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X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 01:56:24 -0000 --_000_308819275C8340DF8D7F17A2B5EE208Aisocorg_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Manycouches team, Any interest in having an informal meeting sometime during the week in Seou= l to talk about how we maybe start filling in some parts of the document? Perhaps one evening or maybe for a breakfast? Just curious, (and realizing that the people who have agreed to be part of= this are some of the busiest people at an IETF meeting...) Dan -- Dan York Senior Content Strategist, Internet Society york@isoc.org +1-802-735-1624 Jabber: york@jabber.isoc.org Skype: danyork http://twitter.com/danyork http://www.internetsociety.org/ --_000_308819275C8340DF8D7F17A2B5EE208Aisocorg_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <2235C6C868F6F24090990E25624B61ED@namprd06.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Manycouches team,

Any interest in having an informal meeting sometime during = the week in Seoul to talk about how we maybe start filling in some parts of= the document?
Perhaps one evening or maybe for a breakfast?

Just curious,  (and realizing that the people who have= agreed to be part of this are some of the busiest people at an IETF meetin= g...)

Dan

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Dan York
Senior Content Strategist, Int= ernet Society




--_000_308819275C8340DF8D7F17A2B5EE208Aisocorg_-- From nobody Wed Nov 9 23:36:12 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 607A81294DB for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2016 23:36:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.397 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.397 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qf_vaO-7uSSy for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2016 23:36:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from brc1.unina.it (antispam.unina.it [192.132.34.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E353B129551 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2016 23:36:07 -0800 (PST) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1478763362-05ce3701d13d59b0001-dnAp5i Received: from smtp1.unina.it (smtp1.unina.it [192.132.34.61]) by brc1.unina.it with ESMTP id kuHVrCnuEei98FIf (version=TLSv1 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 10 Nov 2016 08:36:02 +0100 (CET) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: spromano@unina.it X-Barracuda-Apparent-Source-IP: 192.132.34.61 Received: from [100.102.27.59] ([100.102.27.59]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp1.unina.it (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id uAA7a1HM021478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 10 Nov 2016 08:36:01 +0100 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-B422462E-D621-4C01-B1EE-B8903F83739B Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Simon Pietro Romano X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [Manycouches] Any interest/availability to meet in Seoul? X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (14B100) In-Reply-To: <30881927-5C83-40DF-8D7F-17A2B5EE208A@isoc.org> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 08:36:00 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <2B5AACE6-E88D-4FFA-BC6D-5DC36CEF83CE@unina.it> References: <30881927-5C83-40DF-8D7F-17A2B5EE208A@isoc.org> To: Dan York X-Barracuda-Connect: smtp1.unina.it[192.132.34.61] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1478763362 X-Barracuda-Encrypted: AES256-SHA X-Barracuda-URL: http://192.132.34.50:8000/cgi-mod/mark.cgi Received-SPF: softfail (unina.it: domain of transitioning spromano@unina.it does not designate 100.102.27.59 as permitted sender) X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at unina.it X-Barracuda-BRTS-Status: 1 X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: 0.00 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=0.00 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=6.0 tests=BSF_SPF_SOFTFAIL, HTML_MESSAGE, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.2, rules version 3.2.3.34389 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.00 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.00 MIME_QP_LONG_LINE RAW: Quoted-printable line longer than 76 chars 0.00 BSF_SPF_SOFTFAIL Custom Rule SPF Softfail Archived-At: Cc: "manycouches@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Any interest/availability to meet in Seoul? X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 07:36:10 -0000 --Apple-Mail-B422462E-D621-4C01-B1EE-B8903F83739B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Dan, you can count me in, should you organize an informal meeting on the subject.= See you in Seoul! Simon Inviato da iPhone > Il giorno 10 nov 2016, alle ore 02:56, Dan York ha scritto= : >=20 > Manycouches team, >=20 > Any interest in having an informal meeting sometime during the week in Seo= ul to talk about how we maybe start filling in some parts of the document? > Perhaps one evening or maybe for a breakfast? >=20 > Just curious, (and realizing that the people who have agreed to be part o= f this are some of the busiest people at an IETF meeting...) >=20 > Dan >=20 > -- > Dan York > Senior Content Strategist, Internet Society > york@isoc.org +1-802-735-1624 > Jabber: york@jabber.isoc.org=20 > Skype: danyork http://twitter.com/danyork >=20 > http://www.internetsociety.org/ >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Manycouches mailing list > Manycouches@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches --Apple-Mail-B422462E-D621-4C01-B1EE-B8903F83739B Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hello Dan,

you can count me in, should you organize an informal meeting on the subject.

