From nobody Fri Nov 7 16:57:30 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: geopriv@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: geopriv@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EFD51A00B9 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 16:57:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uQw_KkrEfSds for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 16:57:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from out2-smtp.messagingengine.com (out2-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D57511A00A9 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 16:57:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id B45942092B for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 19:57:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from frontend2 ([10.202.2.161]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 07 Nov 2014 19:57:25 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cooperw.in; h= x-sasl-enc:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to :date:cc:message-id:references:to; s=mesmtp; bh=EHO8T5WJzcW7nRdd PZnLqlvN5OY=; b=3lCEMLbbRsRoNPZhc7p7KcQbzbeGFZrzDctKIbcawDQ8DC03 7Z4CL3w5C3nsZWONdz0VC+jnoo5LqLLHuQEl8L2YjJQljmNbTEfz/6upc0t92Etq R8bdB44JvXjETD61kUQBFWXurevleIjb118NeF28QXKYzvOdL8hBEu0KETc= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=x-sasl-enc:content-type:mime-version :subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id:references:to; s= smtpout; bh=EHO8T5WJzcW7nRddPZnLqlvN5OY=; b=MrcutmOQ0kl4GGMPv7xt z3J3BJQkSiBahaoUcKNmnCqJKOuwvrRvecAR+ajBm8xs6f44RYH4umiJxPGy3cPS 6A08KfeFmD7wKejVyvZGWeCkOeE5mKDXIAkLO+2yi7SrWgznIu597RDZrlrOU6lt 4bpwOsOt7tPqPqLq/k6BT98= X-Sasl-enc: TQQ2Q1EZW4rVI9imHVoAY347opoRMdW0xa7X89mMNH0i 1415408245 Received: from [10.35.132.83] (unknown [128.107.239.233]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 35504680076; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 19:57:25 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_0005E75C-7AB1-4AEC-8690-1E411B4673CC" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Alissa Cooper In-Reply-To: <249CBFAE-581C-410B-8459-15EB1E467E7E@cooperw.in> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 16:57:24 -0800 Message-Id: <90CD9DFD-815E-4972-A4E6-7A963189EDAB@cooperw.in> References: <20141024181157.10245.34144.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <6DB8FD3D-6277-481C-A68D-26F7D569DC55@nominet.org.uk> <249CBFAE-581C-410B-8459-15EB1E467E7E@cooperw.in> To: Ray Bellis X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/geopriv/eYyWiHvBdXJgA9uWLrpng7nrRVs Cc: geopriv mailing list Subject: [Geopriv] Closing the group X-BeenThere: geopriv@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Geographic Location/Privacy List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2014 00:57:29 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_0005E75C-7AB1-4AEC-8690-1E411B4673CC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii As indicated, I will initiate the closing of the group this week. The = mailing list will remain open. Thanks to everyone for all your hard work over the years. Ray, I hope we can get a celebration organized. Alissa On Oct 27, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Alissa Cooper wrote: > On Oct 26, 2014, at 1:22 PM, Ray Bellis = wrote: >=20 >> And with this, I believe I can declare the Working Group finished and = ask our AD to close the group :) >=20 > Yes, will do. We can keep the mailing list around. >=20 >>=20 >> Whilst we're not (of course) meeting as a WG in Honolulu, I think = some sort of get-together celebration is in order! >>=20 >> If folks think that's a good idea I'll solicit suggestions for a = venue and date/time for such - probably a Doodle poll for the latter. >=20 > Sounds good to me. > Alissa >=20 >>=20 >> Kind regards >>=20 >> Ray >>=20 >> On 24 Oct 2014, at 19:12, "The IESG" wrote: >>>=20 >>> The IESG has approved the following document: >>> - 'Representation of Uncertainty and Confidence in PIDF-LO' >>> (draft-ietf-geopriv-uncertainty-04.txt) as Proposed Standard >>>=20 >>> This document is the product of the Geographic Location/Privacy = Working >>> Group. >>>=20 >>> The IESG contact persons are Alissa Cooper and Richard Barnes. >>>=20 >>> A URL of this Internet Draft is: >>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-geopriv-uncertainty/ >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Technical Summary >>>=20 >>> ## This document describes improved semantics for expressing the=20 >>> ## uncertainty and confidence of a location object and specifies a = new=20 >>> ## XML schema for describing these values within a PIDF-LO object = per=20 >>> ## Standards Track RFC 4119. >>>=20 >>> Working Group Summary >>>=20 >>> ## There were concerns over how a civic location might be >>> ## "uncertain". Text was added to clarify that the context >>> ## was civic locations that have resulted from reverse-geocoding >>> ## measured geodetic locations. >>>=20 >>> Document Quality >>>=20 >>> ## The document has had good levels of working group review. >>>=20 >>> Personnel >>>=20 >>> ## The document shepherd is Ray Bellis. >>> ## The responsible AD is Alissa Cooper. >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Geopriv mailing list >>> Geopriv@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Geopriv mailing list >> Geopriv@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Geopriv mailing list > Geopriv@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv --Apple-Mail=_0005E75C-7AB1-4AEC-8690-1E411B4673CC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
As indicated, I will initiate the closing of = the group this week. The mailing list will remain = open.

Thanks to everyone for all your hard work = over the years.

Ray, I hope we can get a = celebration = organized.

Alissa


On Oct 27, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> = wrote:

On Oct 26, 2014, at 1:22 PM, Ray = Bellis <Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk>= ; wrote:

And with this, I believe I can = declare the Working Group finished and ask our AD to close the group = :)

Yes, will do. We can keep the mailing list = around.


Whilst we're not (of = course) meeting as a WG in Honolulu, I think some sort of get-together = celebration is in order!

If folks think that's a good idea I'll = solicit suggestions for a venue and date/time for such - probably a = Doodle poll for the latter.

Sounds good to = me.
Alissa


Kind = regards

Ray

On 24 Oct 2014, at 19:12, "The IESG" <iesg-secretary@ietf.org> = wrote:

The IESG has approved the = following document:
- 'Representation of Uncertainty and Confidence = in PIDF-LO'
(draft-ietf-geopriv-uncertainty-04.txt) as Proposed = Standard

This document is the product of the Geographic = Location/Privacy Working
Group.

