From nobody Mon Jan 4 07:05:18 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D269A1A8961 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2016 07:05:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.582 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.582 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6Wl_Xgluj0ly for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2016 07:05:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from oxalide-out.extra.cea.fr (oxalide-out.extra.cea.fr [132.168.224.8]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2EA7F1A895E for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2016 07:05:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by oxalide.extra.cea.fr (8.15.2/8.15.2/CEAnet-Internet-out-2.4) with ESMTP id u04F58nA023458 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2016 16:05:08 +0100 Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id A74C720116C for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2016 16:12:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from muguet2.intra.cea.fr (muguet2.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.7]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96218200DD0 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2016 16:12:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.8.34.184] (is227335.intra.cea.fr [10.8.34.184]) by muguet2.intra.cea.fr (8.15.2/8.15.2/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.4) with ESMTP id u04F58lF026388 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2016 16:05:08 +0100 To: "its@ietf.org" From: Alexandre Petrescu Message-ID: <568A8A23.7070705@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 16:05:07 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090509030104010606010007" Archived-At: Subject: [its] proposed agenda for BoF in Buenos Aires X-BeenThere: its@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: ITS at IETF discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2016 15:05:18 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090509030104010606010007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello ITSers, I would like to propose the following agenda for discussion during BoF in Buenos Aires: 2-hour slot: - tutorial of IP in vehicular communications - ITS use-cases C-ACC and Platooning - ITS problem statement drafts: V2V, V2I, DNS, security - solution space - SDO relationships - 45minutes discussion. Alex --------------090509030104010606010007 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello ITSers,

I would like to propose the following agenda for discussion during BoF in Buenos Aires:

2-hour slot:
- tutorial of IP in vehicular communications
- ITS use-cases C-ACC and Platooning
- ITS problem statement drafts: V2V, V2I, DNS, security
- solution space
- SDO relationships
- 45minutes discussion.

Alex
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Alex Le 04/01/2016 16:07, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) a écrit : > Hi Alex, > > Is this planned to be a WG-forming BOF? > > Thanks and Regards, > > Dan > > *From:*its [mailto:its-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Alexandre Petrescu > *Sent:* Monday, January 04, 2016 5:05 PM > *To:* its@ietf.org > *Subject:* [its] proposed agenda for BoF in Buenos Aires > > Hello ITSers, > > I would like to propose the following agenda for discussion during BoF > in Buenos Aires: > > 2-hour slot: > - tutorial of IP in vehicular communications > - ITS use-cases C-ACC and Platooning > - ITS problem statement drafts: V2V, V2I, DNS, security > - solution space > - SDO relationships > - 45minutes discussion. > > Alex > From nobody Mon Jan 4 07:19:12 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90D401A897F for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2016 07:19:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q6K-AtnE5MOR for ; 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Mon, 4 Jan 2016 16:42:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from muguet2.intra.cea.fr (muguet2.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.7]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 663722041F3; Mon, 4 Jan 2016 16:42:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.8.34.184] (is227335.intra.cea.fr [10.8.34.184]) by muguet2.intra.cea.fr (8.15.2/8.15.2/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.4) with ESMTP id u04FYs2N028471; Mon, 4 Jan 2016 16:34:55 +0100 To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" References: <568A8A23.7070705@gmail.com> <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA6BEDAC05@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> <568A8B95.4080502@gmail.com> <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA6BEDACF0@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> From: Alexandre Petrescu Message-ID: <568A911E.5040909@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 16:34:54 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA6BEDACF0@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: "its@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [its] proposed agenda for BoF in Buenos Aires X-BeenThere: its@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: ITS at IETF discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2016 15:35:02 -0000 In this case, the agenda should be like this: 2-hour slot: - tutorial of IP in vehicular communications - ITS use-cases C-ACC and Platooning - ITS problem statement drafts: V2V, V2I, DNS, security - solution space - SDO relationships - Charter proposal - 30minutes discussion. Yours, Alex Le 04/01/2016 16:19, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) a écrit : > Than we should reserve some time for discussing a charter proposal, > or explicitly make it part of the 45 minutes slot. A charter draft > should be in place and discussed on the list before the IAB and IESG > meet to approve the BOF. > > Regards, > > Dan > > >> -----Original Message----- From: Alexandre Petrescu >> [mailto:alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 04, >> 2016 5:11 PM To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) Cc: its@ietf.org Subject: Re: >> [its] proposed agenda for BoF in Buenos Aires >> >> Yes. >> >> Alex >> >> Le 04/01/2016 16:07, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) a écrit : >>> Hi Alex, >>> >>> Is this planned to be a WG-forming BOF? >>> >>> Thanks and Regards, >>> >>> Dan >>> >>> *From:*its [mailto:its-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of >>> *Alexandre Petrescu *Sent:* Monday, January 04, 2016 5:05 PM >>> *To:* its@ietf.org *Subject:* [its] proposed agenda for BoF in >>> Buenos Aires >>> >>> Hello ITSers, >>> >>> I would like to propose the following agenda for discussion >>> during BoF in Buenos Aires: >>> >>> 2-hour slot: - tutorial of IP in vehicular communications - ITS >>> use-cases C-ACC and Platooning - ITS problem statement drafts: >>> V2V, V2I, DNS, security - solution space - SDO relationships - >>> 45minutes discussion. >>> >>> Alex >>> From nobody Mon Jan 4 10:08:50 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37DE81A9055 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2016 10:08:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uXGAq_OQCFR3 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2016 10:08:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from odin.smetech.net (x-bolt-wan.smeinc.net [209.135.219.146]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C239C1A9054 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2016 10:08:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (unknown [209.135.209.5]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FDF19A4074; Mon, 4 Jan 2016 13:08:46 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([209.135.209.4]) by localhost (ronin.smeinc.net [209.135.209.5]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1qoqRj95jtfY; Mon, 4 Jan 2016 13:07:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.2.104] (pool-108-51-128-219.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.51.128.219]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2635F9A404E; Mon, 4 Jan 2016 13:08:46 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-58--970179781 From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <568A8A23.7070705@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 13:08:26 -0500 Message-Id: References: <568A8A23.7070705@gmail.com> To: Alexandre Petrescu X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Archived-At: Cc: "its@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [its] proposed agenda for BoF in Buenos Aires X-BeenThere: its@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: ITS at IETF discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2016 18:08:48 -0000 --Apple-Mail-58--970179781 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If you want to for a WG, then there needs to be presentation and = discussion of a draft charter. Russ On Jan 4, 2016, at 10:05 AM, Alexandre Petrescu wrote: > Hello ITSers, >=20 > I would like to propose the following agenda for discussion during BoF = in Buenos Aires: >=20 > 2-hour slot: > - tutorial of IP in vehicular communications > - ITS use-cases C-ACC and Platooning > - ITS problem statement drafts: V2V, V2I, DNS, security > - solution space > - SDO relationships > - 45minutes discussion. >=20 > Alex --Apple-Mail-58--970179781 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii If you want to for a WG, then there needs to be presentation and discussion of a draft charter.

Russ


On Jan 4, 2016, at 10:05 AM, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:

Hello ITSers,

I would like to propose the following agenda for discussion during BoF in Buenos Aires:

2-hour slot:
- tutorial of IP in vehicular communications
- ITS use-cases C-ACC and Platooning
- ITS problem statement drafts: V2V, V2I, DNS, security
- solution space
- SDO relationships
- 45minutes discussion.

Alex

--Apple-Mail-58--970179781-- From nobody Mon Jan 4 23:33:51 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C6B11B2C12 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2016 23:33:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.983 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.983 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4XNcMtrLBhss for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2016 23:33:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from cirse-out.extra.cea.fr (cirse-out.extra.cea.fr [132.167.192.142]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8ECD11B2C0F for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2016 23:33:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by cirse.extra.cea.fr (8.15.2/8.15.2/CEAnet-Internet-out-2.4) with ESMTP id u057XkPa011253; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 08:33:46 +0100 Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 46C0F200EED; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 08:41:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from muguet2.intra.cea.fr (muguet2.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.7]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 317E02022C0; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 08:41:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.8.34.184] (is227335.intra.cea.fr [10.8.34.184]) by muguet2.intra.cea.fr (8.15.2/8.15.2/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.4) with ESMTP id u057XjMV012433; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 08:33:45 +0100 To: Russ Housley References: <568A8A23.7070705@gmail.com> From: Alexandre Petrescu Message-ID: <568B71D9.8060105@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 08:33:45 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: "its@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [its] proposed agenda for BoF in Buenos Aires X-BeenThere: its@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: ITS at IETF discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 07:33:50 -0000 Le 04/01/2016 19:08, Russ Housley a crit : > If you want to for a WG, then there needs to be presentation and > discussion of a draft charter. Yes, the agenda should include a discussion of the Charter proposal, see below. I will soon post the charter proposal on the email list as well. 2-hour slot: - tutorial of IP in vehicular communications - ITS use-cases C-ACC and Platooning - ITS problem statement drafts: V2V, V2I, DNS, security - solution space - SDO relationships - Charter proposal - 30minutes discussion. Alex > > Russ > > > On Jan 4, 2016, at 10:05 AM, Alexandre Petrescu wrote: > >> Hello ITSers, >> >> I would like to propose the following agenda for discussion during BoF >> in Buenos Aires: >> >> 2-hour slot: >> - tutorial of IP in vehicular communications >> - ITS use-cases C-ACC and Platooning >> - ITS problem statement drafts: V2V, V2I, DNS, security >> - solution space >> - SDO relationships >> - 45minutes discussion. >> >> Alex > From nobody Tue Jan 5 00:44:04 