See you in Seoul!

Simon


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Il giorno 10 nov 2016, alle ore 02:56, Dan York <york@isoc.org> ha scritto:

Manycouches team,

Any interest in having an informal meeting sometime during the week in Seoul to talk about how we maybe start filling in some parts of the document?
Perhaps one evening or maybe for a breakfast?

Just curious,  (and realizing that the people who have agreed to be part of this are some of the busiest people at an IETF meeting...)

Dan

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I'd like to - might be worth putting out a poll on availability.

Melinda

--001a114d75646e440b0540ee0549-- From nobody Thu Nov 10 10:40:39 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCD67129979 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 10:40:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lLNbdc0sK_KE for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 10:40:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yb0-x230.google.com (mail-yb0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c09::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 38A4C12988D for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 10:40:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-yb0-x230.google.com with SMTP id v78so92358153ybe.3 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 10:40:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=fXUxOWoSOGMpt6Xf/YPjRzC9Tak9ImTvN9jBMldKl3A=; b=I+lXAn292Iq9yS53Tl15+lJMfGZ6NjjSDCalrMS9GZrlxuuOQedHWe7TkNDsf/Ji1y sXPfkLmyWG2KjfKsgfFThK6tCzLkJp+SWM/tSifSWDpof1lwN7xq8t9y4nrdawgJYnXD vl0K4u3obK3R7Ba0Mja43ejHra3QAvQv9hdnNyKh2fRmF7zZruaUxe5760tLsIC1PC51 dAZr1FiqvM/gtDU5h316BznxJ5zpgVF50gX5SxPEYQWCQ3oCF3x1jFApO4ctAQgrtFnQ ieF86VQcRzRfyVQn23b/CFMMZ5GLfE+mEtfFfT8C9mgDuWTXtucDM0eWGnTRYgOgeuRg Lphw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=fXUxOWoSOGMpt6Xf/YPjRzC9Tak9ImTvN9jBMldKl3A=; b=j5/OETCgrdkz4cat8Fj/lRVJpGEyoN5lbPr35RPWCsIQlHsOYRNdGKOIGG6n1G7IQ2 KRdlA8eAzEoFO9bIfBX8SQsP/ZdA0pVA1UQEZlxxn1399mMwsDWxQCK6v/MgbeGSOtmu kJuQa+L78QrhQDepaVVcmshK7ICHa/Bz+KVzcV5wQur55NdAlRQNB44YY17E2NieymY/ WJGiKGrQkEslS/qBdBL87aRx/+I3aq2q/2Ah/0qQfCpGxWcBqnrHJeASFMWVfBMb9NhO HjW0IaS7oWXAX+eMYShZjJq8ZadPTH7jmA+zsnv1KZshFk/PmzUVmlC8WJML+j6fYlij VE1g== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngve2JJvFjoUFvJaauWW505s1ZUhzDx7gOdKPSpzxC/I3uoIU/3kFVf5/37q7eyTg8xrDVQojG4T5TC6Ddw== X-Received: by 10.37.161.131 with SMTP id a3mr6764822ybi.125.1478803235378; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 10:40:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.129.56.7 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 10:40:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.129.56.7 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 10:40:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <30881927-5C83-40DF-8D7F-17A2B5EE208A@isoc.org> From: Alia Atlas Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 13:40:34 -0500 Message-ID: To: Melinda Shore Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f403045c5fba8999f90540f6b515 Archived-At: Cc: Dan York , manycouches@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Any interest/availability to meet in Seoul? X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 18:40:38 -0000 --f403045c5fba8999f90540f6b515 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I'd be happy to, if we can find a slot. On Nov 10, 2016 3:18 AM, "Melinda Shore" wrote: > I'd like to - might be worth putting out a poll on availability. > > Melinda > > _______________________________________________ > Manycouches mailing list > Manycouches@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches > > --f403045c5fba8999f90540f6b515 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'd be happy to,=C2=A0 if we can find a slot.


On Nov 10, 2016 3= :18 AM, "Melinda Shore" <melinda.shore@gmail.com> wrote:

I'd like to - might be worth pu= tting out a poll on availability.

