BA7829DEFDCE5A6E86887BC4E@PALLENE.office.hd> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: de-DE, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.1.2.165] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "draft-ietf-eman-framework@tools.ietf.org" , "eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [eman] IPR Poll: draft-ietf-eman-framework X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 09:30:03 -0000 Dear Tom, As an author I am not aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-eman-fram= ework that has not yet been filed for this draft. Juergen > -----Original Message----- > From: eman [mailto:eman-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Nadeau > Sent: Montag, 16. Dezember 2013 17:06 > To: eman mailing list > Cc: draft-ietf-eman-framework@tools.ietf.org; eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org > Subject: [eman] IPR Poll: draft-ietf-eman-framework >=20 >=20 > This mail starts the IPR poll on draft-ietf-eman-framework. >=20 > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-eman-framework? >=20 > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see= RFCs > 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). >=20 > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to t= his > email explicitly regardless of whether or not you are aware of any releva= nt IPR. > *The response needs to be sent to the EMAN wg mailing list.* The document > will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received fro= m each > author and contributor. >=20 > If you are on the EMAN WG email list but are not listed as an author or > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any = IPR that > has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. >=20 > Thank you, >=20 > Nevil and Tom, EMAN WG Chairs >=20 From Quittek@neclab.eu Tue Dec 17 01:31:35 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADCFE1AE0CA for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 01:31:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.14 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.14 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sioeXZGrLOy6 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 01:31:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailer1.neclab.eu (mailer1.neclab.eu [195.37.70.40]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 672F61AE026 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 01:31:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailer1.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D8581065C0; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 10:22:13 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (netlab.nec.de) Received: from mailer1.neclab.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas-a.office.hd [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9ah4O0OkCI3r; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 10:22:13 +0100 (CET) X-ENC: Last-Hop-TLS-encrypted X-ENC: Last-Hop-TLS-encrypted Received: from METHONE.office.hd (methone.office.hd [192.168.24.54]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailer1.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 223F0106599; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 10:22:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from PALLENE.office.hd ([169.254.1.239]) by METHONE.office.hd ([192.168.24.54]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 10:31:23 +0100 From: Juergen Quittek To: Thomas Nadeau , eman mailing list Thread-Topic: [eman] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 and draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13 Thread-Index: AQHO+ndiYJGZWdpqpE2anb88yvyKyppYH7RA Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 09:31:23 +0000 Message-ID: <9AB93E4127C26F4BA7829DEFDCE5A6E86887BC8D@PALLENE.office.hd> References: <5298B7FA.1010509@cisco.com> <52A5A9FA.80101@cisco.com> <52A5C2A6.9000501@cisco.com> <52AB8777.9060704@cisco.com> <653A4764-315C-4671-B0DA-389553CB3E29@lucidvision.com> In-Reply-To: <653A4764-315C-4671-B0DA-389553CB3E29@lucidvision.com> Accept-Language: de-DE, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.1.2.165] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [eman] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 and draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13 X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 09:31:35 -0000 Dear Tom, As an author I am not aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-eman-ener= gy-monitoring-mib and that has not yet been filed for this draft. Juergen > -----Original Message----- > From: eman [mailto:eman-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Nadeau > Sent: Montag, 16. Dezember 2013 16:56 > To: eman mailing list > Subject: [eman] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 > and draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13 >=20 >=20 > As agreed at the last WG meeting, with the EMAN Framework > completing its WG LC the chairs would like to initiate a WG LC on draft-i= etf- > eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 and draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13. > The WG LC will end on Dec 30 at 8AM EDT. >=20 > Thank you, >=20 > Nevil and Tom >=20 From bclaise@cisco.com Tue Dec 17 06:36:56 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F29311ADFCA for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 06:36:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.039 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.039 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XNAvCxUdP1I8 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 06:36:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from aer-iport-2.cisco.com (aer-iport-2.cisco.com [173.38.203.52]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AE611ADEBA for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 06:36:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1171; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1387291014; x=1388500614; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8go38O2cpoqMGDfNspNLuGyZSOLnV3fT4Mpjy8Yly/U=; b=X+yOSxKX4j/JEbco4hZjB/wLGeTiqxNJqffU3J1w6fvTfFJ112iXxQ7+ XHliaS6oRT8ERZS0b9v5A29FA/JHUJxZKrP8ghT1MwR52ejqwBBpzRL8l gfRrZVcD6qLFeatve7uIkKMEm5nnUJD09lKfSajHbbTL6puxetpt4GWDg Q=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjoFAM1gsFKQ/khM/2dsb2JhbABZgwq5dYEeFnSCJgEBBB0bQAEQCw4TFgQLCQMCAQIBRQYBDAEHAQGIAMkUF48SB4Q2AQOYFoZFi0+BbYE/Ow X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.95,501,1384300800"; d="scan'208";a="1753587" Received: from ams-core-3.cisco.com ([144.254.72.76]) by aer-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 17 Dec 2013 14:36:53 +0000 Received: from [10.60.67.86] (ams-bclaise-8915.cisco.com [10.60.67.86]) by ams-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id rBHEaqXr024098; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 14:36:52 GMT Message-ID: <52B06184.3060509@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 15:36:52 +0100 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Nadeau , eman mailing list References: <5298B7FA.1010509@cisco.com> <52A5A9FA.80101@cisco.com> <52A5C2A6.9000501@cisco.com> <52AB8777.9060704@cisco.com> <653A4764-315C-4671-B0DA-389553CB3E29@lucidvision.com> In-Reply-To: <653A4764-315C-4671-B0DA-389553CB3E29@lucidvision.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [eman] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 and draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13 X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 14:36:56 -0000 Dear all, Feedback regarding draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib. EMAN should start at 768 and not 1024, according to the IANAPowerStateSet TC. eman(1024), -- indicates EMAN set emanmechoff(1025), emansoftoff(1026), emanhibernate(1027), emansleep(1028), emanstandby(1029), emanready(1030), emanlowMinus(1031), emanlow(1032), emanmediumMinus(1033), emanmedium(1034), emanhighMinus(1035), emanhigh(1036) I should have probably spotted that one earlier. Sorry. Regards, Benoit > As agreed at the last WG meeting, with the EMAN Framework completing its WG LC the chairs would like to initiate a WG LC on draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 and draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13. The WG LC will end on Dec 30 at 8AM EDT. > > Thank you, > > Nevil and Tom > > From bclaise@cisco.com Tue Dec 17 06:44:07 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B29A01AE1B8 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 06:44:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.038 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.038 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bTh8-a8yxXIe for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 06:44:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from aer-iport-1.cisco.com (aer-iport-1.cisco.com [173.38.203.51]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D37061AE1B6 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 06:44:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=3478; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1387291445; x=1388501045; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to; bh=XEHdrSYlgVfcgZi8x4isXVBlTKRfaqbB271b2hD6mJ4=; b=esM7EMXVAbOpdNMCPFEQrK0GsMAKwi7DIP0b2XKms1sRMIsqi5S7FJNS NQBWMQt8kqI8mqPlAgKKekHbSDhEDD0U87+9H+wX9sJ1gyCyJf65YUmIN 8wPeFTZXmh1brs/G3K8f0fSXlf0HyNkV6XdR2KaDkmvCOGQOjrB069wbd o=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjwFADFisFKQ/khR/2dsb2JhbABZgwo4uT2BHhZ0giYBAQQBAQFrBgQBEAsEChMWDwkDAgECARUwBgEMAQUCAQGIAA3JCRMEjjAQAgFPB4Q2BJgWhkWLT4MsOw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.95,501,1384300800"; d="scan'208,217";a="2366614" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com ([144.254.72.81]) by aer-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 17 Dec 2013 14:44:04 +0000 Received: from [10.60.67.86] (ams-bclaise-8915.cisco.com [10.60.67.86]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id rBHEi26a018751; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 14:44:03 GMT Message-ID: <52B06332.7080107@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 15:44:02 +0100 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Nadeau , eman mailing list References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080300090702010606070500" Cc: draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib@tools.ietf.org, eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [eman] IPR Poll: draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13 X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 14:44:07 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080300090702010606070500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Tom, As a document author, I'm not aware of any other IPRs related to draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib, next to the one already disclosed. Regards, Benoit > > This mail starts the IPR poll on draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib. > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib? > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to > this email explicitly regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant > IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the EMAN wg mailing list.* The > document will not advance to the next stage until a response > has been received from each author and contributor. > > If you are on the EMAN WG email list but are not listed as an author or > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any > IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > Thank you, > > Nevil and Tom, EMAN WG Chairs > > > > > _______________________________________________ > eman mailing list > eman@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman --------------080300090702010606070500 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hi Tom,

As a document author, I'm not aware of any other IPRs related to draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib, next to the one already disclosed.

Regards, Benoit
	
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--------------080300090702010606070500-- From bclaise@cisco.com Tue Dec 17 06:44:44 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29E7F1AE1E4 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 06:44:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.038 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.038 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cuQieAz6dQLB for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 06:44:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from aer-iport-1.cisco.com (aer-iport-1.cisco.com [173.38.203.51]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8EAD1AE1B6 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 06:44:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=3488; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1387291481; x=1388501081; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to; bh=z6IS2/nF1h6cTNovrgaftMhfac4vrZ8ZARdk3Z4tw3Y=; b=S23pftQUAXwumy6vRo013PU68fkZ9GTkSfOv23dlU0aIvzBYRKwdo68S 1mCY0ae+XggYmL0sP7ldCZNKYusHIX15v1WB0UvQAcv8Ww7uJFDnsfiLb ZCwCzX/TrynEoPtVwopatpQUDDhuECof/gm4X6Yw5xCrrFmUcbFS1BaPo o=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjwFADFisFKQ/khN/2dsb2JhbABZgwo4uT2BHhZ0giYBAQQBAQFrBgQBEAsEChMWDwkDAgECARUwBgEMAQUCAQGIAA3JCRMEjjAQAgFPB4Q2BJgWhkWLT4MsOw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.95,501,1384300800"; d="scan'208,217";a="2366632" Received: from ams-core-4.cisco.com ([144.254.72.77]) by aer-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 17 Dec 2013 14:44:40 +0000 Received: from [10.60.67.86] (ams-bclaise-8915.cisco.com [10.60.67.86]) by ams-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id rBHEidYw030090; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 14:44:39 GMT Message-ID: <52B06357.7070605@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 15:44:39 +0100 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Nadeau , eman mailing list References: <36DA8D84-C6D5-4A55-8B4A-2D155B449928@lucidvision.com> In-Reply-To: <36DA8D84-C6D5-4A55-8B4A-2D155B449928@lucidvision.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080601080308090808000704" Cc: draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib@tools.ietf.org, eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [eman] IPR Poll: draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 14:44:44 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080601080308090808000704 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Tom, As a document author, I'm not aware of any other IPRs related to draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib, next to the one already disclosed. Regards, Benoit > > This mail starts the IPR poll on draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib. > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib? > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to > this email explicitly regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant > IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the EMAN wg mailing list.* The > document will not advance to the next stage until a response > has been received from each author and contributor. > > If you are on the EMAN WG email list but are not listed as an author or > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any > IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > Thank you, > > Nevil and Tom, EMAN WG Chairs > > > _______________________________________________ > eman mailing list > eman@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman --------------080601080308090808000704 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hi Tom,

As a document author, I'm not aware of any other IPRs related to draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib, next to the one already disclosed.

Regards, Benoit
	
This mail starts the IPR poll on draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib.

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib?

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
this email explicitly regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant
IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the EMAN wg mailing list.* The
document will not advance to the next stage until a response
has been received from each author and contributor.

If you are on the EMAN WG email list but are not listed as an author or
contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any
IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

	Thank you,

	Nevil and Tom, EMAN WG Chairs


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--------------080601080308090808000704-- From jparello@cisco.com Tue Dec 17 07:55:30 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6380D1ADF73 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:55:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.038 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.038 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Tqmf9LDJgxU5 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:55:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com [173.37.86.73]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D41791AE047 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:55:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=4526; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1387295728; x=1388505328; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=dWDAy9p3JOtXv8lm8UYE2NIC6K6+ITRDkxTjxImppXQ=; b=FmmLywv5kl/Z4BhOUQANhIr/clrq6ArWei6gUNoVuNzd4BOyuVCz/3l6 BpeT6+v1LF0zZATGNBhaFHxy88vdLTa4RVOBH66RSjT7iEF1Uq/7SuzUK BClY9fgsuLYbbYs8pBK2FMnup152HTomAaqguCd16EC8picN7YsNXyMus k=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjwFAN1ysFKtJXG+/2dsb2JhbABZgwo4Sbh0gR8WdIImAQEEAQEBawYFEAIBCAQ7BycLFBECBA4FiAQNyRkTBI4wEAIBSwQHgyOBEwSYFpIUgys X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.95,502,1384300800"; d="scan'208,217";a="292072741" Received: from rcdn-core2-3.cisco.com ([173.37.113.190]) by rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 17 Dec 2013 15:55:27 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x04.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x04.cisco.com [173.37.183.78]) by rcdn-core2-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id rBHFtRqi012531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Dec 2013 15:55:27 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x04.cisco.com ([169.254.9.103]) by xhc-rcd-x04.cisco.com ([fe80::200:5efe:173.37.183.34%12]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 09:55:27 -0600 From: "John Parello (jparello)" To: "Benoit Claise (bclaise)" Thread-Topic: [eman] IPR Poll: draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13 Thread-Index: AQHO+njCY+ybwGJosEmHIfm0mchfI5pY3H4A//+vXaw= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 15:55:25 +0000 Message-ID: References: , <52B06332.7080107@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <52B06332.7080107@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BD7576817D1A45EEB00F628B2225845Eciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib@tools.ietf.org" , eman mailing list , "eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [eman] IPR Poll: draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13 X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 15:55:30 -0000 --_000_BD7576817D1A45EEB00F628B2225845Eciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Same for me. I don't know of any other IPR. Jp Sent from my iPad (expect ridiculous spelling mistakes) On Dec 17, 2013, at 6:44 AM, "Benoit Claise (bclaise)" > wrote: Hi Tom, As a document author, I'm not aware of any other IPRs related to draft-ietf= -eman-energy-aware-mib, next to the one already disclosed. Regards, Benoit This mail starts the IPR poll on draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to this email explicitly regardless of whether or not you are aware of any rel= evant IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the EMAN wg mailing list.* The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and contributor. If you are on the EMAN WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. Thank you, Nevil and Tom, EMAN WG Chairs _______________________________________________ eman mailing list eman@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman _______________________________________________ eman mailing list eman@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman --_000_BD7576817D1A45EEB00F628B2225845Eciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Same for me. I don't know of any other IPR.

Jp


Sent from my iPad 
(expect ridiculous spelling mistakes) 

On Dec 17, 2013, at 6:44 AM, "Benoit Claise (bclaise)" <bclaise@cisco.com> wrote:

Hi Tom,

As a document author, I'm not aware of any other IPRs related to draft-ietf= -eman-energy-aware-mib, next to the one already disclosed.

Regards, Benoit
=09
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Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib?

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(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
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evant
IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the EMAN wg mailing list.* The
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has been received from each author and contributor.