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4955D1B2CA2 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 00:44:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.983 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.983 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fvYSfBgI6U3a for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 00:43:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from sainfoin-out.extra.cea.fr (sainfoin-out.extra.cea.fr [132.167.192.145]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 21E111B2CA0 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 00:43:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by sainfoin.extra.cea.fr (8.15.2/8.15.2/CEAnet-Internet-out-2.4) with ESMTP id u058hudE029534 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 09:43:56 +0100 Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 19608202262 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 09:51:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from muguet2.intra.cea.fr (muguet2.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.7]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FC14200E86 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 09:51:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.8.34.184] (is227335.intra.cea.fr [10.8.34.184]) by muguet2.intra.cea.fr (8.15.2/8.15.2/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.4) with ESMTP id u058huhN018051 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 09:43:56 +0100 To: its@ietf.org References: <568A8A23.7070705@gmail.com> <568B71D9.8060105@gmail.com> From: Alexandre Petrescu Message-ID: <568B824C.801@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 09:43:56 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <568B71D9.8060105@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [its] draft charter (was: proposed agenda for BoF in Buenos Aires) X-BeenThere: its@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: ITS at IETF discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 08:44:02 -0000 Hello, This is the draft charter for ITS. It is an improvement of an earlier version, including recent events and comments. Comments? Alex ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Intelligent Transportation Systems Charter January 5th, 2016 http://ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/its Intelligent Transportation Systems (its) ---------------------------------------- Current Status: WG forming Chairs: TBD Assigned Area Director: TBD Mailing list Address: its@ietf.org To Subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/its Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/its/current/maillist.html Additional web page TBD Charter: Goal ---- The goal of this group is to standardize IP protocols for establishing direct and secure connectivity between a few vehicles in close range, and between a vehicle and the immediate infrastructure. Intro ----- Automobiles and vehicles of all types are increasingly connected to the Internet. Entertainment apps enhancing comfort, reliable data exchanges for road safety, and automated driving, are commonly seen as winning sale arguments for automobiles to hit the roads from now to year 2020. Emergency apps for new instrumented ambulances carry many benefits both to the users and to society in general. Why IP? ------- Whereas the Vehicle-to-Internet technologies are considered completed and deployed in automobiles currently on the roads (e.g. car tethering through driver's cellular smartphone, live traffic data displayed on the dashboard, - use of NAT/DHCP and potentially Mobile IP), the Vehicle-to-Vehicle and Vehicle-to-Infrastructure communications are still in an infancy stage: primitive link-specific data exchanges are limited to a non-harmonized set of applications, such as ETSI's CAM/DENM presence signalling; worse, some link-specific messages exhibit behaviour assimilated to IP behaviour but the systems are incompatible with the Internet without involving specific gatewaying. The industry needs to employ IP data exchanges between vehicles, and between vehicles and the immediate infrastructure, rather than link-specific exchanges, in order to benefit from advantages such as (1) short delays, (2) fast forwarding through short paths of dumb routers (2) ease of reusing of a huge number of a desktop Internet applications in a vehicular environment (extend the Internet to mobile platforms). Scenarios? ---------- Some of the scenarios needing IP V2V communications are: Cooperative Adaptive Cruise Control and Platooning of vehicles. In the emergency landscape other applications exhibiting a need for V2V comms are also important: virtual siren - emergency vehicle multicasting a radio warning to nearby vehicles to make place. For V2Infra (Vehicle-to-Infrastructure) some scenarios involve the signalling of road state and traffic between the vehicle and stations deployed along the road. How are V2V (and V2Infra) vs V2Internet? ---------------------------------------- Establishing direct and secure IP connectivity between a few vehicles in close range, or between a vehicle and the immadiate infrastructure, is the goal of this group. V2V and V2Infra are different than simply connecting a vehicle to the Internet (V2Internet). Because V2V needs a peer-to-peer manner of IP route establishment between equally-potent Routers in vehicles (or between a Router and a station along the road), in such a way to not disturb the V2Internet communications already in place. This peer-to-peer manner of connectivity establishment for V2V and V2Infra is similar to Neighbor Discovery protocol behaviour; the manner of connectivity establishment in V2Internet with protocols such as DHCP, ppp and Mobile IP exhibits more a client-server behaviour. Moreover, if only the existing V2Internet protocols are used to connect two nearby vehicles to the Internet (or a vehicle to the immediate infrastructure), the delay of direct communication between these two vehicles is unacceptably long. What kind of solutions? ----------------------- The current technical solutions considered to achieve IP V2V communications are of two kinds: IP routing protocols for n-hop path management between vehicles and 1-hop link-scoped IP protocol enhancements. The 1-hop link-scoped protocols include the protocols for route establishment involving ICMP Router Advertisements. The n-hop path management protocols include n-hop path establishment protocols (e.g. Babel, OSPF) and n-hop path search protocols (most notably AODV and