Melinda


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I have most dinners open and can contribute home-like sounds bringing Jude along. :-)

Kathleen 

Please excuse typos, sent from handheld device 

On Nov 10, 2016, at 2:18 AM, Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@gmail.com> wrote:

I'd like to - might be worth putting out a poll on availability.

Melinda

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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 20:00:57 -0000 --_000_E97438207DEF4574987ED5AC8D631B61isocorg_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable manycouches team, As a number of people have expressed interest in meeting both in email and = to me in person, let's try a Doodle poll to find out if people are actually= available at a common time: http://doodle.com/poll/hmx5xphmwq2ih48p Feel free to throw notes in the comments there if you have other suggestion= s. If anyone remote wants to join in, I can set up a Zoom session to bring peo= ple in. Dan -- Dan York Senior Content Strategist, Internet Society york@isoc.org +1-802-735-1624 Jabber: york@jabber.isoc.org Skype: danyork http://twitter.com/danyork http://www.internetsociety.org/ --_000_E97438207DEF4574987ED5AC8D631B61isocorg_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <42B9E2ECDC711C42898E3A8D329F3EBC@namprd06.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable manycouches team,

As a number of people have expressed interest in meeting bo= th in email and to me in person, let's try a Doodle poll to find out if peo= ple are actually available at a common time:


Feel free to throw notes in the comments there if you have = other suggestions.

If anyone remote wants to join in, I can set up a Zoom sess= ion to bring people in.

Dan

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Dan York
Senior Content Strategist, Int= ernet Society




--_000_E97438207DEF4574987ED5AC8D631B61isocorg_-- From nobody Sun Nov 13 21:56:53 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: manycouches@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA07D129674 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:56:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z0yMbcgA4Zan for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:56:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qk0-x232.google.com (mail-qk0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1379C1294C6 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:56:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qk0-x232.google.com with SMTP id q130so84463067qke.1 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:56:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=9rNfWRq39A6Pyqnry1kefE1rSZFKs3NxI8l7kpkSyBs=; b=W+yIEq4so28O5SDOrLf1QGYX+iqq1/42A9G3PCW84TVGPsC4W0K4PaRnXkFYBoBKrc Q02/YcVi1VwMjAPX8XEW5OmQzMPfyBh28t2MSapib9ACclLdzNETPOexZXzwIMXWGxLf L/Gs1Vki5FoxAgPmmTx4Poc7yzjCMTx+FzDifw0cKAcb2NzrKtz5a7cysrDRFu7oCXW2 w8M9XSFQaQ9qUmYF938Oy2L2qvUDhmE1rBNcadPQLX0pk2/vAbbAsdt1SSPsNlrb7dM/ 0DG4ZNRrPz37yzohVbyNN+ZyuJy70UgKCFCe5pIczzj5zDV0QcGJ/ZUbOCOgv7j9LgD+ NYiQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=9rNfWRq39A6Pyqnry1kefE1rSZFKs3NxI8l7kpkSyBs=; b=l0U1ZLDZ94E/73PBjLwv3YAi0QMy+calKV4+1vVH/q8BP5spavyBlghrjU14KnHOjZ VDdBsycQ5Wz3vjyRO7DVry2G6ad0vHc0zyuQr2DIt3ojb0GfaloWI8GbjIohwRdEOsUX YMNSF5KlP9hARROvxB2Kd0uT8OE2A/5wNXFq/esHbOTtTs0hldju3dNBy9bS51YD/05m EMY8FVl1qD/Cknjq6Bt0OyqltIsrJF6imcf8WNEjdd38lSnzuTRLZm24BrRA4OsukMzF nIBjtMVihPHNUSYbCPzluvuZ/Dmoagtq7gFxRdovs/B7J23gi/4kp6Dk3QCi0hCBuUs5 v33w== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngvfySV0li51zJQfhJmVS3liDlGHIvKfsvKntYYSIxNNL0qQct51ph4vTYx00B/w73s2rw1wIqbyYVvfsRQ== X-Received: by 10.55.200.27 with SMTP id c27mr14312218qkj.276.1479103009208; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:56:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.200.34.228 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:56:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Alia Atlas Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 00:56:48 -0500 Message-ID: To: Dan York Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c1582c733fbd05413c8103 Archived-At: Cc: "manycouches@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Manycouches] POLL - time for an informal "manycouches" meeting X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 05:56:52 -0000 --001a11c1582c733fbd05413c8103 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Alissa is also interested... On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Dan York wrote: > manycouches team, > > As a number of people have expressed interest in meeting both in email and > to me in person, let's try a Doodle poll to find out if people are actually > available at a common time: > > http://doodle.com/poll/hmx5xphmwq2ih48p > > Feel free to throw notes in the comments there if you have other > suggestions. > > If anyone remote wants to join in, I can set up a Zoom session to bring > people in. > > Dan > > -- > Dan York > Senior Content Strategist, Internet Society > york@isoc.org +1-802-735-1624 > Jabber: york@jabber.isoc.org > Skype: danyork http://twitter.com/danyork > > http://www.internetsociety.org/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Manycouches mailing list > Manycouches@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches > > --001a11c1582c733fbd05413c8103 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Alissa is also interested...