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--_000_BD7576817D1A45EEB00F628B2225845Eciscocom_-- From Thomas.Dietz@neclab.eu Thu Dec 19 04:15:04 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5142C1A1F1B for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 04:15:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.14 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.14 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QotpdBNr2sEr for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 04:15:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailer1.neclab.eu (mailer1.neclab.eu [195.37.70.40]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51AD11A1F33 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 04:15:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailer1.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E638106648; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 13:05:28 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (netlab.nec.de) Received: from mailer1.neclab.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas-a.office.hd [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PHteBtj9W4Qg; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 13:05:28 +0100 (CET) X-ENC: Last-Hop-TLS-encrypted X-ENC: Last-Hop-TLS-encrypted Received: from ENCELADUS.office.hd (enceladus.office.hd [192.168.24.52]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailer1.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F4B9106647; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 13:05:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from DAPHNIS.office.hd ([169.254.2.18]) by ENCELADUS.office.hd ([192.168.24.52]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 13:14:38 +0100 From: Thomas Dietz To: Thomas Nadeau , eman mailing list Thread-Topic: [eman] IPR Poll: draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 Thread-Index: AQHO+njLGAX4UuwpVk+qjvyukEpe9ZpbcpPg Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 12:14:37 +0000 Message-ID: <75581E268A48F849916117B977D76D376880BD42@DAPHNIS.office.hd> References: <36DA8D84-C6D5-4A55-8B4A-2D155B449928@lucidvision.com> In-Reply-To: <36DA8D84-C6D5-4A55-8B4A-2D155B449928@lucidvision.com> Accept-Language: en-US, de-DE Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.1.2.117] Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=SHA1; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0147_01CEFCBC.440E4480" MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib@tools.ietf.org" , "eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [eman] IPR Poll: draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 12:15:04 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_0147_01CEFCBC.440E4480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Tom, As an author I am not aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib and that has not yet been filed = for this draft. 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Last-Hop-TLS-encrypted X-ENC: Last-Hop-TLS-encrypted Received: from METHONE.office.hd (methone.office.hd [192.168.24.54]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailer1.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA5241065F6; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 17:21:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from DAPHNIS.office.hd ([169.254.2.18]) by METHONE.office.hd ([192.168.24.54]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 17:31:18 +0100 From: Juergen Quittek To: Benoit Claise , eman mailing list , "draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib@tools.ietf.org" , "MIB Doctors (E-mail)" Thread-Topic: [eman] A single OID for energy and the 3 EMAN MIBs (message to draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib authors) Thread-Index: AQHO+FMf76TAmnRYTkadaz6w6T55dJpTTpgAgAAJZACACGQoMA== Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 16:31:17 +0000 Message-ID: <9AB93E4127C26F4BA7829DEFDCE5A6E86889143C@DAPHNIS.office.hd> References: <52AB8ABB.2080901@cisco.com> <20131214083930.GA86143@elstar.local> <52AC2122.4000204@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <52AC2122.4000204@cisco.com> Accept-Language: de-DE, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.1.2.165] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [eman] A single OID for energy and the 3 EMAN MIBs (message to draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib authors) X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 16:31:44 -0000 Hi Benoit, I don't think it is a big issue to revise this decision in order to be in l= ine with IETF recommendations. It was anyway only a question of style.=20 There was no technical reason to use one OID for all. As a workaround we can ask IANA for consecutive OIDs for these drafts. I did not understand a comment you made: > We have 3 MIB documents containing 5 MIB modules, all related to Energy: > 2 are for Textual Conventions > 3 are interconnected: the second and third ones require some objects= to be I assume the third of the 3 'interconnected' modules is the BATTERY MIB. Ho= w is it connected to the others? I do not see any dependency of the BATTERY= MIB on the other two modules. Cheers, Juergen > -----Original Message----- > From: eman [mailto:eman-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Benoit Claise > Sent: Samstag, 14. Dezember 2013 10:13 > To: eman mailing list; draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib@tools.ietf.org; MIB Do= ctors > (E-mail) > Subject: Re: [eman] A single OID for energy and the 3 EMAN MIBs (message = to > draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib authors) >=20 > Hi J=FCrgen, MIB doctors, >=20 > J=FCrgen, > I wish you had reacted when this email was posted: > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/eman/current/msg02064.html, or > during the WG meeting where it was discussed (too bad that the meeting > minutes didn't cover that level of details). >=20 > While I understand that assigning a MODULE-IDENTITY descriptor could be > problematic, here it's different: this unique MODULE-IDENTITY descriptor = is for > related MIB modules, and this happens to be a WG in this case. > We have 3 MIB documents containing 5 MIB modules, all related to Energy: > 2 are for Textual Conventions > 3 are interconnected: the second and third ones require some objects= to be > implemented in the first one. >=20 > MIB doctors, > Let us know your advice >=20 > Regards, Benoit >=20 > > Hi, > > > > in the past such registration spaces led to problems (I think RMON was > > the case) and I think because of that we moved pretty much all > > registrations below mib-2 and transmission. Bert Wijnen might recall > > the details. If we change our strategy, we should probably have strong > > reasons and understand the longer term implications. There is the > > relvant quote from RFC 4181: > > > > - The value assigned to the MODULE-IDENTITY descriptor MUST be uniq= ue > > and (for IETF standards-track MIB modules) SHOULD reside under th= e > > mgmt subtree [RFC2578]. Most often it will be an IANA-assigned > > value directly under mib-2 [RFC2578], although for media-specific > > MIB modules that extend the IF-MIB [RFC2863] it is customary to u= se > > an IANA-assigned value under transmission [RFC2578]. In the past= , > > some IETF working groups have made their own assignments from > > subtrees delegated to them by IANA, but that practice has proven > > problematic and is NOT RECOMMENDED. > > > > /js > > > > On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 11:31:23PM +0100, Benoit Claise wrote: > >> Dear all, > >> > >> During the last IETF meeting, there was an agreement to go for a > >> single energyMIB OID under mib-2. > >> > >> energyObjectContextMIB MODULE-IDENTITY > >> (draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib) is under energyMIB.1 > >> ianaEnergyRelationMIB MODULE-IDENTITY > >> (draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib) is under energyMIB.2 > >> energyObjectMIB MODULE-IDENTITY > >> (draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib) is under energyMIB.3 > >> powerAttributesMIB MODULE-IDENTITY > >> (draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib) is under energyMIB.4 > >> > >> For draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib, you can start with energyMIB.5 Note > >> that draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib requests: > >> > >> Descriptor OBJECT IDENTIFIER value > >> ---------- ----------------------- > >> > >> energyMIB { mib-2 XXX } > >> > >> > >> Btw, both draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib and > >> draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib are ready for WGLC. > >> > >> Regards, Benoit > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> eman mailing list > >> eman@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman >=20 > _______________________________________________ > eman mailing list > eman@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman From bclaise@cisco.com Fri Dec 20 02:45:13 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2AC81AC441; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 02:45:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.038 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.038 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id juD34n1bJtqx; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 02:45:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from aer-iport-1.cisco.com (aer-iport-1.cisco.com [173.38.203.51]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DBF31AE1BA; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 02:45:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=13474; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1387536308; x=1388745908; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject:references: in-reply-to; bh=SBjp4bJ9CtEgCT3QjrFAkuYWfXCXjo7q50g+Vcsm41o=; b=TmasuGhZz83wYPcyWfpOyr4vcejGhGDbnosz2Q33jHOnmrRj89/ezNRj EcYt+7Ie8Li7gKz0xJBAcDPPjzVMEOlYorF8b751ujJIPQ7RWMvWhUmip yr/2RPAcWiaud3WNHNFgB86T6o5aKR7iBbJdwWp8Yh3Dl8fg0y9yzDE+A o=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgcFAMketFKQ/khN/2dsb2JhbABQCYMLOIk1sFWBGBZ0giUBAQEEAQEBaxcECxEEAQEBCRoEBw8CFh8JCAYBDAYCAQEFh3sNylgXjioGBwkCAVYGhDAElDODY4ZFi0+BbYE/Ow X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.95,520,1384300800"; d="scan'208,217";a="2571032" Received: from ams-core-4.cisco.com ([144.254.72.77]) by aer-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 20 Dec 2013 10:45:06 +0000 Received: from [10.60.67.86] (ams-bclaise-8915.cisco.com [10.60.67.86]) by ams-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id rBKAj6jP010149; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 10:45:06 GMT Message-ID: <52B41FB2.30105@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 11:45:06 +0100 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juergen Quittek , eman mailing list , "draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib@tools.ietf.org" , "MIB Doctors (E-mail)" References: <52AB8ABB.2080901@cisco.com> <20131214083930.GA86143@elstar.local> <52AC2122.4000204@cisco.com> <9AB93E4127C26F4BA7829DEFDCE5A6E86889143C@DAPHNIS.office.hd> In-Reply-To: <9AB93E4127C26F4BA7829DEFDCE5A6E86889143C@DAPHNIS.office.hd> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080008040907000809090503" Subject: Re: [eman] A single OID for energy and the 3 EMAN MIBs (message to draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib authors) X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 10:45:14 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080008040907000809090503 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Jürgen, > Hi Benoit, > > I don't think it is a big issue to revise this decision in order to be in line with IETF recommendations. As an author, I will follow whatever advice/consensus the MIB doctors will come up with. At this point, I'm not sure about the outcome. Practically, I believe that Tom Nadeau, as the MIB doctor for these EMAN documents (and EMAN co-chair) should be providing guidance here. > It was anyway only a question of style. > There was no technical reason to use one OID for all. > As a workaround we can ask IANA for consecutive OIDs for these drafts. > > I did not understand a comment you made: >> We have 3 MIB documents containing 5 MIB modules, all related to Energy: >> 2 are for Textual Conventions >> 3 are interconnected: the second and third ones require some objects to be > I assume the third of the 3 'interconnected' modules is the BATTERY MIB. How is it connected to the others? I do not see any dependency of the BATTERY MIB on the other two modules. No direct dependency, correct. However, the battery MIB shares the index (entPhysicalIndex) and minimum entity4CRCompliance with draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib Batteries are indexed by the entPhysicalIndex of the entPhysicalTable defined in the ENTITY-MIB module [RFC6933]. An implementation of the ENTITY-MIB module complying with the entity4CRCompliance MODULE- COMPLIANCE statement is required for compliant implementations of the BATTERY-MIB module. Practically, we know that there are two cases: 1. the battery is completely independent and the NMS only wants to monitor the battery: only the battery MIB is implemented 2. the battery is part of a device, and the NMS also needs to understand the inventory and energy information from that device: both energy aware and battery MIBs will be implemented. I have the feeling that #2>> #1 Regards, Benoit > > Cheers, > Juergen > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: eman [mailto:eman-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Benoit Claise >> Sent: Samstag, 14. Dezember 2013 10:13 >> To: eman mailing list; draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib@tools.ietf.org; MIB Doctors >> (E-mail) >> Subject: Re: [eman] A single OID for energy and the 3 EMAN MIBs (message to >> draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib authors) >> >> Hi Jürgen, MIB doctors, >> >> Jürgen, >> I wish you had reacted when this email was posted: >> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/eman/current/msg02064.html, or >> during the WG meeting where it was discussed (too bad that the meeting >> minutes didn't cover that level of details). >> >> While I understand that assigning a MODULE-IDENTITY descriptor could be >> problematic, here it's different: this unique MODULE-IDENTITY descriptor is for >> related MIB modules, and this happens to be a WG in this case. >> We have 3 MIB documents containing 5 MIB modules, all related to Energy: >> 2 are for Textual Conventions >> 3 are interconnected: the second and third ones require some objects to be >> implemented in the first one. >> >> MIB doctors, >> Let us know your advice >> >> Regards, Benoit >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> in the past such registration spaces led to problems (I think RMON was >>> the case) and I think because of that we moved pretty much all >>> registrations below mib-2 and transmission. Bert Wijnen might recall >>> the details. If we change our strategy, we should probably have strong >>> reasons and understand the longer term implications. There is the >>> relvant quote from RFC 4181: >>> >>> - The value assigned to the MODULE-IDENTITY descriptor MUST be unique >>> and (for IETF standards-track MIB modules) SHOULD reside under the >>> mgmt subtree [RFC2578]. Most often it will be an IANA-assigned >>> value directly under mib-2 [RFC2578], although for media-specific >>> MIB modules that extend the IF-MIB [RFC2863] it is customary to use >>> an IANA-assigned value under transmission [RFC2578]. In the past, >>> some IETF working groups have made their own assignments from >>> subtrees delegated to them by IANA, but that practice has proven >>> problematic and is NOT RECOMMENDED. >>> >>> /js >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 11:31:23PM +0100, Benoit Claise wrote: >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> During the last IETF meeting, there was an agreement to go for a >>>> single energyMIB OID under mib-2. >>>> >>>> energyObjectContextMIB MODULE-IDENTITY >>>> (draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib) is under energyMIB.1 >>>> ianaEnergyRelationMIB MODULE-IDENTITY >>>> (draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib) is under energyMIB.2 >>>> energyObjectMIB MODULE-IDENTITY >>>> (draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib) is under energyMIB.3 >>>> powerAttributesMIB MODULE-IDENTITY >>>> (draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib) is under energyMIB.4 >>>> >>>> For draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib, you can start with energyMIB.5 Note >>>> that draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib requests: >>>> >>>> Descriptor OBJECT IDENTIFIER value >>>> ---------- ----------------------- >>>> >>>> energyMIB { mib-2 XXX } >>>> >>>> >>>> Btw, both draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib and >>>> draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib are ready for WGLC. >>>> >>>> Regards, Benoit >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> eman mailing list >>>> eman@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman >> _______________________________________________ >> eman mailing list >> eman@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman > . > --------------080008040907000809090503 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hi Jürgen,
Hi Benoit,

I don't think it is a big issue to revise this decision in order to be in line with IETF recommendations.
As an author, I will follow whatever advice/consensus the MIB doctors will come up with. At this point, I'm not sure about the outcome. Practically, I believe that Tom Nadeau, as the MIB doctor for these EMAN documents (and EMAN co-chair) should be providing guidance here.
It was anyway only a question of style. 
There was no technical reason to use one OID for all.
As a workaround we can ask IANA for consecutive OIDs for these drafts.

I did not understand a comment you made:
We have 3 MIB documents containing 5 MIB modules, all related to Energy:
     2 are for Textual Conventions
     3 are interconnected: the second and third ones require some objects to be
I assume the third of the 3 'interconnected' modules is the BATTERY MIB. How is it connected to the others? I do not see any dependency of the BATTERY MIB on the other two modules.
No direct dependency, correct.
However, the battery MIB shares the index (entPhysicalIndex) and minimum entity4CRCompliance with draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib
   Batteries are indexed by the entPhysicalIndex of the entPhysicalTable
   defined in the ENTITY-MIB module [RFC6933].  An implementation of the
   ENTITY-MIB module complying with the entity4CRCompliance MODULE-
   COMPLIANCE statement is required for compliant implementations of the
   BATTERY-MIB module.
Practically, we know that there are two cases:
1. the battery is completely independent and the NMS only wants to monitor the battery: only the battery MIB is implemented
2. the battery is part of a device, and the NMS also needs to understand the inventory and energy information from that device: both energy aware and battery MIBs will be implemented.

I have the feeling that #2>> #1

Regards, Benoit

Cheers,
    Juergen


-----Original Message-----
From: eman [mailto:eman-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Benoit Claise
Sent: Samstag, 14. Dezember 2013 10:13
To: eman mailing list; draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib@tools.ietf.org; MIB Doctors
(E-mail)
Subject: Re: [eman] A single OID for energy and the 3 EMAN MIBs (message to
draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib authors)

Hi Jürgen, MIB doctors,

Jürgen,
I wish you had reacted when this email was posted:
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/eman/current/msg02064.html, or
during the WG meeting where it was discussed (too bad that the meeting
minutes didn't cover that level of details).

While I understand that assigning a MODULE-IDENTITY descriptor could be
problematic, here it's different: this unique MODULE-IDENTITY descriptor is for
related MIB modules, and this happens to be a WG in this case.
We have 3 MIB documents containing 5 MIB modules, all related to Energy:
     2 are for Textual Conventions
     3 are interconnected: the second and third ones require some objects to be
implemented in the first one.

MIB doctors,
Let us know your advice

Regards, Benoit

Hi,

in the past such registration spaces led to problems (I think RMON was
the case) and I think because of that we moved pretty much all
registrations below mib-2 and transmission. Bert Wijnen might recall
the details. If we change our strategy, we should probably have strong
reasons and understand the longer term implications. There is the
relvant quote from RFC 4181:

    - The value assigned to the MODULE-IDENTITY descriptor MUST be unique
      and (for IETF standards-track MIB modules) SHOULD reside under the
      mgmt subtree [RFC2578].  Most often it will be an IANA-assigned
      value directly under mib-2 [RFC2578], although for media-specific
      MIB modules that extend the IF-MIB [RFC2863] it is customary to use
      an IANA-assigned value under transmission [RFC2578].  In the past,
      some IETF working groups have made their own assignments from
      subtrees delegated to them by IANA, but that practice has proven
      problematic and is NOT RECOMMENDED.

/js

On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 11:31:23PM +0100, Benoit Claise wrote:
Dear all,

During the last IETF meeting, there was an agreement to go for a
single energyMIB OID under mib-2.

energyObjectContextMIB MODULE-IDENTITY
(draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib) is under energyMIB.1
ianaEnergyRelationMIB MODULE-IDENTITY
(draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib) is under energyMIB.2
energyObjectMIB MODULE-IDENTITY
(draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib) is under energyMIB.3
powerAttributesMIB MODULE-IDENTITY
(draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib) is under energyMIB.4

For draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib, you can start with energyMIB.5 Note
that draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib requests:

            Descriptor                      OBJECT IDENTIFIER value
            ----------                      -----------------------

            energyMIB                         { mib-2 XXX }


Btw, both draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib and
draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib are ready for WGLC.