The IESG contact persons are = Alissa Cooper and Richard Barnes.

A URL of this Internet Draft = is:
h= ttp://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-geopriv-uncertainty/

=



Technical Summary

## This document describes = improved semantics for expressing the 
## uncertainty and = confidence of a location object and specifies a new 
## XML schema for = describing these values within a PIDF-LO object per 
## Standards Track RFC = 4119.

Working Group Summary

## There were concerns over = how a civic location might be
## "uncertain".  Text was added to = clarify that the context
## was civic locations that have resulted = from reverse-geocoding
## measured geodetic = locations.

Document Quality

## The document has had good = levels of working group review.

Personnel

## The document = shepherd is Ray Bellis.
## The responsible AD is Alissa = Cooper.

_______________________________________________
Geopriv = mailing = list
Geopriv@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv<= br>

_______________________________________________
Geo= priv mailing list
Geopriv@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.= org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv

_________________________= ______________________
Geopriv mailing list
Geopriv@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.or= g/mailman/listinfo/geopriv

= --Apple-Mail=_0005E75C-7AB1-4AEC-8690-1E411B4673CC-- From nobody Fri Nov 7 21:57:54 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: geopriv@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: geopriv@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C9561A0398; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 21:57:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sTdpMEXHSfpV; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 21:57:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E7151A0393; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 21:57:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IESG Secretary To: IETF Announcement List X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.7.2.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141108055751.31390.47824.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2014 21:57:51 -0800 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/geopriv/UWrZ591V0I5POX3eDzTLtrd20I0 Cc: geopriv@ietf.org Subject: [Geopriv] WG Action: Conclusion of Geographic Location/Privacy (geopriv) X-BeenThere: geopriv@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org List-Id: Geographic Location/Privacy List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2014 05:57:52 -0000 The Geographic Location/Privacy Working Group has concluded. The IESG contact persons are Alissa Cooper and Richard Barnes. Many thanks to all of the WG chairs, authors, contributors, and RAI ADs over the years for your work to standardize the conveyance of location information and policies governing that information on the Internet. The WG mailing list, geopriv@ietf.org, will remain open. WG: http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/geopriv/charter/ Charter: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-geopriv/ From nobody Sat Nov 8 07:32:59 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: geopriv@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: geopriv@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31D6B1A1BDF for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2014 07:32:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qixwZGnHwRm6 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2014 07:32:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from na01-by2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-by2on0097.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.100.97]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 19F1E1A1BFE for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2014 07:32:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from BN1PR06MB119.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (10.255.204.25) by BN1PR06MB119.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (10.255.204.25) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.16.15; Sat, 8 Nov 2014 15:32:53 +0000 Received: from BN1PR06MB119.namprd06.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.14.195]) by BN1PR06MB119.namprd06.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.14.195]) with mapi id 15.01.0016.006; Sat, 8 Nov 2014 15:32:53 +0000 From: Robin Wilton To: Alissa Cooper Thread-Topic: [Geopriv] Closing the group Thread-Index: AQHP+u79NDhQ1GFkIEqN/z5x/+zvBZxW3KUw Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2014 15:32:51 +0000 Message-ID: <7E9D4BAA-F807-4708-9A41-6FC595A77970@isoc.org> References: <20141024181157.10245.34144.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <6DB8FD3D-6277-481C-A68D-26F7D569DC55@nominet.org.uk> <249CBFAE-581C-410B-8459-15EB1E467E7E@cooperw.in>, <90CD9DFD-815E-4972-A4E6-7A963189EDAB@cooperw.in> In-Reply-To: <90CD9DFD-815E-4972-A4E6-7A963189EDAB@cooperw.in> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [94.174.34.240] x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:BN1PR06MB119; x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:BN1PR06MB119; x-forefront-prvs: 0389EDA07F x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10009020)(199003)(189002)(71364002)(54164003)(377454003)(40100003)(120916001)(15975445006)(92566001)(33656002)(99396003)(15202345003)(122556002)(19580395003)(86362001)(92726001)(19580405001)(54356999)(97736003)(76176999)(101416001)(16236675004)(50986999)(64706001)(4396001)(20776003)(46102003)(66066001)(110136001)(107046002)(99286002)(106116001)(19617315012)(95666004)(106356001)(21056001)(105586002)(87936001)(82746002)(77096003)(83716003)(2656002)(62966003)(31966008)(36756003)(77156002)(104396001); DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; SCL:1; SRVR:BN1PR06MB119; H:BN1PR06MB119.namprd06.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; MLV:sfv; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7E9D4BAAF80747089A416FC595A77970isocorg_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: isoc.org Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/geopriv/qrKVSluUwK16ZQkuIsyVmjt86Ro Cc: geopriv mailing list Subject: Re: [Geopriv] Closing the group X-BeenThere: geopriv@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Geographic Location/Privacy List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2014 15:32:57 -0000 --_000_7E9D4BAAF80747089A416FC595A77970isocorg_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And well done to you for steering the group's work to a conclusion! Yrs., Robin Robin Wilton Technical Outreach Director - Identity and Privacy On 8 Nov 2014, at 00:57, "Alissa Cooper" > wrote: As indicated, I will initiate the closing of the group this week. The maili= ng list will remain open. Thanks to everyone for all your hard work over the years. Ray, I hope we can get a celebration organized. Alissa On Oct 27, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Alissa Cooper > wrote: On Oct 26, 2014, at 1:22 PM, Ray Bellis > wrote: And with this, I believe I can declare the Working Group finished and ask o= ur AD to close the group :) Yes, will do. We can keep the mailing list around. Whilst we're not (of course) meeting as a WG in Honolulu, I think some sort= of get-together celebration is in order! If folks think that's a good idea I'll solicit suggestions for a venue and = date/time for such - probably a Doodle poll for the latter. Sounds good to me. Alissa Kind regards Ray On 24 Oct 2014, at 19:12, "The IESG" > wrote: The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Representation of Uncertainty and Confidence in PIDF-LO' (draft-ietf-geopriv-uncertainty-04.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Geographic Location/Privacy Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Alissa Cooper and Richard Barnes. A URL of this Internet Draft is: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-geopriv-uncertainty/ Technical Summary ## This document describes improved semantics for expressing the ## uncertainty and confidence of a location object and specifies a new ## XML schema for describing these values within a PIDF-LO object per ## Standards Track RFC 4119. Working Group Summary ## There were concerns over how a civic location might be ## "uncertain". Text was added to clarify that the context ## was civic locations that have resulted from reverse-geocoding ## measured geodetic locations. Document Quality ## The document has had good levels of working group review. Personnel ## The document shepherd is Ray Bellis. ## The responsible AD is Alissa Cooper. _______________________________________________ Geopriv mailing list Geopriv@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv _______________________________________________ Geopriv mailing list Geopriv@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv _______________________________________________ Geopriv mailing list Geopriv@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv _______________________________________________ Geopriv mailing list Geopriv@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv --_000_7E9D4BAAF80747089A416FC595A77970isocorg_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
And well done to you for steering the group's work to a conclusion!