On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Dan York= <y= ork@isoc.org> wrote:
manycouches team,

As a number of people have expressed interest in meeting both in email= and to me in person, let's try a Doodle poll to find out if people are= actually available at a common time:


Feel free to throw notes in the comments there if you have other sugge= stions.

If anyone remote wants to join in, I can set up a Zoom session to brin= g people in.

Dan

--
Dan York
Senior Content Strategist, Internet Socie= ty
Jabber:=C2=A0york@jabber.isoc.org=C2=A0
Skype: danyork =C2=A0=C2=A0http://twitter.com/danyork






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SFS:(10009020)(7916002)(24454002)(199003)(377454003)(46034005)(189002)(101416001)(106116001)(106356001)(105586002)(2351001)(68736007)(66066001)(8676002)(33656002)(5640700001)(5660300001)(99286002)(6916009)(36756003)(110136003)(86362001)(2950100002)(7906003)(2906002)(87936001)(7846002)(7736002)(3660700001)(107886002)(92566002)(3280700002)(229853002)(82746002)(122556002)(50986999)(81166006)(81156014)(1730700003)(8936002)(97736004)(2900100001)(189998001)(54356999)(2501003)(15395725005)(450100001)(77096005)(102836003)(83716003)(6116002)(76176999)(3846002)(104396002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; SCL:1; SRVR:CY1PR0601MB1659; H:CY1PR0601MB1657.namprd06.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: isoc.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_8DB6D3094EAB4005A3E823AE3EB650CDisocorg_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: isoc.org X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 14 Nov 2016 22:57:49.9288 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 89f84dfb-7285-4810-bc4d-8b9b5794554f X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: CY1PR0601MB1659 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Manycouches] POLL - time for an informal "manycouches" meeting X-BeenThere: manycouches@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List is a design team list to identify issues that would arise should an IETF meeting ever be held with O\(1000\) 'remote' participants." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 23:07:56 -0000 --_000_8DB6D3094EAB4005A3E823AE3EB650CDisocorg_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Right now it's looking like Thursday between 6-7pm (the hour right before B= its-n-Bites) is the best available options. Anyone else want to indicate they can come at that time? http://doodle.com/poll/hmx5xphmwq2ih48p As far as a room, do any of you IESGers know if the IESG room (Park Ballroo= m 3) would be available in this Thursday time slot? I was just there for = a meeting last night and it worked well. Dan On Nov 14, 2016, at 5:00 AM, Dan York >= wrote: manycouches team, As a number of people have expressed interest in meeting both in email and = to me in person, let's try a Doodle poll to find out if people are actually= available at a common time: http://doodle.com/poll/hmx5xphmwq2ih48p Feel free to throw notes in the comments there if you have other suggestion= s. If anyone remote wants to join in, I can set up a Zoom session to bring peo= ple in. Dan -- Dan York Senior Content Strategist, Internet Society york@isoc.org +1-802-735-1624 Jabber: york@jabber.isoc.org Skype: danyork http://twitter.com/danyork http://www.internetsociety.org/ -- Dan York Senior Content Strategist, Internet Society york@isoc.org +1-802-735-1624 Jabber: york@jabber.isoc.org Skype: danyork http://twitter.com/danyork http://www.internetsociety.org/ --_000_8DB6D3094EAB4005A3E823AE3EB650CDisocorg_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <6EDF05F85F661349A259C171A8FBDFCF@namprd06.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Right now it's looking like Thursday between 6-7pm (the hour right before B= its-n-Bites) is the best available options.