derivates). When geonetworking protocols for communication between vehicles are considered there is however a concern in sending IPv6 packets over the current ETSI geonetworking protocols, with risks of the channel being swamped due to inefficiencies of the protocol, or simply due to communication abuse. What kind of requirements? -------------------------- The requirements for mechanisms for V2V and V2Infra are focusing on low delays of the data paths, reduced number of messages for path establishment, application friendly, resilience to attacks, compatibility with V2Internet. In addition, since the keyhole applications C-ACC, Platooning and virtual siren involve IP multicast mechanisms the 1-hop IP V2V paths will gracefully support IP multicast. Due to the inherent characteristics of safety-related communications, all new V2V mechanisms must afford authenticity and confidentiality where necessary. Dynamically establishing ephemeral communication paths between automobiles in public areas must offer privacy safeguards for the end users (passengers). Establishing 1-hop IP V2V paths must not break the existing on-board protocols and applications which communicate with the Internet, possibly via multiple radios. Current version of Internet protocols ------------------------------------- The version of the IP protocol is IPv6 (witness 10% IPv6 penetration as of early 2016, mobile operators evolving to IPv6-only, government IPv6 push, IPv4 exhaust at RIRs); this acommodates the current generation of Internet protocols. For backwards compatibility, IPv4 may be considered as well, but not exclusively. Link-local IPv6 addresses will be used. What SDOs may need this work? ----------------------------- The requirements and standards for an Internet of Vehicles, often involving IPv6, and novel V2V and V2Infra concepts, are developed mainly at ISO TC204 "Intelligent Transport Systems", 3GPP, ETSI, NHTSA and IEEE. For Vehicle-to-Internet communications, 3GPP LTE and other cellular technologies represent the long-range connectivity method; for Vehicle-to-Vehicle communications, LTE Direct is currently specified, as well as OCB mode of IEEE 802.11. Several use-cases exhibit a need for IPv6 data exchanges between vehicles: ETSI's Cooperative Adaptive Cruise Control and Platooning. The IEEE developed a popular link for short-range communications - IEEE 802.11p "WAVE". The NHTSA wrote a set of requirements for V2V communications. Work Items ---------- - use-case and scenarios of C-ACC and Platooning at SDOs - Problem Statement for IP V2V application communications - Security and Privacy Requirements for IP V2V communications - Problem Statement for IP V2Infra communications, including DNS - Potentially new protocol, or protocol extensions for establishing IP paths for 1-hop V2V communications. With MIB and security. Timeline -------- - From nobody Tue Jan 5 04:43:07 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BD8D1B2D47; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 04:43:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.983 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.983 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SsvNbuZiNa4j; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 04:43:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from sainfoin-out.extra.cea.fr (sainfoin-out.extra.cea.fr [132.167.192.145]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CB421B2D24; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 04:43:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by sainfoin.extra.cea.fr (8.15.2/8.15.2/CEAnet-Internet-out-2.4) with ESMTP id u05Ch1oK002510; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 13:43:01 +0100 Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id CB62A2028A6; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 13:50:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from muguet1.intra.cea.fr (muguet1.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.6]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDEDC2028AD; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 13:50:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.8.34.184] (is227335.intra.cea.fr [10.8.34.184]) by muguet1.intra.cea.fr (8.15.2/8.15.2/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.4) with ESMTP id u05Ch1iN009533; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 13:43:01 +0100 To: detnet@ietf.org References: <20151216013950.14660.35543.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Alexandre Petrescu Message-ID: <568BBA55.1060201@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 13:43:01 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20151216013950.14660.35543.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: "its@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [its] V2V of draft-ietf-detnet-use-cases-00.txt X-BeenThere: its@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: ITS at IETF discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 12:43:06 -0000 Hi DetNetters, At its@ietf.org email list we have a V2V use-case. Please discuss V2V there. We try to BoF in Buenos Aires. Examples of V2V use-cases are C-ACC and Platooning. The use of the word low in low-latency for V2V means that going directly it is lower than going through cellular network. It does not necessarily mean guaranteed delivery. > 7.5. Vehicle to Vehicle > > V2V communication has gained more and more attention in the last few > years and will be increasingly growth in the future. Not only > equipped with direct communication system which is short ranged, V2V > communication also requires wireless cellular networks to cover wide > range and more sophisticated services 3GPP (a widely-deployed cellular network) talks "D2D" and sometimes ProSe for Proximity Services. Check: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-petrescu-its-cacc-sdo-04#page-8 > V2V application in the area autonomous driving has very stringent > requirements of latency and reliability. YEs, we described it in the C-ACC and Platooning at SDO draft. draft-petrescu-its-cacc-sdo-04 > It is critical that the timely arrival of information for safety > issues. YEs. But this is guaranteed by the link layer. > In addition, due to the limitation of processing of individual > vehicle, There is no such limitation. Even the entry-level automobiles feature very powerful computers in terms of processing messages coming from the network. Currently, the processing power of computers of vehicles may be limited compared to the processing needed for live scene analysis with data fed by some lidars. But that is not V2V communication. It is on-board communication between lidar and computer. You can improve that with, say, a more recent Ethernet or more recent Intel CPUs. On another hand, in V2V communications one does not even know how to establish 1-hop IP paths. > passing information to the cloud can provide more functions such as > video processing, audio recognition or navigation systems. Yes, we have done that. But this has nothing to do with V2V. It is called Vehicle-to-Internet. There are efforts to improve the latency of Vehicle-to-Internet and that is called 5G. > All of those requirements lead to a highly reliable connectivity to > the cloud. Yes, that is V2Internet. A new link layer may realize a highly reliable connectivity to the cloud. On that link one may use DHCP, PPP and Mobile IP. > On the other hand, it is natural that the provisioning of low latency > communication is one of the main challenges to be overcome as a > result of the high mobility, the high penetration losses caused by > the vehicle itself. What is "high penetration losses caused by the vehicle"? > As result of that, the data transmission with latency below 5ms and > a high reliability of PER below 10E-6 are demanded. Latency and reliability are two different things. Latency can be provided by some mechanisms, whereas reliability by others. They should not be mixed. Again, for V2V, the main problem is to how to get IP communication paths in the first place (before thinking to make them reliable). > It can benefit from the deployment of deterministic networking with > high reliability. ... Alex Le 16/12/2015 02:39, internet-drafts@ietf.org a crit : > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. This draft is a work item of the Deterministic > Networking Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : Deterministic Networking Use Cases Authors : Ethan > Grossman Craig Gunther Pascal Thubert Patrick Wetterwald Jean > Raymond Jouni Korhonen Yu Kaneko Subir Das Yiyong Zha Filename : > draft-ietf-detnet-use-cases-00.txt Pages : 81 Date : > 2015-12-15 > > Abstract: This draft documents requirements in several diverse > industries to establish multi-hop paths for characterized flows with > deterministic properties. In this context deterministic implies that > streams can be established which provide guaranteed bandwidth and > latency which can be established from either a Layer 2 or Layer 3 > (IP) interface, and which can co-exist on an IP network with > best-effort traffic. > > Additional requirements include optional redundant paths, very high > reliability paths, time synchronization, and clock distribution. > Industries considered include wireless for industrial applications, > professional audio, electrical utilities, building automation > systems, radio/mobile access networks, automotive, and gaming. > > For each case, this document will identify the application, identify > representative solutions used today, and what new uses an IETF > DetNet solution may enable. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-detnet-use-cases/ > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-detnet-use-cases-00 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at > tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce mailing > list I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce Internet-Draft > directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > From nobody Wed Jan 6 03:43:58 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 960311ACEE3 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2016 03:43:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.983 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.983 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U9hcQfPH5aYM for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2016 03:43:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from oxalide-out.extra.cea.fr (oxalide-out.extra.cea.fr [132.168.224.8]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 913641ACEE0 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2016 03:43:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by oxalide.extra.cea.fr (8.15.2/8.15.2/CEAnet-Internet-out-2.4) with ESMTP id u06Bhr6d017538 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2016 12:43:53 +0100 Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 0FB68203470 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2016 12:51:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from muguet2.intra.cea.fr (muguet2.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.7]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1067202ED5 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2016 12:51:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.8.34.184] (is227335.intra.cea.fr [10.8.34.184]) by muguet2.intra.cea.fr (8.15.2/8.15.2/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.4) with ESMTP id u06BhqKf017030 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2016 12:43:52 +0100 To: its@ietf.org References: <568A8A23.7070705@gmail.com> <568B71D9.8060105@gmail.com> From: Alexandre Petrescu Message-ID: <568CFDF8.6040802@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 12:43:52 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <568B71D9.8060105@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [its] proposed agenda for BoF in Buenos Aires X-BeenThere: its@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: ITS at IETF discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2016 11:43:57 -0000 Following private feedback - update of the agenda to include a specific item for ISO TC204 needs: 2-hour slot: - tutorial of IP in vehicular communications - ITS use-cases C-ACC and Platooning - ITS problem statement drafts: V2V, V2I, DNS, security - solution space - ISO TC204 needs - Other SDO relationships - Charter proposal - 30minutes discussion. Alex Le 05/01/2016 08:33, Alexandre Petrescu a crit : > > > Le 04/01/2016 19:08, Russ Housley a crit : >> If you want to for a WG, then there needs to be presentation and >> discussion of a draft charter. > > Yes, the agenda should include a discussion of the Charter proposal, see > below. I will soon post the charter proposal on the email list as well. > > 2-hour slot: > - tutorial of IP in vehicular communications > - ITS use-cases C-ACC and Platooning > - ITS problem statement drafts: V2V, V2I, DNS, security > - solution space > - SDO relationships > - Charter proposal > - 30minutes discussion. > > Alex > >> >> Russ >> >> >> On Jan 4, 2016, at 10:05 AM, Alexandre Petrescu wrote: >> >>> Hello ITSers, >>> >>> I would like to propose the following agenda for discussion during BoF >>> in Buenos Aires: >>> >>> 2-hour slot: >>> - tutorial of IP in vehicular communications >>> - ITS use-cases C-ACC and Platooning >>> - ITS problem statement drafts: V2V, V2I, DNS, security >>> - solution space >>> - SDO relationships >>> - 45minutes discussion. >>> >>> Alex >> > > _______________________________________________ > its mailing list > its@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/its > From nobody Wed Jan 6 04:00:48 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17B021ACEF0 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2016 04:00:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.983 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.983 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A7ykulWkqvXc for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2016 04:00:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from oxalide-out.extra.cea.fr (oxalide-out.extra.cea.fr [132.168.224.8]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1527F1A92F4 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2016 04:00:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by oxalide.extra.cea.fr (8.15.2/8.15.2/CEAnet-Internet-out-2.4) with ESMTP id u06C0e04021946 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2016 13:00:40 +0100 Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id A6BD7203482 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2016 13:08:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from muguet2.intra.cea.fr (muguet2.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.7]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C63200C9C for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2016 13:08:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.8.34.184] (is227335.intra.cea.fr [10.8.34.184]) by muguet2.intra.cea.fr (8.15.2/8.15.2/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.4) with ESMTP id u06C0eTU030920 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2016 13:00:40 +0100 To: its@ietf.org References: <568A8A23.7070705@gmail.com> <568B71D9.8060105@gmail.com> <568CFDF8.6040802@gmail.com> From: Alexandre Petrescu Message-ID: <568D01E8.3040700@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 13:00:40 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <568CFDF8.6040802@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [its] For information: IETF to ISO/TC204 "Intelligent Transport Systems" liaison X-BeenThere: its@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: ITS at IETF discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2016 12:00:45 -0000 Hello ITSers at IETF, For your information, after the November meeting in Yokohama, the IETF and ISO/TC204 "Intelligent Transport Systems" finally completed a long standing paperwork - a Category A liaison has been established. On the IETF side I am appointed by the IAB to be the Liaison Manager for ISO/TC204, and the IETF Liaison Shepherd is Russ Housley (IAB member, ex-IETF Chair and our shepherd overall for the ITS activity). On the ISO TC204 side I work closely with Thierry Ernst who is Liaison Officer representing ISO TC204. As an immediate effect I have conditional access to certain ISO TC204 documents - especially those who tell how IPv6 is used in vehicles. Under certain conditions I can share them with IETF members and I can comment to ISO. Yours, Alex From nobody Wed Jan 6 04:43:07 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5051A1B2B24 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2016 04:43:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y6MWwREXZ6Gt for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2016 04:43:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pf0-x230.google.com (mail-pf0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F24571B2A35 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2016 04:43:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pf0-x230.google.com with SMTP id 78so241581379pfw.2 for ; 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charset=us-ascii From: Jong-Hyouk Lee In-Reply-To: <568D01E8.3040700@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 21:42:59 +0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <72273C40-C1AA-49E2-A7EE-401DA94DC6F4@gmail.com> References: <568A8A23.7070705@gmail.com> <568B71D9.8060105@gmail.com> <568CFDF8.6040802@gmail.com> <568D01E8.3040700@gmail.com> To: Alexandre Petrescu X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3112) Archived-At: Cc: its@ietf.org Subject: Re: [its] For information: IETF to ISO/TC204 "Intelligent Transport Systems" liaison X-BeenThere: its@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: ITS at IETF discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2016 12:43:05 -0000 Good news: IETF and ISO have official contact points each other for ITS = activities.=20 J. -- Jong-Hyouk Lee, living somewhere between /dev/null and /dev/random Protocol Engineering Lab., Sangmyung University #email: jonghyouk@gmail.com #webpage: https://sites.google.com/site/hurryon > On Jan 6, 2016, at 9:00 PM, Alexandre Petrescu = wrote: >=20 > Hello ITSers at IETF, >=20 > For your information, after the November meeting in Yokohama, the IETF = and ISO/TC204 "Intelligent Transport Systems" finally completed a long = standing paperwork - a Category A liaison has been established. >=20 > On the IETF side I am appointed by the IAB to be the Liaison Manager = for ISO/TC204, and the IETF Liaison Shepherd is Russ Housley (IAB = member, ex-IETF Chair and our shepherd overall for the ITS activity). >=20 > On the ISO TC204 side I work closely with Thierry Ernst who is Liaison = Officer representing ISO TC204. >=20 > As an immediate effect I have conditional access to certain ISO TC204 = documents - especially those who tell how IPv6 is used in vehicles. = Under certain conditions I can share them with IETF members and I can = comment to ISO. >=20 > Yours, >=20 > Alex >=20 > _______________________________________________ > its mailing list > its@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/its From nobody Tue Jan 26 07:07:39 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A3EB1B2AC4 for ; 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Tue, 26 Jan 2016 16:15:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from muguet2.intra.cea.fr (muguet2.