Regards, Benoit


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--------------080008040907000809090503-- From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Fri Dec 20 03:02:51 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF1961AE1EF; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 03:02:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.788 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.788 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pKnFb0LwF3DI; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 03:02:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 843601AE1E2; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 03:02:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (demetrius1.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.46]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD2952002D; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 12:02:46 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius1.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W1LuTlrKAwj9; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 12:02:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 286C420013; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 12:02:46 +0100 (CET) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id D4E122A0E24C; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 12:02:41 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 12:02:41 +0100 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Benoit Claise Message-ID: <20131220110241.GA7974@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Benoit Claise , Juergen Quittek , eman mailing list , "draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib@tools.ietf.org" , "MIB Doctors (E-mail)" References: <52AB8ABB.2080901@cisco.com> <20131214083930.GA86143@elstar.local> <52AC2122.4000204@cisco.com> <9AB93E4127C26F4BA7829DEFDCE5A6E86889143C@DAPHNIS.office.hd> <52B41FB2.30105@cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <52B41FB2.30105@cisco.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: "MIB Doctors \(E-mail\)" , eman mailing list , "draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [eman] [MIB-DOCTORS] A single OID for energy and the 3 EMAN MIBs (message to draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib authors) X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 11:02:51 -0000 On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:45:06AM +0100, Benoit Claise wrote: > > I assume the third of the 3 'interconnected' modules is the > > BATTERY MIB. How is it connected to the others? I do not see any > > dependency of the BATTERY MIB on the other two modules. > No direct dependency, correct. > However, the battery MIB shares the index (entPhysicalIndex) and > minimum entity4CRCompliance with draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib > > > Batteries are indexed by the entPhysicalIndex of the entPhysicalTable > defined in the ENTITY-MIB module [RFC6933]. An implementation of the > ENTITY-MIB module complying with the entity4CRCompliance MODULE- > COMPLIANCE statement is required for compliant implementations of the > BATTERY-MIB module. > > Practically, we know that there are two cases: > 1. the battery is completely independent and the NMS only wants to > monitor the battery: only the battery MIB is implemented > 2. the battery is part of a device, and the NMS also needs to > understand the inventory and energy information from that device: > both energy aware and battery MIBs will be implemented. > > I have the feeling that #2>> #1 So the point is being made that the battery MIB should be rooted under the ENTITY-MIB? Perhaps this example makes it clear that attempts to find a proper logical nesting do not scale up. Are we optimizing for applications that do blind MIB walks in order to find information for managing certain functions or do we expect sligthly more advanced applications? /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From bclaise@cisco.com Mon Dec 23 03:30:28 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76F3F1ADF73; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 03:30:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.039 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.039 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yJzlPNa7wRRY; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 03:30:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from aer-iport-1.cisco.com (aer-iport-1.cisco.com [173.38.203.51]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 905291AD72A; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 03:30:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1752; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1387798223; x=1389007823; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0tSEJuPVstflC/eWLh2YpzlxvhHNLV8A/x7INs31Vv4=; b=iZCXTcnmgcYO1DlHVnp9uBwsSxv8Phz7gtVkVEsU5ISEbM7yp6YR2WpG RXxcKhrArAlfFNyX0UtvtFE1iCOLAV3UtgfWG/ZFR85LIluu81jCN9r+e mtR5jRqXZZxteSBGMqVvDFUI/VitT9q/43CE0/Vb9zeqRqyf+dD2gVyNu Q=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuwKAEwduFKQ/khL/2dsb2JhbABZgws4snWHIIEaFnSCJQEBAQQ4QBELGAkWBAsJAwIBAgFFBgEMCAEBiAANylYTBI49b4Q2AQOUM4NkhkWLT4FvgT87 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.95,536,1384300800"; d="scan'208";a="2675795" Received: from ams-core-2.cisco.com ([144.254.72.75]) by aer-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 23 Dec 2013 11:30:22 +0000 Received: from [10.60.67.83] (ams-bclaise-8912.cisco.com [10.60.67.83]) by ams-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id rBNBUMbF030348; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 11:30:22 GMT Message-ID: <52B81ECE.3070507@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 12:30:22 +0100 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juergen Quittek , eman mailing list , "draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib@tools.ietf.org" , "MIB Doctors (E-mail)" References: <52AB8ABB.2080901@cisco.com> <20131214083930.GA86143@elstar.local> <52AC2122.4000204@cisco.com> <9AB93E4127C26F4BA7829DEFDCE5A6E86889143C@DAPHNIS.office.hd> <52B41FB2.30105@cisco.com> <20131220110241.GA7974@elstar.local> In-Reply-To: <20131220110241.GA7974@elstar.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [eman] [MIB-DOCTORS] A single OID for energy and the 3 EMAN MIBs (message to draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib authors) X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 11:30:28 -0000 On 20/12/2013 12:02, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:45:06AM +0100, Benoit Claise wrote: > >>> I assume the third of the 3 'interconnected' modules is the >>> BATTERY MIB. How is it connected to the others? I do not see any >>> dependency of the BATTERY MIB on the other two modules. >> No direct dependency, correct. >> However, the battery MIB shares the index (entPhysicalIndex) and >> minimum entity4CRCompliance with draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib >> >> >> Batteries are indexed by the entPhysicalIndex of the entPhysicalTable >> defined in the ENTITY-MIB module [RFC6933]. An implementation of the >> ENTITY-MIB module complying with the entity4CRCompliance MODULE- >> COMPLIANCE statement is required for compliant implementations of the >> BATTERY-MIB module. >> >> Practically, we know that there are two cases: >> 1. the battery is completely independent and the NMS only wants to >> monitor the battery: only the battery MIB is implemented >> 2. the battery is part of a device, and the NMS also needs to >> understand the inventory and energy information from that device: >> both energy aware and battery MIBs will be implemented. >> >> I have the feeling that #2>> #1 > So the point is being made that the battery MIB should be rooted under > the ENTITY-MIB? Not quite. Regards, Benoit > Perhaps this example makes it clear that attempts to > find a proper logical nesting do not scale up. > > Are we optimizing for applications that do blind MIB walks in order to > find information for managing certain functions or do we expect > sligthly more advanced applications? > > /js > From Quittek@neclab.eu Thu Dec 26 07:46:33 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81DBB1AE22B; Thu, 26 Dec 2013 07:46:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.44 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.44 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CAmztZ5HLRcO; Thu, 26 Dec 2013 07:46:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailer1.neclab.eu (mailer1.neclab.eu [195.37.70.40]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B505F1ADF60; Thu, 26 Dec 2013 07:46:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailer1.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 120ED10671A; Thu, 26 Dec 2013 16:36:23 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (netlab.nec.de) Received: from mailer1.neclab.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas-a.office.hd [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d3WBOJb6ctdz; Thu, 26 Dec 2013 16:36:22 +0100 (CET) X-ENC: Last-Hop-TLS-encrypted X-ENC: Last-Hop-TLS-encrypted Received: from METHONE.office.hd (methone.office.hd [192.168.24.54]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailer1.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA29C106714; Thu, 26 Dec 2013 16:35:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from DAPHNIS.office.hd ([169.254.2.18]) by METHONE.office.hd ([192.168.24.54]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Thu, 26 Dec 2013 16:46:00 +0100 From: Juergen Quittek To: Juergen Schoenwaelder , Benoit Claise Thread-Topic: [MIB-DOCTORS] [eman] A single OID for energy and the 3 EMAN MIBs (message to draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib authors) Thread-Index: AQHO+FMf76TAmnRYTkadaz6w6T55dJpTTpgAgAAJZACACGQoMIABI4kAgAAE6oCACcrI0A== Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 15:45:59 +0000 Message-ID: <9AB93E4127C26F4BA7829DEFDCE5A6E8688AFEFC@DAPHNIS.office.hd> References: <52AB8ABB.2080901@cisco.com> <20131214083930.GA86143@elstar.local> <52AC2122.4000204@cisco.com> <9AB93E4127C26F4BA7829DEFDCE5A6E86889143C@DAPHNIS.office.hd> <52B41FB2.30105@cisco.com> <20131220110241.GA7974@elstar.local> In-Reply-To: <20131220110241.GA7974@elstar.local> Accept-Language: de-DE, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.7.0.199] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "MIB Doctors \(E-mail\)" , eman mailing list , "draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [eman] [MIB-DOCTORS] A single OID for energy and the 3 EMAN MIBs (message to draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib authors) X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 15:46:33 -0000 So, we found there is no dependency of the BATTERY-MIB on other eman MIB mo= dules (except for using the ENTITY MIB which has its own OID already). Henc= e, we do not have a technical reason to use a common OID prefix for the cur= rent eman MIB modules. Rather we are creating a common OID prefix for MIB m= odules developed by the eman WG. This is a matter of style. Do we want to i= ntroduce WG-owned OID prefixes at the IETF? Juergen Q.=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de] > Sent: Freitag, 20. Dezember 2013 12:03 > To: Benoit Claise > Cc: Juergen Quittek; eman mailing list; draft-ietf-eman-battery- > mib@tools.ietf.org; MIB Doctors (E-mail) > Subject: Re: [MIB-DOCTORS] [eman] A single OID for energy and the 3 EMAN > MIBs (message to draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib authors) >=20 > On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:45:06AM +0100, Benoit Claise wrote: >=20 > > > I assume the third of the 3 'interconnected' modules is the BATTERY > > > MIB. How is it connected to the others? I do not see any dependency > > > of the BATTERY MIB on the other two modules. >=20 > > No direct dependency, correct. > > However, the battery MIB shares the index (entPhysicalIndex) and > > minimum entity4CRCompliance with draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib > > > > > > Batteries are indexed by the entPhysicalIndex of the entPhysicalTabl= e > > defined in the ENTITY-MIB module [RFC6933]. An implementation of th= e > > ENTITY-MIB module complying with the entity4CRCompliance MODULE- > > COMPLIANCE statement is required for compliant implementations of th= e > > BATTERY-MIB module. > > > > Practically, we know that there are two cases: > > 1. the battery is completely independent and the NMS only wants to > > monitor the battery: only the battery MIB is implemented 2. the > > battery is part of a device, and the NMS also needs to understand the > > inventory and energy information from that device: > > both energy aware and battery MIBs will be implemented. > > > > I have the feeling that #2>> #1 >=20 > So the point is being made that the battery MIB should be rooted under th= e > ENTITY-MIB? Perhaps this example makes it clear that attempts to find a > proper logical nesting do not scale up. >=20 > Are we optimizing for applications that do blind MIB walks in order to fi= nd > information for managing certain functions or do we expect sligthly more > advanced applications? >=20 > /js >=20 > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From randy_presuhn@mindspring.com Thu Dec 26 10:51:09 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 078121AE005; Thu, 26 Dec 2013 10:51:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nAd0AjWOZH3O; Thu, 26 Dec 2013 10:51:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3992C1ADFF6; Thu, 26 Dec 2013 10:51:06 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=TR4MN5rgRCGBu5yHbA4z8n/+v78B0njQ94rMtwoekJS97vgvHKO66hnjSl8s0bAD; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Cc:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.52] (helo=mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1VwG1D-0002v4-2b; Thu, 26 Dec 2013 13:50:51 -0500 Received: from 99.187.237.254 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Thu, 26 Dec 2013 13:50:50 -0500 Message-ID: <18241430.1388083851066.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 10:50:50 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Randy Presuhn To: Juergen Quittek , Juergen Schoenwaelder , Benoit Claise Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 4488c18417c9426da92b9037bc8bcf44d4c20f6b8d69d8889e105617274a0edbda66e139513d0a727957537984f18c7f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.52 Cc: "MIB Doctors \(E-mail\)" , eman mailing list , "draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [eman] [MIB-DOCTORS] A single OID for energy and the 3 EMAN MIBs (message to draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib authors) X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Randy Presuhn List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 18:51:09 -0000 Hi - >From: Juergen Quittek >Sent: Dec 26, 2013 7:45 AM >To: Juergen Schoenwaelder , Benoit Claise >Cc: "MIB Doctors (E-mail)" , eman mailing list , "draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib@tools.ietf.org" >Subject: Re: [MIB-DOCTORS] [eman] A single OID for energy and the 3 EMAN MIBs (message to draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib authors) > >So, we found there is no dependency of the BATTERY-MIB >on other eman MIB modules (except for using the ENTITY >MIB which has its own OID already). Hence, we do not >have a technical reason to use a common OID prefix for >the current eman MIB modules. Rather we are creating a >common OID prefix for MIB modules developed by the eman >WG. This is a matter of style. Do we want to introduce >WG-owned OID prefixes at the IETF? 1) Doing so would increase the likelihood of implementations using WG-issued OIDs escaping into the wild prior to publication of the RFC. It's not merely a matter of the WG maintaining the discipline of not making the assignments until, say, AUTH-48. Because the subidentifier values would be easily guessed, folks will very likely implement using anticipated values. 2) There is a dimly-remembered incident in the past of WGs giving the same subid to two different modules. I don't think anyone wants a replay of that. 3) WGs are (we hope) relatively short-lived entities. After a WG is dead and buried, what would be the criteria for locating new work within the defunct WG's tree? After all, by giving a WG a tree to play with, we'd be assuming there must be something meaningful or useful reason for doing so. Consequently, for me the answer to Juergen Q.'s question is "no." Randy From andy@yumaworks.com Thu Dec 26 11:42:07 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 374031AE27E for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2013 11:42:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.978 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.978 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0jaQbkbzU1yy for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2013 11:42:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qe0-f46.google.com (mail-qe0-f46.google.com [209.85.128.46]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 096611AE02F for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2013 11:42:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qe0-f46.google.com with SMTP id a11so8091738qen.5 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2013 11:42:00 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=P+JZPSuQfXsWW8khA34VBsoSVEODNPYuwutKJmTKlss=; b=GWLS2BIyuWMSSkVsnHMZEsxyIdoKz1Fve2VuUNdTKahcbBZgoYcKlPfXrgguaP20kh teNYKgX1iIeB+JjiijuU+IZlZbPP9/4MANjIjjNYQLGuAb52DLHA9ukUNAX0grGPAMib zRTSP87bINZeCX9IQI7VE84bUwNAtiIq1fLkBn8jRGEZnB2cbfjcSen8jB8Z2Kyl3Ri6 GNHlAHgao065hNPOXXKIuaOaGVUP9g8y5mzEIa9bfGm5n5mQW0hLhyoRfW9dQEr8LMZd 5Kue8Z0edxlbNwdfBd8224KFs5iIdbGKUeBfDSZgirLFor1RWAOnUeGm+f99YdzJuDp2 nfHA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm+lscNFG8bmgQXoS4zqlzUctiwWua+TwHbrg3QTyvi1wAmpmsOBQ5XGdUT55V0h1c9q7WP MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.26.71 with SMTP id d7mr40250968qac.99.1388086920366; Thu, 26 Dec 2013 11:42:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.48.75 with HTTP; Thu, 26 Dec 2013 11:42:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <18241430.1388083851066.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <18241430.1388083851066.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 11:42:00 -0800 Message-ID: From: Andy Bierman To: Randy Presuhn Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0149c510ce63d804ee752b74 Cc: "MIB Doctors \(E-mail\)" , "draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib@tools.ietf.org" , eman mailing list Subject: Re: [eman] [MIB-DOCTORS] A single OID for energy and the 3 EMAN MIBs (message to draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib authors) X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 19:42:07 -0000 --089e0149c510ce63d804ee752b74 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, responses inline On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Randy Presuhn < randy_presuhn@mindspring.com> wrote: > Hi - > > >From: Juergen Quittek > >Sent: Dec 26, 2013 7:45 AM > >To: Juergen Schoenwaelder , Benoit > Claise > >Cc: "MIB Doctors (E-mail)" , eman mailing list < > eman@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib@tools.ietf.org" < > draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib@tools.ietf.org> > >Subject: Re: [MIB-DOCTORS] [eman] A single OID for energy and the 3 EMAN > MIBs (message to draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib authors) > > > >So, we found there is no dependency of the BATTERY-MIB > >on other eman MIB modules (except for using the ENTITY > >MIB which has its own OID already). Hence, we do not > >have a technical reason to use a common OID prefix for > >the current eman MIB modules. Rather we are creating a > >common OID prefix for MIB modules developed by the eman > >WG. This is a matter of style. Do we want to introduce > >WG-owned OID prefixes at the IETF? > > 1) Doing so would increase the likelihood of implementations > using WG-issued OIDs escaping into the wild prior to > publication of the RFC. It's not merely a matter of the > WG maintaining the discipline of not making the assignments > until, say, AUTH-48. Because the subidentifier values > would be easily guessed, folks will very likely implement > using anticipated values. > Some people call that "escaping into the wild" early implementation experience. We should be doing all we can to encourage early implementation experience. This has always been a problem in SNMP. First you have to pick a tool-dependent MIB file suffix . Then you have to edit the file and change XXX in the root OID to something else. The IETF just punted the problem to the vendor with the XXX approach. We never developed any guidelines on how vendors should re-root I-D MIB modules in their enterprise OID space. NETCONF gets around this problem by advertising module revision dates in the . > 2) There is a dimly-remembered incident in the past of > WGs giving the same subid to two different modules. I > don't think anyone wants a replay of that. > > That would be my bad in RMONMIB WG, right? ;-) It took awhile before a cut-and-paste error from 1 RMON draft to another was caught. > 3) WGs are (we hope) relatively short-lived entities. > After a WG is dead and buried, what would be the criteria > for locating new work within the defunct WG's tree? > After all, by giving a WG a tree to play with, we'd > be assuming there must be something meaningful or > useful reason for doing so. > > There is the risk that the I-D will not get published as an RFC. Since the OID does not really matter, it should be possible to have IANA assign a temporary OID, under a different OID root (ala /tmp directory :-) IANA could assign a real OID and replace the temporary OID when the RFC is published. My experience several times over is that reviewing a technical spec and writing code to do what the spec says are much different tasks. It is usually very easy for an developer to identify where the spec is silent or just plain wrong. This helps the WG fix the bugs and identify the interoperability limits. > Consequently, for me the answer to Juergen Q.'s question > is "no." > > Randy Andy --089e0149c510ce63d804ee752b74 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

responses inline


On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 10:5= 0 AM, Randy Presuhn <randy_presuhn@mindspring.com> wrote:
Hi -

>From: Juergen Quittek <Quittek@= neclab.eu>
>Sent: Dec 26, 2013 7:45 AM
>To: Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de>, Benoit Claise = <bclaise@cisco.com>
>Cc: "MIB Doctors (E-mail)" <mib-doctors@ietf.org>, eman mailing list <eman@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib@tools.ietf.= org" <draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib@tools.ietf.org>
>Subject: Re: [MIB-DOCTORS] [eman] A single OID for energy and the 3 EMA= N MIBs (message to draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib authors)
>
>So, we found there is no dependency of the BATTERY-MIB
>on other eman MIB modules (except for using the ENTITY
>MIB which has its own OID already). Hence, we do not
>have a technical reason to use a common OID prefix for
>the current eman MIB modules. Rather we are creating a
>common OID prefix for MIB modules developed by the eman
>WG. This is a matter of style. Do we want to introduce
>WG-owned OID prefixes at the IETF?

1) Doing so would increase the likelihood of implementations
using WG-issued OIDs escaping into the wild prior to
publication of the RFC. =A0It's not merely a matter of the
WG maintaining the discipline of not making the assignments
until, say, AUTH-48. =A0Because the subidentifier values
would be easily guessed, folks will very likely implement
using anticipated values.

Some people c= all that "escaping into the wild" early implementation experience= .
We should be doing all we can to encourage early implementation= experience.

This has always been a problem in SNMP.
First= you have to pick a tool-dependent MIB file suffix .
Then you hav= e to edit the file and change XXX in the root OID to something else.
The IETF just punted the problem to the vendor with the XXX approach.<= /div>
We never developed any guidelines on how vendors should re-root I= -D MIB modules
in their enterprise OID space.

NETCONF gets around this problem by advertising module revision dates = in the <hello>.



2) There is a dimly-remembered incident in the past of
WGs giving the same subid to two different modules. =A0I
don't think anyone wants a replay of that.



That would be my bad in= RMONMIB WG, right? ;-)
It took awhile before a cut-and-paste err= or from 1 RMON draft to another was caught.

=A0
3) WGs are (we hope) relatively short-lived entities.
After a WG is dead and buried, what would be the criteria
for locating new work within the defunct WG's tree?
After all, by giving a WG a tree to play with, we'd
be assuming there must be something meaningful or
useful reason for doing so.


There is the risk that the I-D will no= t get published as an RFC.
Since the OID does not really matter, = it should be possible to
have IANA assign a temporary OID, under = a
different OID root (ala /tmp directory :-) =A0IANA could assign
<= div>a real OID and replace the temporary OID when the RFC is published.