Yrs.,
Robin

Robin Wilton

Technical Outreach Director - Identity and Privacy

On 8 Nov 2014, at 00:57, "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:

As indicated, I will initiate the closing of the group this week. The = mailing list will remain open.

Thanks to everyone for all your hard work over the years.

Ray, I hope we can get a celebration organized.

Alissa


On Oct 27, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:

On Oct 26, 2014, at 1:22 PM, Ray Bellis <Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk> wrote:

And with this, I believe I can declare the Workin= g Group finished and ask our AD to close the group :)

Yes, will do. We can keep the mailing list around.


Whilst we're not (of course) meeting as a WG in Honolulu, I think some sort= of get-together celebration is in order!

If folks think that's a good idea I'll solicit suggestions for a venue and = date/time for such - probably a Doodle poll for the latter.

Sounds good to me.
Alissa


Kind regards

Ray

On 24 Oct 2014, at 19:12, "The IESG" <iesg-secretary@ietf.org> wrote:

The IESG has approved the following document:
- 'Representation of Uncertainty and Confidence in PIDF-LO'
(draft-ietf-geopriv-uncertainty-04.txt) as Proposed Standard

This document is the product of the Geographic Location/Privacy Working
Group.

The IESG contact persons are Alissa Cooper and Richard Barnes.

A URL of this Internet Draft is:
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-geopriv-uncertainty/





Technical Summary

## This document describes improved semantics for expressing the 
## uncertainty and confidence of a location object and specifies a new 
## XML schema for describing these values within a PIDF-LO object per 
## Standards Track RFC 4119.

Working Group Summary

## There were concerns over how a civic location might be
## "uncertain".  Text was added to clarify that the context<= br> ## was civic locations that have resulted from reverse-geocoding
## measured geodetic locations.

Document Quality

## The document has had good levels of working group review.

Personnel

## The document shepherd is Ray Bellis.
## The responsible AD is Alissa Cooper.

_______________________________________________
Geopriv mailing list
Geopriv@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.= org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv

_______________________________________________
Geopriv mailing list
Geopriv@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.= org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv

_______________________________________________
Geopriv mailing list
Geopriv@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.= org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv

_______________________________________________
Geopriv mailing list
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--_000_7E9D4BAAF80747089A416FC595A77970isocorg_-- From nobody Sun Nov 9 16:32:01 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: geopriv@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: geopriv@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA19C1A87C2 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2014 16:31:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.995 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.995 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3_f0SFpGvoAO for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2014 16:31:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx2.nominet.org.uk (mail.nominet.org.uk [213.248.242.49]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A08AA1A87BD for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2014 16:31:56 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: s=main2.dk.nominet.selector; d=nominet.org.uk; c=nofws; q=dns; h=X-IronPort-AV:X-IPAS-Result:Received:Received:From:To:CC: Subject:Thread-Topic:Thread-Index:Date:Message-ID: References:In-Reply-To:Accept-Language:Content-Language: X-MS-Has-Attach:X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:x-originating-ip: Content-Type:Content-ID:Content-Transfer-Encoding: MIME-Version; b=e9mtVkArahTU7Rd4adD9lUZL0NDkQH7JhIo4vKTsPZO2FXUUboKpKqBa ZAY0AhBBRPQEnzTXAC7euobBTSUpqk7IF1CCRjVRLyMtU5EDUnWsdmI7P JfG3c0NB2DKiYcdMq3+PG9hIXTxNdH9Auoyj+CB9u9bf0t0nczc3VyAX4 g8HGxherOjBqH2hXW8ysYC7PLbU5xqixvU5zJZE3nvbV0UXsoSWocwqcD ejyK/bo3hpTyUJ98a2O+kOnKQ2N+c; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nominet.org.uk; i=@nominet.org.uk; q=dns/txt; s=main2.dkim.nominet.selector; t=1415579517; x=1447115517; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=eEPo1JP/DbSQdpkY7bOnRNjADmx7jzZUE3t8iVddyLE=; b=WMUmRWlKD386AnR7jtc8og1h4lzRMC48a8VnzBAZW5K9550mDNZovKOx lwxAhhjJznkP9Tfv7DufwGfIjmlAEKtChN/Z0DsucohBXbUMB1sAywwZx zZ9PnRrRgPF49a9iokyQfHMlZND9oFoSNcsdy2eZgUGgR6VApIqU/s9i3 OnG/yA1zBy6J4xQygVQoxZMh9siyKHbGnoMCS5mSyREdZyusvuJEIKitN VmjHXj7VzFr7Py/dOBLMnWjkNwM43; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,348,1413241200"; d="scan'208";a="13728107" X-IPAS-Result: AiwEANoGYFTV+MWRdGdsb2JhbABbgmt3WQTLZIdTAoEYFgEBAQEBARABDF+EAwEBAwFTGwsFCwIBCEYyJQIEDgWIOAoDCc0QAQEBBwEBAQEBAQEBGpBiMweDLYEeBZcEiFU9kGWIBGyBSIEDAQEB Received: from wds-exc2.okna.nominet.org.uk ([213.248.197.145]) by mx2.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 10 Nov 2014 00:31:54 +0000 Received: from WDS-EXC1.okna.nominet.org.uk ([fe80::1593:1394:a91f:8f5f]) by wds-exc2.okna.nominet.org.uk ([fe80::7577:eaca:5241:25d4%16]) with mapi id 14.03.0181.006; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 00:31:54 +0000 From: Ray Bellis To: Alissa Cooper Thread-Topic: Closing the group Thread-Index: AQHP+u73JhpgZq17K0i0eS4prCN1lpxZBZWA Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 00:31:52 +0000 Message-ID: <099EEED9-1B87-44DD-B878-FDA683A7CA24@nominet.org.uk> References: <20141024181157.10245.34144.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <6DB8FD3D-6277-481C-A68D-26F7D569DC55@nominet.org.uk> <249CBFAE-581C-410B-8459-15EB1E467E7E@cooperw.in> <90CD9DFD-815E-4972-A4E6-7A963189EDAB@cooperw.in> In-Reply-To: <90CD9DFD-815E-4972-A4E6-7A963189EDAB@cooperw.in> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.168.2.1] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <30ED8C1784089341A0E80F05D86700BD@okna.nominet.org.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/geopriv/mSvwcthsrJkNYJMjktbY1E1z_ps Cc: geopriv mailing list Subject: Re: [Geopriv] Closing the group X-BeenThere: geopriv@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Geographic Location/Privacy List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 00:32:00 -0000 On 7 Nov 2014, at 14:57, Alissa Cooper wrote: > As indicated, I will initiate the closing of the group this week. The mai= ling list will remain open. Thank you :) > Thanks to everyone for all your hard work over the years. >=20 > Ray, I hope we can get a celebration organised. I=92ve created a Doodle poll to check people=92s availability each evening = this week (except for Tuesday, when the social is on). http://doodle.com/hs59g2d3viidw5ha Suggestions for a venue would be most welcome - I only got here last night = and have no idea of what=92s around. Ray From nobody Mon Nov 10 16:28:33 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: geopriv@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: geopriv@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 239A91AC449 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 16:28:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.995 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.995 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CbKHRGYNS4nw for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 16:28:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.nominet.org.uk (mail.nominet.org.uk [213.248.242.48]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C85451A1AAD for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 16:28:28 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: s=main2.dk.nominet.selector; d=nominet.org.uk; c=nofws; q=dns; h=X-IronPort-AV:X-IPAS-Result:Received:Received:From:To: Subject:Thread-Topic:Thread-Index:Date:Message-ID: References:In-Reply-To:Accept-Language:Content-Language: X-MS-Has-Attach:X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:x-originating-ip: Content-Type:Content-ID:Content-Transfer-Encoding: MIME-Version; b=mKaUuoymvNEvAjS//BFRTaX1owpe7O/4cALIPCHdzPdC/H6Lm8ajSJOt J8HC8WeU1+ZTA/7Y9hTCBrAlZs0/Oz9oS3rkjBNAi2bghUQkAIU8l/XBA S9sUEWZjCIj9ZDuOwvjc6th+MfrRMbaLeiZjr2702zjRcq3uAAnAXEYXM wl/jEG/OpAwiUg+2g5RTaMLw3emK2Kk+S68yLlN5G/xSY1/Sij6UziOT0 C6RLICetATAR3LAxlSsFJgeElZdH4; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nominet.org.uk; i=@nominet.org.uk; q=dns/txt; s=main2.dkim.nominet.selector; t=1415665709; x=1447201709; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: content-id:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=6+WfUxZH+wCO9dhVLVi77ubaT8h4JckJIPmdmxFd+3c=; b=txIC86/cAWp68Zrl6O/vPlGL91eKqKwQRnuR/19eFYljkSzK4NxN4tNi oCl/bl0SU4aYCL7ueF4dveJnOBUMEpKRpxnbAxudknvGrOGZC6KQCwJ2U FcAG+sWUoh4isfy8+FXvtow4Fyd4Y+ebXiespYoXbyD/Hn7wrmlrscGB2 OiSUJIflMJjm3T9SQMn0rCwz85i/lSca729Bh3Dmrh+iLVKuPQV34fR9f DJV35m2uRewYYR/pqe9T2+ohn6Ct7; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,356,1413241200"; d="scan'208";a="14547319" X-IPAS-Result: AiwEACtXYVTV+MWRdGdsb2JhbABcgmt3WQTLfIdTAoEhFgEBAQEBARABCmGEAwEBAwFTKwsCAQhGMiUCBBOIOAoDCc0CAQoBAQEBARyQYjqDLYEeBZcEiRKYaWyBSIEDAQEB Received: from wds-exc2.okna.nominet.org.uk ([213.248.197.145]) by mx1.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 11 Nov 2014 00:28:27 +0000 Received: from WDS-EXC1.okna.nominet.org.uk ([fe80::1593:1394:a91f:8f5f]) by wds-exc2.okna.nominet.org.uk ([fe80::7577:eaca:5241:25d4%16]) with mapi id 14.03.0181.006; Tue, 11 Nov 2014 00:28:27 +0000 From: Ray Bellis To: geopriv mailing list Thread-Topic: {Sender Address Possibly Forged} Re: [Geopriv] Closing the group Thread-Index: AQHP+u73JhpgZq17K0i0eS4prCN1lpxZBZWAgAGRXgA= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 00:28:26 +0000 Message-ID: <6BD62D18-BEA8-4510-B4C8-18D076783A5D@nominet.org.uk> References: <20141024181157.10245.34144.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <6DB8FD3D-6277-481C-A68D-26F7D569DC55@nominet.org.uk> <249CBFAE-581C-410B-8459-15EB1E467E7E@cooperw.in> <90CD9DFD-815E-4972-A4E6-7A963189EDAB@cooperw.in> <099EEED9-1B87-44DD-B878-FDA683A7CA24@nominet.