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.7]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17BD620563E for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 16:15:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from [132.166.85.45] ([132.166.85.45]) by muguet2.intra.cea.fr (8.15.2/8.15.2/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.4) with ESMTP id u0QF7XX9025041 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 16:07:34 +0100 To: its@ietf.org References: <568A8A23.7070705@gmail.com> <568B71D9.8060105@gmail.com> <568CFDF8.6040802@gmail.com> From: Alexandre Petrescu Message-ID: <56A78BB5.5040200@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 17:07:33 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <568CFDF8.6040802@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [its] proposed agenda for BoF in Buenos Aires X-BeenThere: its@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: ITS at IETF discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 15:07:39 -0000 Should we split the agenda more precisely? Alex Le 06/01/2016 13:43, Alexandre Petrescu a crit : > Following private feedback - update of the agenda to include a specific > item for ISO TC204 needs: > > 2-hour slot: > - tutorial of IP in vehicular communications > - ITS use-cases C-ACC and Platooning > - ITS problem statement drafts: V2V, V2I, DNS, security > - solution space > - ISO TC204 needs > - Other SDO relationships > - Charter proposal > - 30minutes discussion. > > Alex > > Le 05/01/2016 08:33, Alexandre Petrescu a crit : >> >> >> Le 04/01/2016 19:08, Russ Housley a crit : >>> If you want to for a WG, then there needs to be presentation and >>> discussion of a draft charter. >> >> Yes, the agenda should include a discussion of the Charter proposal, see >> below. I will soon post the charter proposal on the email list as well. >> >> 2-hour slot: >> - tutorial of IP in vehicular communications >> - ITS use-cases C-ACC and Platooning >> - ITS problem statement drafts: V2V, V2I, DNS, security >> - solution space >> - SDO relationships >> - Charter proposal >> - 30minutes discussion. >> >> Alex >> >>> >>> Russ >>> >>> >>> On Jan 4, 2016, at 10:05 AM, Alexandre Petrescu wrote: >>> >>>> Hello ITSers, >>>> >>>> I would like to propose the following agenda for discussion during BoF >>>> in Buenos Aires: >>>> >>>> 2-hour slot: >>>> - tutorial of IP in vehicular communications >>>> - ITS use-cases C-ACC and Platooning >>>> - ITS problem statement drafts: V2V, V2I, DNS, security >>>> - solution space >>>> - SDO relationships >>>> - 45minutes discussion. >>>> >>>> Alex >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> its mailing list >> its@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/its >> > > _______________________________________________ > its mailing list > its@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/its > From nobody Wed Jan 27 02:40:53 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63C491A1B8C for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 02:40:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.983 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.983 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nIxn7xB7C7dI for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 02:40:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from sainfoin-out.extra.cea.fr (sainfoin-out.extra.cea.fr [132.167.192.145]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0604F1A1B86 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 02:40:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by sainfoin.extra.cea.fr (8.15.2/8.15.2/CEAnet-Internet-out-2.4) with ESMTP id u0RAelar025083 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 11:40:47 +0100 Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 7D6D8205972 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 11:48:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from muguet1.intra.cea.fr (muguet1.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.6]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73D6220593E for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 11:48:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from [132.166.85.60] ([132.166.85.60]) by muguet1.intra.cea.fr (8.15.2/8.15.2/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.4) with ESMTP id u0RAekKp018615 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 11:40:47 +0100 To: its@ietf.org References: <568A8A23.7070705@gmail.com> <568B71D9.8060105@gmail.com> <568CFDF8.6040802@gmail.com> <56A78BB5.5040200@gmail.com> From: Alexandre Petrescu Message-ID: <56A89EAE.2030007@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 12:40:46 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56A78BB5.5040200@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [its] proposed agenda for BoF in Buenos Aires X-BeenThere: its@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: ITS at IETF discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 10:40:52 -0000 Hello ITSers, This is the proposed agenda for the ITS BoF in Buenos Aires: - tutorial of IP in vehicular communications - 20min Alex Petrescu - ITS use-cases C-ACC and Platooning - 10min draft-petrescu-its-cacc-sdo-04.txt Alex Petrescu - ITS V2I problem statement - 5min draft-jeong-its-v2i-problem-statement-00 (soon to be submitted) Jaehoon Paul Jong - ITS V2V problem statement - 5min draft-petrescu-its-problem-00.txt Dapeng Liu - ISO TC204 needs - 10min Alex Petrescu - Other SDO needs of V2V and V2I: ETSI, SAE, 3GPP, ITU - 10min Alex Petrescu - Solution space, one particular solution - 5min Sri Gundavelli - Charter proposal - 10min Alex Petrescu - Discussion - 45min Yours, Alex Le 26/01/2016 17:07, Alexandre Petrescu a crit : > Should we split the agenda more precisely? > > Alex > > Le 06/01/2016 13:43, Alexandre Petrescu a crit : >> Following private feedback - update of the agenda to include a specific >> item for ISO TC204 needs: >> >> 2-hour slot: >> - tutorial of IP in vehicular communications >> - ITS use-cases C-ACC and Platooning >> - ITS problem statement drafts: V2V, V2I, DNS, security >> - solution space >> - ISO TC204 needs >> - Other SDO relationships >> - Charter proposal >> - 30minutes discussion. >> >> Alex >> >> Le 05/01/2016 08:33, Alexandre Petrescu a crit : >>> >>> >>> Le 04/01/2016 19:08, Russ Housley a crit : >>>> If you want to for a WG, then there needs to be presentation and >>>> discussion of a draft charter. >>> >>> Yes, the agenda should include a discussion of the Charter proposal, see >>> below. I will