My experience several times over is that reviewing a = technical spec
and writing code to do what the spec says are much different tasks.
It is usually very easy for an developer to identify where the spec=
is silent or just plain wrong. =A0This helps the WG fix the bugs= and
identify the interoperability limits.

=A0
Consequently, for me the answer to Juergen Q.'s question
is "no."

Randy

=A0
Andy

--089e0149c510ce63d804ee752b74-- From blueroofmusic@gmail.com Fri Dec 27 13:48:28 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC63B1AE687 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2013 13:48:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kQoMwOdifsWW for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2013 13:48:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ig0-x22c.google.com (mail-ig0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22c]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 805531AE674 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2013 13:48:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ig0-f172.google.com with SMTP id hl1so30845573igb.5 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2013 13:48:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=VjqKrdtu8f0/DPI5GbUQ/6tlz5LVsEBzv+Ex2z87t68=; b=weogHqAkHfJWBrYTg/0+evGeoSNz5YswlfhhC/ixXpRpGmCvTLbqO91IVTGHjUlM3h JQWr6hHAbHQVO44tRtG94YHt/bXICuYwvWWGl13o7Bn/BZC3M71fOcD8p5eEFCSG1PX5 N4/+EaAzA6cbFPh9vogHfzeyM0dIwjcig+ziojkDE/q3qNEt2RE6Rp6prWP33j5aMNMD BWAuUKmvVoR+4iPmpqmUf9XaOf8KpbIhGqJ3dWOzOv1EeNla4gkFs0aDFeeLVZV4ahz5 RI11DEga2pHmIJtYCukUM63qlN3tjP9fdZmIpIXzuXFmjZctoifcTPG2oHZI/jvHH3Ux jyAQ== X-Received: by 10.50.79.170 with SMTP id k10mr42315228igx.14.1388180899576; Fri, 27 Dec 2013 13:48:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.203.38 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Dec 2013 13:47:59 -0800 (PST) From: Ira McDonald Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 16:47:59 -0500 Message-ID: To: eman mailing list , Ira McDonald Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e011827d66743a404ee8b0d3c Subject: [eman] Ira's comments on draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 21:48:28 -0000 --089e011827d66743a404ee8b0d3c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Benoit et al, Friday (27 December 2013) Here are my comments on draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08: (0) Global (missing series comma) - please always use an explicit comma between the penultimate and ultimate words/phrases of a list - this can avoid ambiguity and is always clearer writing - the explicit series comma is omitted throughout the current draft (0) Global (missing trailing comma) - please always wrap "i.e." and "e.g." with leading and trailing commas - the trailing comma is incorrectly omitted throughout the current draft (0) Global (misuse of explicit numeric values of enumerations) - please remove all explicit numeric values of enumerations in preface and body text of MIB modules - these values are frequently wrong and they create hard-to-find documentation errors (1) Page 6 (readability) - please add subsection 5.1 ENERGY-OBJECT-MIB before "The ENERGY-OBJECT-MIB MIB module ..." (2) Page 6 (grammar) - parenthetic clauses cannot be normative in standard English - please change "This compliance requires that the following 3 MIB objects from ENTITY-MIB [RFC6933] (entPhysicalIndex, entPhysicalName and entPhysicalUUID) MUST be implemented." to "This compliance requires that the following 3 MIB objects from ENTITY-MIB [RFC6933] MUST be implemented: entPhysicalIndex, entPhysicalName, entPhysicalUUID." (3) Page 7 (missing word) - please change "provide the log the" to "provide the log of the" (4) Page 7 (missing legend info) - please add a sentence explaining each of "rwn" for object trees (read, write, notify). (5) Page 8 (inconsistent usage) - please change "The powerAttributesMIB consists ..." to "The POWER-ATTRIBUTES-MIB consists ..." (6) Page 8 (readability) - please add subsection 5.2 POWER-ATTRIBUTES-MIB before "The POWER-ATTRIBUTES-MIB consists ..." (7) Page 9 (cardinality) - please change "A UML representation of ... are presented." to "A UML representation of ... is presented below." (8) Page 11 (grammar) - please change "In this table, the context ... are specified." to "In this table, the contexts ... are specified." (9) Page 13 (grammar) - please change "The difference between ... can be attributed that" to "The difference between ... indicate that" (10) Page 14 (poor wording) - please "There are currently three Power State Sets advocated:" to "There are currently three Power State Sets defined:" (11) Page 14 (readability) - please change "raised to the power of the scale." to "raised to the power of the unit multiplier." (12) Page 15 (poor wording) - please change "adheres closely to" to "is technically aligned with" (13) Page 15 (grammar) - please change "It is relevant to measure energy and demand only" to "It is only relevant to measure energy and demand" (14) Page 18 (poor wording) - explicit numeric values should not appear in informative text - please change "active (value 1)" to "active" (15) Page 19 (missing comma) - please change "eoEnergyParametersIndex which" to "eoEnergyParametersIndex, which" (16) Page 19 (grammar) - please change "period, i.e. a month," to "period, e.g., a month," (17) Page 20 (extra comma) - please change "value(s) of ,eoPowerStateIndex," to "value(s) of eoPowerStateIndex," (18) Page 20 (poor wording) - please change "It is foreseen that most" to "It is probable that most" (19) Page 20 (extra space, extra comma, missing word) - please change "Energy Object ( entPhysicalIndex), by the" to "Energy Object (entPhysicalIndex) and by the" (20) Page 20 (cardinality) - please change "which have their own" to "which has its own" (21) Page 20 (poor wording) - please change "must be discovered thanks to the" to "must be discovered via the" (22) Page 20 (poor wording) - please change "monitor the power attributes thanks to the" to "monitor the power attributes via the" (23) Page 21 (poor wording) - please change "this MIB proposes a customized power scale" to "this MIB supports a customized power scale" (24) Page 22 (poor wording) - please change "doing the proxy between" to "implementing the proxy between" (25) Page 22 (poor wording) - please change "thanks to PhysicalIndexOrZero" to "via the PhysicalIndexOrZero" (26) Page 22 (ambiguity) - please change "The RFC introduces" to "RFC 3621 introduces" (27) Page 23 (poor wording) - please change "doing the proxy between" to "implementing the proxy between" (28) Page 23 (poor wording) - please change "thanks to new PethPsePortIndexOrZero" to "via the new PethPsePortIndexOrZero" (29) Page 24 (poor wording) - please change "is copied over in" to "is copied over into" (30) Page 25 (missing capital letter) - please change "[EMAN-AWARE-MIB]. while the PC" to ""[EMAN-AWARE-MIB]. While the PC" (31) Page 25 (extra space) - please change "UUID 1000:57 ". to "UUID 1000:57". (32) Pages 26 and 27 (page break across figure) - please insert a page break before Figure 6 (to avoid widowed lines) (33) Page 27 (cardinality) - please change "The notion of identity" to "The notions of identity" (34) Page 27 (grammar) - parenthetic clauses cannot be normative in standard English - please change "should be supported which requires 3 MIB objects (entPhysicalIndex, entPhysicalName and entPhysicalUUID ) MUST be implemented." to "should be supported which requires 3 MIB objects MUST be implemented: entPhysicalIndex, entPhysicalName and entPhysicalUUID." (35) Page 30 (ambiguity) - in DESCRIPTION clause, please change "This table sparse extension of the eoTable" to "The eoMeterCapabilitiesTable is a sparse extension of the eoTable" (36) Page 32 (cardinality) - please change "This object use a BITS syntax and indicate" to "This object uses a BITS syntax and indicates" (37) Page 33 (extra period) - please change "fixed number of AC cycles. ." to "fixed number of AC cycles." (38) Page 34 (ambiguity) - please change "The eoPowerNameplate is widely used" to "The nameplate power is widely used" (39) Page 35 (misuse of, misnamed, and incorrect explicit values) - please change "actual(2), estimated(3) or presumed (4)." to "actual, estimated, or static." - please change "is not presumed(4) or estimated(3)" to "is not estimated or static" (40) Page 36 (misuse of, misnamed, and incorrect explicit values) - please change "alternating current AC(1)," to "alternating current 'ac', - please change "direct current DC(1)," to "direct current 'dc'," - please change "unknown(3)." to "unknown." (41) Page 36 (poor object naming) - "eoPowerOrigin" is a really a boolean - it would be better named "eoPowerOriginRemote" with a default value of 'false' (i.e., self or local) (42) Page 36 (misuse of explicit values) - see above comment about "eoPowerOrigin" name - below may not apply - please change "self(1)" to "self" - please change "remote(2)" to "remote" (43) Page 37 (missing period) - please change "transition Alternatively, this" to "transition. Alternatively, this" (44) Page 38 (poor wording) - please change "this table extends to return" to "this table also includes" (45) Page 39 (ambiguous special value) - this is a signed 32-bit object (Integer32) - please change "0xFFFF" (16-bits) to "0xFFFFFFFF" (maximum negative 32-bits) (46) Pages 39 and 40 (cardinality) - please change "hundredth of second" to "hundredths of seconds" (47) Page 40 (missing word and grammar) - please change "only sense for Energy Objects that" to "only makes sense for Energy Objects with" (48) Page 41 (grammar - comma should be semi-colon) - please change "measurement is applied, the same index" to "measurement is applied; the same index" (49) Page 41 (cardinality) - please change "depending on the capability of" to "depending on the capabilities of" (50) Page 41 (cardinality) - please change "hundredth of seconds" to "hundredths of seconds" (51) Page 41 (missing rationale for default value) - please explain why "90000" (15 minutes) is the default value of eoEnergyParametersIntervalLength (52) Page 42 (missing aging/pruning algorithm rationale) - please explain (perhaps more in preface before MIB?) the exception to aging of old entries described in eoEnergyParametersIntervalNumber (I couldn't understand this) (53) Page 43 (cardinality) - please change "hundredth of seconds" to "hundredths of seconds" (54) Page 43 (missing default value rationale) - please explain the default value of "1000" (1 second) for eoEnergyParametersSampleRate (55) Page 43 (underspecified RowStatus usage) - please explain why 'notReady' or 'createAndWait' in eoEnergyParametersStatus should delete usage data (this is not obvious to me) (56) Page 45 (extra space) - please change "eoEnergyMaxProduced ." to "eoEnergyMaxProduced." (in eoEnergyUnitMultiplier) (57) Page 46 (ambiguity) - please change "indicates a percentage value," to "indicates an accuracy," (in eoEnergyAccuracy) (58) Page 47 (poor wording) - please change "This variable indicates" to "This object controls" (in eoPowerEnableStatusNotification) (59) Pages 48 and 49 (grammar - five occurrences) - parenthetic clauses cannot be normative in standard English - please change "of 3 MIB objects (entPhysicalIndex, entPhysicalName and entPhysicalUUID)." to "of 3 MIB objects: entPhysicalIndex, entPhysicalName, and entPhysicalUUID." (in energyObjectMIBFullCompliance, energyObjectMIBEnergyTableGroup, energyObjectMIBEnergyParametersTableGroup, energyObjectMIBMeterCapabilitiesTableGroup, and energyObjectMIBReadOnlyCompliance) (60) Page 49 (ambiguity) - please explain why only 'read-create' and 'read-only' are described, but 'read-write' is not described (useful for statically allocated tables, using 'notInService' for a toggle) (61) Page 54 (inconsistent wording) - a requirement has to be paired with MUST (capitalized) - a recommandation has to be paired with SHOULD (capitalized) - please change "As a requirement ... should be implemented." to "As a requirement ... MUST be implemented." (in DESCRIPTION clause) (62) Page 54 (grammar) - parenthetic clauses cannot be normative in standard English - please change "of 3 MIB objects (entPhysicalIndex, entPhysicalName and entPhysicalUUID)." to "of 3 MIB objects: entPhysicalIndex, entPhysicalName, and entPhysicalUUID." (in DESCRIPTION clause) (63) Page 54 (grammar) - please change "This table defines power attributes" to "This table contains power attributes" (in eoACPwrAttributesTable) (64) Page 56 (spelling error) - please change "Ampheres" to "amperes" (lowercase) (in eoACPwrAttributesAvgCurrent) (65) Page 57 (extra space) - please change " watts" to "watts" (in eoACPwrAttributesTotalActivePower) (66) Page 57 (spelling error) - please change "A mesured value" to "A measured value" (in eoACPwrAttributesTotalReactivePower) (67) Page 60 (spelling error) - please change "Ampheres" to "amperes" (lowercase) (in eoACPwrAttributesPhaseAvgCurrent) (68) Pages 64 and 65 (grammar) - parenthetic clauses cannot be normative in standard English - please change "of 3 MIB objects (entPhysicalIndex, entPhysicalName and entPhysicalUUID)." to "of 3 MIB objects: entPhysicalIndex, entPhysicalName, and entPhysicalUUID." (in powerAttributesMIBFullCompliance) (69) Page 72 (unsafe allocation of new MIB objects) - please explain why Expert Review (rather than a new RFC) is allowed for defining new MIB objects - seems inherently unsafe (in section 13 IANA Considerations) (70) Page 72 (garbled sentence) - please rewrite sentence containing "and will, as a consequence" (in section 13.1 IANA Registration of new Power State Set) Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 --089e011827d66743a404ee8b0d3c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Benoit et al,=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Friday (27 December 2013)

Here = are my comments on draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08:

(0) Glo= bal (missing series comma)
- please always use an explicit comma between= the penultimate and
=A0 ultimate words/phrases of a list - this can avoid ambiguity and
=A0 = is always clearer writing - the explicit series comma is omitted
=A0 thr= oughout the current draft

(0) Global (missing trailing comma)
- p= lease always wrap "i.e." and "e.g." with leading and tr= ailing
=A0 commas - the trailing comma is incorrectly omitted throughout
=A0 th= e current draft

(0) Global (misuse of explicit numeric values of enu= merations)
- please remove all explicit numeric values of enumerations i= n
=A0 preface and body text of MIB modules - these values are frequently
= =A0 wrong and they create hard-to-find documentation errors

(1) Page= 6 (readability)
- please add subsection 5.1 ENERGY-OBJECT-MIB
=A0 be= fore "The ENERGY-OBJECT-MIB MIB module ..."

(2) Page 6 (grammar)
- parenthetic clauses cannot be normative in st= andard English
- please change
"This compliance requires that th= e
following 3 MIB objects from ENTITY-MIB [RFC6933]
(entPhysicalIndex= , entPhysicalName and entPhysicalUUID) MUST be
implemented."
=A0 to
"This compliance requires that the
= following 3 MIB objects from ENTITY-MIB [RFC6933] MUST be
implemented:= =A0 entPhysicalIndex, entPhysicalName, entPhysicalUUID."

(3) Pa= ge 7 (missing word)
- please change "provide the log the" to "provide the log of= the"

(4) Page 7 (missing legend info)
- please add a senten= ce explaining each of "rwn" for object trees
=A0 (read, write,= notify).

(5) Page 8 (inconsistent usage)
- please change "The powerAttri= butesMIB consists ..."
=A0 to "The POWER-ATTRIBUTES-MIB consis= ts ..."

(6) Page 8 (readability)
- please add subsection 5.2= POWER-ATTRIBUTES-MIB
=A0 before "The POWER-ATTRIBUTES-MIB consists ..."

(7) Pag= e 9 (cardinality)
- please change "A UML representation of ... are = presented."
=A0 to "A UML representation of ... is presented b= elow."

(8) Page 11 (grammar)
- please change "In this table, the conte= xt ... are specified."
=A0 to "In this table, the contexts ...= are specified."

(9) Page 13 (grammar)
- please change "= ;The difference between ... can be attributed that"
=A0 to "The difference between ... indicate that"

(10) Pag= e 14 (poor wording)
- please "There are currently three Power State= Sets advocated:"
=A0 to "There are currently three Power Stat= e Sets defined:"

(11) Page 14 (readability)
- please change "raised to the power= of the scale."
=A0 to "raised to the power of the unit multip= lier."

(12) Page 15 (poor wording)
- please change "adh= eres closely to"
=A0 to "is technically aligned with"

(13) Page 15 (grammar= )
- please change "It is relevant to measure energy and demand only= "
=A0 to "It is only relevant to measure energy and demand&quo= t;

(14) Page 18 (poor wording)
- explicit numeric values should not app= ear in informative text
- please change "active (value 1)" to = "active"

(15) Page 19 (missing comma)
- please change &= quot;eoEnergyParametersIndex which"
=A0 to "eoEnergyParametersIndex, which"

(16) Page 19 (gram= mar)
- please change "period, i.e. a month,"
=A0 to "p= eriod, e.g., a month,"

(17) Page 20 (extra comma)
- please c= hange "value(s) of ,eoPowerStateIndex,"
=A0 to "value(s) of eoPowerStateIndex,"

(18) Page 20 (poor= wording)
- please change "It is foreseen that most"
=A0 to= "It is probable that most"

(19) Page 20 (extra space, ext= ra comma, missing word)
- please change "Energy Object ( entPhysicalIndex), by the"
= =A0 to "Energy Object (entPhysicalIndex) and by the"

(20) = Page 20 (cardinality)
- please change "which have their own" =A0 to "which has its own"

(21) Page 20 (poor wording)
= - please change "must be discovered thanks to the"
=A0 to &quo= t;must be discovered via the"

(22) Page 20 (poor wording)
- = please change "monitor the power attributes thanks to the"
=A0 to "monitor the power attributes via the"

(23) Page 21= (poor wording)
- please change "this MIB proposes a customized pow= er scale"
=A0 to "this MIB supports a customized power scale&q= uot;

(24) Page 22 (poor wording)
- please change "doing the proxy be= tween"
=A0 to "implementing the proxy between"

(25= ) Page 22 (poor wording)
- please change "thanks to PhysicalIndexOr= Zero"
=A0 to "via the PhysicalIndexOrZero"

(26) Page 22 (ambigui= ty)
- please change "The RFC introduces"
=A0 to "RFC 3= 621 introduces"

(27) Page 23 (poor wording)
- please change = "doing the proxy between"
=A0 to "implementing the proxy between"

(28) Page 23 (poor= wording)
- please change "thanks to new PethPsePortIndexOrZero&quo= t;
=A0 to "via the new PethPsePortIndexOrZero"

(29) Pag= e 24 (poor wording)
- please change "is copied over in"
=A0 to "is copied ove= r into"

(30) Page 25 (missing capital letter)
- please chang= e "[EMAN-AWARE-MIB]. while the PC"
=A0 to ""[EMAN-AW= ARE-MIB]. While the PC"

(31) Page 25 (extra space)
- please change "UUID 1000:57 "= .
=A0 to "UUID 1000:57".