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <099EEED9-1B87-44DD-B878-FDA683A7CA24@nominet.org.uk> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.168.2.1] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/geopriv/Ybvcjq6eU0AS1v1paehalXYmCjw Subject: Re: [Geopriv] {Sender Address Possibly Forged} Re: Closing the group X-BeenThere: geopriv@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Geographic Location/Privacy List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 00:28:32 -0000 On 9 Nov 2014, at 14:31, Ray Bellis wrote: > I=92ve created a Doodle poll to check people=92s availability each evenin= g this week (except for Tuesday, when the social is on). >=20 > http://doodle.com/hs59g2d3viidw5ha >=20 > Suggestions for a venue would be most welcome - I only got here last nigh= t and have no idea of what=92s around. Thursday=92s the clear winner, so I=92m going call that as the preferred da= te. I=92ll leave the Doodle poll open just so people can add their names as com= ing or not coming. Suggests for a venue are still welcome! Ray From nobody Thu Nov 13 10:47:02 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: geopriv@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: geopriv@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 534891A9108 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 10:47:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.194 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.194 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t0_iPGLC8iy1 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 10:46:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx2.nominet.org.uk (mx2.nominet.org.uk [213.248.242.49]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B1551A90FE for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 10:46:57 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: s=main2.dk.nominet.selector; d=nominet.org.uk; c=nofws; q=dns; h=X-IronPort-AV:X-IPAS-Result:Received:Received:From:To: Subject:Thread-Topic:Thread-Index:Date:Message-ID: Accept-Language:Content-Language:X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:x-originating-ip:Content-Type: Content-ID:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; b=mOi8GzL5jPUgUghAGOP9h5r3piD1T6GEFuvo/v0kmRwDWx7zCZc1wbpL 1jbHBkdhUMItuAbUfhcVK7Cf4KD7JMHfXCM25l6XB+CS8D0aBhtbnbL3m 8E1s+rN35MqoE2ltrx9HmkKp6IOqbYmY6H+P7yxTTphHq23BFwh50daZW j3YGkxmTXvyBGUTEHih9DnohM6v+Om9cvPBcgie69XMu/kbZl8xEaLheI CcfyKKi+WPPzGW1Ao9yaElGgcdEZ6; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nominet.org.uk; i=@nominet.org.uk; q=dns/txt; s=main2.dkim.nominet.selector; t=1415904417; x=1447440417; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:content-id: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=T1vEOevdBkOVn0jDh9A3wCqyxqak6fkDn1G+Dg9OvAc=; b=L8TRxFJThqEEjB5FspHlMeUbUaT5t5ozQf7zXYZgtzIc6uvPVC0TBode qyBqcVi8Vw0UNAE+UN46bB1jNidZdcB7G6ziImbGqwC5KP7Bu2IkW8MuB r5xI4QIjT+iz0Ht3JH6YeNDQwDkzfUDxRwpkUCtxwHITWasm74NgAn6bk Csx6R+8QsjFMDvPujzaLN53IvTz+nV5MyEbtNEeZSa/LCzKaR48gDp0o9 dCCYwozpjguKwHb985xh8ix/02bQi; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,379,1413241200"; d="scan'208";a="13826045" X-IPAS-Result: AmcEAMP7ZFTV+MWRdGdsb2JhbABbgmuBVL1CjyKJABYBAQEBAQEQAQphhAlTOAGBACcEiFUDq0GlagEBAQEdlEiBHgW5FII1gQMBAQE Received: from wds-exc2.okna.nominet.org.uk ([213.248.197.145]) by mx2.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 13 Nov 2014 18:46:56 +0000 Received: from WDS-EXC1.okna.nominet.org.uk ([fe80::1593:1394:a91f:8f5f]) by wds-exc2.okna.nominet.org.uk ([fe80::7577:eaca:5241:25d4%16]) with mapi id 14.03.0181.006; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 18:46:55 +0000 From: Ray Bellis To: geopriv mailing list Thread-Topic: GeoPriv shutdown event Thread-Index: AQHP/3IxdpQRlyfuDEqPi0iNpXvM9A== Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 18:46:53 +0000 Message-ID: <4606913F-0FF5-4CAC-9EB8-DA03F4F2B7F8@nominet.org.uk> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.168.2.1] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/geopriv/XAkYm4fmfClAJzBWPgcU9VkxOsw Subject: [Geopriv] GeoPriv shutdown event X-BeenThere: geopriv@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Geographic Location/Privacy List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 18:47:00 -0000 We=92ve got 8 folks signed up for this evening. I propose we meet at the IETF registration desk at 20:20 with a view to lea= ving around 20:30. I=92ve had no proposals for a venue, so we=92re still stuck there. Is ther= e a preference for just drinks somewhere, or drinks with somewhere that can= do food too for those that want it, or a meal somewhere that also serves d= rinks? :) Ray From nobody Thu Nov 13 16:09:48 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: geopriv@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: geopriv@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 600321A009E for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 16:09:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Bb9PJwjkWYxb for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 16:09:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com (out3-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B25561A005E for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 16:09:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7F7E206C8 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 19:09:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from frontend2 ([10.202.2.161]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 13 Nov 2014 19:09:28 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cooperw.in; h= x-sasl-enc:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to :date:cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s= mesmtp; bh=J9jeXlYRb8PM/w7lWNyM2MccWMg=; b=rtvRF2Tp9H7FdQsf9Tetq abLj0tpgOvy0n3X+AiLijfGZKaY7MEjsIrdTTLVBaVXZKX0s21SiiB4Xq75o3Oo9 xvrFLccxqvPhhGHyKz/EytXp+ZdErKUlrqORJEn+BAZL4vh/fJ0sJ+OW55oi+Iil Vu4zK67qe9BtFOMfOMyOyA= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=x-sasl-enc:content-type:mime-version :subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding :message-id:references:to; s=smtpout; bh=J9jeXlYRb8PM/w7lWNyM2Mc cWMg=; b=dZAfcioQ/IawZTAiZ6pWAHVfi4O1+MHZnHCp6Mds+pyCtxiP9ANBgQ4 QUZIkjZfUEGNHnspK5od52p/KxOpuxGPs7X2PJx0OADiRzIS0lVO98xxD8m9U/+d DamW4lLchNT9xf4S99oRBOS7kfjulgu/74hdMGBlWYK08uzl6ooA= X-Sasl-enc: KMy0gjEez7LI7GHz4jIumycvdf1xva3GjPFKaX7VoZf9 1415923768 Received: from [10.21.71.15] (unknown [128.107.239.234]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id EB5BD6800DE; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 19:09:27 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Alissa Cooper In-Reply-To: <4606913F-0FF5-4CAC-9EB8-DA03F4F2B7F8@nominet.org.uk> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 14:09:40 -1000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <98E42CC0-55E9-4C0D-AD5C-19CB95617549@cooperw.in> References: <4606913F-0FF5-4CAC-9EB8-DA03F4F2B7F8@nominet.org.uk> To: Ray Bellis X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/geopriv/Q4VwrTlDZbY2M86u-QBYZ_jxmhw Cc: geopriv mailing list Subject: Re: [Geopriv] GeoPriv shutdown event X-BeenThere: geopriv@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Geographic Location/Privacy List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 00:09:39 -0000 I say we celebrate at the scotch bof. :) On Nov 13, 2014, at 8:46 AM, Ray Bellis = wrote: > We=92ve got 8 folks signed up for this evening. >=20 > I propose we meet at the IETF registration desk at 20:20 with a view = to leaving around 20:30. >=20 > I=92ve had no proposals for a venue, so we=92re still stuck there. Is = there a preference for just drinks somewhere, or drinks with somewhere = that can do food too for those that want it, or a meal somewhere that = also serves drinks? :) >=20 > Ray >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Geopriv mailing list > Geopriv@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv From nobody Thu Nov 13 22:39:20 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: geopriv@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: geopriv@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93FAF1A6FD0 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 22:39:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.894 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.894 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OhKTNRqIVboX for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 22:39:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx2.nominet.org.uk (mail.nominet.org.uk [213.248.242.49]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E34A31A1B6E for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 22:39:14 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: s=main2.dk.nominet.selector; d=nominet.org.uk; c=nofws; q=dns; h=X-IronPort-AV:X-IPAS-Result:Received:Received:From:To: Subject:Thread-Topic:Thread-Index:Date:Message-ID: References:In-Reply-To:Accept-Language:Content-Language: X-MS-Has-Attach:X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:x-originating-ip: Content-Type:Content-ID:Content-Transfer-Encoding: MIME-Version; b=TnfZ2/u+4kPRmbr5w4/wJwU9KBIBixuMdBcIl4fMrS7mucPQX46bW8Go FsiXwjHwiKUV6CzZZrYqBC7OjPxqBfwpfcJlMODKta2lp6BsE8K1m/H0t CJwYo5LnifDbIIMR7MgbJsYpWh/Mo9S8hSvsm4ulHs0tCKIC3qddkcltm niTt++j6Y07CIX/thmrm/d5hrXDyPJvMVjWSrL1cEVopHOB444vvPelSy UoPhgYtXchKFnDa88Q/bvxaEcM89G; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nominet.org.uk; i=@nominet.org.uk; q=dns/txt; s=main2.dkim.nominet.selector; t=1415947155; x=1447483155; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: content-id:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=tUFXqAhy09dHIgvOtfrPZKok7vdJTTCg338y76dLpJM=; b=S57LvJUNw8oiRymtpq2HZrxPMFH5rkPLBvsAjyo8p2RwvZgs33k6ekyE nEsXjgwtxt8ptzgiF6hCwMA0HVFE+rnjwupN7wyLGR3Jmad+QnUcQfHx0 aeFyhdLiOJvbREe4+dI26ghWFDHJrcgi1EEUtP/x7dT6uHAyElaWOgkOq ruFYH5yFOxzHxomnxofzoIdXEk0so9h1kd3WZ+wAcLcmNTGkjG4XZfTTZ i5kWNejMqI0Eu/SHn/2derdr3y5Vg; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,384,1413241200"; d="scan'208";a="13832650" X-IPAS-Result: AuUEAGmiZVTV+MWRdGdsb2JhbABbgmuBUQTUUAKBHhYBAQEBAQEQAQphhAMBAQMBUysLAgEIRjIlAgQTiDgKA9B2AQEIAQEBAQEBAQEBGZBvOoMtgR4FuUJtgUiBAwEBAQ Received: from wds-exc2.okna.nominet.org.uk ([213.248.197.145]) by mx2.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 14 Nov 2014 06:39:13 +0000 Received: from WDS-EXC1.okna.nominet.org.uk ([fe80::1593:1394:a91f:8f5f]) by wds-exc2.okna.nominet.org.uk ([fe80::7577:eaca:5241:25d4%16]) with mapi id 14.03.0181.006; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 06:39:13 +0000 From: Ray Bellis To: geopriv mailing list Thread-Topic: [Geopriv] GeoPriv shutdown event Thread-Index: AQHP/3IxdpQRlyfuDEqPi0iNpXvM9JxfrIIA Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 06:39:12 +0000 Message-ID: References: <4606913F-0FF5-4CAC-9EB8-DA03F4F2B7F8@nominet.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <4606913F-0FF5-4CAC-9EB8-DA03F4F2B7F8@nominet.org.uk> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.168.2.1] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/geopriv/zF4ETsIYKn-NvTkl69k1I6IVR7k Subject: Re: [Geopriv] GeoPriv shutdown event X-BeenThere: geopriv@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Geographic Location/Privacy List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 06:39:17 -0000 On 13 Nov 2014, at 08:46, Ray Bellis wrote: > We=92ve got 8 folks signed up for this evening. >=20 > I propose we meet at the IETF registration desk at 20:20 with a view to l= eaving around 20:30. >=20 > I=92ve had no proposals for a venue, so we=92re still stuck there. Is th= ere a preference for just drinks somewhere, or drinks with somewhere that c= an do food too for those that want it, or a meal somewhere that also serves= drinks? :) Those few of us who are at the registration desk are heading for the Irish = Rose Saloon, on Ena Road, about a 5 minute walk from the Hilton. If you get this in time we=92ll see you there! Ray From nobody Thu Nov 13 22:53:40 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: geopriv@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: geopriv@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 139BA1A6FFA for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 22:53:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.494 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.494 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VIqKrkYgDWDv for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 22:53:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from sea-mx-01.telecomsys.com (sea-mx-01.telecomsys.com [199.165.246.44]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E7591A6EE1 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 22:53:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from SEA-EXCAS-1.telecomsys.com (exc2010-local1.telecomsys.com [10.32.12.186]) by sea-mx-01.telecomsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id sAE6rUCa014811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Nov 2014 22:53:31 -0800 Received: from SEA-EXMB-2.telecomsys.com ([169.254.1.200]) by SEA-EXCAS-1.telecomsys.com ([10.32.12.186]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 22:53:30 -0800 From: Roger Marshall To: Ray Bellis Thread-Topic: [Geopriv] GeoPriv shutdown event Thread-Index: AQHP/3IxdpQRlyfuDEqPi0iNpXvM9JxfrIIAgAAD/0Y= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 06:53:30 +0000 Message-ID: <51F2BDFE-343C-4678-97BD-805E35B05C9C@telecomsys.com> References: <4606913F-0FF5-4CAC-9EB8-DA03F4F2B7F8@nominet.org.uk>, In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/geopriv/qQmOP9R1EY1ehW7Tg3yJDSPRMF4 Cc: geopriv mailing list Subject: Re: [Geopriv] GeoPriv shutdown event X-BeenThere: geopriv@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Geographic Location/Privacy List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 06:53:38 -0000 Change of venue (per Ray) - meetup at Cheesburger Waikiki (near Doubletree = -1blk N of Hilton) Sent from my mobile device On Nov 13, 2014, at 10:39 PM, "Ray Bellis" wrot= e: >=20 > On 13 Nov 2014, at 08:46, Ray Bellis wrote: >=20 >> We=92ve got 8 folks signed up for this evening. >>=20 >> I propose we meet at the IETF registration desk at 20:20 with a view to = leaving around 20:30. >>=20 >> I=92ve had no proposals for a venue, so we=92re still stuck there. Is t= here a preference for just drinks somewhere, or drinks with somewhere that = can do food too for those that want it, or a meal somewhere that also serve= s drinks? :) >=20 > Those few of us who are at the registration desk are heading for the Iris= h Rose Saloon, on Ena Road, about a 5 minute walk from the Hilton. >=20 > If you get this in time we=92ll see you there! >=20 > Ray >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Geopriv mailing list > Geopriv@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information contained in this message may be pr= ivileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, or res= ponsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, any review,= forwarding, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication o= r any attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this messa= ge in error, please notify the sender immediately, and delete it and all at= tachments from your computer and network. From nobody Tue Nov 25 09:32:29 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: geopriv@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: geopriv@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32BE51A7033 