soon post the charter proposal on the email list as well. >>> >>> 2-hour slot: >>> - tutorial of IP in vehicular communications >>> - ITS use-cases C-ACC and Platooning >>> - ITS problem statement drafts: V2V, V2I, DNS, security >>> - solution space >>> - SDO relationships >>> - Charter proposal >>> - 30minutes discussion. >>> >>> Alex >>> >>>> >>>> Russ >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 4, 2016, at 10:05 AM, Alexandre Petrescu wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello ITSers, >>>>> >>>>> I would like to propose the following agenda for discussion during BoF >>>>> in Buenos Aires: >>>>> >>>>> 2-hour slot: >>>>> - tutorial of IP in vehicular communications >>>>> - ITS use-cases C-ACC and Platooning >>>>> - ITS problem statement drafts: V2V, V2I, DNS, security >>>>> - solution space >>>>> - SDO relationships >>>>> - 45minutes discussion. >>>>> >>>>> Alex >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> its mailing list >>> its@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/its >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> its mailing list >> its@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/its >> > > _______________________________________________ > its mailing list > its@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/its > From nobody Wed Jan 27 05:55:12 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBCD81B2E41 for ; 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Wed, 27 Jan 2016 15:02:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from muguet1.intra.cea.fr (muguet1.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.6]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 628F22016BF for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 15:02:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from [132.166.84.213] ([132.166.84.213]) by muguet1.intra.cea.fr (8.15.2/8.15.2/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.4) with ESMTP id u0RDsxbj000818 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 14:54:59 +0100 To: its@ietf.org References: <568A8A23.7070705@gmail.com> <568B71D9.8060105@gmail.com> <568CFDF8.6040802@gmail.com> <56A78BB5.5040200@gmail.com> <56A89EAE.2030007@gmail.com> From: Alexandre Petrescu Message-ID: <56A8CC33.6040102@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 15:54:59 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56A89EAE.2030007@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [its] proposed agenda for BoF in Buenos Aires X-BeenThere: its@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: ITS at IETF discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 13:55:07 -0000 New agenda with modified slot for Sri: - tutorial of IP in vehicular communications - 20min Alex Petrescu - ITS use-cases C-ACC and Platooning - 10min draft-petrescu-its-cacc-sdo-04.txt Alex Petrescu - ITS V2I problem statement - 5min draft-jeong-its-v2i-problem-statement-00 (soon to be submitted) Jaehoon Paul Jong - ITS V2V problem statement - 5min draft-petrescu-its-problem-00.txt Dapeng Liu - ISO TC204 needs - 10min Alex Petrescu - Other SDO needs of V2V and V2I: ETSI, SAE, 3GPP, ITU - 10min Alex Petrescu - Mobility requirements in connected rail deployments - 5min Sri Gundavelli - Charter proposal - 10min Alex Petrescu - Discussion - 45min Le 27/01/2016 12:40, Alexandre Petrescu a crit : > Hello ITSers, > > This is the proposed agenda for the ITS BoF in Buenos Aires: > > - tutorial of IP in vehicular communications - 20min > Alex Petrescu > > - ITS use-cases C-ACC and Platooning - 10min > draft-petrescu-its-cacc-sdo-04.txt > Alex Petrescu > > - ITS V2I problem statement - 5min > draft-jeong-its-v2i-problem-statement-00 (soon to be submitted) > Jaehoon Paul Jong > > - ITS V2V problem statement - 5min > draft-petrescu-its-problem-00.txt > Dapeng Liu > > - ISO TC204 needs - 10min > Alex Petrescu > > - Other SDO needs of V2V and V2I: ETSI, SAE, 3GPP, ITU - 10min > Alex Petrescu > > - Solution space, one particular solution - 5min > Sri Gundavelli > > - Charter proposal - 10min > Alex Petrescu > > - Discussion - 45min > > Yours, > > Alex > > Le 26/01/2016 17:07, Alexandre Petrescu a crit : >> Should we split the agenda more precisely? >> >> Alex >> >> Le 06/01/2016 13:43, Alexandre Petrescu a crit : >>> Following private feedback - update of the agenda to include a specific >>> item for ISO TC204 needs: >>> >>> 2-hour slot: >>> - tutorial of IP in vehicular communications >>> - ITS use-cases C-ACC and Platooning >>> - ITS problem statement drafts: V2V, V2I, DNS, security >>> - solution space >>> - ISO TC204 needs >>> - Other SDO relationships >>> - Charter proposal >>> - 30minutes discussion. >>> >>> Alex >>> >>> Le 05/01/2016 08:33, Alexandre Petrescu a crit : >>>> >>>> >>>> Le 04/01/2016 19:08, Russ Housley a crit : >>>>> If you want to for a WG, then there needs to be presentation and >>>>> discussion of a draft charter. >>>> >>>> Yes, the agenda should include a discussion of the Charter proposal, >>>> see >>>> below. I will soon post the charter proposal on the email list as >>>> well. >>>> >>>> 2-hour slot: >>>> - tutorial of IP in vehicular communications >>>> - ITS use-cases C-ACC and Platooning >>>> - ITS problem statement drafts: V2V, V2I, DNS, security >>>> - solution space >>>> - SDO relationships >>>> - Charter proposal >>>> - 30minutes discussion. >>>> >>>> Alex >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Russ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 4, 2016, at 10:05 AM, Alexandre Petrescu wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello ITSers, >>>>>> >>>>>> I would like to propose the following agenda for discussion during >>>>>> BoF >>>>>> in Buenos Aires: >>>>>> >>>>>> 2-hour slot: >>>>>> - tutorial of IP in vehicular communications >>>>>> - ITS use-cases C-ACC and Platooning >>>>>> - ITS problem statement drafts: V2V, V2I, DNS, security >>>>>> - solution space >>>>>> - SDO relationships >>>>>> - 45minutes discussion. >>>>>> >>>>>> Alex >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> its mailing list >>>> its@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/its >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> its mailing list >>> its@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/its >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> its mailing list >> its@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/its >> > > _______________________________________________ > its mailing list > its@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/its >