(32) Pages 26 and 27 (page bre= ak across figure)
- please insert a page break before Figure 6 (to avoid= widowed
=A0 lines)

(33) Page 27 (cardinality)
- please change "The n= otion of identity"
=A0 to "The notions of identity"
(34) Page 27 (grammar)
- parenthetic clauses cannot be normative in st= andard English
- please change
"should be supported which requires 3 MIB objects(entPhysicalIndex, entPhysicalName and entPhysicalUUID ) MUST be
imple= mented."
=A0 to
"should be supported which requires 3 MIB o= bjects MUST be
implemented: entPhysicalIndex, entPhysicalName and entPhysicalUUID."
(35) Page 30 (ambiguity)
- in DESCRIPTION clause, please change"This table sparse extension of the eoTable"
=A0 to
"= The eoMeterCapabilitiesTable is a sparse extension of the eoTable"

(36) Page 32 (cardinality)
- please change "This object use a B= ITS syntax=A0 and indicate"
=A0 to "This object uses a BITS sy= ntax and indicates"

(37) Page 33 (extra period)
- please cha= nge "fixed number of AC cycles.=A0 ."
=A0 to "fixed number of AC cycles."

(38) Page 34 (ambiguit= y)
- please change "The eoPowerNameplate is widely used"
= =A0 to "The nameplate power is widely used"

(39) Page 35 (= misuse of, misnamed, and incorrect explicit values)
- please change "actual(2), estimated(3) or presumed (4)."
=A0= to "actual, estimated, or static."
- please change "is n= ot presumed(4) or estimated(3)"
=A0 to "is not estimated or st= atic"

(40) Page 36 (misuse of, misnamed, and incorrect explicit values)
- = please change "alternating current AC(1),"
=A0 to "altern= ating current 'ac',
- please change "direct current DC(1),&= quot;
=A0 to "direct current 'dc',"
- please change "un= known(3)."
=A0 to "unknown."

(41) Page 36 (poor ob= ject naming)
- "eoPowerOrigin" is a really a boolean
- it w= ould be better named "eoPowerOriginRemote" with a default
=A0 value of 'false' (i.e., self or local)

(42) Page 36 (mis= use of explicit values)
- see above comment about "eoPowerOrigin&qu= ot; name - below may not apply
- please change "self(1)"
=A0 to "self"
- please change "remote(2)"
=A0 to = "remote"

(43) Page 37 (missing period)
- please change = "transition Alternatively, this"
=A0 to "transition.=A0 A= lternatively, this"

(44) Page 38 (poor wording)
- please change "this table extends= to return"
=A0 to "this table also includes"

(45)= Page 39 (ambiguous special value)
- this is a signed 32-bit object (Int= eger32)
- please change "0xFFFF" (16-bits)
=A0 to "0xFFFFFFFF&quo= t; (maximum negative 32-bits)

(46) Pages 39 and 40 (cardinality)
= - please change "hundredth of second"
=A0 to "hundredths = of seconds"

(47) Page 40 (missing word and grammar)
- please change "only s= ense for Energy Objects that"
=A0 to "only makes sense for Ene= rgy Objects with"

(48) Page 41 (grammar - comma should be semi-= colon)
- please change "measurement is applied, the same index"
=A0 t= o "measurement is applied; the same index"

(49) Page 41 (c= ardinality)
- please change "depending on the capability of" =A0 to "depending on the capabilities of"

(50) Page 41 (ca= rdinality)
- please change "hundredth of seconds"
=A0 to &q= uot;hundredths of seconds"

(51) Page 41 (missing rationale for = default value)
- please explain why "90000" (15 minutes) is the default value of=
=A0 eoEnergyParametersIntervalLength

(52) Page 42 (missing aging= /pruning algorithm rationale)
- please explain (perhaps more in preface = before MIB?)
=A0 the exception to aging of old entries described in
=A0 eoEnergyParam= etersIntervalNumber (I couldn't understand this)

(53) Page 43 (c= ardinality)
- please change "hundredth of seconds"
=A0 to &= quot;hundredths of seconds"

(54) Page 43 (missing default value rationale)
- please explain the = default value of "1000" (1 second)
=A0 for eoEnergyParametersS= ampleRate

(55) Page 43 (underspecified RowStatus usage)
- please = explain why 'notReady' or 'createAndWait'
=A0 in eoEnergyParametersStatus should delete usage data
=A0 (this is no= t obvious to me)

(56) Page 45 (extra space)
- please change "= ;eoEnergyMaxProduced ."
=A0 to "eoEnergyMaxProduced." (in= eoEnergyUnitMultiplier)

(57) Page 46 (ambiguity)
- please change "indicates a percentag= e value,"
=A0 to "indicates an accuracy," (in eoEnergyAcc= uracy)

(58) Page 47 (poor wording)
- please change "This var= iable indicates"
=A0 to "This object controls" (in eoPowerEnableStatusNotification= )

(59) Pages 48 and 49 (grammar - five occurrences)
- parenthetic= clauses cannot be normative in standard English
- please change
&quo= t;of 3 MIB objects (entPhysicalIndex,
entPhysicalName and entPhysicalUUID)."
=A0 to
"of 3 MIB obj= ects: entPhysicalIndex,
entPhysicalName, and entPhysicalUUID."
= =A0 (in energyObjectMIBFullCompliance, energyObjectMIBEnergyTableGroup,
=A0 energyObjectMIBEnergyParametersTableGroup,
=A0 energyObjectMIBMeterCapabilitiesTableGroup, and
=A0 energyObjectMIBR= eadOnlyCompliance)

(60) Page 49 (ambiguity)
- please explain why = only 'read-create' and 'read-only' are
=A0 described, bu= t 'read-write' is not described (useful for
=A0 statically allocated tables, using 'notInService' for a toggle)=

(61) Page 54 (inconsistent wording)
- a requirement has to be pa= ired with MUST (capitalized)
- a recommandation has to be paired with SH= OULD (capitalized)
- please change "As a requirement ... should be implemented."
= =A0 to "As a requirement ... MUST be implemented."
=A0 (in DES= CRIPTION clause)

(62) Page 54 (grammar)
- parenthetic clauses can= not be normative in standard English
- please change
"of 3 MIB objects (entPhysicalIndex,
entPhysical= Name and entPhysicalUUID)."
=A0 to
"of 3 MIB objects: entPh= ysicalIndex,
entPhysicalName, and entPhysicalUUID."
=A0 (in DESC= RIPTION clause)

(63) Page 54 (grammar)
- please change "This table defines powe= r attributes"
=A0 to "This table contains power attributes&quo= t;
=A0 (in eoACPwrAttributesTable)

(64) Page 56 (spelling error)<= br> - please change "Ampheres"
=A0 to "amperes" (lowerca= se)
=A0 (in eoACPwrAttributesAvgCurrent)

(65) Page 57 (extra spac= e)
- please change " watts"
=A0 to "watts"
=A0= (in eoACPwrAttributesTotalActivePower)

(66) Page 57 (spelling error)
- please change "A mesured value&= quot;
=A0 to "A measured value"
=A0 (in eoACPwrAttributesTo= talReactivePower)

(67) Page 60 (spelling error)
- please change &= quot;Ampheres"
=A0 to "amperes" (lowercase)
=A0 (in eoACPwrAttributesPhaseAvg= Current)

(68) Pages 64 and 65 (grammar)
- parenthetic clauses can= not be normative in standard English
- please change
"of 3 MIB o= bjects (entPhysicalIndex,
entPhysicalName and entPhysicalUUID)."
=A0 to
"of 3 MIB obj= ects: entPhysicalIndex,
entPhysicalName, and entPhysicalUUID."
= =A0 (in powerAttributesMIBFullCompliance)

(69) Page 72 (unsafe alloc= ation of new MIB objects)
- please explain why Expert Review (rather than a new RFC)
=A0 is allowe= d for defining new MIB objects - seems inherently unsafe
=A0 (in section= 13 IANA Considerations)

(70) Page 72 (garbled sentence)
- please= rewrite sentence containing "and will, as a consequence"
=A0 (in section 13.1 IANA Registration of new Power State Set)


C= heers,
- Ira

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Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions W= G
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer = Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
= IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
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--089e011827d66743a404ee8b0d3c-- From Quittek@neclab.eu Mon Dec 30 04:05:25 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFB941ADFFA for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 04:05:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.44 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.44 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h5TbE02YlLfO for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 04:05:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailer1.neclab.eu (mailer1.neclab.eu [195.37.70.40]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2BDB1ADF7E for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 04:05:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailer1.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 781F0106728 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 12:54:51 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (netlab.nec.de) Received: from mailer1.neclab.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas-a.office.hd [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dHcWNzd0Ht4D for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 12:54:51 +0100 (CET) X-ENC: Last-Hop-TLS-encrypted X-ENC: Last-Hop-TLS-encrypted Received: from METHONE.office.hd (methone.office.hd [192.168.24.54]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailer1.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5345F106726 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 12:54:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from DAPHNIS.office.hd ([169.254.2.18]) by METHONE.office.hd ([192.168.24.54]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 13:05:06 +0100 From: Juergen Quittek To: eman mailing list Thread-Topic: [eman] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 and draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13 Thread-Index: AQHO+ndiYJGZWdpqpE2anb88yvyKyppsem/g Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 12:05:06 +0000 Message-ID: <9AB93E4127C26F4BA7829DEFDCE5A6E8688B2E6C@DAPHNIS.office.hd> References: <5298B7FA.1010509@cisco.com> <52A5A9FA.80101@cisco.com> <52A5C2A6.9000501@cisco.com> <52AB8777.9060704@cisco.com> <653A4764-315C-4671-B0DA-389553CB3E29@lucidvision.com> In-Reply-To: <653A4764-315C-4671-B0DA-389553CB3E29@lucidvision.com> Accept-Language: de-DE, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.7.0.209] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [eman] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 and draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13 X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 12:05:25 -0000 Dear all, Below please find my comments on draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13 titled= "Energy Object Context MIB". I will send comments on draft-ietf-eman-energ= y-monitoring-mib-08 in a separate message. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Technical comments: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 1) Section 5.1, 3rd paragraph: Since you are already very precise about thi= s MUST, I would add that the name MUST NOT have length zero. 2) Section 5.1, one but last paragraph: "Each Energy Object MUST belong to = a single Energy Management Domain or in other words, an Energy Object canno= t belong to more than one Energy Management Domain." This is more strict th= an in the framework where we say an EO "should" not belong to more than one= domain. However, as we have discussed several times, there are management = systems that use more than one domain (different to EnergyWise). I do not s= ee a good reason to declare that their model is wrong. Thus, we can recomme= nd "make it as EnergWise from Cisco does it" with the "should" clause that = we have in the framework, but we should not fully exclude other solutions w= ith a "must" clause. See also comment 7). 3) Section 5.3, 2nd and 3rd paragraph: Both paragraphs need more explanation and you need to make them consistent = with the text in the MIB modules. For LLDP you say "If the LLDP MIB is impl= emented". Why don't you have a similar statement for the PoE MIB? You talk = about "the" Energy Object SNMP agent. However, EOs may not have SNMP agents= , for example, if they are just a power interface. And it is not specified = which of the potentially numerous instances of lldpLocPortNum objects of a = device should be reported. 4) Section 5.4, 4th paragraph: "Since the communication between the Energy Objects may not be=20 SNMP and is left to the choice of the device manufacturer, an=20 Energy Object can have additional MIB objects that can be used=20 for easier identification by the EnMS." Two comments on this sentence: A) It is not very obvious if SNMP is not available, it makes sense to use M= IB objects. Please clarify this. B) Please note that the choice is not only with the manufacturer. Even if t= he manufacturer builds in SNMP, the operator may choose to disable it ;-) 5) Section 6, DESCRIPTION clause of object eoEthPortIndex: What "attached device" are you talking about? Why is it relevant for the specification of this object, if that a certain = MIB module "should" be implemented on that device? Does it make any differe= nt for the DESCRIPTION of this object whether or not this MIB module is imp= lemented on the attached device? I do not see why and thus recommend removi= ng the statement "PoE MIB should be instantiated on the device." 6) Section 6, DESCRIPTION clause of object eoMgmtDNSName: There may be more than one DNS name associated to a single IP address: "the DNS name" -> "a DNS name" 7) Section 6, DESCRIPTION clause of object eoDomainName: Please insert as second sentence: "If the energy object has been assigned t= o multiple domains, then they are represented in this object as comma-separ= ated list.", see comment 2). 8) Section 6, SYNTAX clause of object eoPowerCategory: Some devices match more than one category, for example a UPS is a store and= a distributor at the same time, and to be precise, also a consumer. A PoE = Switch is a consumer and a distributor, some devices switch between consume= r and producer, etc. We can support all of this if we change the syntax fro= m INTEGER to BITS. 9) Section 6, DESCRIPTION clause of object eoAlternateKey: There is a contradiction between having this object with MAX-ACCESS read-wr= ite and stating " This object specifies a manufacturer defined string". If = the manufacturer defines the string, there is no need to write it. I sugges= t allowing the operator to set the value of this document. 10) Section 6, DESCRIPTION clause of object eoRelationID: I recommend adding a sentence to the DESCRIPTION clause, that preferable th= e value of an entPhysicalUUID from the Entity MIB should be used for values= of this object. 11) Section 6, Conformance of ENERGY-OBJECT-CONTEXT-MIB module:=20 The dependence of compliance with entity4CRCompliance is stated in the GROU= P DESCRIPTION clauses. In our case, this is not the right place. There is a= dependency on entity4CRCompliance independent of which group is implement= ed. Hence, these statements need to be moved from the GROUP DESCRIPTION cla= uses to the module compliance DESCRIPTION clauses of energyObjectContextMIB= FullCompliance and energyObjectContextMIBReadOnlyCompliance. 12) Section 6, Conformance of ENERGY-OBJECT-CONTEXT-MIB module: We state in other places that implementation of the Entity MIB compliant wi= th entity4CRCompliance is a must. But in the conformance section of the ENE= RGY-OBJECT-CONTEXT-MIB the dependency on entity4CRCompliance is stated as "= should". This need to be changed to a "must" or "required." 13) Section 6, DESCRIPTION clause of TC IANAEnergyRelationship: For interoperability, the description need to be clear. As this TC is state= d, there are two points unclear to me: A) " The enumeration 'poweredBy' is applicable if the =20 Energy Object A is poweredBy Energy Object B.=20 The enumeration 'powering' is applicable if the =20 Energy Object A is powering Energy Object B." If the TC is used, how do I know which object is A and which is B? Is it th= at the DESCRIPTION clauses of objects of this type must refer to object A a= nd object B? B) "if the Energy Object A is aggregating Energy Object B" There is no place in this document where there is explained what aggregatin= g means. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Editorial comments: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 14) Abstract, last two lines: "relationships between reporting devices, remote devices, and monitoring de= vices.": The enumeration of "reporting devices", "monitoring devices", and = "remote devices" is inappropriate because it does not reflect the list of r= elationships discussed by the draft: poweredBy, meteredBy, aggregatedBy. 15) Section 1. Introduction, 2nd paragraph, last two lines: "Identification" -> "identification" "Context" -> "context" "Relationships" -> "relationships" 16) Section 1.1, 3rd paragraph, line 1: "A second MIB module required by the [EMAN-FMWK]": There is no MIB module r= equired by the EMAN framework. It seems you wanted to say: "A second MIB mo= dule meeting EMAN requirements given by [RFC6988]". 17) Entire Section 3 This section is completely redundant. It mainly repeats sentences of sectio= n 1.1. Remove this section and merge sentences you want to keep into sectio= n 1.1 18) Section 5, 3rd paragraph, first sentence: The sentence is not grammatically correct, please fix. Also semantic correc= tion seems to be needed. You don't mention "identification" as focus of the= first table. 19) Section 5, sentence before Figure 1: "The following UML diagram illustrates the relationship of the=20 MIB objects in the eoTable, eoRelationTable that describe the=20 identity, context and relationship of an Energy Object." You should mention that you UML diagram furthermore contains objects from t= he Entity MIB. 20) Section 5, figure 1: There is a dotted line at the lower left that goes nowhere. Please cut it. 21) Section 5, grouping of MIB objects is inconsistent. In Figure 1 you have three groups: "Context", "Identification", "Relationsh= ips", where "Identifications" has three subgroups. The sentence below the f= igure emphasizes this grouping. However, the following subsections 5.1-5.4 = are grouped differently. 5.1 is titled "Identification" but covers only a t= hird of the objects under "Identification" in Figure 1. Section 5.2 is cons= istently with Figure 1 covering context information. Section 5.3 covers PoE= and LLDP identification. Sections 5.4 is called "Relationships" but covers= not just the objects under "Relationships" in Figure 1, but also objects f= rom under "Identification" in Figure 1. Here is a clean-up needed. Please s= plit the last sentence from section 5.4. It firs much better in section 5.3= . 22) Section 5, enumeration under Figure 1: Please note that subsection 5.5 is not another group of MIB objects but ref= ers to objects in subsection 5.1. The sentence above the enumeration implie= s that each numbered item would be a group of objects. 23) Section 5.1, 2nd paragraph, line 7: What is "primary Energy Object information"?=20 24) Section 5.4, 2nd paragraph, last sentence: "It is important to notice, that it is possible that" -> "Obviously," "not have an" -> "not have any" 25) Section 5.4, 4th paragraph The entire paragraph is in the wrong subsection. It rather belongs to subse= ction 5.1 or 5.3. 26) Section 6, DESCRIPTION clause of object eoEthPortGrpIndex: See comment 5). There is a full stop missing at the end of the second sente= nce. 27) Section 6, OBJECTS clause of GROUP energyObjectRelationTableGroup: The comment "Note that object eoRelationIndex is not included since it is n= ot-accessible" is not really needed. Almost every Conformance section has s= uch objects and usually this comment is omitted. Cheers, Juergen > -----Original Message----- > From: eman [mailto:eman-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Nadeau > Sent: Montag, 16. Dezember 2013 16:56 > To: eman mailing list > Subject: [eman] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 > and draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13 >=20 >=20 > As agreed at the last WG meeting, with the EMAN Framework > completing its WG LC the chairs would like to initiate a WG LC on draft-i= etf- > eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 and draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13. > The WG LC will end on Dec 30 at 8AM EDT. >=20 > Thank you, >=20 > Nevil and Tom >=20 From tnadeau@lucidvision.com Mon Dec 30 05:44:04 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43C6D1AE0B4 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 05:44:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.438 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.438 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZJ5IxLmjdvGs for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 05:44:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from lucidvision.com (lucidvision.com [72.71.250.34]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAADF1AE08F for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 05:44:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (static-72-71-250-38.cncdnh.fast04.myfairpoint.net [72.71.250.38]) by lucidvision.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68F0F269BCED for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 08:43:56 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Nadeau Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_9AC69A16-7F7F-448F-9914-7BDB7D942C11"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Message-Id: <5339BC8D-660B-4659-96DC-C0170E124134@lucidvision.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.1 \(1827\)) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 08:43:55 -0500 References: <5298B7FA.1010509@cisco.com> <52A5A9FA.80101@cisco.com> <52A5C2A6.9000501@cisco.com> <52AB8777.9060704@cisco.com> <653A4764-315C-4671-B0DA-389553CB3E29@lucidvision.com> To: eman mailing list In-Reply-To: <653A4764-315C-4671-B0DA-389553CB3E29@lucidvision.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1827) Subject: Re: [eman] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 and draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13 X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 13:44:04 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_9AC69A16-7F7F-448F-9914-7BDB7D942C11 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 WG, This concludes the WG LC on the MIBs. 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Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Thomas Nadeau wrote: > > WG, > > This concludes the WG LC on the MIBs. We have received just one > set of comments from the WG and one set of comments regarding the OID > numbering. Would the document editors please address these and republish > the drafts ASAP so that we can proceed with progressing the drafts? > > Cheers and Happy Holidays, > > Tom > > > > > > As agreed at the last WG meeting, with the EMAN Framework > completing its WG LC the chairs would like to initiate a WG LC on > draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 and > draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13. The WG LC will end on Dec 30 at 8AM > EDT. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Nevil and Tom > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > eman mailing list > > eman@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman > > > _______________________________________________ > eman mailing list > eman@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman > > --14dae93a1007d9763004eec1ae23 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Thomas,

