From nobody Wed Jul 8 19:40:16 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-languages@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-languages@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE7673A0CCE for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2020 19:40:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.003 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.003 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EwBsXmMZomdW for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2020 19:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mork.alvestrand.no (mork.alvestrand.no [158.38.152.117]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE1643A0CC0 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2020 19:40:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mork.alvestrand.no (Postfix) id E4F657C5957; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 04:40:08 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: ietf-languages@alvestrand.no X-Comment: SPF skipped for whitelisted relay - client-ip=192.0.46.73; helo=pechora3.dc.icann.org; envelope-from=doug@ewellic.org; receiver=ietf-languages@alvestrand.no Received: from pechora3.dc.icann.org (pechora3.icann.org [192.0.46.73]) by mork.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E0A87C5956 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 04:40:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from p3plsmtpa09-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pechora3.dc.icann.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1F7370063E2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 02:40:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from DESKTOPLPOB1E4 ([73.229.14.229]) by :SMTPAUTH: with ESMTPSA id tMTPjoYPSsd6ntMTQjZuaF; Wed, 08 Jul 2020 19:39:44 -0700 X-CMAE-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=fbjTNHYF c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=9XGd8Ajh92evfb2NHZFWmw==:117 a=9XGd8Ajh92evfb2NHZFWmw==:17 a=DAwyPP_o2Byb1YXLmDAA:9 a=nORFd0-XAAAA:8 a=R9T1brekYN2yWaGrigwA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=FHZDIpWm5odSiE2d:21 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=AYkXoqVYie-NGRFAsbO8:22 X-SECURESERVER-ACCT: doug@ewellic.org From: "Doug Ewell" To: Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 20:39:44 -0600 Message-ID: <000201d6559a$34c61690$9e5243b0$@ewellic.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01D65567.EA2D7B50" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AdZVlViHdQfxoR1vTV6jgD+LB+ESVg== Content-Language: en-us X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfL3YyitO8KsNgZMwQZdzTl96ZRA3o9RUmtuCn64Xu6XSpFwVipje1GMtmLpmtNl/elUKWLar+V6Sl1dGLrAKv9tEhwGwn6952aUKJ0mNFTijaHOa+1ep lfNyor/GsTaychnsXCGl0Kmz/zUtfQK5f3ZeP3w/qgbEtmCPO+Mflfx7 X-Greylist: Sender DNS name whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (pechora3.dc.icann.org [0.0.0.0]); Thu, 09 Jul 2020 02:40:04 +0000 (UTC) Archived-At: Subject: [Ietf-languages] Status update on current requests X-BeenThere: ietf-languages@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2020 02:40:13 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01D65567.EA2D7B50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here is an update on the current set of LSR requests by Leon Derczynski. = Some time has passed and it=E2=80=99s worth getting them resolved. =EF=BF=BD 1. Variant subtag =E2=80=98synnejyl=E2=80=99 (Synnejysk; South Jutish) =EF=BF=BD Leon posted the original registration form on June 18; a corrected = registration form and a proposed record were posted later that day. =EF=BF=BD There are several Danish dialects, but this is the only one for which a = variant is currently being requested. Michael suggested contacting Dansk = Sprogn=C3=A6vn, the regulatory body for Danish, for guidance on this; = Leon recommended a specific contact person at Dansk Sprogn=C3=A6vn, = Peter Juel Henrichsen. I assume these wheels have been set in motion; = the request appears to be stagnant without some sort of verdict. =EF=BF=BD 2. Variant subtag =E2=80=98tunumiit=E2=80=99 (Tunumiisiut; East = Greenlandic; =C3=98stgr=C3=B8nlandsk) =EF=BF=BD Leon proposed this subtag on June 21. It looks fine to me from a = clerical standpoint (except possibly for the Description issue noted = below) and I don=E2=80=99t think anyone has objected to the substance of = the request. It does need a proposed record to be posted to the list, = which extends the review period another week; I will post that = separately. =EF=BF=BD Section 6, at the end of the registration form, has this note: =EF=BF=BD =E2=80=9CThe English name and Danish name (the region in which the = language is spoken being part of Denmark) are given as second and third = descriptions.=E2=80=9D =EF=BF=BD Three Description fields that are all basically the primary name of the = dialect in three different languages are not unheard of, but that would = have to be regarded as kind of the limit. RFC 5646, section 3.1.5 says, = =E2=80=9CThey [Description fields] are not intended [...] to provide all = possible alternate names or designations,=E2=80=9D and adds, = =E2=80=9CLocalization or translation of language tag and subtag = descriptions is out of scope of this document.=E2=80=9D =EF=BF=BD In this case, the three names are probably OK because dual naming in = Danish and Greenlandic is common in Greenland. The English name is a = straight translation of the Danish and is probably harmless, but it = should be regarded as optional if the dialect is not commonly known by = that name. =EF=BF=BD This is a judgment call. The main goal is to avoid translating names = into a wide range of languages (e.g. = German/deutsch/allemand/tedesco/=D0=BD=D0=B5=D0=BC=D0=B5=D1=86=D0=BA=D0=B8= =D0=B9/=E5=BE=B7=E8=AF=AD) and that is clearly not being attempted here. = In the case of =E2=80=98synnejyl=E2=80=99 I did suggest that Leon add = =E2=80=9CSouth Jutish=E2=80=9D because his post started with = =E2=80=9CFor variant: South Jutish=E2=80=9D, implying the English name = is in common use. =EF=BF=BD 3. Language subtag =E2=80=98inu=E2=80=99 (Inuktun; Avanersuarmiutut; = Nordgr=C3=B8nlandsk) =EF=BF=BD This registration form was also posted on June 21. =EF=BF=BD All are in agreement that BCP 47 requires that requests for language = subtags be made to ISO 639-3/RA first, and that if such a request is = denied, the burden of evidence that ISO was wrong and this group should = register the language subtag anyway will be quite high. Leon has stated = he will make the request to the RA for this language. =EF=BF=BD -- Doug Ewell | Thornton, CO, US | ewellic.org =EF=BF=BD ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01D65567.EA2D7B50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Here is an update on the current set of LSR = requests by Leon Derczynski. Some time has passed and it=E2=80=99s worth = getting them resolved.

 

1. = Variant subtag =E2=80=98synnejyl=E2=80=99 (Synnejysk; South = Jutish)

 

Leon posted the original registration form on June = 18; a corrected registration form and a proposed record were posted = later that day.