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 09:32:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uLYyEnlSLjg5 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 09:32:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from GB-IP-1.fcc.gov (gb-ip-1.fcc.gov [208.31.254.166]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52ACC1A3BA9 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 09:32:25 -0800 (PST) From: Henning Schulzrinne To: "geopriv@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: New indoor location - standards needed Thread-Index: AdAI1SI+vdo48plUSDyam0bNDaGeVg== Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 17:32:24 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/geopriv/M5R9Cra2a5j_V400y00Z5feVQw8 Subject: [Geopriv] New indoor location - standards needed X-BeenThere: geopriv@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Geographic Location/Privacy List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 17:32:28 -0000 See http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=3D60000986637 In particular, the need for standards is called out in two areas: - for the National Emergency Address Database (NEAD) - for delivery of barometric pressure information to obtain z-axis (altitud= e) information. The FCC is not a party to the agreement. It seems at least plausible that e= xisting GEOPRIV work, such as HELD, or RFC 7105, can be extended to meet th= ose needs. I'd appreciate hearing opinions on technical options from the WG= . Henning From nobody Tue Nov 25 09:37:54 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: geopriv@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: geopriv@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67FC51A6EE2 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 09:37:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.811 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.811 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r3YHCj9cjQMP for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 09:37:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from GB-IP-2.fcc.gov (gb-ip-2.fcc.gov [208.31.254.167]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37E3D1A0368 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 09:37:49 -0800 (PST) From: Henning Schulzrinne To: "geopriv@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Follow-up on indoor location issue Thread-Index: AdAI1nqwT8rWMtyzRwusIGoCYzYRNg== Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 17:37:26 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/geopriv/d1g7ZlGtlNCJGzCeUr8q4NYk2tg Subject: [Geopriv] Follow-up on indoor location issue X-BeenThere: geopriv@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Geographic Location/Privacy List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 17:37:51 -0000 The FCC has put out the indoor location document for public comments. As al= ways, engineering-focused comments are very welcome. http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2014/db1120/DA-14-1= 680A1.pdf You do not have to be a lawyer (or US resident) to comment. Note that the c= omment deadline is soon (Dec. 10). Henning From nobody Tue Nov 25 10:52:08 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: geopriv@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: geopriv@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A2E91ACECF for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:51:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.433 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.433 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yyRicwPUgI6z for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:51:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx0b-0018ba01.pphosted.com (mx0b-0018ba01.pphosted.com [67.231.157.90]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC4DC1A877A for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:51:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0049401.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0049401.ppops.net-0018ba01. 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2014 11:44:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.144.19 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 11:44:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <8ECBE96A-4043-4EFE-B21A-3E28F403A3A5@neustar.biz> References: <8ECBE96A-4043-4EFE-B21A-3E28F403A3A5@neustar.biz> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 14:44:17 -0500 Message-ID: From: Henning G Schulzrinne To: "Rosen, Brian" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2d0b2fa560c0508b4225f X-No-Spam-Score: Local X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 128.59.29.6 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/geopriv/XLXPdD3RalMXKz8OTumIKcBtCh4 Cc: "geopriv@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Geopriv] New indoor location - standards needed X-BeenThere: geopriv@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Geographic Location/Privacy List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:44:24 -0000 --001a11c2d0b2fa560c0508b4225f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For related work on the second topic, see Finding 9-1-1 Callers in Tall Buildings Wonsang Song, Jae Woo Lee, Byung Suk Lee, Henning Schulzrinne https://mice.cs.columbia.edu/getTechreport.php?techreportID=3D1525&format= =3Dpdf& *IEEE WoWMoM '14*. Sydney, Australia, June 2014. and Improving the Vertical Accuracy of Indoor Positioning for Emergency Communication https://mice.cs.columbia.edu/getTechreport.php?techreportID=3D1525&format= =3Dpdf& For one evaluation of barometric sensing, see Appendix A in Wonsang's thesis: http://academiccommons.columbia.edu/catalog/ac:175653 Henning On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Rosen, Brian wrote: > > > I think working on the barometric pressure thing would be fascinating, an= d > I think we=E2=80=99re probably at least as qualified to do the work as an= yone > else. Perhaps we could get the OGC to work on in with us. I think of th= at > as combining the existing elevation datasets with building floor height > data to produce a floor number from the barometric data. I=E2=80=99d gue= ss some > compensation from weather data would be needed. Crowdsourcing might be > interesting, but what would we use to actually get the right data (how do= es > the source know/enter floor data?) Hah - sound analysis on an elevator > ride! Listen for the dings and floor announcements. Watching steps and > pressure is probably a decent way to figure out what floor you are on if > you walk up a stairway. > > Brian > > > > On Nov 25, 2014, at 12:32 PM, Henning Schulzrinne < > Henning.Schulzrinne@fcc.gov> wrote: > > > > See > > > > http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=3D60000986637 > > > > In particular, the need for standards is called out in two areas: > > > > - for the National Emergency Address Database (NEAD) > > > > - for delivery of barometric pressure information to obtain z-axis > (altitude) information. > > > > The FCC is not a party to the agreement. It seems at least plausible > that existing GEOPRIV work, such as HELD, or RFC 7105, can be extended to > meet those needs. I'd appreciate hearing opinions on technical options fr= om > the WG. > > > > Henning > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Geopriv mailing list > > Geopriv@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv > > _______________________________________________ > Geopriv mailing list > Geopriv@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv > --001a11c2d0b2fa560c0508b4225f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For related work on the second topic, see