Ahem - I did send t= he attached extensive comments on the Energy Monitoring MIB
three days a= go to the EMAN mailing list.

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDo= nald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Sol= utions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-= ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated E= xpert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthincmailto: blue= roofmusic@gmail.com
Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0 734-944-0094
Summer= =A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-2434



On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Thomas = Nadeau <tnadeau@lucidvision.com> wrote:

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WG,

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 This concludes the WG LC on the MIBs. We have received just= one set of comments from the WG and one set of comments regarding the OID = numbering. Would the document editors please address these and republish th= e drafts ASAP so that we can proceed with progressing the drafts?

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Cheers and Happy Holidays,

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Tom


>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 As agreed at the last WG meeting, with the EMAN Framework = completing its WG LC the chairs would like to initiate a WG LC on draft-iet= f-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 and draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13. = =A0The WG LC will end on Dec 30 at 8AM EDT.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 Thank you,
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 Nevil and Tom
>
>
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DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Bm6Wk0JdLD9Z for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 07:02:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ie0-x22d.google.com (mail-ie0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22d]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5D0A1AE18B for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 07:02:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ie0-f173.google.com with SMTP id to1so12010221ieb.4 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 07:02:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=7mc/Z+hhkcYVRMvn/4Z/y2nUfFX3apsc9o1TbVd3IR4=; b=eMfjoA1yLkywPZ9Bp99mcSsdDAJ9i0mlAfOEhU/3U7/kGGk58/fmw34EyvhDklE3EU litmJJ5zQ43dTLm4J6qbi4tOVF/qzMQAi49oH2JKiQQ+nKQUHgqX98Cm2ajyoBiW7eRR 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eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 15:02:27 -0000 --047d7bdc10ecea38ce04eec1bae0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Thomas, This is the link in the EMAN mailing list archive to those comments that I sent three days ago on the Energy Monitoring MIB. http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/eman/current/msg02118.html Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Ira McDonald wrote: > Hi Thomas, > > Ahem - I did send the attached extensive comments on the Energy Monitoring > MIB > three days ago to the EMAN mailing list. > > Cheers, > - Ira > > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music / High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com > Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 > Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 > > > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Thomas Nadeau wrote: > >> >> WG, >> >> This concludes the WG LC on the MIBs. We have received just one >> set of comments from the WG and one set of comments regarding the OID >> numbering. Would the document editors please address these and republish >> the drafts ASAP so that we can proceed with progressing the drafts? >> >> Cheers and Happy Holidays, >> >> Tom >> >> >> > >> > As agreed at the last WG meeting, with the EMAN Framework >> completing its WG LC the chairs would like to initiate a WG LC on >> draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 and >> draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13. The WG LC will end on Dec 30 at 8AM >> EDT. >> > >> > Thank you, >> > >> > Nevil and Tom >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > eman mailing list >> > eman@ietf.org >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> eman mailing list >> eman@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman >> >> > --047d7bdc10ecea38ce04eec1bae0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Thomas,

This is the li= nk in the EMAN mailing list archive to those comments
that I sent = three days ago on the Energy Monitoring MIB.

http://www.ietf.org/ma= il-archive/web/eman/current/msg02118.html

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Arc= hitect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Fo= undation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Int= ernet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MI= B
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http:= //sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthincmailto: blue= roofmusic@gmail.com
Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0 734-944-0094
Summer= =A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-2434



On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Ira McD= onald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Thomas,

Ahem - I did send t= he attached extensive comments on the Energy Monitoring MIB
three days a= go to the EMAN mailing list.

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDo= nald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Sol= utions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-= ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated E= xpert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthincmailto: blue= roofmusic@gmail.com
Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0 734-944-0094
Summer=A0= PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-2434



On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Thomas = Nadeau <tnadeau@lucidvision.com> wrote:

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WG,

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 This concludes the WG LC on the MIBs. We have received just= one set of comments from the WG and one set of comments regarding the OID = numbering. Would the document editors please address these and republish th= e drafts ASAP so that we can proceed with progressing the drafts?

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Cheers and Happy Holidays,

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Tom


>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 As agreed at the last WG meeting, with the EMAN Framework = completing its WG LC the chairs would like to initiate a WG LC on draft-iet= f-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 and draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13. = =A0The WG LC will end on Dec 30 at 8AM EDT.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 Thank you,
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 Nevil and Tom
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> eman mailing list
> eman@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman


_______________________________________________
eman mailing list
eman@ietf.org
ht= tps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman



--047d7bdc10ecea38ce04eec1bae0-- From tnadeau@lucidvision.com Mon Dec 30 09:22:27 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E15D81AE195 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 09:22:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.437 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.437 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rB4hVXeisJFB for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 09:22:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from lucidvision.com (lucidvision.com [72.71.250.34]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 555CC1AE227 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 09:22:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.78.188.188] (mobile-198-228-204-195.mycingular.net [198.228.204.195]) by lucidvision.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D107269C30B; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 12:22:18 -0500 (EST) References: <5298B7FA.1010509@cisco.com> <52A5A9FA.80101@cisco.com> <52A5C2A6.9000501@cisco.com> <52AB8777.9060704@cisco.com> <653A4764-315C-4671-B0DA-389553CB3E29@lucidvision.com> <5339BC8D-660B-4659-96DC-C0170E124134@lucidvision.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-76F66941-603C-4815-9ABA-1D9FCD559B0D Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19FBC5F9-3600-400C-B996-992FD3BE9715@lucidvision.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (11B554a) From: "Thomas D. Nadeau" Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 12:22:16 -0500 To: Ira McDonald Cc: eman mailing list Subject: Re: [eman] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 and draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13 X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 17:22:28 -0000 --Apple-Mail-76F66941-603C-4815-9ABA-1D9FCD559B0D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ok cool. I must have missed the email over the holiday. thanks Tom > On Dec 30, 2013, at 9:58 AM, Ira McDonald wrote:= >=20 > Hi Thomas, >=20 > Ahem - I did send the attached extensive comments on the Energy Monitoring= MIB > three days ago to the EMAN mailing list. >=20 > Cheers, > - Ira >=20 >=20 > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music / High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com > Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 > Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Thomas Nadeau w= rote: >>=20 >> WG, >>=20 >> This concludes the WG LC on the MIBs. We have received just one s= et of comments from the WG and one set of comments regarding the OID numberi= ng. Would the document editors please address these and republish the drafts= ASAP so that we can proceed with progressing the drafts? >>=20 >> Cheers and Happy Holidays, >>=20 >> Tom >>=20 >>=20 >> > >> > As agreed at the last WG meeting, with the EMAN Framework complet= ing its WG LC the chairs would like to initiate a WG LC on draft-ietf-eman-e= nergy-monitoring-mib-08 and draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13. The WG LC w= ill end on Dec 30 at 8AM EDT. >> > >> > Thank you, >> > >> > Nevil and Tom >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > eman mailing list >> > eman@ietf.org >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> eman mailing list >> eman@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman >=20 > --Apple-Mail-76F66941-603C-4815-9ABA-1D9FCD559B0D Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
ok cool. I must have missed the email over the holiday.

thanks

Tom

On Dec 30, 2013, at 9:58 AM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Thomas,

Ahem - I did send the attached extensive comments on the Energy Monitoring MIB
three days ago to the EMAN mailing list.

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Winter  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176  734-944-0094
Summer  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434



On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Thomas Nadeau <tnadeau@lucidvision.com> wrote:

        WG,

        This concludes the WG LC on the MIBs. We have received just one set of comments from the WG and one set of comments regarding the OID numbering. Would the document editors please address these and republish the drafts ASAP so that we can proceed with progressing the drafts?

        Cheers and Happy Holidays,

        Tom


>
>       As agreed at the last WG meeting, with the EMAN Framework completing its WG LC the chairs would like to initiate a WG LC on draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 and draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13.  The WG LC will end on Dec 30 at 8AM EDT.
>
>       Thank you,
>
>       Nevil and Tom
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> eman mailing list
> eman@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman


_______________________________________________
eman mailing list
eman@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman


<ira-comments-on-draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08.pdf>
--Apple-Mail-76F66941-603C-4815-9ABA-1D9FCD559B0D-- From Quittek@neclab.eu Mon Dec 30 10:46:44 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA9A11AE547 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 10:46:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.14 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.14 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U83VmHZE_ScA for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 10:46:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailer1.neclab.eu (mailer1.neclab.eu [195.37.70.40]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 755A81AE545 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 10:46:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailer1.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9043F1066FB; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 19:36:14 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (netlab.nec.de) Received: from mailer1.neclab.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas-a.office.hd [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8D7WbZfUuTXe; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 19:36:14 +0100 (CET) X-ENC: Last-Hop-TLS-encrypted X-ENC: Last-Hop-TLS-encrypted Received: from METHONE.office.hd (methone.office.hd [192.168.24.54]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailer1.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 72C7F1066F1; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 19:36:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from DAPHNIS.office.hd ([169.254.2.18]) by METHONE.office.hd ([192.168.24.54]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 19:46:06 +0100 From: Juergen Quittek To: Thomas Nadeau , eman mailing list Thread-Topic: [eman] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 and draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13 Thread-Index: AQHPBWW+e+FcyZl6xU2iDkmSboVCg5ptEzlg Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 18:46:05 +0000 Message-ID: <9AB93E4127C26F4BA7829DEFDCE5A6E8688B32A5@DAPHNIS.office.hd> References: <5298B7FA.1010509@cisco.com> <52A5A9FA.80101@cisco.com> <52A5C2A6.9000501@cisco.com> <52AB8777.9060704@cisco.com> <653A4764-315C-4671-B0DA-389553CB3E29@lucidvision.com> <5339BC8D-660B-4659-96DC-C0170E124134@lucidvision.com> In-Reply-To: <5339BC8D-660B-4659-96DC-C0170E124134@lucidvision.com> Accept-Language: de-DE, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.7.0.197] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [eman] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 and draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13 X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 18:46:45 -0000 Hi Tom, I missed the fact that the deadline is already in the morning of today. I t= hought I had the full day today for sending them. There are still some comm= ents that I planned to send this evening. I will send them asap and hope th= ey will be OK even if a few hours late. Thanks, Juergen > -----Original Message----- > From: eman [mailto:eman-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Nadeau > Sent: Montag, 30. Dezember 2013 14:44 > To: eman mailing list > Subject: Re: [eman] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mi= b- > 08 and draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13 >=20 >=20 > WG, >=20 > This concludes the WG LC on the MIBs. We have received just one set > of comments from the WG and one set of comments regarding the OID > numbering. Would the document editors please address these and republish > the drafts ASAP so that we can proceed with progressing the drafts? >=20 > Cheers and Happy Holidays, >=20 > Tom >=20 >=20 > > > > As agreed at the last WG meeting, with the EMAN Framework > completing its WG LC the chairs would like to initiate a WG LC on draft-i= etf- > eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 and draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13. > The WG LC will end on Dec 30 at 8AM EDT. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Nevil and Tom > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > eman mailing list > > eman@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman From luchuk@snmp.com Mon Dec 30 10:54:07 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA3CA1AE293 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 10:54:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.26 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.26 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gBe4_-6RGt0K for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 10:54:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailbox.snmp.com (mailbox.snmp.com [192.147.142.80]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88BBF1AE2D7 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 10:54:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from adminfs.snmp.com (adminfs.snmp.com [192.147.142.39]) by mailbox.snmp.com (8.9.3p2-20030922/m.0080228) with ESMTP id NAA11789; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 13:53:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from luchuk@localhost) by adminfs.snmp.com (8.9.3p2-20030922/snmpclient.mc-990525) id NAA03279; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 13:53:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 13:53:14 -0500 (EST) From: Alan Luchuk Message-Id: <201312301853.NAA03279@adminfs.snmp.com> To: eman@ietf.org Subject: Re: [eman] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 and draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13 X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 18:54:08 -0000 Hello, Here are comments about draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 and draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13. Due to the holidays, I was unable to get these sent to the WG E-mail list sooner. Regarding draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13: ---------------------------------------------- Section 5, Page 6: The UML on Page 6 _looks_ incorrect. It _looks_ like the eoRelationTable is subordinate to, or a child of, the eoEntry. I'm not sure how the actual relationship specified in the MIB is _supposed_ to be represented in UML. Page 22: The eoRelationID in the eoRelationTable is "read-only". In many cases, I do not see how an energy object can determine the eoRelationID to the Energy Objects to which it is connected, so I _think_ the eoRelationID must be configured by the EnMS. I _think_ the eoRelationID should be a read-write object like the eoRelationship object. As an example, consider a manageable, metering power distribution unit (PDU), I don't see how it can autodiscover and populate the eoRelationID of the energy objects to which it is connected. The useful- ness of the eoRelationID MIB object is reduced if it is only populated in devices where it can be autodiscovered. Regarding draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08: --------------------------------------------------- Section 5, 3rd paragraph, Page 6: "entity4CRCompliance. This compliance requires that the following 3 MIB objects from ENTITY-MIB [RFC6933] (entPhysicalIndex, entPhysicalName and entPhysicalUUID) MUST be implemented." I think entPhysicalClass should be included in this list. There are other references to the entity4CRCompliance in this draft that need the same update. Section 5, Page 7: | +-- r-n INTEGER eoMeasurementCaliber(5) I think the above should be eoPowerMeasurementCaliber(5). | +-- r-n Interger32 eoPowerStateMaxPower(2) Change "Interger32" to Integer. | +-- r-n Integer32 eoEnergyParametersIntervalMode(5) I think the type of "eoEnergyParametersIntervalMode" should be INTEGER. Section 5, Page 8: I suggest changing "powerAttributesMIB" to "POWER-ATTRIBUTES-MIB" for for consistency with previous text that references the ENERGY-OBJECT-MIB and POWER-ATTRIBUTES-MIB. A quick summary of the function of each of the tables in the POWER- ATTRIBUTES-MIB, similar to the quick summary of each of the tables in the ENERGY-OBJECT-MIB (on Page 6) might be helpful and consisent. | +-- r-n Interger32 eoACPwrAttributesAvgVoltage(2) | +-- r-n Interger32 | eoACPwrAttributesTotalActivePower(7) Change "Interger32" to Integer. In the diagram for the eoACPwrAttributesEntry, after eoACPwrAttributes- ThdAmpheres, the eoACPwrAttributesThdVoltage object is missing. Also, here, and several places in the document, "Ampheres" is referenced. Not sure if "Ampheres" is intentional, but "Amperes" might be preferable. It might be good to do a case-insensitive search for "ampheres". Section 5, Page 9: +-- eoACPwrAttributesDelPhaseEntry(1) | | [entPhysicalIndex, eoPhaseIndex] | | | +-- r-n Integer32 | | eoACPwrAttributesDelPhaseToNextPhaseVoltage(1) | +-- r-n Integer32 | | eoACPwrAttributesDelThdPhaseToNextPhaseVoltage(2) | +-- r-n Integer32 eoACPwrAttributesDelThdCurrent(3) I think the column numbers 1, 2, and 3, are incorrect. The actual column numbers in the MIB are 2, 3, and 4. Perhaps the MIB table should be fixed so the column numbers are 1, 2, and 3. Section 5, Page 12. At the very top, in the diagram for the eoACPwrAttributesEntry, after eoACPwrAttributesThdAmpheres, the eoACPwrAttributesThdVoltage object is missing. Section 5.4, Page 15: I suggest changing "powerAttributesMIB" to "POWER-ATTRIBUTES-MIB" for for consistency with previous text that references the ENERGY-OBJECT-MIB and POWER-ATTRIBUTES-MIB. Section 6, Page 20: This section references the EMAN-MON-MIB. I think this should be ENERGY-OBJECT-MIB. Section 9, Page 27: This section references the "energyObjectMIBObject". Not sure what this is. In the MIBs, adding eye-catching comments between the tables would ease visually identifying where each MIB table begins. Page 37, "eoPowerOperState" MIB object: The second paragraph of the DESCRIPTION clause reads: "Possible values of eoPowerAdminState...". I think "eoPowerAdminState" should be changed to "eoPowerOperState." Page 38, "eoPowerStateTable": The text reads: This table has an expansion-dependent relationship on the eoPowerTable, containing rows describing each Power State for the corresponding Energy Object. For every Energy Object in the eoPowerTable, there is a corresponding entry in this table." Not sure I correctly understand this table, but should the second sentence read something like: "For every Energy Object in the eoPowerTable, there is a corresponding set of entries in this table, one entry for each power state supported by the Energy Object." Page 38, "eoPowerStateEntry": In the DESCRIPTION clause, the state numbers and state names do not match any documented enumerations for the IANAPowerStateSet textual convention. Should the existing values be replaced with: eman(1024), -- indicates EMAN set emanmechoff(1025), emansoftoff(1026), emanhibernate(1027), emansleep(1028), emanstandby(1029), emanready(1030), emanlowMinus(1031), emanlow(1032), emanmediumMinus(1033), emanmedium(1034), emanhighMinus(1035), emanhigh(1036) Page 45, "eoEnergyStored": The first sentence of the DESCRIPTION clause reads: "This object indicates the resultant of the energy consumed..." Perhaps the following text would be clearer: "This object indicates the difference of the energy consumed..." ^^^^^^^^^^ Page 46, "eoEnergyMaxConsumed": The DESCRIPTION text reads: "This object is the maximum energy ever observed in eoEnergyConsumed since the monitoring started. This value is specified in the common billing units of watt-hours with the magnitude of watt-hours (kW-Hr, MW-Hr, etc.) indicated separately in eoEnergyUnitMultiplier." Does this mean that the eoEnergyMaxConsumed value must be retained across reboots, and thus must be stored in non-volatile memory? Page 48/49/54, where "entity4CRCompliance" is listed: I believe the "entPhysicalClass" object must be added to the lists of MIB objects (entPhysicalIndex, entPhysicalName and entPhysicalUUID). Page 56, "eoACPwrAttributesAvgCurrent": It might be niced to expand the DESCRIPTION clause so that it more precisely specifies the significance of this, perhaps similar to the DESCRIPTION clause for "eoACPwrAttributesAvgVoltage". Page 56, "eoACPwrAttributesFrequency": The UNITS clause does not match the comment after the SYNTAX clause. eoACPwrAttributesFrequency OBJECT-TYPE SYNTAX Integer32 (4500..6500) -- UNITS 0.01 Hertz UNITS "hertz" Would it be useful or helpful to have UnitsMultiplier companion objects for the following objects? Page 58, "eoACPwrAttributesThdAmpheres": Page 60, "eoACPwrAttributesPhaseAvgCurrent": Page 62, "eoACPwrAttributesDelPhaseToNextPhaseVoltage": Page 63, "eoACPwrAttributesWyePhaseToNeutralVoltage": Page 64, "eoACPwrAttributesWyePhaseCurrent": Page 59, "eoACPwrAttributesPhaseEntry": Under the DESCRIPTION clause, it might be helpful to add a comment that indicates the phase-to-phase voltages are in separate tables. When I first encountered the "eoACPwrAttributesPhaseEntry", I wondered about the voltages until I read further in the MIB and found the eoACPwrAttributesDelPhaseTable and the eoACPwrAttributesWyePhaseTable. Page 60, "eoACPwrAttributesPhaseActivePower", "eoACPwrAttributesPhaseReactivePower", "eoACPwrAttributesPhaseApparentPower": Expanding the DESCRIPTION clauses to note these are scaled by the eoACPwrAttributesPowerUnitMultiplier might be helpful, but the DESCRIPTION clause for the "eoACPwrAttributesPowerUnitMultiplier" does note this scaling relationship. Page 61, "eoACPwrAttributesPhaseImpedance": Are the UNITS of "volt-amperes" correct? Page 62/63, "eoACPwrAttributesDelPhaseToNextPhaseVoltage", "eoACPwrAttributesDelThdPhaseToNextPhaseVoltage", "eoACPwrAttributesDelThdCurrent": The last SID values for these objects are 2, 3, and 4, which distinctly does NOT match the values shown in the figure on Page 9, which shows the last SID values as 1, 2, and 3. Page 74, Section 13: [EMAN-AWARE-MIB] J. Parello, B. Claise and M. Chandramoili, "draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-11 ", work in progress, November 2013. Does it matter, or should this reference draft 13, draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13? Regards, --Alan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Alan Luchuk SNMP Research, Inc. Voice: +1 865 573 1434 Senior Software Engineer 3001 Kimberlin Heights Road FAX: +1 865 573 9197 luchuk at snmp.com Knoxville, TN 37920-9716 http://www.snmp.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From Quittek@neclab.eu Mon Dec 30 11:05:04 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82FFE1AE51F for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 11:05:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.14 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.14 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3BOc9PcVZpfM for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 11:05:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailer1.neclab.eu (mailer1.neclab.eu [195.37.70.40]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 124211AE293 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 11:05:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailer1.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AE871066AE for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 19:54:34 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (netlab.nec.de) Received: from mailer1.neclab.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas-a.office.hd [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aJTw6b4w+cGb for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 19:54:34 +0100 (CET) X-ENC: Last-Hop-TLS-encrypted X-ENC: Last-Hop-TLS-encrypted Received: from METHONE.office.hd (methone.office.hd [192.168.24.54]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailer1.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E80B710664B for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 19:54:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from DAPHNIS.office.hd ([169.254.2.18]) by METHONE.office.hd ([192.168.24.54]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 20:04:29 +0100 From: Juergen Quittek To: Juergen Quittek , eman mailing list Thread-Topic: [eman] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 and draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13 Thread-Index: AQHO+ndiYJGZWdpqpE2anb88yvyKyppsem/ggACvdJA= Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 19:04:29 +0000 Message-ID: <9AB93E4127C26F4BA7829DEFDCE5A6E8688B330D@DAPHNIS.office.hd> References: <5298B7FA.1010509@cisco.com> <52A5A9FA.80101@cisco.com> <52A5C2A6.9000501@cisco.com> <52AB8777.9060704@cisco.com> <653A4764-315C-4671-B0DA-389553CB3E29@lucidvision.com> <9AB93E4127C26F4BA7829DEFDCE5A6E8688B2E6C@DAPHNIS.office.hd> In-Reply-To: <9AB93E4127C26F4BA7829DEFDCE5A6E8688B2E6C@DAPHNIS.office.hd> Accept-Language: de-DE, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.7.0.197] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [eman] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 and draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13 X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 19:05:04 -0000 Dear all, There are two more comments on draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13 that I m= issed to include in my previous email. One is editorial and one is technical: Editorial: MIB modules description It is just once mentioned that there are two MIB modules in this draft (Sec= tion 1.1, first sentence. The draft starts discussing the ENERGY-OBJECT-CON= TEXT-MIB module and sometimes uses "this MIB modules" to refer to it. When = the discussion of the other MIB module starts in the middle of section 5.4 = it would be helpful adding a statement reminding the reader that this modul= e is included in the draft as well. For example by changing in section 5.4,= 3rd paragraph OLD The IANA Energy Relationship MIB module specifies the first=20 version of the IANA-maintained definitions of relationships NEW The IANA Energy Relationship MIB module in Section 6 below specifie= s the first=20 version of the IANA-maintained definitions of relationships Technical: object eoPowerInterfaceType I wonder why object eoPowerInterfaceType is included in the ENERGY-OBJECT-C= ONTEXT-MIB and not in the ENERGY-OBJECT-MIB itself. This object does not pr= ovide context, identity, or relationship information, but rather a technica= l property of a power interface, such as the nominal voltage or the number = of AC phases. Why is it in this MIB module. Wouldn't it fit much better in = the other one? Cheers, Juergen > -----Original Message----- > From: eman [mailto:eman-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Juergen Quittek > Sent: Montag, 30. Dezember 2013 13:05 > To: eman mailing list > Subject: Re: [eman] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mi= b- > 08 and draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13 >=20 > Dear all, >=20 > Below please find my comments on draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13 > titled "Energy Object Context MIB". I will send comments on draft-ietf-em= an- > energy-monitoring-mib-08 in a separate message. >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Technical comments: > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > 1) Section 5.1, 3rd paragraph: Since you are already very precise about t= his > MUST, I would add that the name MUST NOT have length zero. >=20 > 2) Section 5.1, one but last paragraph: "Each Energy Object MUST belong t= o a > single Energy Management Domain or in other words, an Energy Object canno= t > belong to more than one Energy Management Domain." This is more strict > than in the framework where we say an EO "should" not belong to more than > one domain. However, as we have discussed several times, there are > management systems that use more than one domain (different to > EnergyWise). I do not see a good reason to declare that their model is wr= ong. > Thus, we can recommend "make it as EnergWise from Cisco does it" with the > "should" clause that we have in the framework, but we should not fully ex= clude > other solutions with a "must" clause. See also comment 7). >=20 > 3) Section 5.3, 2nd and 3rd paragraph: > Both paragraphs need more explanation and you need to make them consisten= t > with the text in the MIB modules. For LLDP you say "If the LLDP MIB is > implemented". Why don't you have a similar statement for the PoE MIB? You > talk about "the" Energy Object SNMP agent. However, EOs may not have SNMP > agents, for example, if they are just a power interface. And it is not sp= ecified > which of the potentially numerous instances of lldpLocPortNum objects of = a > device should be reported. >=20 > 4) Section 5.4, 4th paragraph: > "Since the communication between the Energy Objects may not be SNMP and i= s > left to the choice of the device manufacturer, an Energy Object can have > additional MIB objects that can be used for easier identification by the = EnMS." > Two comments on this sentence: > A) It is not very obvious if SNMP is not available, it makes sense to use= MIB > objects. Please clarify this. > B) Please note that the choice is not only with the manufacturer. Even if= the > manufacturer builds in SNMP, the operator may choose to disable it ;-) >=20 > 5) Section 6, DESCRIPTION clause of object eoEthPortIndex: > What "attached device" are you talking about? > Why is it relevant for the specification of this object, if that a certai= n MIB > module "should" be implemented on that device? Does it make any different > for the DESCRIPTION of this object whether or not this MIB module is > implemented on the attached device? I do not see why and thus recommend > removing the statement "PoE MIB should be instantiated on the device." >=20 > 6) Section 6, DESCRIPTION clause of object eoMgmtDNSName: > There may be more than one DNS name associated to a single IP address: > "the DNS name" -> "a DNS name" >=20 > 7) Section 6, DESCRIPTION clause of object eoDomainName: > Please insert as second sentence: "If the energy object has been assigned= to > multiple domains, then they are represented in this object as comma-separ= ated > list.", see comment 2). >=20 > 8) Section 6, SYNTAX clause of object eoPowerCategory: > Some devices match more than one category, for example a UPS is a store a= nd > a distributor at the same time, and to be precise, also a consumer. A PoE > Switch is a consumer and a distributor, some devices switch between consu= mer > and producer, etc. We can support all of this if we change the syntax fro= m > INTEGER to BITS. >=20 > 9) Section 6, DESCRIPTION clause of object eoAlternateKey: > There is a contradiction between having this object with MAX-ACCESS read- > write and stating " This object specifies a manufacturer defined string".= If the > manufacturer defines the string, there is no need to write it. I suggest = allowing > the operator to set the value of this document. >=20 > 10) Section 6, DESCRIPTION clause of object eoRelationID: > I recommend adding a sentence to the DESCRIPTION clause, that preferable > the value of an entPhysicalUUID from the Entity MIB should be used for va= lues > of this object. >=20 > 11) Section 6, Conformance of ENERGY-OBJECT-CONTEXT-MIB module: > The dependence of compliance with entity4CRCompliance is stated in the > GROUP DESCRIPTION clauses. In our case, this is not the right place. Ther= e is a > dependency on entity4CRCompliance independent of which group is > implemented. Hence, these statements need to be moved from the GROUP > DESCRIPTION clauses to the module compliance DESCRIPTION clauses of > energyObjectContextMIBFullCompliance and > energyObjectContextMIBReadOnlyCompliance. >=20 > 12) Section 6, Conformance of ENERGY-OBJECT-CONTEXT-MIB module: > We state in other places that implementation of the Entity MIB compliant = with > entity4CRCompliance is a must. But in the conformance section of the ENER= GY- > OBJECT-CONTEXT-MIB the dependency on entity4CRCompliance is stated as > "should". This need to be changed to a "must" or "required." >=20 > 13) Section 6, DESCRIPTION clause of TC IANAEnergyRelationship: > For interoperability, the description need to be clear. As this TC is sta= ted, there > are two points unclear to me: > A) " The enumeration 'poweredBy' is applicable if the > Energy Object A is poweredBy Energy Object B. > The enumeration 'powering' is applicable if the > Energy Object A is powering Energy Object B." > If the TC is used, how do I know which object is A and which is B? Is it = that the > DESCRIPTION clauses of objects of this type must refer to object A and ob= ject > B? > B) "if the Energy Object A is aggregating Energy Object B" > There is no place in this document where there is explained what aggregat= ing > means. >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Editorial comments: > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > 14) Abstract, last two lines: > "relationships between reporting devices, remote devices, and monitoring > devices.": The enumeration of "reporting devices", "monitoring devices", = and > "remote devices" is inappropriate because it does not reflect the list of > relationships discussed by the draft: poweredBy, meteredBy, aggregatedBy. >=20 > 15) Section 1. Introduction, 2nd paragraph, last two lines: > "Identification" -> "identification" > "Context" -> "context" > "Relationships" -> "relationships" >=20 > 16) Section 1.1, 3rd paragraph, line 1: > "A second MIB module required by the [EMAN-FMWK]": There is no MIB > module required by the EMAN framework. It seems you wanted to say: "A > second MIB module meeting EMAN requirements given by [RFC6988]". >=20 > 17) Entire Section 3 > This section is completely redundant. It mainly repeats sentences of sect= ion 1.1. > Remove this section and merge sentences you want to keep into section 1.1 >=20 > 18) Section 5, 3rd paragraph, first sentence: > The sentence is not grammatically correct, please fix. Also semantic corr= ection > seems to be needed. You don't mention "identification" as focus of the fi= rst > table. >=20 > 19) Section 5, sentence before Figure 1: > "The following UML diagram illustrates the relationship of the MIB object= s in > the eoTable, eoRelationTable that describe the identity, context and > relationship of an Energy Object." > You should mention that you UML diagram furthermore contains objects from > the Entity MIB. >=20 > 20) Section 5, figure 1: > There is a dotted line at the lower left that goes nowhere. Please cut it= . >=20 > 21) Section 5, grouping of MIB objects is inconsistent. > In Figure 1 you have three groups: "Context", "Identification", "Relation= ships", > where "Identifications" has three subgroups. The sentence below the figur= e > emphasizes this grouping. However, the following subsections 5.1-5.4 are > grouped differently. 5.1 is titled "Identification" but covers only a thi= rd of the > objects under "Identification" in Figure 1. Section 5.2 is consistently w= ith Figure > 1 covering context information. Section 5.3 covers PoE and LLDP identific= ation. > Sections 5.4 is called "Relationships" but covers not just the objects un= der > "Relationships" in Figure 1, but also objects from under "Identification"= in > Figure 1. Here is a clean-up needed. Please split the last sentence from = section > 5.4. It firs much better in section 5.3. >=20 > 22) Section 5, enumeration under Figure 1: > Please note that subsection 5.5 is not another group of MIB objects but r= efers > to objects in subsection 5.1. The sentence above the enumeration implies = that > each numbered item would be a group of objects. >=20 > 23) Section 5.1, 2nd paragraph, line 7: > What is "primary Energy Object information"? >=20 > 24) Section 5.4, 2nd paragraph, last sentence: > "It is important to notice, that it is possible that" -> "Obviously," > "not have an" -> "not have any" >=20 > 25) Section 5.4, 4th paragraph > The entire paragraph is in the wrong subsection. It rather belongs to sub= section > 5.1 or 5.3. >=20 > 26) Section 6, DESCRIPTION clause of object eoEthPortGrpIndex: > See comment 5). There is a full stop missing at the end of the second sen= tence. >=20 > 27) Section 6, OBJECTS clause of GROUP energyObjectRelationTableGroup: > The comment "Note that object eoRelationIndex is not included since it is= not- > accessible" is not really needed. Almost every Conformance section has su= ch > objects and usually this comment is omitted. >=20 > Cheers, > Juergen >=20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: eman [mailto:eman-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Nadeau > > Sent: Montag, 16. Dezember 2013 16:56 > > To: eman mailing list > > Subject: [eman] WG Last Call for > > draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 > > and draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13 > > > > > > As agreed at the last WG meeting, with the EMAN Framework > completing > > its WG LC the chairs would like to initiate a WG LC on draft-ietf- > > eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 and draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13. > > The WG LC will end on Dec 30 at 8AM EDT. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Nevil and Tom > > >=20 > _______________________________________________ > eman mailing list > eman@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman From Quittek@neclab.eu Mon Dec 30 11:33:39 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC9E1AE2D7 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 11:33:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.14 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.14 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qp2XLxUSOKI6 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 11:33:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailer1.neclab.eu (mailer1.neclab.eu [195.37.70.40]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2AED1AE21E for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 11:33:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailer1.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6FF31066AE for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 20:23:07 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (netlab.nec.de) Received: from mailer1.neclab.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas-a.office.hd [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id odNw1Ne+cKAC for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 20:23:07 +0100 (CET) X-ENC: Last-Hop-TLS-encrypted X-ENC: Last-Hop-TLS-encrypted Received: from METHONE.office.hd (methone.office.hd [192.168.24.54]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailer1.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C898B10664B for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 20:23:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from DAPHNIS.office.hd ([169.254.2.18]) by METHONE.office.hd ([192.168.24.54]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 20:33:03 +0100 From: Juergen Quittek To: eman mailing list Thread-Topic: [eman] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 and draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13 Thread-Index: AQHO+ndiYJGZWdpqpE2anb88yvyKypptNC8w Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 19:33:02 +0000 Message-ID: <9AB93E4127C26F4BA7829DEFDCE5A6E8688B333E@DAPHNIS.office.hd> References: <5298B7FA.1010509@cisco.com> <52A5A9FA.80101@cisco.com> <52A5C2A6.9000501@cisco.com> <52AB8777.9060704@cisco.com> <653A4764-315C-4671-B0DA-389553CB3E29@lucidvision.com> In-Reply-To: <653A4764-315C-4671-B0DA-389553CB3E29@lucidvision.com> Accept-Language: de-DE, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.7.0.197] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [eman] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 and draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13 X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 19:33:39 -0000 Dear all, Here are my last two comments for this WGLC. Both concerns the conformance = section of the ENERGY-OBJECT-MIB module in draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitorin= g-mib-08: 1. I may have missed a point here: Why is the Entity MIB not mandatory anym= ore to implement? It is just two additional objects, since entPhysicalIndex= from this MIB is needed anyway. Particularly, we considered the UUID provi= ded by this MIB essential for our framework. 2. Why is the module compliance dependency on the Entity MIB repeated in th= e DESCRIPTION clauses of all optional groups within a MODULE-COMPLIANCE dec= laration? I think It is fully sufficient to have it stated in the top DESCR= IPTION clause of the MODULE-COMPLIANCE declaration. Does it make any sense = to repeat it for optional groups? Cheers, Juergen > -----Original Message----- > From: eman [mailto:eman-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Nadeau > Sent: Montag, 16. Dezember 2013 16:56 > To: eman mailing list > Subject: [eman] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 > and draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13 >=20 >=20 > As agreed at the last WG meeting, with the EMAN Framework > completing its WG LC the chairs would like to initiate a WG LC on draft-i= etf- > eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 and draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13. > The WG LC will end on Dec 30 at 8AM EDT. >=20 > Thank you, >=20 > Nevil and Tom >=20 From tnadeau@lucidvision.com Mon Dec 30 11:52:44 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28A331AE30A for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 11:52:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.438 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.438 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NSM5HI0SAxrh for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 11:52:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from lucidvision.com (lucidvision.com [72.71.250.34]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F04C1AE1DE for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 11:52:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (static-72-71-250-38.cncdnh.fast04.myfairpoint.net [72.71.250.38]) by lucidvision.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F033269C5FB; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 14:52:36 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_7DDFD106-1888-45E9-A8A5-3901A3B919D4"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.1 \(1827\)) From: Thomas Nadeau In-Reply-To: <9AB93E4127C26F4BA7829DEFDCE5A6E8688B32A5@DAPHNIS.office.hd> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 14:52:36 -0500 Message-Id: References: <5298B7FA.1010509@cisco.com> <52A5A9FA.80101@cisco.com> <52A5C2A6.9000501@cisco.com> <52AB8777.9060704@cisco.com> <653A4764-315C-4671-B0DA-389553CB3E29@lucidvision.com> <5339BC8D-660B-4659-96DC-C0170E124134@lucidvision.com> <9AB93E4127C26F4BA7829DEFDCE5A6E8688B32A5@DAPHNIS.office.hd> To: Juergen Quittek X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1827) Cc: eman mailing list Subject: Re: [eman] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 and draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13 X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 19:52:44 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_7DDFD106-1888-45E9-A8A5-3901A3B919D4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The note said 8AM EDT. *) Anyways, send over your comments ASAP. --Tom On Dec 30, 2013:1:46 PM, at 1:46 PM, Juergen Quittek = wrote: > Hi Tom, > I missed the fact that the deadline is already in the morning of = today. I thought I had the full day today for sending them. There are = still some comments that I planned to send this evening. I will send = them asap and hope they will be OK even if a few hours late. > Thanks, > Juergen >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: eman [mailto:eman-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Nadeau >> Sent: Montag, 30. Dezember 2013 14:44 >> To: eman mailing list >> Subject: Re: [eman] WG Last Call for = draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib- >> 08 and draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13 >>=20 >>=20 >> WG, >>=20 >> This concludes the WG LC on the MIBs. We have received just one = set >> of comments from the WG and one set of comments regarding the OID >> numbering. Would the document editors please address these and = republish >> the drafts ASAP so that we can proceed with progressing the drafts? >>=20 >> Cheers and Happy Holidays, >>=20 >> Tom >>=20 >>=20 >>>=20 >>> As agreed at the last WG meeting, with the EMAN Framework >> completing its WG LC the chairs would like to initiate a WG LC on = draft-ietf- >> eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 and = draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13. >> The WG LC will end on Dec 30 at 8AM EDT. >>>=20 >>> Thank you, >>>=20 >>> Nevil and Tom >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> eman mailing list >>> eman@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_7DDFD106-1888-45E9-A8A5-3901A3B919D4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJSwc8EAAoJEPcO+I7eiUJZyTQP/2lBGQJbuPaw6bRSvrAQ4FEK jlm3XiwCHo25cSYmLgYWgFKnB4fUtTI1fLgd9di/Mc0wW5KeUhVvzb45zH/4qn+0 Wy+yJPn35BGbHKjF96W+F3U7E1h9vO3dUQwMatLHidR5yeV4tDo4E2xrh+cj9Pmg EDDN6tZJIw9saYt7G21hj38Vi+Yvo+d9ImrMLmkCfa25EsEClGA1VEWZhLYD90rS W0ChxMM6enHUFfaRvWhBxDwyWjrWOgLJV7N1nedthFwxoZCOlkyt53qsjrscGr+t s3t7Vv8tpGNjFhmFnU9eqn+oX+j4O31VLTZHK6hYGU0lcvMrnvoN4VJgqWncls3M Y5p6xTTSeWTRTLLGsL0Hd2qr2atmiV4Dn1wggQWcY/T3ABhmjKifAg3BOvzMqpH2 kJ4WdZZJ3fE2vZ8ASS9zpTSdaXpgoFA1lRR7hOYWMSE7ZNt46/kLjHIba0MSwP6q 3toyejzmCqCqVdJagP/hEWAELdWZPmZ9vEaLf/L7z4VeT9LSV4a/xlE5VauqbQL8 c6S+yAVvJEmtyWVZm+9QC6gQRSH4dxSq5dm8y6dXiieHCjy5n8isGZUj8+5n5wKv gh3InH51a75US35N69O6pN8TJTl8QzJyW/+geQLwuD1L3Kn/g+ys3Ov2+Odz3wEi 6Mt0LWIa8pOe9h93AD5u =Po0a -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_7DDFD106-1888-45E9-A8A5-3901A3B919D4-- From karagian@cs.utwente.nl Tue Dec 31 02:17:19 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D8DC1AE0AB for ; 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latitude=52.2195; longitude=6.8912; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=52.2195,6.8912&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: utwente-out:default (inherits from utwente:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 0vL8ah7zc - 9500fa20802b - 20131231 (trained as not-spam) X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) Subject: Re: [eman] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 and draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13 X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 10:17:19 -0000 --_000_FF1A9612A94D5C4A81ED7DE1039AB80F4F4141DAEXMBX23adutwent_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, Sorry for the delay on providing comments on time for the WGLC of draft-iet= f-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 and draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13. Here are my comments! Many of the comments that I wanted to send are similar to the ones sent by = Juergen Quittek. Therefore, I will send only the ones that are different! =3D> Regarding: draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13: Comment_1: Section 5, page 6 shows the entries/attributes (MIB objects) of= the eaTable and eoRelationTable. In Figure 1 the UML diagram illustrates t= he relationship of the MIB objects in the eatable and eoRelationTable. Howe= ver not all entries (MIB objects) depicted in eaTable and eoRelationTable (= page 6) are shown in the UML diagrams. Please elaborate on this in the text= . Comment_2: In section 5.2, page 20 is mentioned: =93The Energy Object can b= e classified as consuming power or supplying power to other devices or that= Energy Object can perform both of those functions, ..=94. However, in the = formal MIB definition on page 20, eoPowerCategory can get the values: consu= mer (0), producer(1), meter(2), distributor(3) or store(4). From what I can= see no value is provided for the situation that the energy object can perf= orm both functions consumer and producer. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D> Regarding draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08: Comment_1:Section 5: It is not clear what is the relation between the ENERG= Y-OBJECT-MIB MIB module tables, the associated UML diagram given in Figure = 1 and the text other subsections (5.1, 5.2, 5.3, 5.4, 5.5 and 5.6.).. Pleas= e make this relation clear. Comment_2: The same holds for the powerAttributeMIB MIB module tables, UML = diagram given in Figure 2 and subsections (5.1, 5.2, 5.3, 5.4, 5.5 and 5.6.= ). Comment_3: The description of the powerAttributeMIB MIB module tables on pa= ge 8 is too short. A similar description as the one described for the ENERG= Y-OBJECT-MIB MIB module tables in page 6 could be also provided, Comment_4: Some parts of the UML diagram given in Figure 2 as representing = the relations in the powerAttributeMIB are (probabl) part of the ENERGY-OB= JECT-MIB. These are the Energy ParametersTable and EnergyTable. Comment_5: not all entries (MIB objects) depicted in the ENERGY-OBJECT-MIB = MIB module tables are shown in the UML diagram depicted in Fgure 1.Please e= laborate. Comment_6: the same holds for powerAttributeMIB MIB module tables and the = UML diagram depicted in Figure 2. Comment_7: Maybe the title of Section 5.1 should be: Enetgy Object Identity= , instead of Energy Object Information? Comment_8: The description of the vertical axis used in Figure 3 is not cle= ar to me. Are both horizontal axis and vertical axis representing time. Reg= arding the vertical axis you might want to say that the vertical axis repre= sents the amount of measured power ? Comment_9: The description of Figure 4 is not clear to me. You might includ= e at the right sde of the figure and for each window the term S+L, so (S1+L= , S2+L, S3+L and S4+L). You can then explain that the value of the EoEnergy= Consumed is obtained at these time intervals (Sx+L).. Comment_10: Section 6 is very important and its importance should be emphas= ized more clearly in the Introduction. Comment_11: In Section 6 the term EMAN-MON-MIB is used for the first time. = I considered that it referes to this document. Please emphasize that in the= text. Comment_12: Section 8 provides an example for the implementation of the Ene= rgy Object, including the Energy Object relationships. Is it possible to pr= ovide an example of the IANAEnergyRelationship (in particular regaring aggr= egation) defined in [ENERGY-AWARE-MIB]. Comment_13: Are the MIB objects defined in this draft complying with the me= chanisms defined by SMIv2 [RFC2578, RFC2579, RFC2580? If yes, please emphas= ize this in the document! Best regards, Georgios Karagiannis ________________________________ Van: eman [eman-bounces@ietf.org] namens Thomas Nadeau [tnadeau@lucidvision= .com] Verzonden: maandag 30 december 2013 20:52 To: Juergen Quittek Cc: eman mailing list Onderwerp: Re: [eman] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mi= b-08 and draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13 The note said 8AM EDT. *) Anyways, send over your comments ASAP. --Tom On Dec 30, 2013:1:46 PM, at 1:46 PM, Juergen Quittek wr= ote: > Hi Tom, > I missed the fact that the deadline is already in the morning of today. I= thought I had the full day today for sending them. There are still some co= mments that I planned to send this evening. I will send them asap and hope = they will be OK even if a few hours late. > Thanks, > Juergen > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: eman [mailto:eman-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Nadeau >> Sent: Montag, 30. Dezember 2013 14:44 >> To: eman mailing list >> Subject: Re: [eman] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-m= ib- >> 08 and draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13 >> >> >> WG, >> >> This concludes the WG LC on the MIBs. We have received just one se= t >> of comments from the WG and one set of comments regarding the OID >> numbering. Would the document editors please address these and republish >> the drafts ASAP so that we can proceed with progressing the drafts? >> >> Cheers and Happy Holidays, >> >> Tom >> >> >>> >>> As agreed at the last WG meeting, with the EMAN Framework >> completing its WG LC the chairs would like to initiate a WG LC on draft-= ietf- >> eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 and draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13. >> The WG LC will end on Dec 30 at 8AM EDT. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Nevil and Tom >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> eman mailing list >>> eman@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman > > --_000_FF1A9612A94D5C4A81ED7DE1039AB80F4F4141DAEXMBX23adutwent_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,

 

Sorry for the delay on providing comments on time for the WGLC of = draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 and draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13.

 

Here are my comments!

Many of the comments that I wanted to send are similar to the ones= sent by Juergen Quittek. Therefore, I will send only the ones that are different!

 

=3D> Regarding: draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13:=

 

Comment_1: Section 5, page 6 shows the entries/attributes  (MIB objects) of the eaTable= and eoRelationTable. In Figure 1 the UML diagram illustrates the relations= hip of the MIB objects in the eatable and eoRelationTable. However not all = entries (MIB objects) depicted in eaTable and eoRelationTable (page 6) are shown in the UML diagrams. Please elabora= te on this in the text.

 

Comment_2: In section 5.2, page 20 is mentioned: =93The Energy Obj= ect can be classified as consuming power or supplying power to other devices or that Energy Object can perform both of those fun= ctions, ..=94. However, in the formal MIB definition on page 20, eoPowerCat= egory can get the values: consumer (0), producer(1), meter(2), distributor(= 3) or store(4). From what I can see no value is provided for the situation that the energy object can perform = both functions consumer and producer.

 

 

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=3D> Regarding draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08:

 

Comment_1:Section 5: It is not clear what is the relation between = the ENERGY-OBJECT-MIB MIB module tables, the associated UML diagram given in Figure 1 and the text other subsections (5= .1, 5.2, 5.3, 5.4, 5.5 and 5.6.).. Please make this relation clear.

 

Comment_2: The same holds for the powerAttributeMIB MIB module tab= les, UML diagram given in Figure 2 and subsections (5.1, 5.2, 5.3, 5.4, 5.5 and 5.6.).

 

Comment_3: The description of the powerAttributeMIB MIB module tab= les on page 8 is too short. A similar description as the one described for the ENERGY-OBJECT-MIB MIB module tables in page 6= could be also provided,

 

Comment_4: Some parts of the UML diagram given in Figure 2 as repr= esenting the relations in the powerAttributeMIB are (probabl)  part of the E= NERGY-OBJECT-MIB. These are the Energy ParametersTable and EnergyTable.

 

Comment_5: not all entries (MIB objects) depicted in the ENERGY-OB= JECT-MIB MIB module tables are shown in the UML diagram depicted in Fgure 1.Please elaborate.=

 

Comment_6: the same holds for powerAttributeMIB MIB module tables  and the UML diagram depicted= in Figure 2.

 

Comment_7: Maybe the title of Section 5.1 should be: Enetgy Object= Identity, instead of Energy Object Information?

 

Comment_8: The description of the vertical axis used in Figure 3 i= s not clear to me. Are both horizontal axis and vertical axis representing time. Regarding the vertical axis you might= want to say that the vertical axis represents the amount of measured power= ?

 

Comment_9: The description of Figure 4 is not clear to me. You mig= ht include at the right sde of the figure and for each window the term S+L, so (S1+L, S2+L, S3+L and S4&= #43;L). You can then explain that the value of the EoEnergyConsumed is obta= ined at these time intervals (Sx+L)..

 

Comment_10: Section 6 is very important and its importance should = be emphasized more clearly in the Introduction.

 

Comment_11: In Section 6 the term EMAN-MON-MIB is used for the fir= st time. I considered that it referes to this document. Please emphasize that in the text.

 

Comment_12: Section 8 provides an example for the implementation o= f the Energy Object, including the Energy Object relationships. Is it possible to provide an example of the IANAEnergyRelat= ionship (in particular regaring aggregation) defined in [ENERGY-AWARE-MIB].=

 

Comment_13: Are the MIB objects defined in this draft complying wi= th the mechanisms defined by SMIv2 [RFC2578, RFC2579, RFC2580? If yes, please emphasize this in the document!

 

Best regards,

Georgios Karagiannis

 

 

 


Van: eman [eman-bounces@ietf.org] namens Thomas Nadeau [tnadeau@= lucidvision.com]
Verzonden: maandag 30 december 2013 20:52
To: Juergen Quittek
Cc: eman mailing list
Onderwerp: Re: [eman] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-eman-energy-monito= ring-mib-08 and draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13


        The note said 8AM EDT. *)

        Anyways, send over your comments= ASAP.

        --Tom


On Dec 30, 2013:1:46 PM, at 1:46 PM, Juergen Quittek <Quittek@neclab.eu&= gt; wrote:

> Hi Tom,
> I missed the fact that the deadline is already in the morning of today= . I thought I had the full day today for sending them. There are still some= comments that I planned to send this evening. I will send them asap and ho= pe they will be OK even if a few hours late.
> Thanks,
>    Juergen
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: eman [mailto:eman-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Nadeau
>> Sent: Montag, 30. Dezember 2013 14:44
>> To: eman mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [eman] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-eman-energy-monito= ring-mib-
>> 08 and draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-13
>>
>>
>>       WG,
>>
>>       This concludes the WG LC on th= e MIBs. We have received just one set
>> of comments from the WG and one set of comments regarding the OID<= br> >> numbering. Would the document editors please address these and rep= ublish
>> the drafts ASAP so that we can proceed with progressing the drafts= ?
>>
>>       Cheers and Happy Holidays,
>>
>>       Tom
>>
>>
>>>
>>>      As agreed at the last WG meeting= , with the EMAN Framework
>> completing its WG LC the chairs would like to initiate a WG LC on = draft-ietf-
>> eman-energy-monitoring-mib-08 and draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib= -13.
>> The WG LC will end on Dec 30 at 8AM EDT.
>>>
>>>      Thank you,
>>>
>>>      Nevil and Tom
>>>
>>>
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