From jefsey@jefsey.com Mon Jul 5 07:10:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: iucg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: iucg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C6013A6902 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2010 07:10:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_95=3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0ETDme-PH+ww for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2010 07:10:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from montage2.altserver.com (montage2.altserver.com [72.34.52.22]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE693A67A5 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2010 07:10:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 41.71-227-89.dsl.completel.net ([89.227.71.41]:58050 helo=jfcmsc.jefsey.com) by montage2.altserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OVmNf-0006M6-FK; Mon, 05 Jul 2010 07:10:44 -0700 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20100705155231.05e49b00@jefsey.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 16:10:42 +0200 To: iucg@ietf.org,workon@idna2010.org From: jefsey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - montage2.altserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jefsey.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: listegenerale@franceatlarge.org, ga@large.org, governance@lists.cpsr.org, comptoir@cafedu.com, at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org, maaya@funredes.org Subject: [iucg] appeal published by the IAB X-BeenThere: iucg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: internet users contributing group List-Id: internet users contributing group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 14:10:46 -0000 http://iab.org/appeals/2010-06-06-morfin-idna-iab-appeal.pdf The text of my appeal over how to publish IDNA2008 and to follow on its architectural implications was put on line by the IAB. --- Le texte de mon appel sur la manière de publier IDNA2008 et de suivre sur ses implications architecturales a été mis en ligne par l'IAB jfc From jefsey@jefsey.com Fri Jul 30 15:11:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: iucg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: iucg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E479F3A693E for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2010 15:11:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gOLqzf2UmOjG for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2010 15:11:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from montage2.altserver.com (montage2.altserver.com [72.34.52.22]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93D373A68E1 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2010 15:11:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 75.27-225-89.dsl.completel.net ([89.225.27.75]:56593 helo=jfcmsc.jefsey.com) by montage2.altserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OexoD-0004fC-Oi; Fri, 30 Jul 2010 15:12:06 -0700 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20100730224900.0723bd30@jefsey.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 00:12:52 +0200 To: internetcontent-choice-access@eurodig.org, From: jefsey In-Reply-To: <0MHATX-1Oig0E0CKg-00E2bG@ml.kundenserver.de> References: <0Ln6ds-1PD6LZ18tp-00h6MX@ml.kundenserver.de> <0MHATX-1Oig0E0CKg-00E2bG@ml.kundenserver.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_1349173196==.ALT" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - montage2.altserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jefsey.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: iucg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [iucg] [internetcontent-choice-access@eurodig.org] Resolution on net neutrality by Transatlantic Consumer Dialogue X-BeenThere: iucg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: internet users contributing group List-Id: internet users contributing group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:11:43 -0000 --=====================_1349173196==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 18:23 30/07/2010, Sahel, Jean-Jacques wrote: >Comments from list members would be welcome! > >Jean-Jacques http://iucg.org/wiki/Net-Neutrality (it belongs to the http://iucg.org/wiki/Translating_Civil_Society_preocupations section). ------ Jean-Jacques, I do not think it is possible to obtain by resolutions and by laws, what the technology has not been designed for. Machines do not read resolutions, they obey programmes designed after standards discussed by engineers. Engineers seldom read resolutions because they do not speak their language and are paid to read their employer's policy statements. This is why the first thing to do is to specify (in engineer's words) a technology adapted to what you want (today the technology is developped along what merchants want: this is something well documented by the IAB as the main risk for the Internet, in RFC 3869). Then to develop it. Then to test it. Then to make it a standard. Then to make sure it deploys and is supported. All this is network adminance. Then and only then you can motion and lobby for the law to enforce and protect what you already have permitted and demonstrated. This is network governance. Your priority should be to help us (Internet Users Contributing Group) list the technical requirements to best support what you call net-neutrality: - so we can explain them together in their own words to the IETF engineers. - se we can integrate them into the documentation of the IUI (Internet Use Interface), i.e. the user oriented additional layers that have been introduced by the IDNA2008 concepts and we wait for the response of the IAB to know how and where to start documenting it. Best jefsey morfin iucg facilitator --=====================_1349173196==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 18:23 30/07/2010, Sahel, Jean-Jacques wrote:
Comments from list members would be welcome!

Jean-Jacques

http://iucg.org/wiki/Net-Neutrality
(it belongs to the http://iucg.org/wiki/Translating_Civil_Society_preocupations section).

------

Jean-Jacques,

I do not think it is possible to obtain by resolutions and by laws, what the technology has not been designed for. Machines do not read resolutions, they obey programmes designed after standards discussed by engineers. Engineers seldom read resolutions because they do not speak their language and are paid to read their employer's policy statements.

This is why the first thing to do is to specify (in engineer's words) a technology adapted to what you want (today the technology is developped along what merchants want: this is something well documented by the IAB as the main risk for the Internet, in RFC 3869). Then to develop it. Then to test it. Then to make it a standard. Then to make sure it deploys and is supported. All this is network adminance.

Then and only then you can motion and lobby for the law to enforce and protect what you already have permitted and demonstrated. This is network governance.

Your priority should be to help us (Internet Users Contributing Group) list the technical requirements to best support what you call net-neutrality:

- so we can explain them together in their own words to the IETF engineers.
- se we can integrate them into the documentation of the IUI (Internet Use Interface), i.e. the user oriented additional layers that have been introduced by the IDNA2008 concepts and we wait for the response of the IAB to know how and where to start documenting it.

Best
jefsey morfin
iucg facilitator --=====================_1349173196==.ALT--