 

There = are several Danish dialects, but this is the only one for which a = variant is currently being requested. Michael suggested contacting Dansk = Sprogn=C3=A6vn, the regulatory body for Danish, for guidance on this; = Leon recommended a specific contact person at Dansk Sprogn=C3=A6vn, = Peter Juel Henrichsen. I assume these wheels have been set in motion; = the request appears to be stagnant without some sort of = verdict.

 

2. Variant subtag =E2=80=98tunumiit=E2=80=99 = (Tunumiisiut; East Greenlandic; = =C3=98stgr=C3=B8nlandsk)

 

Leon = proposed this subtag on June 21. It looks fine to me from a clerical = standpoint (except possibly for the Description issue noted below) and I = don=E2=80=99t think anyone has objected to the substance of the request. = It does need a proposed record to be posted to the list, which extends = the review period another week; I will post that = separately.

 

Section 6, at the end of the registration form, has = this note:

 

=E2=80=9CThe English name and Danish name (the = region in which the language is spoken being part of Denmark) are given = as second and third descriptions.=E2=80=9D

 

Three = Description fields that are all basically the primary name of the = dialect in three different languages are not unheard of, but that would = have to be regarded as kind of the limit. RFC 5646, section 3.1.5 says, = =E2=80=9CThey [Description fields] are not intended [...] to provide all = possible alternate names or designations,=E2=80=9D and adds, = =E2=80=9CLocalization or translation of language tag and subtag = descriptions is out of scope of this document.=E2=80=9D

 

In = this case, the three names are probably OK because dual naming in Danish = and Greenlandic is common in Greenland. The English name is a straight = translation of the Danish and is probably harmless, but it should be = regarded as optional if the dialect is not commonly known by that = name.

 

This is a judgment call. The main goal is to avoid = translating names into a wide range of languages (e.g. = German/deutsch/allemand/tedesco/=D0=BD=D0=B5=D0=BC=D0=B5=D1=86=D0=BA=D0=B8= =D0=B9/=E5=BE=B7=E8=AF=AD) = and that is clearly not being attempted here. In the case of = =E2=80=98synnejyl=E2=80=99 I did suggest that Leon add =E2=80=9CSouth = Jutish=E2=80=9D because his post started with =E2=80=9CFor variant: = South Jutish=E2=80=9D, implying the English name is in common = use.

 

3. Language subtag =E2=80=98inu=E2=80=99 (Inuktun; = Avanersuarmiutut; Nordgr=C3=B8nlandsk)

 

This = registration form was also posted on June 21.

 

All = are in agreement that BCP 47 requires that requests for language subtags = be made to ISO 639-3/RA first, and that if such a request is denied, the = burden of evidence that ISO was wrong and this group should register the = language subtag anyway will be quite high. Leon has stated he will make = the request to the RA for this language.

 

--

Doug Ewell = | Thornton, CO, US | ewellic.org

 

------=_NextPart_000_0003_01D65567.EA2D7B50-- From nobody Wed Jul 8 19:44:12 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-languages@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-languages@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 335B63A0CF2 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2020 19:44:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NMk-TNxyBCh9 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2020 19:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mork.alvestrand.no (mork.alvestrand.no [IPv6:2001:700:1:2::117]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F3093A0CEF for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2020 19:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mork.alvestrand.no (Postfix) id CB2677C5957; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 04:44:06 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: ietf-languages@alvestrand.no X-Comment: SPF skipped for whitelisted relay - client-ip=192.0.33.71; helo=pechora1.lax.icann.org; envelope-from=doug@ewellic.org; receiver=ietf-languages@alvestrand.no Received: from pechora1.lax.icann.org (pechora1.icann.org [192.0.33.71]) by mork.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9543D7C5956 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 04:44:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from p3plsmtpa09-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pechora1.lax.icann.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 667F970037FF for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 02:44:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from DESKTOPLPOB1E4 ([73.229.14.229]) by :SMTPAUTH: with ESMTPSA id tMXGjGjEXRvLRtMXGj0zRG; Wed, 08 Jul 2020 19:43:42 -0700 X-CMAE-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=EOF4LGRC c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=9XGd8Ajh92evfb2NHZFWmw==:117 a=9XGd8Ajh92evfb2NHZFWmw==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=nORFd0-XAAAA:8 a=GV-OIxoIepnwKbjoKX4A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=AYkXoqVYie-NGRFAsbO8:22 X-SECURESERVER-ACCT: doug@ewellic.org From: "Doug Ewell" To: Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 20:43:42 -0600 Message-ID: <000701d6559a$c2d03d80$4870b880$@ewellic.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AdZVml8YG9lNSLvtQHSlPgUcb1VbmA== Content-Language: en-us X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfIWONGdjeehiDts9X28lE4FBS3OgO7Yugjjhpcp/meRRmTf/XBuWGowoDGgtpHVwZaANN/y9IkpNq1he6pAqmjr8evLUBA4i6K/u8D6/NoQzz7JY1GCP tCog9gO+hKHW4OWaUP1tKKQ8f4Jq4KVNPxjx/jFUZKK4OY6ZEvWwPWSG X-Greylist: Sender DNS name whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (pechora1.lax.icann.org [0.0.0.0]); Thu, 09 Jul 2020 02:44:04 +0000 (UTC) Archived-At: Subject: [Ietf-languages] Proposed record for 'tunumiit' X-BeenThere: ietf-languages@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2020 02:44:10 -0000 Here is a proposed record for the variant subtag 'tunumiit' requested by = Leon Derczynski. This is required to be posted to the list for at least = the final week of the review period. The registration form was posted on = June 21, two and a half weeks ago, so this extends the review period = through Wednesday, July 15 AoE. -- LANGUAGE SUBTAG MODIFICATION File-Date: 20xx-xx-xx %% Type: variant Subtag: tunumiit Description: Tunumiisiut Description: East Greenlandic Description: =C3=98stgr=C3=B8nlandsk Added: 20xx-xx-xx Prefix: kl Comments: Also known as Tunumiit oraasiat %% -- Doug Ewell | Thornton, CO, US | ewellic.org From nobody Fri Jul 10 03:02:40 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-languages@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-languages@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C97E33A0602 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2020 03:02:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.281 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.281 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=evertype.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l9iiMrg6z39A for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2020 03:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mork.alvestrand.no (mork.alvestrand.no [158.38.152.117]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D78FB3A05AA for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2020 03:02:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mork.alvestrand.no (Postfix) id C4D367C4461; Fri, 10 Jul 2020 12:02:32 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: ietf-languages@alvestrand.no X-Comment: SPF skipped for whitelisted relay - client-ip=192.0.33.71; helo=pechora1.lax.icann.org; envelope-from=everson@evertype.com; receiver=ietf-languages@alvestrand.no Received: from pechora1.lax.icann.org (pechora1.icann.org [192.0.33.71]) by mork.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8AA4A7C43EE for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2020 12:02:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from scandium.cloudhosting.co.uk (scandium.cloudhosting.co.uk [77.72.0.158]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pechora1.lax.icann.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 92AD67000359 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2020 10:02:28 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=evertype.com; s=default; h=Message-Id:In-Reply-To:To:References:Date: Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:From:Sender: Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help: List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=ds+NcfpQCR1bQ9658fI2eTP7cikISVeNO5FSmLmTg5Q=; b=ZOoNLcYI84+c4/fJ3MpQWkgaGt MTffyE3LuHFM3N3XKn74iSz0WbKc8YNbdFuIN6grWOpbHjMv+bvIIn/th74Dv5V72Sxnddn0VBTi3 tHxLF8KpbjgCygjJydIJyzPed; Received: from cpc139632-dund15-2-0-cust239.16-4.cable.virginm.net ([92.237.223.240]:53727 helo=[192.168.0.17]) by scandium.cloudhosting.co.uk with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1jtpr5-00H67H-AT for ietf-languages@iana.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2020 11:02:07 +0100 From: Michael Everson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.14\)) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 11:02:06 +0100 References: <000201d6559a$34c61690$9e5243b0$@ewellic.org> To: ietflang IETF Languages Discussion In-Reply-To: <000201d6559a$34c61690$9e5243b0$@ewellic.org> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.14) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - scandium.cloudhosting.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - iana.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - evertype.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: scandium.cloudhosting.co.uk: authenticated_id: everson@evertype.com X-Authenticated-Sender: scandium.cloudhosting.co.uk: everson@evertype.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-languages] Status update on current requests X-BeenThere: ietf-languages@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 10:02:39 -0000 1. Variant subtag =E2=80=98synnejyl=E2=80=99 (Synnejysk; South Jutish) > =20 > Leon posted the original registration form on June 18; a corrected = registration form and a proposed record were posted later that day. > =20 > There are several Danish dialects, but this is the only one for which = a variant is currently being requested. Michael suggested contacting = Dansk Sprogn=C3=A6vn, the regulatory body for Danish, for guidance on = this; Leon recommended a specific contact person at Dansk Sprogn=C3=A6vn, = Peter Juel Henrichsen. I assume these wheels have been set in motion; = the request appears to be stagnant without some sort of verdict. Rejecting for the time being as discussion has begun with experts in = Denmark. > 2. Variant subtag =E2=80=98tunumiit=E2=80=99 (Tunumiisiut; East = Greenlandic; =C3=98stgr=C3=B8nlandsk) >=20 > =E2=80=9CThe English name and Danish name (the region in which the = language is spoken being part of Denmark) are given as second and third = descriptions.=E2=80=9D I don=E2=80=99t object to this. > 3. Language subtag =E2=80=98inu=E2=80=99 (Inuktun; Avanersuarmiutut; = Nordgr=C3=B8nlandsk) > =20 > This registration form was also posted on June 21. > =20 > All are in agreement that BCP 47 requires that requests for language = subtags be made to ISO 639-3/RA first, and that if such a request is = denied, the burden of evidence that ISO was wrong and this group should = register the language subtag anyway will be quite high. Leon has stated = he will make the request to the RA for this language. Yes. 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It would be very easy to confuse '0029' with '029' (Caribbean). What say you all? John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org A poetical purist named Cowan [that's me] Once put the rest of us dowan. [on xml-dev] "Your verse would be sweeter / If it only had metre And rhymes that didn't force me to frowan." [overpacked line!] --Michael Kay --00000000000076c27505ab8b871c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
While BCP 47 does not forbid 4-digit variant subtags that = begin with 0, I am hereby suggesting to the Tyrant and his Good Right Arm t= hat such tags never be registered.=C2=A0 It would be very easy to confuse &= #39;0029' with '029' (Caribbean).

What say y= ou all?


John Cowan =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0http://vrici= .lojban.org/~cowan =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0cowan@ccil.org
A poetical purist named Cowan =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 [that's me]
Once pu= t the rest of us dowan. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0[on xml-dev]
"Your verse would be sweeter / If it only= had metre
And rhymes that didn't force me to frowan." =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 [overpacked line!] --Michael Kay

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Wed, 29 Jul 2020 05:08:45 +0000 (UTC) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-languages] Recommendation not to register variant subtags of the form 0nnn X-BeenThere: ietf-languages@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 05:08:53 -0000 On 29/07/2020 11:43, John Cowan wrote: > While BCP 47 does not forbid 4-digit variant subtags that begin with 0, I > am hereby suggesting to the Tyrant and his Good Right Arm that such tags > never be registered. It would be very easy to confuse '0029' with '029' > (Caribbean). > > What say you all? Sounds good. Has such a case actually come up? Regards, Martin. > > John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org > A poetical purist named Cowan [that's me] > Once put the rest of us dowan. [on xml-dev] > "Your verse would be sweeter / If it only had metre > And rhymes that didn't force me to frowan." [overpacked line!] > --Michael Kay From nobody Wed Jul 29 08:09:51 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-languages@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-languages@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27EB53A0BA1 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 08:09:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.667 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.667 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=ccil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kSIpl7TJ6bCQ for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 08:09:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mork.alvestrand.no (mork.alvestrand.no [IPv6:2001:700:1:2::117]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2FCE33A0B32 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 08:09:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mork.alvestrand.no (Postfix) id 970917C5B2D; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 17:09:38 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: ietf-languages@alvestrand.no X-Comment: SPF skipped for whitelisted relay - client-ip=192.0.46.73; helo=pechora3.dc.icann.org; envelope-from=cowan@ccil.org; receiver=ietf-languages@alvestrand.no Received: from pechora3.dc.icann.org (pechora3.icann.org [192.0.46.73]) by mork.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 591B17C5B26 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 17:09:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail-qt1-x834.google.com (mail-qt1-x834.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::834]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pechora3.dc.icann.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F59670063CE for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 15:09:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qt1-x834.google.com with SMTP id t23so14731640qto.3 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 08:09:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=FmU+EzvjWtbGUzZK7zuBCJIKa3fhMhVXaQ4kW9+TIdg=; b=A4ym8f2qNWKEKOvuRO6HbC9w9r8M4nIGgkfgUm+oMRxnijV8Tb4NXae7VSgoZvVPlW f99sONFD9lPnpQPO0PCY++yh+1ELUGBnSoCoxUJivXmo114B8Vydo+Spco2RBKAYfZd6 xDze9s8LNORbjn5Ghj7XfbiCqgkBoUVko4GDq0x65D75DF8goCQiaOp1hdT+tKDRSyes 1OyAhGId3AniPWrPkhHicDMk0Ar7Of+0UKe2qsFkdvyeg+7yjn550SA5sct8jo6HJuMx +lYhpj+vIRa5HbAQNzSJt2fg2K54EgYcXx6n3NntIXfKzC0YiO4baQBg95R1acnpHGpe QOeg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=FmU+EzvjWtbGUzZK7zuBCJIKa3fhMhVXaQ4kW9+TIdg=; b=CKUT/cyYC3hWLKT0RijwzlKStidMsr1zM+fQ4ZrYQwEAvIUhw4vXmUce/Bd7FasFKO USpbNCbi+4tbYAVImYP9T+hSGMxQrh8XO636k5l4gyo1uHyAYQQjCA+T7RLBdpghZi9u yxtygImEaEHuDqg4YY9eSMXETtoHD+2dHgLhvLxBlo4VbiZDYxGrXvwsH6PBrVDQmZze WlTL+q1rK0ECU2mnWB89gX4cMJomZRsLMkfcn5+TwETDNFg6UXvJhF0UX4L6wFP8M+XJ UBbu0LZRwOnMY2oXrm8OOPq/qtfQ+xK349qBVrOA7nOGTuEx9iFsfM/zK6EZFjiGvzg7 wbpQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532A15b7dvql8mhtRNErknLCnLwqOOcY4BHYFSc7/WOFRf8Zt1S/ /8oY2razi746+vlB8lW8tnwdyYx1s3VejsmSMzR5iHydkqQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJygEMBJfsSlFN/WnYbFnKO+TmpfISv1+lExLSTEMJX0vkHCBbCFj4j/VJ8aB/oPCzZsKe356B96YFposfn1K5Y= X-Received: by 2002:aed:2f87:: with SMTP id m7mr31776212qtd.56.1596035375501; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 08:09:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: John Cowan Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 11:09:24 -0400 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Martin_J=2E_D=C3=BCrst?= Cc: IETF Languages Discussion Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000009b36b205ab95f1c9" X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (pechora3.dc.icann.org [0.0.0.0]); Wed, 29 Jul 2020 15:09:36 +0000 (UTC) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-languages] Recommendation not to register variant subtags of the form 0nnn X-BeenThere: ietf-languages@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 15:09:43 -0000 --0000000000009b36b205ab95f1c9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't think so. But I want to avoid in such contexts as spreadsheets the "U.S. postal code problem", whereby the code 07104 becomes 7104 because Excel thinks it's a number rather than a string of digits. On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 1:08 AM Martin J. D=C3=BCrst wrote: > > > On 29/07/2020 11:43, John Cowan wrote: > > While BCP 47 does not forbid 4-digit variant subtags that begin with 0,= I > > am hereby suggesting to the Tyrant and his Good Right Arm that such tag= s > > never be registered. It would be very easy to confuse '0029' with '029= ' > > (Caribbean). > > > > What say you all? > > Sounds good. Has such a case actually come up? > > Regards, Martin. > > > > > John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.or= g > > A poetical purist named Cowan [that's me] > > Once put the rest of us dowan. [on xml-dev] > > "Your verse would be sweeter / If it only had metre > > And rhymes that didn't force me to frowan." [overpacked line!] > > --Michael Kay > > --0000000000009b36b205ab95f1c9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I don't think so.=C2=A0 But I want to avoid in such co= ntexts as spreadsheets the "U.S. postal code problem", whereby th= e code 07104 becomes 7104 because Excel thinks it's a number rather tha= n a string of digits.

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 1:08 AM Martin J. D=C3=BCrst &= lt;duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>= wrote:


On 29/07/2020 11:43, John Cowan wrote:
> While BCP 47 does not forbid 4-digit variant subtags that begin with 0= , I
> am hereby suggesting to the Tyrant and his Good Right Arm that such ta= gs
> never be registered.=C2=A0 It would be very easy to confuse '0029&= #39; with '029'
> (Caribbean).
>
> What say you all?

Sounds good. Has such a case actually come up?

Regards,=C2=A0 =C2=A0Martin.

>
> John Cowan=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 http://vrici.lojban.= org/~cowan=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 cowan@ccil.org
> A poetical purist named Cowan=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[that's me]
> Once put the rest of us dowan.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 [on xml-dev]
> "Your verse would be sweeter / If it only had metre
> And rhymes that didn't force me to frowan."=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0[overpacked line!]
> --Michael Kay

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milter-greylist-4.6.2 (pechora4.lax.icann.org [0.0.0.0]); Wed, 29 Jul 2020 16:26:20 +0000 (UTC) Archived-At: Subject: [Ietf-languages] Fwd: Recommendation not to register variant subtags of the form 0nnn X-BeenThere: ietf-languages@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 16:26:43 -0000 --000000000000dea27c05ab970238 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: John Cowan Date: Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [Ietf-languages] Recommendation not to register variant subtags of the form 0nnn To: Phillips, Addison On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 11:48 AM Phillips, Addison wrote: That would not happen with a 4-digit variant starting with a digit: they > would always come at the end of a language tag. > It's true there is no actual ambiguity: 004 is always going to be a region and 0004 is always going to be a variant, and so "qq-004" is Cuecue as used in Africa, whereas "qq-0004" is some variant of Cuecue, not necessarily date-based. But human beings could easily make a mistake, because we are used to the idea that leading zeros have no semantic meaning in a number. > I tend to agree that we should avoid confusables and thus should be > careful not to register such subtags just generally. But never is a long > time and I could see someone (attempting to) register e.g. Gregorian year > based subtags for well-attested years pre-1000, e.g. =E2=80=9Car-0661=E2= =80=9D (or maybe > =E2=80=9Car-0072=E2=80=9D ;-)) > I'd go with ar-ce661 and ar-ce72 in those cases. When speaking or writing, I would always use a phrase like "the year 72" even when I wouldn't bother with "the year 1958". > As I said, I agree in general principle, but wouldn=E2=80=99t we discuss= it in > specific at the time? > We would; this is just nemawashi. John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org "Not to know The Smiths is not to know K.X.U." --K.X.U. --000000000000dea27c05ab970238 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org>
Dat= e: Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Ietf-languages] Recommend= ation not to register variant subtags of the form 0nnn
To: Phillips, Add= ison <addison@lab126.com>




On Wed, Jul 29, 2020= at 11:48 AM Phillips, Addison <addison@lab126.com> wrote:

That would not happen with a 4-digit variant= starting with a digit: they would always come at the end of a language tag= .


It's true ther= e is no actual ambiguity: 004 is always going to be a region and 0004 is al= ways going to be a variant, and so "qq-004" is Cuecue as used in = Africa, whereas "qq-0004" is some variant of Cuecue, not necessar= ily date-based.=C2=A0 But human beings could easily make a mistake, because= we are used to the idea that leading zeros have no semantic meaning in a n= umber.
=C2=A0

I tend to a= gree that we should avoid confusables and thus should be careful not to register such subtags just g= enerally. But never is a long time and I could see someone (attempting to) = register e.g. Gregorian year based subtags for well-attested years pre-1000= , e.g. =E2=80=9Car-0661=E2=80=9D (or maybe =E2=80=9Car-0072=E2=80=9D ;-))


I'd go wit= h ar-ce661 and ar-ce72 in those cases.=C2=A0 When speaking or writing, I wo= uld always use a phrase like "the year 72" even when I wouldn'= ;t bother with "the year 1958".
=C2=A0

=C2=A0As I said, I agr= ee in general principle, but wouldn=E2=80=99t we discuss it in specific at = the time?


We would; = this is just nemawashi.



<= div>John Cowan =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0cowan@ccil.org
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "Not to know The Sm= iths is not to know K.X.U." =C2=A0--K.X.U.

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But another bigger question is, how about BC years? Since it's obviously not compatible with BCP 47 to add a negative sign in front of the digits, which would render as equivalent to another hyphen =E5=9C=A8 2020=E5=B9=B47=E6=9C=8829=E6=97=A5=E9=80=B1=E4=B8=89 10:44=EF=BC= =8CJohn Cowan =E5=AF=AB=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A > While BCP 47 does not forbid 4-digit variant subtags that begin with 0, I > am hereby suggesting to the Tyrant and his Good Right Arm that such tags > never be registered. It would be very easy to confuse '0029' with '029' > (Caribbean). > > What say you all? > > > John Cowan http://vrici..lojban.org/~cowan > cowan@ccil.org > A poetical purist named Cowan [that's me] > Once put the rest of us dowan. [on xml-dev] > "Your verse would be sweeter / If it only had metre > And rhymes that didn't force me to frowan." [overpacked line!] > --Michael Kay > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf-languages mailing list > Ietf-languages@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-languages > --0000000000004aa0f905ab9aa547 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I thought the number of digit is already a big enoug= h difference like you won't confuse zh-cmn and zh-cn.

But another bigger question is, how about= BC years? Since it's obviously not compatible with BCP 47 to add a neg= ative sign in front of the digits, which would render as equivalent to anot= her hyphen

=E5=9C=A8 2020=E5=B9=B47=E6=9C=8829=E6=97=A5=E9=80=B1= =E4=B8=89 10:44=EF=BC=8CJohn Cowan <co= wan@ccil.org> =E5=AF=AB=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A
While BCP 47 does not forbid 4-digit variant= subtags that begin with 0, I am hereby suggesting to the Tyrant and his Go= od Right Arm that such tags never be registered.=C2=A0 It would be very eas= y to confuse '0029' with '029' (Caribbean).

<= div>What say you all?


John Cowan = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0http://vrici..lojban.org/~cowan = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0cowan@ccil.org
A poetical purist named Cowan = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 [that's = me]
Once put the rest of us dowan. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[on xml-dev]
"Your verse would be sweete= r / If it only had metre
And rhymes that didn't force me to frowan.&= quot; =C2=A0 =C2=A0 [overpacked line!] --Michael Kay

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By the same token, it would be bad to encode both 12345 and 012345 as variant subtags (and still worse to register 00001 and 00000001). This is specific to leading zeros: obviously `aaaaaaa` and `aaaaaaaa` would also be bad, but for a different reason. If we need a BCE date, then the subtag format 'bcennnn' works for me. The tag "egy-bce32c" for early Egyptian hieroglyphic writing also makes sense, since we cannot usually pin such things down to a particular year. On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 4:46 PM Phake Nick wrote: > I thought the number of digit is already a big enough difference like you > won't confuse zh-cmn and zh-cn. > > But another bigger question is, how about BC years? Since it's obviously > not compatible with BCP 47 to add a negative sign in front of the digits, > which would render as equivalent to another hyphen > > =E5=9C=A8 2020=E5=B9=B47=E6=9C=8829=E6=97=A5=E9=80=B1=E4=B8=89 10:44=EF= =BC=8CJohn Cowan =E5=AF=AB=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A > >> While BCP 47 does not forbid 4-digit variant subtags that begin with 0, = I >> am hereby suggesting to the Tyrant and his Good Right Arm that such tags >> never be registered. It would be very easy to confuse '0029' with '029' >> (Caribbean). >> >> What say you all? >> >> >> John Cowan http://vrici..lojban.org/~cowan >> cowan@ccil.org >> A poetical purist named Cowan [that's me] >> Once put the rest of us dowan. [on xml-dev] >> "Your verse would be sweeter / If it only had metre >> And rhymes that didn't force me to frowan." [overpacked line!] >> --Michael Kay >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ietf-languages mailing list >> Ietf-languages@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-languages >> > --00000000000049dcc905ab9ac5e3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It isn't about the number of characters: it's abou= t the fact that '021' feels like a number and we are not used to di= stinguishing between 21, 021, and 0021.=C2=A0 By the same token, it would b= e bad to encode both 12345 and 012345 as variant subtags (and still=C2=A0wo= rse to register 00001 and 00000001).=C2=A0 This is specific to leading zero= s: obviously `aaaaaaa` and `aaaaaaaa` would also be bad, but for a differen= t reason.

If we need a BCE date, then the subtag format = 'bcennnn' works for me.=C2=A0 The tag "egy-bce32c" for ea= rly Egyptian hieroglyphic writing also makes sense, since we cannot usually= pin such things down to a particular year.

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 4:= 46 PM Phake Nick <c933103@gmail.com= > wrote:
=
I thought the number of digit is already a big enoug= h difference like you won't confuse zh-cmn and zh-cn.

But another bigger question is, how about= BC years? Since it's obviously not compatible with BCP 47 to add a neg= ative sign in front of the digits, which would render as equivalent to anot= her hyphen

=E5=9C=A8 2020=E5=B9=B47=E6=9C=8829=E6=97=A5=E9=80=B1= =E4=B8=89 10:44=EF=BC=8CJohn Cowan <cowan@ccil.org> =E5=AF=AB=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A
While B= CP 47 does not forbid 4-digit variant subtags that begin with 0, I am hereb= y suggesting to the Tyrant and his Good Right Arm that such tags never be r= egistered.=C2=A0 It would be very easy to confuse '0029' with '= 029' (Caribbean).

What say you all?
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(The organization = doesn=E2=80=99t fully get that region subtags aren=E2=80=99t always = necessary or desirable.) =EF=BF=BD Our existing UN M49-based region subtags that begin with = =E2=80=9C0=E2=80=9D are already subject to this. One of them, = =E2=80=9Cen-029=E2=80=9D, even has some currency. I don=E2=80=99t know = if there has been any confusion around the leading zero. I know from a = quick web scan that there is plenty of confusion from people who think a = region subtag can only be an ISO 3166-1 code element, or who are still = stuck in RFC 1766 and think a language subtag can only be two letters. =EF=BF=BD I appreciate the nemawashi and suggest that we try to not enact any firm = decisions, but keep this idea in mind whenever an all-numeric variant = subtag is being floated. =EF=BF=BD -- Doug Ewell | Thornton, CO, US | ewellic.org =EF=BF=BD ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01D665B8.826BA990 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I = understand the intent, although there are plenty of opportunities = already for confusion.

 

I have a = colleague who often refers to the bogus tag =E2=80=9Den-EN=E2=80=9D by = analogy with =E2=80=9Cfr-FR=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Ces-ES=E2=80=9D and = =E2=80=9Cit-IT=E2=80=9D. (The organization doesn=E2=80=99t fully get = that region subtags aren=E2=80=99t always necessary or = desirable.)

 

Our existing UN M49-based region subtags that begin = with =E2=80=9C0=E2=80=9D are already subject to this. One of them, = =E2=80=9Cen-029=E2=80=9D, even has some currency. I don=E2=80=99t know = if there has been any confusion around the leading zero. I know from a = quick web scan that there is plenty of confusion from people who think a = region subtag can only be an ISO 3166-1 code element, or who are still = stuck in RFC 1766 and think a language subtag can only be two = letters.

 

I appreciate the nemawashi and suggest that we try to = not enact any firm decisions, but keep this idea in mind whenever an = all-numeric variant subtag is being floated.

 

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Doug Ewell | = Thornton, CO, US | = ewellic.org

 

------=_NextPart_000_000A_01D665B8.826BA990-- From nobody Wed Jul 29 14:06:04 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-languages@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-languages@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 517903A0E77 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 14:06:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.003 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.003 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V-PsdWGpijrS for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 14:06:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mork.alvestrand.no (mork.alvestrand.no [158.38.152.117]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8AEC93A0E5C for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 14:05:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mork.alvestrand.no (Postfix) id 0EF177C5B65; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 23:05:58 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: ietf-languages@alvestrand.no X-Comment: SPF skipped for whitelisted relay - client-ip=192.0.33.74; helo=pechora4.lax.icann.org; envelope-from=doug@ewellic.org; receiver=ietf-languages@alvestrand.no Received: from pechora4.lax.icann.org (pechora4.icann.org [192.0.33.74]) by mork.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A2C2A7C5B64 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 23:05:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from p3plsmtpa09-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pechora4.lax.icann.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA3C470063E5 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 21:05:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from DESKTOPLPOB1E4 ([73.229.14.229]) by :SMTPAUTH: with ESMTPSA id 0tGXkQRL2hpWr0tGYk1tW8; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 14:05:34 -0700 X-CMAE-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=cLGeTWWN c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=9XGd8Ajh92evfb2NHZFWmw==:117 a=9XGd8Ajh92evfb2NHZFWmw==:17 a=DAwyPP_o2Byb1YXLmDAA:9 a=nORFd0-XAAAA:8 a=nT2-cyU-2LDMPINTp80A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=AYkXoqVYie-NGRFAsbO8:22 X-SECURESERVER-ACCT: doug@ewellic.org From: "Doug Ewell" To: "'Phake Nick'" , "'John Cowan'" Cc: "'IETF Languages Discussion'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 15:05:33 -0600 Message-ID: <000e01d665ec$00457ed0$00d07c70$@ewellic.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01D665B9.B5AC2040" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQKpfXaf/l3TDpe0T1J/vKV8Xk8n3wIISsxap2iYWhA= Content-Language: en-us X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfCSaEkGjJe8JjogyVVoahGybKzLt+hjeBQ7bVUogQQwIjMe0ni8Yxor5rDik0ES+R//Y5cvfYTOHjM1MoU1tsWT0+hDhBXW7sjmxRqxk3LTpzdUnoxcO o8MDKmGrB4Bssz2bnX61TrnTW2tuplboaJsiFSR0zUrkQS6GJVQhDSth7pzb39qhFhb6EKjJReEbluGTui0KU/C9ustUnk/ezEAxrIjRvDfF1dD0iIqw5zsd X-Greylist: Sender DNS name whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (pechora4.lax.icann.org [0.0.0.0]); Wed, 29 Jul 2020 21:05:56 +0000 (UTC) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-languages] Recommendation not to register variant subtags of the form 0nnn X-BeenThere: ietf-languages@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 21:06:02 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01D665B9.B5AC2040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Phake Nick wrote: =EF=BF=BD > But another bigger question is, how about BC years? Since it's > obviously not compatible with BCP 47 to add a negative sign in front > of the digits, which would render as equivalent to another hyphen =EF=BF=BD I=E2=80=99m not sure why that wouldn=E2=80=99t just be = =E2=80=98####bc=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=98####bce=E2=80=9D. =EF=BF=BD The variants involving years that have been proposed, registered, and/or = imported from RFC 3066 have all been from comparatively recent history = (i.e. since the 17th century). I would think the farther back you go, = the harder it would be (though of course not impossible) to nail down a = language variation to a specific year, even citing a well-known = published work. Subtags representing years before the 11th century CE = might be somewhat hypothetical. =EF=BF=BD -- Doug Ewell | Thornton, CO, US | ewellic.org =EF=BF=BD ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01D665B9.B5AC2040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Phake Nick = wrote:

 

> But another bigger question is, how about BC = years? Since it's

> obviously not = compatible with BCP 47 to add a negative sign in front

> of the digits, which would render as equivalent = to another hyphen

 

I=E2=80=99m = not sure why that wouldn=E2=80=99t just be =E2=80=98####bc=E2=80=9D or = =E2=80=98####bce=E2=80=9D.

 

The variants = involving years that have been proposed, registered, and/or imported = from RFC 3066 have all been from comparatively recent history (i.e. = since the 17th century). I would think the farther back you go, the = harder it would be (though of course not impossible) to nail down a = language variation to a specific year, even citing a well-known = published work. Subtags representing years before the 11th century CE = might be somewhat hypothetical.

 

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Doug Ewell | = Thornton, CO, US | ewellic.org

 

------=_NextPart_000_000F_01D665B9.B5AC2040-- From nobody Thu Jul 30 03:14:31 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-languages@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-languages@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36DA43A0CF1 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2020 03:14:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=ntlworld.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qYiZ1BjMKjYZ for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2020 03:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-1.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-1.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.65]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E2DE93A0143 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2020 03:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JRWUBU2 ([82.4.11.47]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id 15ZvkLqh2JoLT15ZvkwXj5; Thu, 30 Jul 2020 11:14:23 +0100 X-Originating-IP: [82.4.11.47] X-Authenticated-User: X-Spam: 0 X-Authority: v=2.3 cv=DeU5VMlW c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=yrOAJgItaIMndimPI+pDLQ==:117 a=yrOAJgItaIMndimPI+pDLQ==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=nORFd0-XAAAA:8 a=oKgO0hHzrmSCILSJmkkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=AYkXoqVYie-NGRFAsbO8:22 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ntlworld.com; s=meg.feb2017; t=1596104063; bh=gd9CnmqZjfxJrvhwePyQMEyZmin/PAdSJiBhOL+TVF4=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=JlU1P0uE9+JrK/Pk0UvdBk9vMgL1+IK9R+B/plBvZ06pcdOAWShYGvnLLzj/FzzYW 45Nuc1B7Gfi9GLOZpG9yYP13IO4+FkFh/MIfeJIvRlG1wPYJ/vVucmF9s31u6mpreR gzNA7jNFe36sy9NcLK97pC+St+ebcvVeHTcWu9QoGHAhsBL/MujLPNTZG8DoKnoeSF nG/wCezclEJ94QhDeLZtl1KEjmFGDD3dOm51cYll8OOSdImi4LCdInvac8sxNqhHhI invZSOOf0T6HZzMiE14WcpFrfvL5BL3whNdnlPc8NYxzhnhlQBtRrYokoPDB4b23PG vlbXhkqL6dgFA== Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 11:14:17 +0100 From: Richard Wordingham To: ietf-languages@ietf.org Message-ID: <20200730111417.046a671a@JRWUBU2> In-Reply-To: <000e01d665ec$00457ed0$00d07c70$@ewellic.org> References: <000e01d665ec$00457ed0$00d07c70$@ewellic.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.13.2 (GTK+ 2.24.30; i686-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfOpPW2I/jj42WeoAJdpsthzgTcr24LL9dE/f7JUfNlHIs54XeM/WpoeeH1bU2Kgk9djG0+DxrL8xldbaq/I7hpRL/3jWLfwMTL+hVWmHLc6jdGbAqeXQ uvWQNA1aJeyJqg2VpSR60sWJ0hJHUqw/CTJGFhhSlGdD0QZtHhomPsnt Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-languages] Recommendation not to register variant subtags of the form 0nnn X-BeenThere: ietf-languages@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 10:14:29 -0000 On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 15:05:33 -0600 "Doug Ewell" wrote: > Subtags representing years before the 11th > century CE might be somewhat hypothetical. Perhaps this is just a dream, but in principle they could be useful for selecting a 'Mesopotamian' cuneiform font. The style used in the Unicode code charts is unusable for matching to neo-Assyrian cuneiform. In practice, we'd probably use non-numeric subtags. Richard. From nobody Thu Jul 30 08:01:26 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-languages@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-languages@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55BDB3A0528 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2020 08:01:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.917 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.917 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k2OjyuWTlePP for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2020 08:01:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p3plsmtpa06-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.102]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BFE673A044E for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2020 08:01:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DESKTOPLPOB1E4 ([73.229.14.229]) by :SMTPAUTH: with ESMTPSA id 1A3dkwWAwvSDs1A3dkvVhC; Thu, 30 Jul 2020 08:01:22 -0700 X-CMAE-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=HsoI5HbS c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=9XGd8Ajh92evfb2NHZFWmw==:117 a=9XGd8Ajh92evfb2NHZFWmw==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=nORFd0-XAAAA:8 a=RWg5Drv78qWx3vdpnRoA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=AYkXoqVYie-NGRFAsbO8:22 X-SECURESERVER-ACCT: doug@ewellic.org From: "Doug Ewell" To: "'Richard Wordingham'" , References: <000e01d665ec$00457ed0$00d07c70$@ewellic.org> <20200730111417.046a671a@JRWUBU2> In-Reply-To: <20200730111417.046a671a@JRWUBU2> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 09:01:21 -0600 Message-ID: <000001d66682$49ed2bf0$ddc783d0$@ewellic.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQKpfXaf/l3TDpe0T1J/vKV8Xk8n3wIISsxaAUejhysBiuce7KdTMMCg Content-Language: en-us X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfOKH5F1FE964uuITKig9aScAuWkocqeAiHdKuRrpfEwOWckX8ARlvekbsbpgZa0scwJ1HsS8XQj9Fmed63W55FlGnFyJMT+Lx0AfJENC5tq2T2FEwOmZ zO+BHGojdQ9/58jcA8SWm9ObPjobTB/Nkv1DRtYITLS+0H+XTZYDgSHY+a/cUr1LGJeBvefejCXHCOrorUyhjOpd/d6rs/CM5A0MBb6Yw2b7nKBsA5O1AlJA wsfTOvPuffuRWAnxlM1oHw== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-languages] Recommendation not to register variant subtags of the form 0nnn X-BeenThere: ietf-languages@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 15:01:24 -0000 Richard Wordingham wrote: >> Subtags representing years before the 11th century CE might be=20 >> somewhat hypothetical. > > Perhaps this is just a dream, but in principle they could be useful > for selecting a 'Mesopotamian' cuneiform font. The style used in the > Unicode code charts is unusable for matching to neo-Assyrian > cuneiform. Could that distinction really be pinned down to a single year in = antiquity, though? > In practice, we'd probably use non-numeric subtags. Yes, or perhaps partial-numeric subtags that reference a century. -- Doug Ewell | Thornton, CO, US | ewellic.org From nobody Thu Jul 30 09:55:04 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-languages@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-languages@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 576DC3A0D00 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2020 09:55:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.181 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.181 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=msn.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) 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SMTP id v126mr695523qka.118.1596136399682; Thu, 30 Jul 2020 12:13:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <000901d665ea$cd03a890$670af9b0$@ewellic.org> In-Reply-To: From: John Cowan Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 15:13:08 -0400 Message-ID: To: Peter Constable Cc: Doug Ewell , IETF Languages Discussion Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000001dd72f05abad77fb" X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (pechora1.lax.icann.org [0.0.0.0]); Thu, 30 Jul 2020 19:13:41 +0000 (UTC) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-languages] Fwd: Recommendation not to register variant subtags of the form 0nnn X-BeenThere: ietf-languages@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 19:13:49 -0000 --0000000000001dd72f05abad77fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What I am suggesting is simplicity itself: Even though 4-digit variant subtags are legal, do not register any that begin with 0. Instead ask the requester to use some other subtag. Exactly what other subtag can be settled case-by-case when the time comes. On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 12:54 PM Peter Constable wrote: > This: > > Our existing UN M49-based region subtags that begin with =E2=80=9C0=E2= =80=9D are already > subject to this. > > > > If it hasn=E2=80=99t been a problem over the past 10+ years for existing = and > in-use numeric region subtags, it=E2=80=99s not clear why we would need t= o change > anything for hypothetical variant subtags. > > > > > > Peter > > > > *From:* Ietf-languages *On Behalf Of *D= oug > Ewell > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 29, 2020 1:57 PM > *To:* 'John Cowan' ; 'IETF Languages Discussion' < > ietf-languages@iana.org> > *Subject:* Re: [Ietf-languages] Fwd: Recommendation not to register > variant subtags of the form 0nnn > > > > I understand the intent, although there are plenty of opportunities > already for confusion. > > > > I have a colleague who often refers to the bogus tag =E2=80=9Den-EN=E2=80= =9D by analogy > with =E2=80=9Cfr-FR=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Ces-ES=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cit-= IT=E2=80=9D. (The organization doesn=E2=80=99t fully get > that region subtags aren=E2=80=99t always necessary or desirable.) > > > > Our existing UN M49-based region subtags that begin with =E2=80=9C0=E2=80= =9D are already > subject to this. One of them, =E2=80=9Cen-029=E2=80=9D, even has some cur= rency. I don=E2=80=99t > know if there has been any confusion around the leading zero. I know from= a > quick web scan that there is plenty of confusion from people who think a > region subtag can only be an ISO 3166-1 code element, or who are still > stuck in RFC 1766 and think a language subtag can only be two letters. > > > > I appreciate the nemawashi and suggest that we try to not enact any firm > decisions, but keep this idea in mind whenever an all-numeric variant > subtag is being floated. > > > > -- > > Doug Ewell | Thornton, CO, US | ewellic.org > > > --0000000000001dd72f05abad77fb Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What I am suggesting is simplicity itself:

<= blockquote style=3D"margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px">
Even th= ough 4-digit variant subtags are legal, do not register any that begin with= 0.

Instead ask the requester to use = some other subtag.=C2=A0 Exactly what other subtag can be settled case-by-c= ase when the time comes.



On Thu, Jul 30,= 2020 at 12:54 PM Peter Constable <pgc= on6@msn.com> wrote:

This:
> Our existing UN M49-based region subtags that begin with =E2=80=9C0=E2= =80=9D are already subject to this.

=C2=A0

If it hasn=E2=80=99t been a problem over the past 10= + years for existing and in-use numeric region subtags, it=E2=80=99s not cl= ear why we would need to change anything for hypothetical variant subtags.<= u>

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Peter

=C2=A0

From: Ietf-languages <ietf-languages-bounces@iet= f.org> On Behalf Of Doug Ewell
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 1:57 PM
To: 'John Cowan' <cowan@ccil.org>; 'IETF Languages Discussion' &l= t;ietf-languag= es@iana.org>
Subject: Re: [Ietf-languages] Fwd: Recommendation not to register va= riant subtags of the form 0nnn

=C2=A0

I understand the intent, although there are plenty o= f opportunities already for confusion.

=C2=A0

I have a colleague who often refers to the bogus tag= =E2=80=9Den-EN=E2=80=9D by analogy with =E2=80=9Cfr-FR=E2=80=9D and =E2=80= =9Ces-ES=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cit-IT=E2=80=9D. (The organization doesn=E2= =80=99t fully get that region subtags aren=E2=80=99t always necessary or de= sirable.)

=C2=A0

Our existing UN M49-based region subtags that begin = with =E2=80=9C0=E2=80=9D are already subject to this. One of them, =E2=80= =9Cen-029=E2=80=9D, even has some currency. I don=E2=80=99t know if there h= as been any confusion around the leading zero. I know from a quick web scan that there is plenty of confusion from people who think a region subtag ca= n only be an ISO 3166-1 code element, or who are still stuck in RFC 1766 an= d think a language subtag can only be two letters.

=C2=A0

I appreciate the nemawashi and suggest that we try t= o not enact any firm decisions, but keep this idea in mind whenever an all-= numeric variant subtag is being floated.

=C2=A0

--

Doug Ewell | Thornton, CO, US | ewellic.org

=C2=A0

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