Finding 9-1-1 Callers in Tall Buildings
Wonsang Song, = Jae Woo Lee, Byung Suk Lee, Henning Schulzrinne

<= /div>
IEEE WoWMoM '14.= Sydney, Australia, June 2014.=C2=A0

and

Improvin= g the Vertical Accuracy of Indoor Positioning for Emergency Communication

For one evaluation of barometric sensing, see Appendix A in Wonsang'= ;s thesis:


Henning


On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Rosen, Brian <Brian.Ros= en@neustar.biz> wrote:


I think working on the barometric pressure thing would be fascinating, and = I think we=E2=80=99re probably at least as qualified to do the work as anyo= ne else.=C2=A0 Perhaps we could get the OGC to work on in with us.=C2=A0 I = think of that as combining the existing elevation datasets with building fl= oor height data to produce a floor number from the barometric data.=C2=A0 I= =E2=80=99d guess some compensation from weather data would be needed.=C2=A0= =C2=A0Crowdsourcing might be interesting, but what would we use to actuall= y get the right data (how does the source know/enter floor data?)=C2=A0 Hah= - sound analysis on an elevator ride!=C2=A0 Listen for the dings and floor= announcements.=C2=A0 Watching steps and pressure is probably a decent way = to figure out what floor you are on if you walk up a stairway.

Brian


> On Nov 25, 2014, at 12:32 PM, Henning Schulzrinne <Henning.Schulzrinne@fcc.gov> wrote: >
> See
>
> http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=3D60000986637=
>
> In particular, the need for standards is called out in two areas:
>
> - for the National Emergency Address Database (NEAD)
>
> - for delivery of barometric pressure information to obtain z-axis (al= titude) information.
>
> The FCC is not a party to the agreement. It seems at least plausible t= hat existing GEOPRIV work, such as HELD, or RFC 7105, can be extended to me= et those needs. I'd appreciate hearing opinions on technical options fr= om the WG.
>
> Henning
>
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ESMTPS id 260511A0007 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 01:01:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by sainfoin.extra.cea.fr (8.14.2/8.14.2/CEAnet-Internet-out-2.3) with ESMTP id sAQ912k9003635 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 10:01:02 +0100 Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 1309120431E for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 10:01:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from muguet1.intra.cea.fr (muguet1.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.6]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A2792027F6 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 10:01:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (is010446-4.intra.cea.fr [10.8.33.116]) by muguet1.intra.cea.fr (8.13.8/8.13.8/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.2) with ESMTP id sAQ90cnl025771 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 10:01:01 +0100 Message-ID: <547596B7.3070707@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 10:00:39 +0100 From: Alexandru Petrescu User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: geopriv@ietf.org References: <8ECBE96A-4043-4EFE-B21A-3E28F403A3A5@neustar.biz> In-Reply-To: <8ECBE96A-4043-4EFE-B21A-3E28F403A3A5@neustar.biz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/geopriv/h4Rhq7wXDePLNr5QjZJD7byhp14 Subject: Re: [Geopriv] New indoor location - standards needed X-BeenThere: geopriv@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Geographic Location/Privacy List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 09:01:07 -0000 Le 25/11/2014 19:51, Rosen, Brian a écrit : [...] > I think working on the barometric pressure thing would be > fascinating, and I think we’re probably at least as qualified to do > the work as anyone else. Perhaps we could get the OGC to work on in > with us. I think of that as combining the existing elevation > datasets with building floor height data to produce a floor number > from the barometric data. I’d guess some compensation from weather > data would be needed. Certainly yes - compensation from weather data is needed, as a fixed reference pressure level at a given point does not exist - it varies with weather. On another hand, with 'sealed' buildings the pressure is independent from weather _and_ altitude (pretty much as the pressure in a flying airplane says on-ground). A connection to the HVAC should be made. Af447 experience taught one should worry when pressure sensors are flawed by freeze. Alex > Crowdsourcing might be interesting, but what > would we use to actually get the right data (how does the source > know/enter floor data?) Hah - sound analysis on an elevator ride! > Listen for the dings and floor announcements. Watching steps and > pressure is probably a decent way to figure out what floor you are on > if you walk up a stairway. > > Brian > > >> On Nov 25, 2014, at 12:32 PM, Henning Schulzrinne >> wrote: >> >> See >> >> http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=60000986637 >> >> In particular, the need for standards is called out in two areas: >> >> - for the National Emergency Address Database (NEAD) >> >> - for delivery of barometric pressure information to obtain z-axis >> (altitude) information. >> >> The FCC is not a party to the agreement. It seems at least >> plausible that existing GEOPRIV work, such as HELD, or RFC 7105, >> can be extended to meet those needs. I'd appreciate hearing >> opinions on technical options from the WG. >> >> Henning >> >> _______________________________________________ Geopriv mailing >> list Geopriv@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv > > _______________________________________________ Geopriv mailing list > Geopriv@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv >