From nobody Sun Jan 10 09:35:23 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3190B3A114D for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2021 09:35:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I2n-mM0YjGPC for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2021 09:35:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx.upb.ro (mail-sender220.upb.ro [141.85.13.220]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3764F3A114C for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2021 09:35:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx.upb.ro (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E436B560053; Sun, 10 Jan 2021 19:35:15 +0200 (EET) Received: from mx.upb.ro ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx.upb.ro [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id R0JXS4CeTufR; Sun, 10 Jan 2021 19:35:13 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx.upb.ro (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E3B3B56008D; Sun, 10 Jan 2021 19:35:13 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at upb.ro Received: from mx.upb.ro ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx.upb.ro [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 4rRLy0GqXvQh; Sun, 10 Jan 2021 19:35:13 +0200 (EET) Received: from [10.0.1.220] (unknown [86.126.9.44]) by mx.upb.ro (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 25C39B560053; Sun, 10 Jan 2021 19:35:13 +0200 (EET) References: To: Internet Area , =?UTF-8?B?5bygIOaVrOW8ug==?= From: Vladimir Olteanu X-Forwarded-Message-Id: Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 19:35:12 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------0A4BCD97EEA29AA5647064B2" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [Int-area] Fwd: Add new udp connect command to draft-olteanu-intarea-socks-6 X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 17:35:21 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0A4BCD97EEA29AA5647064B2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Add new udp connect command to draft-olteanu-intarea-socks-6 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 22:54:48 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: alias-bounces@ietf.org Resent-To: vladimir.olteanu@cs.pub.ro, dragos.niculescu@cs.pub.ro Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2021 06:54:41 +0000 From: =E5=BC=A0 =E6=95=AC=E5=BC=BA To: draft-olteanu-intarea-socks-6@ietf.org=20 Hi, The udp associate command in socks5 and current sock6 draft is not very efficient for proxy servers, as each packet may have a different target address, which will be a burden for ACL checking and route selection. For protocols like DNS / UDP based RTMP / QUIC , the target address will remain the same for the socks proxy session. For these protocols a new udp connect=C2=A0 command is much more suited than the udp associate command. At the proxy side, the proxy server could get the target udp address just like the connect command, then setup a socket of the same address family and connect to the target address, on linux hosts this socket can be set with bind_addr_no_port sockopt, so the socket number won't be limited by 65535 binding ports per ip address. The ACL checking and route selection can be done at the very early stage of the socks proxy session, which can somehow improve the udp packet processing efficiency. So I suggest to add a new udp connect command, with the address and port in socks request to be the target udp address and port. A new option is also recommended to be added to tell the proxy server the address and=20 port of the client, so port reuse for the client-proxy udp connections can be=20 enabled when the proxy server setup the client side udp socket. I didn't subscribe to this mailing list, so please CC me if needed. Thanks --------------0A4BCD97EEA29AA5647064B2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable




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Hi,

The udp associate command in socks5 and current sock6 draft
is not very efficient for proxy servers, as each packet may
have a different target address, which will be a burden for
ACL checking and route selection.

For protocols like DNS / UDP based RTMP / QUIC , the target
address will remain the same for the socks proxy session. For these protocols a new udp connect=C2=A0 command is much more
suited than the udp associate command.

At the proxy side, the proxy server could get the target udp
address just like the connect command, then setup a socket of
the same address family and connect to the target address,<= br> on linux hosts this socket can be set with bind_addr_no_port sockopt,
so the socket number won't be limited by 65535 binding ports per ip
address. The ACL checking and route selection can be done at the
very early stage of the socks proxy session, which can somehow improve
the udp packet processing efficiency.

So I suggest to add a new udp connect command, with the address and port
in socks request to be the target udp address and port. A new option
is also recommended to be added to tell the proxy server the address and port
of the client, so port reuse for the client-proxy udp connections can be enabled
when the proxy server setup the client side udp socket.

I didn't subscribe to this mailing list, so please CC me if needed.
Thanks
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The initial version was posted to the tsvwg (https://tools.ietf.org/html/dr= aft-zzhang-tsvwg-generic-transport-functions-00). After discussions/feedbac= k we are re-homing it to intarea wg. This new version also contains quite s= ome changes based on the comments and feedback that we received (special th= anks to Stewart). Comments and suggestions are appreciated. Thanks. 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We plan to have a joint session on this hosted by PALS at the next IETF, = but I think we also need to include the iOAM people. This has scope to get very messy as we find new candidates for BoS = metadata so we really need to take a holistic position to ensure the = future health the MPLS protocol. - Stewart > On 12 Jan 2021, at 14:27, Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang = wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I just posted = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zzhang-intarea-generic-delivery-fun= ctions/. >=20 > The initial version was posted to the tsvwg = (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zzhang-tsvwg-generic-transport-function= s-00). After discussions/feedback we are re-homing it to intarea wg. = This new version also contains quite some changes based on the comments = and feedback that we received (special thanks to Stewart). >=20 > Comments and suggestions are appreciated. >=20 > Thanks. > Jeffrey >=20 > Juniper Business Use Only From nobody Tue Jan 12 20:54:29 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 457983A0A0B for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 17:54:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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Unless you're hosting some UDP server, the > communication involves only one remote peer in most cases. ACL selection > does become easier, but route selection is done in the kernel on a > per-packet basis, so route lookup won't get optimized. The route selection I mean here is sometimes we need to bind the local socket to IP addresses from different ISP on the same host, that's the case I care the most for a fixed remote peer, as for cdn domains, we need to decide which ISP should be used before resolving. > > > > So I suggest to add a new udp connect command, with the address and port > > in socks request to be the target udp address and port. > > I think adding a Remote Peer option (containing the address and port) to > the already-existing UDP ASSOCIATE command would be a more elegant > solution. Some protocols, like RTP, still require control over the > source port, so we also need the Associate semantics for Connect either way. > > > To complement this new option, a null SOCKS address type could be added. > The actual "null" address should be empty, i. e. not take any space. If > the remote peer negotiation is successful, the client can go ahead and > use null addresses for its datagrams. > > > I can see some other benefits: > > * The datagram header becomes smaller. > > * If the remote host is known by hostname, rather than by IP address, > the client no longer has to do a DNS query beforehand. (It's also > possible to place the hostname into each datagram header, but that's > impractical.) I have thought about this method this morning, and yes it's better than adding a new command. > > A new option > > is also recommended to be added to tell the proxy server the address > > and port > > of the client, so port reuse for the client-proxy udp connections can > > be enabled > > when the proxy server setup the client side udp socket. > > That is no longer an issue in SOCKS 6. Now all UDP flows go to the same > port, 1080 by default for plain UDP and TBD for DTLS. Oh, I have missed this point in socks6. The following is not about the protocol, but just some thoughts about the implementation: I haven't experienced with UDP traffic multiplexing, it seems to be the same way as QUIC. But I still have some worry, as at the app layer we need to receive packets one per syscall, will it be enough for more than 60000 sessions? Port binding per cpu and large send/recv buffer are needed. I have thought using XDP+ring on linux to decrease the recv/send syscall used, or is there any better ways? From nobody Wed Jan 13 03:59:35 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 462BA3A0BCC for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2021 03:59:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.36 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.36 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.262, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CAL_COKMw_AW for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2021 03:59:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ed1-x530.google.com (mail-ed1-x530.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::530]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 588E53A0BB2 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2021 03:59:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ed1-x530.google.com with SMTP id g1so958775edu.4 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2021 03:59:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=mIGVo2894BKT5FfkCr4G51tGwmRn3BCQOlFX8FvR4HI=; b=Vc4tQ79v2XtPRnk0+OrfVpuKVqeb+73jogSCIdQf7IgxI5MjMS/1WbvqXHX5Qte8g6 mBCBTwgBWvdXKDNkNey9K64aM3bRQOYaX9WE31hzhHkiGQleW1/IMOmqS1K8y3GY86Zj pQ+xoyITq6VlMxqyW5L8JV9UcFgNaP3OjXkf29yn0+aVWJi81qimwpRfIn3inug/Rj0f mBLXNcbLmeFkbJYIZv2u/NEBO2TH7bkzYata+ek40mV4WT7FNBJTW/VLctSC2jw59I7j WfewcI+jVSWe8O8jNEw6VfXT24XpMdNbbWtSzVs+LaQq51DNPS8ixDFl8Q6chvAGuTTc 4nPQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=mIGVo2894BKT5FfkCr4G51tGwmRn3BCQOlFX8FvR4HI=; b=punOoZ5qBj+HGdxCUFlFmhUlkR32kyxhqO51YDb9ZV+OIhXDl/2gfavUk8g70SV3KZ n4hB98e/EKWEJ7jE+LX8tT0cB3oeGcSMiGAJlNtZqlBW8Dda8cKQxmd56v3eIh25eddL xWrLPK0j5/SAHXam3mj6xGNI2Nmc0DGrGL8AStSyGTY1TK2LJj7P2CMEmTq6TMdu6E+N gOZaYe2KIXH0IQpNz9S51n9WmEk+oGT9r8DdW7csmFyy9Lcwe/5LOb5alJfAI5blkg2D NuxUpNT8mGjOKuh8I4ke0+unZ9ZlqmvptrvAeQgy1JsMD2QLNoLy38gZlDPKsNua8H08 bnSg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533OxiFDeUqREcwyWeQAan5OCPCQ5bSQsFVYQSDtkZCPMx7SvZs+ rp3DCAaVT4ZFZfrxanurIB6tvAdfWo+bFQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwxMhA8OI9vQm7t3/JfV0NBclPWPNpfW7TdN5xa1KnUqUwnhA4nklS6fqwuFGIEcvs48Y1RGA== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:d0a:: with SMTP id eb10mr1478574edb.249.1610539169297; Wed, 13 Jan 2021 03:59:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.220] ([86.126.9.44]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c12sm733473edw.55.2021.01.13.03.59.28 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 13 Jan 2021 03:59:28 -0800 (PST) To: Zhang Jingqiang , Internet Area References: <7d810d06-3901-4862-8306-9f38e34c7361@gmail.com> From: Vladimir Olteanu Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 13:59:27 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] Fwd: Add new udp connect command to draft-olteanu-intarea-socks-6 X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 11:59:34 -0000 Hello, On 1/13/21 3:54 AM, Zhang Jingqiang wrote: > The following is not about the protocol, but just some thoughts about the > implementation: > I haven't experienced with UDP traffic multiplexing, it seems to be the same way > as QUIC. But I still have some worry, as at the app layer we need to receive > packets one per syscall, will it be enough for more than 60000 sessions? Port > binding per cpu and large send/recv buffer are needed. I have thought using > XDP+ring on linux to decrease the recv/send syscall used, or is there any > better ways? I agree that the kernel is slow, and UDP traffic can be accelerated by bypassing the stack. If you're willing to dedicate a whole interface to UDP traffic, you can use DPDK or netmap. (I'm not sure about how well the latter works on recent Linux versions.) The NIC will do RSS for you, and you can spawn one thread per ring. You can pin the interrupts to the same cores as the threads doing the work for maximum efficiency. Alternatively, you can set aside a single ring for UDP traffic: https://blog.cloudflare.com/single-rx-queue-kernel-bypass-with-netmap/ I don't have any experience with XDP, but I guess you can get similar results with it as well. 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Fri, 15 Jan 2021 07:43:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Reply-To: sarikaya@ieee.org From: Behcet Sarikaya Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 09:42:52 -0600 Message-ID: To: "Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" Cc: "int-area@ietf.org" , "vladimir.olteanu@cs.pub.ro" , "dragos.niculescu@cs.pub.ro" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000543a4205b8f23a88" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] Suggestion to move draft-olteanu-intarea-socks as Independent Submissions X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 15:43:06 -0000 --000000000000543a4205b8f23a88 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Eric, I am sure you know, all independent Submission documents can only be published as Informational. I did not check what status the authors wish to have but it is good to mention here. Regards, Behcet On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 7:55 AM Eric Vyncke (evyncke) wrote: > Vladimir, Dragos, > > > > While there was some interest in adopting the SOCKv6 document as an > INT-AREA WG document, the lukewarm interest and lack of reviewer voluntee= rs > [1] are preventing the actual adoption of this document as a WG document > (my AD decision in agreement with the chairs). After discussions with the > IESG and our chairs (Juan Carlos and Wassim in cc), I want to propose to > the authors an easier way to publish this document as an RFC but in the > Independent Submissions (ISE) stream rather than in the usual IETF stream= . > > > > The simple process is outlined at > https://www.rfc-editor.org/about/independent/ and =E2=80=9CISE=E2=80=9D i= s described in > RFC 4846. > > > > This should allow this document to move forward and be published as a RFC= . > > > > Hope this helps > > > > -=C3=A9ric (with JC & Wassim) > > > > [1] I tried to contact the previous AFT WG proponents, SOCKS authors, and > some open source SOCKS implementors without any reply on this topic. > > > _______________________________________________ > Int-area mailing list > Int-area@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area > --000000000000543a4205b8f23a88 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Eric,

I am sure you know, all indepe= ndent Submission documents can only be published as Informational.
I did not check what status the authors wish to have but it is good to me= ntion here.

Regards,
Behcet
<= br>
On Fri,= Jan 15, 2021 at 7:55 AM Eric Vyncke (evyncke) <evyncke=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

Vladimir, Dragos,=

=C2=A0

While there was some interest i= n adopting the SOCKv6 document as an INT-AREA WG document, the lukewarm int= erest and lack of reviewer volunteers [1] are preventing the actual adoptio= n of this document as a WG document (my AD decision in agreement with the chairs). After discussions with the = IESG and our chairs (Juan Carlos and Wassim in cc), I want to propose to th= e authors an easier way to publish this document as an RFC but in the Indep= endent Submissions (ISE) stream rather than in the usual IETF stream.

=C2=A0

The simple process is outlined = at https://www.rfc-editor.org/about/independent/ and =E2=80=9CISE=E2=80=9D= is described in RFC 4846.

=C2=A0

This should allow this document= to move forward and be published as a RFC.

=C2=A0

Hope this helps

=C2=A0

-=C3=A9ric (with JC & Wassi= m)

=C2=A0

[1] I tried to contact the prev= ious AFT WG proponents, SOCKS authors, and some open source SOCKS implement= ors without any reply on this topic.

=C2=A0

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Submissions X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 16:08:56 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A2131588055F9FDC8419D785 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Yes, I agree that ISE is the sensible path to take. The intended status was changed from Experimental to Standards Track in=20 -11, but Informational is fine for the moment. When/if SOCKSv6 gains=20 traction, we can issue a bis and change the intended status. Thanks, Vlad On 1/15/21 5:52 PM, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) wrote: > > Indeed, but as the current intended status is experimental ;-) it=20 > should not be a problem > > -=C3=A9ric > > *From: *Behcet Sarikaya > *Reply-To: *"sarikaya@ieee.org" > *Date: *Friday, 15 January 2021 at 16:43 > *To: *Eric Vyncke > *Cc: *"int-area@ietf.org" ,=20 > "vladimir.olteanu@cs.pub.ro" ,=20 > "dragos.niculescu@cs.pub.ro" > *Subject: *Re: [Int-area] Suggestion to move=20 > draft-olteanu-intarea-socks as Independent Submissions > > Hi Eric, > > I am sure you know, all independent Submission documents can only be=20 > published as Informational. > > I did not check what status the authors wish to have but it is good to=20 > mention here. > > Regards, > > Behcet > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 7:55 AM Eric Vyncke (evyncke)=20 > > wrote: > > Vladimir, Dragos, > > While there was some interest in adopting the SOCKv6 document as > an INT-AREA WG document, the lukewarm interest and lack of > reviewer volunteers [1] are preventing the actual adoption of this > document as a WG document (my AD decision in agreement with the > chairs). After discussions with the IESG and our chairs (Juan > Carlos and Wassim in cc), I want to propose to the authors an > easier way to publish this document as an RFC but in the > Independent Submissions (ISE) stream rather than in the usual IETF > stream. > > The simple process is outlined at > https://www.rfc-editor.org/about/independent/ > > and =E2=80=9CISE=E2=80=9D is described in RFC 4846. > > This should allow this document to move forward and be published > as a RFC. > > Hope this helps > > -=C3=A9ric (with JC & Wassim) > > [1] I tried to contact the previous AFT WG proponents, SOCKS > authors, and some open source SOCKS implementors without any reply > on this topic. > > _______________________________________________ > Int-area mailing list > Int-area@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area > > --------------A2131588055F9FDC8419D785 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello,

Yes, I agree that ISE is the sensible path to take.

The intended status was changed from Experimental to Standards Track in -11, but Informational is fine for the moment. When/if SOCKSv6 gains traction, we can issue a bis and change the intended status.

Thanks,

Vlad

On 1/15/21 5:52 PM, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) wrote:

Indeed, but as the current intended status is experimental ;-) it should not be a problem

=C2=A0

-=C3=A9ric

=C2=A0

From: Beh= cet Sarikaya <sarikaya2012@gmail.com>
Reply-To: "sarikaya@ieee.org" <sarikaya@ieee.org>
Date: Friday, 15 January 2021 at 16:43
To: Eric Vyncke <evyncke@cisco.com>
Cc: "int-area@ietf.org" <int-area@ietf.org>, "vladimir.olteanu@cs.pub.ro" <vladimir.olteanu@cs.pub.ro>, "dragos.niculescu@cs.pub.ro" <dragos.niculescu@cs.pub.ro>
Subject: Re: [Int-area] Suggestion to move draft-olteanu-intarea-socks as Independent Submissions=

=C2=A0=

Hi Eric,

=C2=A0=

I am sure you know, all independent Submission documents can only be published as Informational.

I did not check what status the authors wish to have but it is good to mention here.

=C2=A0=

Regards,<= o:p>

Behcet

=C2=A0

On Fri, J= an 15, 2021 at 7:55 AM Eric Vyncke (evyncke) <evyncke=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org&g= t; wrote:

Vladimir, Dragos,

=C2=A0

While there was some interest in adopting the SOCKv6 document as an INT-AREA WG document, the lukewarm interest and lack of reviewer volunteers [1] are preventing the actual adoption of this document as a WG document (my AD decision in agreement with the chairs). After discussions with the IESG and our chairs (Juan Carlos and Wassim in cc), I want to propose to the authors an easier way to publish this document as an RFC but in the Independent Submissions (ISE) stream rather than in the usual IETF stream.

=C2=A0

The simple process is outlined at https://www.rfc-editor.org/about/independent/ and =E2=80=9CISE=E2=80=9D is described in RFC 4846.

=C2=A0

This should allow this document to mov= e forward and be published as a RFC.<= /p>

=C2=A0

Hope this helps

=C2=A0

-=C3=A9ric (with JC & Wassim)

=C2=A0

[1] I tried to contact the previous AF= T WG proponents, SOCKS authors, and some open source SOCKS implementors without any reply on this topic.

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However, one of the reasons for the existence of the = Independent Submissions Stream is to provide a way to publish relevant = material as an RFC when the IETF is unable or unwilling to do so. =20 Best, Adrian =20 From: Int-area On Behalf Of Eric Vyncke = (evyncke) Sent: 15 January 2021 15:52 To: sarikaya@ieee.org Cc: int-area@ietf.org; dragos.niculescu@cs.pub.ro Subject: Re: [Int-area] Suggestion to move draft-olteanu-intarea-socks = as Independent Submissions =20 Indeed, but as the current intended status is experimental ;-) it should = not be a problem =20 -=C3=A9ric =20 From: Behcet Sarikaya > Reply-To: "sarikaya@ieee.org " = > Date: Friday, 15 January 2021 at 16:43 To: Eric Vyncke > Cc: "int-area@ietf.org " >, "vladimir.olteanu@cs.pub.ro = " >, "dragos.niculescu@cs.pub.ro = " > Subject: Re: [Int-area] Suggestion to move draft-olteanu-intarea-socks = as Independent Submissions =20 Hi Eric, =20 I am sure you know, all independent Submission documents can only be = published as Informational. I did not check what status the authors wish to have but it is good to = mention here. =20 Regards, Behcet =20 On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 7:55 AM Eric Vyncke (evyncke) = > wrote: Vladimir, Dragos, =20 While there was some interest in adopting the SOCKv6 document as an = INT-AREA WG document, the lukewarm interest and lack of reviewer = volunteers [1] are preventing the actual adoption of this document as a = WG document (my AD decision in agreement with the chairs). After = discussions with the IESG and our chairs (Juan Carlos and Wassim in cc), = I want to propose to the authors an easier way to publish this document = as an RFC but in the Independent Submissions (ISE) stream rather than in = the usual IETF stream. =20 The simple process is outlined at = https://www.rfc-editor.org/about/independent/ and =E2=80=9CISE=E2=80=9D = is described in RFC 4846. =20 This should allow this document to move forward and be published as a = RFC. =20 Hope this helps =20 -=C3=A9ric (with JC & Wassim) =20 [1] I tried to contact the previous AFT WG proponents, SOCKS authors, = and some open source SOCKS implementors without any reply on this topic. =20 _______________________________________________ Int-area mailing list Int-area@ietf.org =20 https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01D6EB6D.9334C500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Just to re-assert that the = Independent Submissions Stream can publish Informational and = Experimental RFCs.

 

I am = usually saddened when a piece of work that is clearly relevant for the = IETF is unable to get enough traction to be published through the IETF: = adoption by a working group is not the only avenue to publication within = the IETF. However, one of the reasons for the existence of the = Independent Submissions Stream is to provide a way to publish relevant = material as an RFC when the IETF is unable or unwilling to do = so.

 

Best,

Adrian

 

From: Int-area = <int-area-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Eric Vyncke = (evyncke)
Sent: 15 January 2021 15:52
To: = sarikaya@ieee.org
Cc: int-area@ietf.org; = dragos.niculescu@cs.pub.ro
Subject: Re: [Int-area] Suggestion = to move draft-olteanu-intarea-socks as Independent = Submissions

 

Indeed, but as = the current intended status is experimental ;-) it = should not be a problem

 

-=C3=A9ric

 

From: Behcet Sarikaya <sarikaya2012@gmail.com>
= Reply-To: "sarikaya@ieee.org" <sarikaya@ieee.org>
Date: = Friday, 15 January 2021 at 16:43
To: Eric Vyncke <evyncke@cisco.com>
Cc: = "int-area@ietf.org" <int-area@ietf.org>, "vladimir.olteanu@cs.pub.ro= " <vladimir.olteanu@cs.pub.ro= >, "dragos.niculescu@cs.pub.ro= " <dragos.niculescu@cs.pub.ro= >
Subject: Re: [Int-area] Suggestion to move = draft-olteanu-intarea-socks as Independent = Submissions

 

Hi = Eric,

 

I am sure you know, all = independent Submission documents can only be published as = Informational.

I did not check what status the authors = wish to have but it is good to mention here.

 

Regards,

Behcet

 

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at = 7:55 AM Eric Vyncke (evyncke) <evyncke=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org= > wrote:

Vladimir, Dragos,

 

While there was some interest in adopting the = SOCKv6 document as an INT-AREA WG document, the lukewarm interest and = lack of reviewer volunteers [1] are preventing the actual adoption of = this document as a WG document (my AD decision in agreement with the = chairs). After discussions with the IESG and our chairs (Juan Carlos and = Wassim in cc), I want to propose to the authors an easier way to publish = this document as an RFC but in the Independent Submissions (ISE) stream = rather than in the usual IETF stream.

 

The simple process is outlined at https://www.rfc-editor.org/about/independent/ and = =E2=80=9CISE=E2=80=9D is described in RFC 4846.

 

This should allow this document to move = forward and be published as a RFC.

 

Hope this helps

 

-=C3=A9ric (with JC & = Wassim)

 

[1] I tried to contact the previous AFT WG = proponents, SOCKS authors, and some open source SOCKS implementors = without any reply on this topic.

 

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List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 15:49:44 -0000 --0000000000008b1fdc05b92eabd3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 8:24 AM Eric Vyncke (evyncke) wrote: > Adrian, > > > > I share your mood=E2=80=A6 The lukewarm call for adoption was both disapp= ointing > and a signal to use another path. > > > > -=C3=A9ric > > > > *From: *Adrian Farrel > *Organization: *Old Dog Consulting > *Reply-To: *"adrian@olddog.co.uk" > *Date: *Friday, 15 January 2021 at 19:38 > *To: *Eric Vyncke , "sarikaya@ieee.org" < > sarikaya@ieee.org> > *Cc: *"int-area@ietf.org" , "dragos.niculescu@cs.pub.r= o" > , "rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org" < > rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org> > *Subject: *RE: [Int-area] Suggestion to move draft-olteanu-intarea-socks > as Independent Submissions > > > > Just to re-assert that the Independent Submissions Stream can publish > Informational and Experimental RFCs. > > > Thanks for the correction, I thought Informational RFC was the only possibility, as I have already used it that way in the past. Behcet > I am usually saddened when a piece of work that is clearly relevant for > the IETF is unable to get enough traction to be published through the IET= F: > adoption by a working group is not the only avenue to publication within > the IETF. However, one of the reasons for the existence of the Independen= t > Submissions Stream is to provide a way to publish relevant material as an > RFC when the IETF is unable or unwilling to do so. > > > > Best, > > Adrian > > > > *From:* Int-area *On Behalf Of *Eric Vyncke > (evyncke) > *Sent:* 15 January 2021 15:52 > *To:* sarikaya@ieee.org > *Cc:* int-area@ietf.org; dragos.niculescu@cs.pub.ro > *Subject:* Re: [Int-area] Suggestion to move draft-olteanu-intarea-socks > as Independent Submissions > > > > Indeed, but as the current intended status is experimental ;-) it should > not be a problem > > > > -=C3=A9ric > > > > *From: *Behcet Sarikaya > *Reply-To: *"sarikaya@ieee.org" > *Date: *Friday, 15 January 2021 at 16:43 > *To: *Eric Vyncke > *Cc: *"int-area@ietf.org" , "vladimir.olteanu@cs.pub.r= o" > , "dragos.niculescu@cs.pub.ro" < > dragos.niculescu@cs.pub.ro> > *Subject: *Re: [Int-area] Suggestion to move draft-olteanu-intarea-socks > as Independent Submissions > > > > Hi Eric, > > > > I am sure you know, all independent Submission documents can only be > published as Informational. > > I did not check what status the authors wish to have but it is good to > mention here. > > > > Regards, > > Behcet > > > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 7:55 AM Eric Vyncke (evyncke) 40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > Vladimir, Dragos, > > > > While there was some interest in adopting the SOCKv6 document as an > INT-AREA WG document, the lukewarm interest and lack of reviewer voluntee= rs > [1] are preventing the actual adoption of this document as a WG document > (my AD decision in agreement with the chairs). After discussions with the > IESG and our chairs (Juan Carlos and Wassim in cc), I want to propose to > the authors an easier way to publish this document as an RFC but in the > Independent Submissions (ISE) stream rather than in the usual IETF stream= . > > > > The simple process is outlined at > https://www.rfc-editor.org/about/independent/ and =E2=80=9CISE=E2=80=9D i= s described in > RFC 4846. > > > > This should allow this document to move forward and be published as a RFC= . > > > > Hope this helps > > > > -=C3=A9ric (with JC & Wassim) > > > > [1] I tried to contact the previous AFT WG proponents, SOCKS authors, and > some open source SOCKS implementors without any reply on this topic. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Int-area mailing list > Int-area@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area > > --0000000000008b1fdc05b92eabd3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 8:24 AM Eric = Vyncke (evyncke) <evyncke@cisco.com= > wrote:

Adrian,

=C2=A0

I share your mood=E2=80=A6 The = lukewarm call for adoption was both disappointing and a signal to use anoth= er path.

=C2=A0

-=C3=A9ric=

=C2=A0

From: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
Organization: Old Dog Consulting
Reply-To: "
adrian@olddog.co.uk" <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
Date: Friday, 15 January 2021 at 19:38
To: Eric Vyncke <evyncke@cisco.com>, "sarikaya@ieee.org" <sarikaya@ieee.org>
Cc: "int= -area@ietf.org" <int-area@ietf.org>, "dragos.niculescu@cs.pub.ro" <dragos.nicules= cu@cs.pub.ro>, "rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org" <rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org>
Subject: RE: [Int-area] Suggestion to move draft-olteanu-intarea-soc= ks as Independent Submissions

=C2=A0

Just to re-assert that th= e Independent Submissions Stream can publish Informational and Experimental= RFCs.

=C2=A0



Thanks for the correction, I t= hought Informational RFC was the only possibility, as I have already used = =C2=A0it that way in the past.

Behcet

I am usually saddened whe= n a piece of work that is clearly relevant for the IETF is unable to get en= ough traction to be published through the IETF: adoption by a working group= is not the only avenue to publication within the IETF. However, one of the reasons for the existence of the Inde= pendent Submissions Stream is to provide a way to publish relevant material= as an RFC when the IETF is unable or unwilling to do so.

=C2=A0

Best,

Adrian

=C2=A0

F= rom: Int-area <int-area-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Eric Vyncke (evyncke)
Sent: 15 January 2021 15:52
To: sarikaya@= ieee.org
Cc: int-area@= ietf.org; dragos.niculescu@cs.pub.ro
Subject: Re: [Int-area] Suggestion to move draft-olteanu-intarea-soc= ks as Independent Submissions

=C2=A0

Indeed, but as t= he current intended status is experimental ;-) it should not be a = problem

=C2=A0=

-=C3=A9ric

=C2=A0

From: Behcet Sarikaya <<= a href=3D"mailto:sarikaya2012@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">sarikaya2012@gma= il.com>
Reply-To: "sarikaya@ieee.org" <sarikaya@ieee.org>
Date: Friday, 15 January 2021 at 16:43
To: Eric Vyncke <evyncke@cisco.com>
Cc: "int= -area@ietf.org" <int-area@ietf.org>, "vladimir.olteanu@cs.pub.ro" <vladimir.oltea= nu@cs.pub.ro>, "drag= os.niculescu@cs.pub.ro" <dragos.niculescu@cs.pub.ro>
Subject: Re: [Int-area] Suggestion to move draft-olteanu-intarea-soc= ks as Independent Submissions

=C2=A0

Hi Eric,

=C2=A0

I am sure you know, all i= ndependent Submission documents can only be published as Informational.<= /u>

I did not check what stat= us the authors wish to have but it is good to mention here.

=C2=A0

Regards,

Behcet

=C2=A0

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 7= :55 AM Eric Vyncke (evyncke) <evyncke=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

Vladimir, Dragos,

=C2=A0

While there was some interest in adopting the SOCKv6 d= ocument as an INT-AREA WG document, the lukewarm interest and lack of revie= wer volunteers [1] are preventing the actual adoption of this document as a= WG document (my AD decision in agreement with the chairs). After discussions with the IESG and our chairs (Juan Car= los and Wassim in cc), I want to propose to the authors an easier way to pu= blish this document as an RFC but in the Independent Submissions (ISE) stre= am rather than in the usual IETF stream.

=C2=A0

The simple process is outlined at https://www.rfc-editor.org/about/independent/ and =E2=80=9CISE=E2=80=9D= is described in RFC 4846.

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This should allow this document to move forward and be= published as a RFC.

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Hope this helps

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-=C3=A9ric (with JC & Wassim)=

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[1] I tried to contact the previous AFT WG proponents,= SOCKS authors, and some open source SOCKS implementors without any reply o= n this topic.

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If we have a mechanism like following, does that address the issue? 1. IOAM header is part of the MPLS encapsulation, any other control word is added after the IOAM header in the data packet. 2. The transit nodes can process the IOAM data field(s) after the EOS in data packets as it is proposed. 3. The decapsulating node removes the MPLS encapsulation including the IOAM header and then processes the other control word following it. 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | IOAM Indicator Label | TC |1| TTL | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+<-+ |0 0 0 1|Version| Reserved | IOAM G-ACh | | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | | Reserved | Block Number | IOAM-OPT-Type |IOAM HDR Length| | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ I | | O | | A ~ IOAM Option and Data Space ~ M | | | | | | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+<-+ |0 0 0 0| Rsved | This Header | Header Length | Next Header | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ~ Variable field per =E2=80=9CThis header=E2=80=9D = ~ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | | | | ~ Payload Packet ~ | | | | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Thanks, Rakesh On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 10:00 AM Stewart Bryant wrote: > Thank you Jeffery > > Please see the note that I sent about iOAM who also want to sit after BoS > =E2=80=A6 and both of you want the same space that PALS and DetNet is alr= eady using. > > We plan to have a joint session on this hosted by PALS at the next IETF, > but I think we also need to include the iOAM people. > > This has scope to get very messy as we find new candidates for BoS > metadata so we really need to take a holistic position to ensure the futu= re > health the MPLS protocol. > > - Stewart > > > > On 12 Jan 2021, at 14:27, Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I just posted > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zzhang-intarea-generic-delivery-fu= nctions/ > . > > > > The initial version was posted to the tsvwg ( > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zzhang-tsvwg-generic-transport-function= s-00). > After discussions/feedback we are re-homing it to intarea wg. This new > version also contains quite some changes based on the comments and feedba= ck > that we received (special thanks to Stewart). > > > > Comments and suggestions are appreciated. > > > > Thanks. > > Jeffrey > > > > Juniper Business Use Only > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > --00000000000045db7e05b947162a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Stewart,
Thanks for your comments. If we have a mechanism like following, = does that address the issue?
  1. IOAM header is part of the MPLS encapsulati= on, any other= control word is added after the IOAM header in the data packet.
  2. The transit nodes can process the IOAM data field(s) after the EOS in data pack= ets as it is proposed.
  3. The decapsulating node removes the MPLS encapsulation including the IOAM header and then processes the other control word followi= ng it.

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Thanks,
Rakesh



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X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2021 02:08:22 -0000 --_004_4278D47A901B3041A737953BAA078ADE19806DB2DGGEML532MBXchi_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_4278D47A901B3041A737953BAA078ADE19806DB2DGGEML532MBXchi_" --_000_4278D47A901B3041A737953BAA078ADE19806DB2DGGEML532MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear authors, We have updated the APN BoF Proposal as attached. The suggestions in your d= raft and the discussions with you offline inspired us a lot. The support of= the user/app group is explicitly shown in the text although it was implici= tly included. We have made a lot of efforts on clarifying the scope of the = work, introducing the basic solution, and describing the concrete use case.= Please advise whether we are clear now and how we can improve further, esp= ecially on the privacy concerns. Thank you! This posted draft, https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-peng-apn-sco= pe-gap-analysis, would be able to give you more complete information. Pleas= e also refer to the recent discussions in the archives https://mailarchive.= ietf.org/arch/browse/apn/ if you have not subscribed the APN mailing list y= et. Based on discussions and suggestions we received, we will update this d= raft accordingly. Your reviews and comments will be very much appreciated. Thank you! Best regards, Shuping From: Apn [mailto:apn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pengshuping (Peng Shup= ing) Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 11:12 AM To: apn@ietf.org; rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: [Apn] A new draft on APN for your review, thank you! Dear all, A new draft on APN has been posted, https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/d= raft-peng-apn-scope-gap-analysis. In this draft, we clarified the scope of the APN work in IETF, introduced a= n example use case and the basic solution. Moreover, we compared with the e= xisting "similar" work/solutions and did corresponding gap analysis. Your review and comments are very much appreciated. Thank you! Best regards, Shuping A new version of I-D, draft-peng-apn-scope-gap-analysis-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Shuping Peng and posted to the IETF repo= sitory. Name: draft-peng-apn-scope-gap-analysis Revision: 00 Title: APN Scope and Gap Analysis Document date: 2020-12-16 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 11 URL: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-peng-apn-scope-gap-an= alysis-00.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-peng-apn-scope-gap-a= nalysis/ Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-peng-apn-scope-= gap-analysis Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-peng-apn-scope-gap-analys= is-00 Abstract: The APN work in IETF is focused on developing a framework and set of mechanisms to derive, convey and use an identifier to allow for implementing fine-grain user-, application-, and service-level requirements at the network layer. This document describes the scope of the APN work and the solution gap analysis. --_000_4278D47A901B3041A737953BAA078ADE19806DB2DGGEML532MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear au= thors,

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We have= updated the APN BoF Proposal as attached. The suggestions in your draft an= d the discussions with you offline inspired us a lot. The support of the us= er/app group is explicitly shown in the text although it was implicitly included. We have made a lot of efforts on= clarifying the scope of the work, introducing the basic solution, and desc= ribing the concrete use case. Please advise whether we are clear now and ho= w we can improve further, especially on the privacy concerns. Thank you!

&n= bsp;

This po= sted draft, https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-peng-apn-scope-gap-analysis= , would be able to give= you more complete information. Please also refer to the recent discussions= in the archives https://mailarchi= ve.ietf.org/arch/browse/apn/ if you have not subscribed the APN mailing= list yet. Based on discussions and suggestions we received, we will update= this draft accordingly. Your reviews and comments will be very much appreciated.

&n= bsp;

Thank y= ou!

&n= bsp;

Best re= gards,

Shuping=

&n= bsp;

&n= bsp;

&n= bsp;

From: Apn [mailto:apn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pengshuping (Peng Shuping)
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 11:12 AM
To: apn@ietf.org; rtgwg@ietf.org
Subject: [Apn] A new draft on APN for your review, thank you!

 

Dear all, =

 

A new draft on APN has been = posted, https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-peng-apn-scope-gap-analysis= .

 

In this draft, we clarified = the scope of the APN work in IETF, introduced an example use case and the b= asic solution. Moreover, we compared with the existing &= #8220;similar work/solutions and did corresponding gap analysis.

 

Your review and comments are= very much appreciated. Thank you!

 

Best regards,

Shuping

 

 

A new version of I-D, draft-= peng-apn-scope-gap-analysis-00.txt

has been successfully submit= ted by Shuping Peng and posted to the IETF repository.

 

Name:    = ;          draft-peng-apn-scop= e-gap-analysis

Revision: 00

Title:   &nbs= p;             = APN Scope and Gap Analysis

Document date:  &n= bsp;   2020-12-16

Group:   &nbs= p;          Individual Submiss= ion

Pages:   &nbs= p;          11

URL:    =         https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-peng-apn-scope-gap-analysis-00.txt

Status:   &nb= sp;     https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-peng-apn-scope-gap-analysis/

Htmlized:   &= nbsp;   https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-peng-apn-scope-gap-analysis=

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Abstract:<= /p>

   The APN work in= IETF is focused on developing a framework and set of

   mechanisms to d= erive, convey and use an identifier to allow for

   implementing fi= ne-grain user-, application-, and service-level

   requirements at= the network layer.  This document describes the scope

   of the APN work= and the solution gap analysis.

 

 

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X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2021 12:09:32 -0000 From: Int-area on behalf of Pengshuping (Peng S= huping) =0A= Sent: 22 January 2021 02:08=0A= =0A= Dear authors,=0A= =0A= We have updated the APN BoF Proposal as attached. The suggestions in your d= raft and the =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Whatever APN may stand for! I looked at the I-D and the Abstract uses APN = with no explanation of what it is:-( It needs expanding on first use and w= hile I could read on and perhaps find an explanation yet the idea is that t= he Abstract tells readers whether or not this is of interest to them and th= is Abstract does not. The rest of the I-D may be clearer but I am not gong= to spend time finding out:-)=0A= =0A= Tom Petch=0A= =0A= discussions with you offline inspired us a lot. The support of the user/app= group is explicitly shown in the text although it was implicitly included.= We have made a lot of efforts on clarifying the scope of the work, introdu= cing the basic solution, and describing the concrete use case. Please advis= e whether we are clear now and how we can improve further, especially on th= e privacy concerns. Thank you!=0A= =0A= This posted draft, https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-peng-apn-sco= pe-gap-analysis, would be able to give you more complete information. Pleas= e also refer to the recent discussions in the archives https://mailarchive.= ietf.org/arch/browse/apn/ if you have not subscribed the APN mailing list y= et. Based on discussions and suggestions we received, we will update this d= raft accordingly. Your reviews and comments will be very much appreciated.= =0A= =0A= Thank you!=0A= =0A= Best regards,=0A= Shuping=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= From: Apn [mailto:apn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pengshuping (Peng Shup= ing)=0A= Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 11:12 AM=0A= To: apn@ietf.org; rtgwg@ietf.org=0A= Subject: [Apn] A new draft on APN for your review, thank you!=0A= =0A= =0A= Dear all,=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= A new draft on APN has been posted, https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/d= raft-peng-apn-scope-gap-analysis.=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= In this draft, we clarified the scope of the APN work in IETF, introduced a= n example use case and the basic solution. Moreover, we compared with the e= xisting =93similar=94 work/solutions and did corresponding gap analysis.=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Your review and comments are very much appreciated. Thank you!=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Best regards,=0A= =0A= Shuping=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= A new version of I-D, draft-peng-apn-scope-gap-analysis-00.txt=0A= =0A= has been successfully submitted by Shuping Peng and posted to the IETF repo= sitory.=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Name: draft-peng-apn-scope-gap-analysis=0A= =0A= Revision: 00=0A= =0A= Title: APN Scope and Gap Analysis=0A= =0A= Document date: 2020-12-16=0A= =0A= Group: Individual Submission=0A= =0A= Pages: 11=0A= =0A= URL: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-peng-apn-scope-gap-an= alysis-00.txt=0A= =0A= Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-peng-apn-scope-gap-a= nalysis/=0A= =0A= Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-peng-apn-scope-= gap-analysis=0A= =0A= Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-peng-apn-scope-gap-analys= is-00=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Abstract:=0A= =0A= The APN work in IETF is focused on developing a framework and set of=0A= =0A= mechanisms to derive, convey and use an identifier to allow for=0A= =0A= implementing fine-grain user-, application-, and service-level=0A= =0A= requirements at the network layer. This document describes the scope=0A= =0A= of the APN work and the solution gap analysis.=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= From nobody Sat Jan 23 23:50:46 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7DA03A0FD2; Sat, 23 Jan 2021 23:50:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HVoL6YWiYhYt; Sat, 23 Jan 2021 23:50:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from frasgout.his.huawei.com (frasgout.his.huawei.com [185.176.79.56]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59F303A0FD1; Sat, 23 Jan 2021 23:50:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from fraeml743-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.147.207]) by frasgout.his.huawei.com (SkyGuard) with ESMTP id 4DNlQ73GCQz67g0V; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 15:44:47 +0800 (CST) Received: from fraeml737-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.218) by fraeml743-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.224) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.2106.2; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 08:50:29 +0100 Received: from DGGEML406-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.3.17.50) by fraeml737-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.218) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA) id 15.1.2106.2 via Frontend Transport; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 08:50:28 +0100 Received: from DGGEML512-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.2.224]) by dggeml406-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.3.17.50]) with mapi id 14.03.0509.000; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 15:50:22 +0800 From: "Pengshuping (Peng Shuping)" To: tom petch , draft-per-app-networking-considerations CC: "apn@ietf.org" , "int-area@ietf.org" , "rtgwg@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Apn] A new draft on APN for your review, thank you! Thread-Index: AdbSj5OZJp0yHZz0SGiKnve9MVZvEAdzGJnwAEkAdiAAKPws4A== Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 07:50:22 +0000 Message-ID: <4278D47A901B3041A737953BAA078ADE19821F72@dggeml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: <4278D47A901B3041A737953BAA078ADE196CCA02@DGGEML532-MBX.china.huawei.com>, <4278D47A901B3041A737953BAA078ADE19806DB2@DGGEML532-MBX.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.45.179.49] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] [Apn] A new draft on APN for your review, thank you! X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 07:50:37 -0000 Dear Tom, Thank you for your interest!=20 First of all, APN stands for Application-aware Networking I had attached a APN BoF proposal document in my last email but probably it= was too big to be delivered successfully. The APN6 was also introduced in = this draft in the intarea WG (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-per-app-net= working-considerations). Sorry for any confusions caused.=20 Please find the APN BoF proposal in the IETF wiki for more information.=20 https://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wiki/WikiStart The archived discussions in this APN mailing list can be found here.=20 https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/apn/ To subscribe the APN Mailing list, https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/apn Here are some relevant drafts and materials for your reference.=20 * Scope & Gap analysis https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-peng-apn-scope-gap-analysis * Problem statement & Use cases https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-li-apn-problem-statement-usecases https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-liu-apn-edge-usecase https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhang-apn-acceleration-usecase https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yang-apn-sd-wan-usecase * Framework https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-li-apn-framework/ * Security & Privacy https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-peng-apn-security-privacy-considerat= ion * APN Community https://github.com/APN-Community * Per-Application Networking Considerations https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-per-app-networking-considerations Thank you!=20 Best regards,=20 Shuping > -----Original Message----- > From: tom petch [mailto:ietfc@btconnect.com] > Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2021 8:09 PM > To: Pengshuping (Peng Shuping) ; > draft-per-app-networking-considerations > > Cc: apn@ietf.org; int-area@ietf.org; rtgwg@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Apn] A new draft on APN for your review, thank you! >=20 > From: Int-area on behalf of Pengshuping (Peng > Shuping) > Sent: 22 January 2021 02:08 >=20 > Dear authors, >=20 > We have updated the APN BoF Proposal as attached. The suggestions in your > draft and the >=20 > >=20 > Whatever APN may stand for! I looked at the I-D and the Abstract uses > APN with no explanation of what it is:-( It needs expanding on first use= and > while I could read on and perhaps find an explanation yet the idea is tha= t the > Abstract tells readers whether or not this is of interest to them and thi= s > Abstract does not. The rest of the I-D may be clearer but I am not gong = to > spend time finding out:-) >=20 > Tom Petch >=20 > discussions with you offline inspired us a lot. The support of the user/a= pp > group is explicitly shown in the text although it was implicitly included= . We > have made a lot of efforts on clarifying the scope of the work, introduci= ng > the basic solution, and describing the concrete use case. Please advise > whether we are clear now and how we can improve further, especially on > the privacy concerns. Thank you! >=20 > This posted draft, > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-peng-apn-scope-gap-analysis, > would be able to give you more complete information. Please also refer to > the recent discussions in the archives > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/apn/ if you have not subscribed > the APN mailing list yet. Based on discussions and suggestions we receive= d, > we will update this draft accordingly. Your reviews and comments will be > very much appreciated. >=20 > Thank you! >=20 > Best regards, > Shuping >=20 >=20 >=20 > From: Apn [mailto:apn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pengshuping (Peng > Shuping) > Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 11:12 AM > To: apn@ietf.org; rtgwg@ietf.org > Subject: [Apn] A new draft on APN for your review, thank you! >=20 >=20 > Dear all, >=20 >=20 >=20 > A new draft on APN has been posted, > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-peng-apn-scope-gap-analysis. >=20 >=20 >=20 > In this draft, we clarified the scope of the APN work in IETF, introduced= an > example use case and the basic solution. Moreover, we compared with the > existing "similar" work/solutions and did corresponding gap analysis. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Your review and comments are very much appreciated. Thank you! >=20 >=20 >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Shuping >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, draft-peng-apn-scope-gap-analysis-00.txt >=20 > has been successfully submitted by Shuping Peng and posted to the IETF > repository. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Name: draft-peng-apn-scope-gap-analysis >=20 > Revision: 00 >=20 > Title: APN Scope and Gap Analysis >=20 > Document date: 2020-12-16 >=20 > Group: Individual Submission >=20 > Pages: 11 >=20 > URL: > https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-peng-apn-scope-gap-analysis-00.txt >=20 > Status: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-peng-apn-scope-gap-analysis/ >=20 > Htmlized: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-peng-apn-scope-gap-analysis >=20 > Htmlized: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-peng-apn-scope-gap-analysis-00 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Abstract: >=20 > The APN work in IETF is focused on developing a framework and set of >=20 > mechanisms to derive, convey and use an identifier to allow for >=20 > implementing fine-grain user-, application-, and service-level >=20 > requirements at the network layer. 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X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2021 18:29:14 -0000 Shuping,=20 Some comments to the draft-peng-apn-scope-gap-analysis-00: I find Page 4 last sentence really hit the key purpose of APN: at the heade= nd to steer into corresponding path, at the midpoint to collect correspondi= ng performance measurement data, and at the service function to execute par= ticular policies. But all the labels and IDs described in Section 6 are for homogeneous netwo= rk, APN ID is supposed to achieve the above purposes through different node= s.=20 Is my understanding correct? If yes, I recommend to write those key points= in the Abstract and Introduction to make it more clear to people.=20 The document stated in several places that APN Identifier is a Structured v= alue. What structure is the APN ID? Can the APN ID be mapped into the lab= els described in Section 6? i.e. the SFC Service ID, Binding SID, FlowSpec = Label, etc?=20 Some minor comments: Section 6.1: IPv6 flow label is manipulated by application themselves. Net= work can not make changes to them, nor can network know the meaning of the = flow labels inserted by the Applications (unless the Application controller= has signals to the network controllers) Linda -----Original Message----- From: Apn On Behalf Of Pengshuping (Peng Shuping) Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2021 1:50 AM To: tom petch ; draft-per-app-networking-consideration= s Cc: apn@ietf.org; int-area@ietf.org; rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Apn] A new draft on APN for your review, thank you! Dear Tom, Thank you for your interest!=20 First of all, APN stands for Application-aware Networking I had attached a APN BoF proposal document in my last email but probably it= was too big to be delivered successfully. The APN6 was also introduced in = this draft in the intarea WG (https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.co= m/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftools.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-per-app-networking-con= siderations&data=3D04%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7C8aa274f07f8= a42fe274b08d8c03cbfa5%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C63747071= 4463026426%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJB= TiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=3DAPYvMROCre177UK3puGuTPHB%2Ffo= yGTWWXFedDS6ZNHw%3D&reserved=3D0). Sorry for any confusions caused.=20 Please find the APN BoF proposal in the IETF wiki for more information.=20 https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftrac.to= ols.ietf.org%2Fbof%2Ftrac%2Fwiki%2FWikiStart&data=3D04%7C01%7Clinda.dun= bar%40futurewei.com%7C8aa274f07f8a42fe274b08d8c03cbfa5%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c= 753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637470714463026426%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjo= iMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdat= a=3DMqJnzeO5AJDOaZrouSSgE%2B0qpNOOcnuQ7f7Fw8rUnK0%3D&reserved=3D0 The archived discussions in this APN mailing list can be found here.=20 https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fmailarc= hive.ietf.org%2Farch%2Fbrowse%2Fapn%2F&data=3D04%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40= futurewei.com%7C8aa274f07f8a42fe274b08d8c03cbfa5%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d= 5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637470714463026426%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wL= 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000&sdata=3DDdibzIJhpoDJpMKuI9VMn%2FtCnOqaEnqo%2BmTkv1wReOg%3D&rese= rved=3D0 Thank you!=20 Best regards, Shuping > -----Original Message----- > From: tom petch [mailto:ietfc@btconnect.com] > Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2021 8:09 PM > To: Pengshuping (Peng Shuping) ;=20 > draft-per-app-networking-considerations > > Cc: apn@ietf.org; int-area@ietf.org; rtgwg@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Apn] A new draft on APN for your review, thank you! >=20 > From: Int-area on behalf of Pengshuping=20 > (Peng > Shuping) > Sent: 22 January 2021 02:08 >=20 > Dear authors, >=20 > We have updated the APN BoF Proposal as attached. The suggestions in=20 > your draft and the >=20 > >=20 > Whatever APN may stand for! I looked at the I-D and the Abstract uses=20 > APN with no explanation of what it is:-( It needs expanding on first=20 > use and while I could read on and perhaps find an explanation yet the=20 > idea is that the Abstract tells readers whether or not this is of=20 > interest to them and this Abstract does not. The rest of the I-D may=20 > be clearer but I am not gong to spend time finding out:-) >=20 > Tom Petch >=20 > discussions with you offline inspired us a lot. The support of the=20 > user/app group is explicitly shown in the text although it was=20 > implicitly included. We have made a lot of efforts on clarifying the=20 > scope of the work, introducing the basic solution, and describing the=20 > concrete use case. Please advise whether we are clear now and how we=20 > can improve further, especially on the privacy concerns. Thank you! >=20 > This posted draft, > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdata > tracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-peng-apn-scope-gap-analysis& > data=3D04%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7C8aa274f07f8a42fe274b08d8 > c03cbfa5%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C6374707144630364 > 22%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI > 6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=3DsnNr80f38d4QiUx1UtvKMwAXm5GHQ > 4IgoiJDwU0Wo5Y%3D&reserved=3D0, would be able to give you more=20 > complete information. Please also refer to the recent discussions in=20 > the archives > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fmail > archive.ietf.org%2Farch%2Fbrowse%2Fapn%2F&data=3D04%7C01%7Clinda.dun > bar%40futurewei.com%7C8aa274f07f8a42fe274b08d8c03cbfa5%7C0fee8ff2a3b24 > 0189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637470714463036422%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8= eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&a= mp;sdata=3DOujoFq5BkZzTJcNAvjj8zHJf2xt7BiAd0pq24%2FU4%2FLE%3D&reserved= =3D0 if you have not subscribed the APN mailing list yet. Based on discussi= ons and suggestions we received, we will update this draft accordingly. You= r reviews and comments will be very much appreciated. >=20 > Thank you! >=20 > Best regards, > Shuping >=20 >=20 >=20 > From: Apn [mailto:apn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pengshuping (Peng > Shuping) > Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 11:12 AM > To: apn@ietf.org; rtgwg@ietf.org > Subject: [Apn] A new draft on APN for your review, thank you! >=20 >=20 > Dear all, >=20 >=20 >=20 > A new draft on APN has been posted, > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdatat= racker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-peng-apn-scope-gap-analysis&data= =3D04%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7C8aa274f07f8a42fe274b08d8c03cbfa= 5%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637470714463036422%7CUnknown= %7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6= Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=3DsnNr80f38d4QiUx1UtvKMwAXm5GHQ4IgoiJDwU0Wo5Y%3D&am= p;reserved=3D0. >=20 >=20 >=20 > In this draft, we clarified the scope of the APN work in IETF,=20 > introduced an example use case and the basic solution. Moreover, we=20 > compared with the existing "similar" work/solutions and did corresponding= gap analysis. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Your review and comments are very much appreciated. Thank you! >=20 >=20 >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Shuping >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, draft-peng-apn-scope-gap-analysis-00.txt >=20 > has been successfully submitted by Shuping Peng and posted to the IETF=20 > repository. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Name: draft-peng-apn-scope-gap-analysis >=20 > Revision: 00 >=20 > Title: APN Scope and Gap Analysis >=20 > Document date: 2020-12-16 >=20 > Group: Individual Submission >=20 > Pages: 11 >=20 > URL: > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww. > ietf.org%2Farchive%2Fid%2Fdraft-peng-apn-scope-gap-analysis-00.txt& > ;data=3D04%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7C8aa274f07f8a42fe274b08d > 8c03cbfa5%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637470714463036 > 422%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTi > I6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=3D7mqepW8aF1FkP9Yf4uldFoEooDoa > k%2BmmNLzEZlMj2RY%3D&reserved=3D0 >=20 > Status: > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdata > tracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-peng-apn-scope-gap-analysis%2F&data > =3D04%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7C8aa274f07f8a42fe274b08d8c03c > bfa5%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637470714463036422%7 > CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1 > haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=3DKVYBICPA%2FgvgBtn6vv3VaaypRavG8V% > 2F2ZoSJfULGGLQ%3D&reserved=3D0 >=20 > Htmlized: > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdata > tracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-peng-apn-scope-gap-analysis& > data=3D04%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7C8aa274f07f8a42fe274b08d8 > c03cbfa5%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C6374707144630464 > 21%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI > 6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=3DvUrvPtT9Oj3yHtleUAeljP1JeQ3Hr > uTVz2hktBxulJk%3D&reserved=3D0 >=20 > Htmlized: > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftool > s.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-peng-apn-scope-gap-analysis-00&data=3D04%7 > C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7C8aa274f07f8a42fe274b08d8c03cbfa5% > 7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637470714463046421%7CUnkn > own%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwi > LCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=3DNLKsZz6esqGO6eUhLqp2hUoMstG1wds60HNYtj > Gvi90%3D&reserved=3D0 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Abstract: >=20 > The APN work in IETF is focused on developing a framework and set=20 > of >=20 > mechanisms to derive, convey and use an identifier to allow for >=20 > implementing fine-grain user-, application-, and service-level >=20 > requirements at the network layer. This document describes the=20 > scope >=20 > of the APN work and the solution gap analysis. >=20 >=20 -- Apn mailing list Apn@ietf.org https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.iet= f.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fapn&data=3D04%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40future= wei.com%7C8aa274f07f8a42fe274b08d8c03cbfa5%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fe= dc%7C1%7C0%7C637470714463046421%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDA= iLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=3Dhe1%2F62= XzA9JgoJd%2BKD%2FKZzGmksmKXNG4e03FeuYK8m0%3D&reserved=3D0 From nobody Mon Jan 25 20:13:37 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: int-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6058F3A1B9D; Mon, 25 Jan 2021 20:13:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GJ0LyKM5HAbb; Mon, 25 Jan 2021 20:13:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from frasgout.his.huawei.com (frasgout.his.huawei.com [185.176.79.56]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E16A73A1B9C; Mon, 25 Jan 2021 20:13:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from fraeml740-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.147.200]) by frasgout.his.huawei.com (SkyGuard) with ESMTP id 4DPtYT54Cbz67hpC; Tue, 26 Jan 2021 12:10:05 +0800 (CST) Received: from fraeml740-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.221) by fraeml740-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.221) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.2106.2; Tue, 26 Jan 2021 05:13:23 +0100 Received: from DGGEML404-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.3.17.39) by fraeml740-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.221) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA) id 15.1.2106.2 via Frontend Transport; Tue, 26 Jan 2021 05:13:22 +0100 Received: from DGGEML512-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.2.224]) by DGGEML404-HUB.china.huawei.com ([fe80::b177:a243:7a69:5ab8%31]) with mapi id 14.03.0509.000; Tue, 26 Jan 2021 12:13:20 +0800 From: "Pengshuping (Peng Shuping)" To: Linda Dunbar , tom petch , draft-per-app-networking-considerations CC: "apn@ietf.org" , "int-area@ietf.org" , "rtgwg@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Apn] A new draft on APN for your review, thank you! Thread-Index: AdbSj5OZJp0yHZz0SGiKnve9MVZvEAdzGJnwAEkAdiAAKPws4AA4PxkAACMcBaA= Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 04:13:20 +0000 Message-ID: <4278D47A901B3041A737953BAA078ADE1982E19B@dggeml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: <4278D47A901B3041A737953BAA078ADE196CCA02@DGGEML532-MBX.china.huawei.com>, <4278D47A901B3041A737953BAA078ADE19806DB2@DGGEML532-MBX.china.huawei.com> <4278D47A901B3041A737953BAA078ADE19821F72@dggeml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.46.25.185] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Int-area] [Apn] A new draft on APN for your review, thank you! X-BeenThere: int-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Internet Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 04:13:30 -0000 Dear Linda,=20 Your suggestions are very good. I have updated the draft and uploaded it to= the APN Github. Please feel free to make any further changes. Thank you! https://github.com/APN-Community/APN-Scope-Gap-Analysis Please find some more comments in line below.=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Linda Dunbar [mailto:linda.dunbar@futurewei.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 2:29 AM > To: Pengshuping (Peng Shuping) ; tom petch > ; draft-per-app-networking-considerations > > Cc: apn@ietf.org; int-area@ietf.org; rtgwg@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [Apn] A new draft on APN for your review, thank you! >=20 > Shuping, >=20 > Some comments to the draft-peng-apn-scope-gap-analysis-00: >=20 > I find Page 4 last sentence really hit the key purpose of APN: at the hea= dend > to steer into corresponding path, at the midpoint to collect correspondin= g > performance measurement data, and at the service function to execute > particular policies. > But all the labels and IDs described in Section 6 are for homogeneous > network, APN ID is supposed to achieve the above purposes through > different nodes. >=20 > Is my understanding correct? If yes, I recommend to write those key poin= ts > in the Abstract and Introduction to make it more clear to people. >=20 Yes, it is correct. Your suggestions are great. I have explicitly put these= information in the Abstract and Introduction. Please make further changes = wherever needed. Thank you! > The document stated in several places that APN Identifier is a Structured > value. What structure is the APN ID? Can the APN ID be mapped into the > labels described in Section 6? i.e. the SFC Service ID, Binding SID, Flow= Spec > Label, etc? The APN ID structure design proposal and its encapsulation in IPv6 data pla= ne are introduced in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-li-6man-app-aware-ip= v6-network-02. More description is added in the updated version of the draf= t. The APN ID can be used to serve the functional purpose of all these labe= ls. >=20 > Some minor comments: > Section 6.1: IPv6 flow label is manipulated by application themselves. > Network can not make changes to them, nor can network know the meaning > of the flow labels inserted by the Applications (unless the Application > controller has signals to the network controllers) >=20 Yes, it is right. Just as far as I know, when the packets go into a tunnel,= e.g. SRv6, generally the IPv6 flow label will be recalculated and encapsul= ated. Best regards,=20 Shuping >=20 > Linda >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Apn On Behalf Of Pengshuping (Peng > Shuping) > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2021 1:50 AM > To: tom petch ; > draft-per-app-networking-considerations > > Cc: apn@ietf.org; int-area@ietf.org; rtgwg@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Apn] A new draft on APN for your review, thank you! >=20 > Dear Tom, >=20 > Thank you for your interest! >=20 > First of all, APN stands for Application-aware Networking >=20 > I had attached a APN BoF proposal document in my last email but probably = it > was too big to be delivered successfully. The APN6 was also introduced in > this draft in the intarea WG > (https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftoo > ls.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-per-app-networking-considerations&data=3D > 04%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7C8aa274f07f8a42fe274b08d > 8c03cbfa5%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C6374707 > 14463026426%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJ > QIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=3DAPY > vMROCre177UK3puGuTPHB%2FfoyGTWWXFedDS6ZNHw%3D&reserve > d=3D0). Sorry for any confusions caused. >=20 > Please find the APN BoF proposal in the IETF wiki for more information. > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftrac. > tools.ietf.org%2Fbof%2Ftrac%2Fwiki%2FWikiStart&data=3D04%7C01%7Cl > inda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7C8aa274f07f8a42fe274b08d8c03cbfa5%7 > C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637470714463026426 > %7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiL > CJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=3DMqJnzeO5AJDOaZ > rouSSgE%2B0qpNOOcnuQ7f7Fw8rUnK0%3D&reserved=3D0 >=20 > The archived discussions in this APN mailing list can be found here. > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fmail > archive.ietf.org%2Farch%2Fbrowse%2Fapn%2F&data=3D04%7C01%7Clin > da.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7C8aa274f07f8a42fe274b08d8c03cbfa5%7C0 > fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637470714463026426% > 7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLC > 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The suggestions in > > your draft and the > > > > > > > > Whatever APN may stand for! I looked at the I-D and the Abstract uses > > APN with no explanation of what it is:-( It needs expanding on first > > use and while I could read on and perhaps find an explanation yet the > > idea is that the Abstract tells readers whether or not this is of > > interest to them and this Abstract does not. The rest of the I-D may > > be clearer but I am not gong to spend time finding out:-) > > > > Tom Petch > > > > discussions with you offline inspired us a lot. The support of the > > user/app group is explicitly shown in the text although it was > > implicitly included. We have made a lot of efforts on clarifying the > > scope of the work, introducing the basic solution, and describing the > > concrete use case. Please advise whether we are clear now and how we > > can improve further, especially on the privacy concerns. Thank you! > > > > This posted draft, > > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdata > > > tracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-peng-apn-scope-gap-analysis& > ; > > > data=3D04%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7C8aa274f07f8a42fe27 > 4b08d8 > > > c03cbfa5%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C63747071 > 44630364 > > > 22%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luM > zIiLCJBTiI > > > 6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=3DsnNr80f38d4QiUx1UtvK > MwAXm5GHQ > > 4IgoiJDwU0Wo5Y%3D&reserved=3D0, would be able to give you more > > complete information. Please also refer to the recent discussions in > > the archives > > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fmail > > > archive.ietf.org%2Farch%2Fbrowse%2Fapn%2F&data=3D04%7C01%7Clin > da.dun > > > bar%40futurewei.com%7C8aa274f07f8a42fe274b08d8c03cbfa5%7C0fee8ff > 2a3b24 > > > 0189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637470714463036422%7CUnknown% > 7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haW > wiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=3DOujoFq5BkZzTJcNAvjj8zHJf2xt7Bi > Ad0pq24%2FU4%2FLE%3D&reserved=3D0 if you have not subscribed the > APN mailing list yet. Based on discussions and suggestions we received, w= e > will update this draft accordingly. Your reviews and comments will be ver= y > much appreciated. > > > > Thank you! > > > > Best regards, > > Shuping > > > > > > > > From: Apn [mailto:apn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pengshuping (Peng > > Shuping) > > Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 11:12 AM > > To: apn@ietf.org; rtgwg@ietf.org > > Subject: [Apn] A new draft on APN for your review, thank you! > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > A new draft on APN has been posted, > > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdata > tracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-peng-apn-scope-gap-analysis& > ;data=3D04%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7C8aa274f07f8a42fe2 > 74b08d8c03cbfa5%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C6 > 37470714463036422%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwM > DAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sda > ta=3DsnNr80f38d4QiUx1UtvKMwAXm5GHQ4IgoiJDwU0Wo5Y%3D&reserv > ed=3D0. > > > > > > > > In this draft, we clarified the scope of the APN work in IETF, > > introduced an example use case and the basic solution. Moreover, we > > compared with the existing "similar" work/solutions and did correspondi= ng > gap analysis. > > > > > > > > Your review and comments are very much appreciated. Thank you! > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Shuping > > > > > > > > > > > > A new version of I-D, draft-peng-apn-scope-gap-analysis-00.txt > > > > has been successfully submitted by Shuping Peng and posted to the IETF > > repository. > > > > > > > > Name: draft-peng-apn-scope-gap-analysis > > > > Revision: 00 > > > > Title: APN Scope and Gap Analysis > > > > Document date: 2020-12-16 > > > > Group: Individual Submission > > > > Pages: 11 > > > > URL: > > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fww > w. > > > ietf.org%2Farchive%2Fid%2Fdraft-peng-apn-scope-gap-analysis-00.txt& > > ;data=3D04%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7C8aa274f07f8a42fe > 274b08d > > > 8c03cbfa5%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C6374707 > 14463036 > > > 422%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2lu > MzIiLCJBTi > > > I6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=3D7mqepW8aF1FkP9Yf4ul > dFoEooDoa > > k%2BmmNLzEZlMj2RY%3D&reserved=3D0 > > > > Status: > > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdata > > > tracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-peng-apn-scope-gap-analysis%2F&dat > a > > > =3D04%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7C8aa274f07f8a42fe274b08 > d8c03c > > > bfa5%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637470714463 > 036422%7 > > > CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJ > BTiI6Ik1 > > > haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=3DKVYBICPA%2FgvgBtn6vv3Va > aypRavG8V% > > 2F2ZoSJfULGGLQ%3D&reserved=3D0 > > > > Htmlized: > > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdata > > > tracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-peng-apn-scope-gap-analysis& > ; > > > data=3D04%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7C8aa274f07f8a42fe27 > 4b08d8 > > > c03cbfa5%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C63747071 > 44630464 > > > 21%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luM > zIiLCJBTiI > > > 6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=3DvUrvPtT9Oj3yHtleUAeljP > 1JeQ3Hr > > uTVz2hktBxulJk%3D&reserved=3D0 > > > > Htmlized: > > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftool > > > s.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-peng-apn-scope-gap-analysis-00&data=3D04% > 7 > > > C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7C8aa274f07f8a42fe274b08d8c03 > cbfa5% > > > 7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C63747071446304642 > 1%7CUnkn > > > own%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik > 1haWwi > > > LCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=3DNLKsZz6esqGO6eUhLqp2hUoMstG1 > wds60HNYtj > > Gvi90%3D&reserved=3D0 > > > > > > > > > > > > Abstract: > > > > The APN work in IETF is focused on developing a framework and set > > of > > > > mechanisms to derive, convey and use an identifier to allow for > > > > implementing fine-grain user-, application-, and service-level > > > > requirements at the network layer. 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