Anyone else want to indicate they can come at that time?


As far as a room, do any of you IESGers know if the IESG ro= om (Park Ballroom 3) would be available in this Thursday time slot?   = I was just there for a meeting last night and it worked well.

Dan


On Nov 14, 2016, at 5:00 AM, Dan York <york@isoc.org> wrote:

manycouches team,

As a number of people have expressed interest in meeting bo= th in email and to me in person, let's try a Doodle poll to find out if peo= ple are actually available at a common time:


Feel free to throw notes in the comments there if you have = other suggestions.

If anyone remote wants to join in, I can set up a Zoom sess= ion to bring people in.

Dan

--
Dan York
Senior Content Strategist, Int= ernet Society





--
Dan York
Senior Content Strategist, Int= ernet Society




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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 23:23:27 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_E031D4DF-4E4D-4FE0-85F3-85958171697D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > On Nov 15, 2016, at 7:57 AM, Dan York wrote: >=20 > Right now it's looking like Thursday between 6-7pm (the hour right = before Bits-n-Bites) is the best available options. >=20 > Anyone else want to indicate they can come at that time? >=20 >> http://doodle.com/poll/hmx5xphmwq2ih48p = > As far as a room, do any of you IESGers know if the IESG room (Park = Ballroom 3) would be available in this Thursday time slot? I was just = there for a meeting last night and it worked well. It is available. I marked this meeting down in the wiki so we can use = it. Alissa >=20 > Dan >=20 >=20 >> On Nov 14, 2016, at 5:00 AM, Dan York > wrote: >>=20 >> manycouches team, >>=20 >> As a number of people have expressed interest in meeting both in = email and to me in person, let's try a Doodle poll to find out if people = are actually available at a common time: >>=20 >> http://doodle.com/poll/hmx5xphmwq2ih48p = >>=20 >> Feel free to throw notes in the comments there if you have other = suggestions. >>=20 >> If anyone remote wants to join in, I can set up a Zoom session to = bring people in. >>=20 >> Dan >>=20 >> -- >> Dan York >> Senior Content Strategist, Internet Society >> york@isoc.org +1-802-735-1624 >> Jabber: york@jabber.isoc.org =20 >> Skype: danyork http://twitter.com/danyork = >>=20 >> http://www.internetsociety.org/ >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 > -- > Dan York > Senior Content Strategist, Internet Society > york@isoc.org +1-802-735-1624 > Jabber: york@jabber.isoc.org =20 > Skype: danyork http://twitter.com/danyork = >=20 > http://www.internetsociety.org/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Manycouches mailing list > Manycouches@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches = --Apple-Mail=_E031D4DF-4E4D-4FE0-85F3-85958171697D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
On Nov 15, 2016, at 7:57 AM, Dan York <york@isoc.org> = wrote:

Right now it's looking like Thursday between = 6-7pm (the hour right before Bits-n-Bites) is the best available = options.

Anyone = else want to indicate they can come at that time?


As far as a = room, do any of you IESGers know if the IESG room (Park Ballroom 3) = would be available in this Thursday time slot?   I was just there = for a meeting last night and it worked = well.

It is = available. I marked this meeting down in the wiki so we can use = it.

Alissa


Dan


On Nov 14, 2016, at 5:00 AM, Dan York <york@isoc.org> = wrote:

manycouches team,

As a number of people = have expressed interest in meeting both in email and to me in person, = let's try a Doodle poll to find out if people are actually available at = a common time:


Feel free to throw notes = in the comments there if you have other suggestions.

If anyone remote wants = to join in, I can set up a Zoom session to bring people in.

Dan

--
Dan York
Senior Content = Strategist, Internet Society
york@isoc.org   = +1-802-735-1624
Skype: danyork   http://twitter.com/danyork






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Dan York
Senior Content = Strategist, Internet Society
york@isoc.org   = +1-802-735-1624
Skype: danyork   http://twitter.com/danyork





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Manycouches@ietf.org
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Are there any other documents we should create? (And if so, who will do= so?) 4. Next steps ------- That's just my suggestion... I'm open to whatever anyone wants to suggest. If you are remote and want to join in, let us know. I can fire up a Zoom se= ssion for remote people to join in. See (some of) you tomorrow, Dan -- Dan York Senior Content Strategist, Internet Society york@isoc.org +1-802-735-1624 Jabber: york@jabber.isoc.org Skype: danyork http://twitter.com/danyork http://www.internetsociety.org/ --_000_510EEFF31A87443192FC1A9624F0CE00isocorg_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <9B88918D01DC274694947522D42A6507@namprd06.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A reminder that we'll have a brief meeting of the manycouch= es team tomorrow (Thurs) between 6-7pm (the hour right before Bits-n-Bites)= .

We will meet in Park Ballroom 3, the IESG's room, on level = 5.

If you want to indicate you are coming, the Doodle poll is = here:  = http://doodle.com/poll/hmx5xphmwq2ih48p 
At this point you can just show up.

I will throw this out for a suggested agenda:
-------
1. Looking at the draft - https:= //tools.ietf.org/html/draft-manycouches-completely-virtual-meetings&nbs= p;- are there any areas we're missing? in terms of identifying questions to be asked?

2. How do we start filling in answers to the questions in t= he draft?  Who wants to start writing any particular sections?

3. Are there any other documents we should create?  (A= nd if so, who will do so?)

4. Next steps
-------

That's just my suggestion... I'm open to whatever anyone wa= nts to suggest. 

If you are remote and want to join in, let us know. I can f= ire up a Zoom session for remote people to join in.

See (some of) you tomorrow,
Dan

--
Dan York
Senior Content Strategist, Int= ernet Society




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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 19:10:16 -0000 manycouches team, Here are some brief notes I took from our session in Seoul. Please feel fr= ee to send along any additional comments, feedback, corrections. Thanks, Dan ------------------------------ Thursday, Nov 17, 18:00-19:00, IESG room, Park Ballroom 3 Attendees: Suresh, Alia Atlas, Alissa Cooper, Greg Wood, Ray Pelletier, Sim= on Romano, Alexa Morris, Dan York, Kathleen Moriarity, Lou Berger, Melinda = Shore 1. Looking at the draft - https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-manycouches-com= pletely-virtual-meetings - are there any areas we're missing? in terms of i= dentifying questions to be asked? - User behavior - Setting time aside - remote attendees should think about how they bloc= k off the time needed to participate - Building relationships, having fun - comment that so much of the relationship building happens through s= haring dinners, going off in groups - Calendars for users - could there be a way for users to be able to share when they are go= ing to be in different sessions? Or when they would be available to "hang o= ut" virtually? - (discussion about presence, interoperability and limitations of cur= rent group calendar systems) - Technology - some type of "persistent chat" would be useful so that people can conn= ect and scroll back to see what discussions were had - virtual participants need to "backup connectivity" if their main conne= ction goes out, e.x. PSTN for calling in - recommendations should be developed for client-end infrastructure (to = fully participate, you should have x, y, z...) - Administration - the long-term impact still needs thinking through 2. How do we start filling in answers to the questions in the draft? Who w= ants to start writing any particular sections? 3. Are there any other documents we should create? (And if so, who will do= so?)=20 (merging these two questions together as the discussion flowed between them= ) - Discussion about how to proceed. One sense was to start with virtual inte= rims and to focus on what would happen in a "small meeting" situation. - Another thread was to focus on "disaster plan" scenario. For example, wha= t happens if a blizzard hits Chicago (or a tsunami or monsoon hits Singapor= e) in the days right before a meeting and no one can fly in to attend. - More interest in pursuing the "small virtual meeting" scenario initially. - People willing to help with a "small meeting" document included: - Kathleen - Stephen (he was not there but was volunteered by people in the room) - Greg - Alia - Simon (willing to help with technology sections) - Both Alia and Lou said they would *use* the plan for a small meeting if i= t is created. - On the disaster plan, there was some discussion about exercising the plan= *during* an IETF meeting, i.e. trying out, for instance, using MeetEcho se= rvers located offsite in VMs. Alissa also mentioned that Cisco has an "Even= t Manager" tool that might be something to consider. - Also on the disaster plan it was suggested to talk to the NOC/operations = team to see what plans they may already have. 4. Next steps - Three documents may ultimately be created: 1. the current document outlining overall questions and potentially agg= regating/summarizing answers 2. a smaller document outlining the plan for a small virtual meeting 3. a smaller document outlining the plan for an emergency meetin - There was discussion about how to get more people involved and writing te= xt, given how busy the people in the room were. - One thought was to solicit input/participation from MTGVENUE WG maili= ng list, as many of the people there may be interested in this kind of topi= c. - People involved with various "remote hub" efforts may also be potenti= al candidates. - Dan to update the main document with some of the points discussed. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 20:15:50 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms070205080204030205040905 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A couple of notes on the notes... (nothing major though) On 23/11/16 19:10, Dan York wrote: > manycouches team, >=20 > Here are some brief notes I took from our session in Seoul. Please fee= l free to send along any additional comments, feedback, corrections. >=20 > Thanks, > Dan >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Thursday, Nov 17, 18:00-19:00, IESG room, Park Ballroom 3 >=20 > Attendees: Suresh, Alia Atlas, Alissa Cooper, Greg Wood, Ray Pelletier,= Simon Romano, Alexa Morris, Dan York, Kathleen Moriarity, Lou Berger, Me= linda Shore >=20 > 1. Looking at the draft - https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-manycouches= -completely-virtual-meetings - are there any areas we're missing? in term= s of identifying questions to be asked? >=20 > - User behavior > - Setting time aside - remote attendees should think about how they = block off the time needed to participate Having now been remote for 2 IETFs with crap timezone differences, what I found myself doing was allocating the same timeslots each day (though not every day) for IETFing. For IETF97 that meant for a couple of hours around midnight with a couple of morning slots (both local time for me). I've no idea if that'd be a pattern for many folks but it might. > - Building relationships, having fun As an FYI, I was as happy to take the piss out of folks remotely as in person:-) > - comment that so much of the relationship building happens throu= gh sharing dinners, going off in groups > - Calendars for users > - could there be a way for users to be able to share when they ar= e going to be in different sessions? Or when they would be available to "= hang out" virtually? > - (discussion about presence, interoperability and limitations of= current group calendar systems) Not sure the latter is so likely. Attending sessions remotely may be as good as it gets. > - Technology > - some type of "persistent chat" would be useful so that people can = connect and scroll back to see what discussions were had > - virtual participants need to "backup connectivity" if their main c= onnection goes out, e.x. PSTN for calling in > - recommendations should be developed for client-end infrastructure = (to fully participate, you should have x, y, z...) >=20 > - Administration > - the long-term impact still needs thinking through >=20 >=20 > 2. How do we start filling in answers to the questions in the draft? W= ho wants to start writing any particular sections? > 3. Are there any other documents we should create? (And if so, who wil= l do so?)=20 >=20 > (merging these two questions together as the discussion flowed between = them) >=20 > - Discussion about how to proceed. One sense was to start with virtual = interims and to focus on what would happen in a "small meeting" situation= =2E >=20 > - Another thread was to focus on "disaster plan" scenario. For example,= what happens if a blizzard hits Chicago (or a tsunami or monsoon hits Si= ngapore) in the days right before a meeting and no one can fly in to atte= nd. >=20 The disaster plan is I think worth a look. That will eventually happen. > - More interest in pursuing the "small virtual meeting" scenario initia= lly. >=20 > - People willing to help with a "small meeting" document included: >=20 > - Kathleen > - Stephen (he was not there but was volunteered by people in the ro= om) Heh:-) Happy to help though. Cheers, S. > - Greg > - Alia > - Simon (willing to help with technology sections) >=20 > - Both Alia and Lou said they would *use* the plan for a small meeting = if it is created. >=20 > - On the disaster plan, there was some discussion about exercising the = plan *during* an IETF meeting, i.e. trying out, for instance, using MeetE= cho servers located offsite in VMs. Alissa also mentioned that Cisco has = an "Event Manager" tool that might be something to consider. >=20 > - Also on the disaster plan it was suggested to talk to the NOC/operati= ons team to see what plans they may already have. >=20 >=20 > 4. Next steps >=20 > - Three documents may ultimately be created: > 1. the current document outlining overall questions and potentially= aggregating/summarizing answers > 2. a smaller document outlining the plan for a small virtual meetin= g > 3. a smaller document outlining the plan for an emergency meetin >=20 > - There was discussion about how to get more people involved and writin= g text, given how busy the people in the room were. > - One thought was to solicit input/participation from MTGVENUE WG m= ailing list, as many of the people there may be interested in this kind o= f topic. > - People involved with various "remote hub" efforts may also be pot= ential candidates. >=20 > - Dan to update the main document with some of the points discussed. >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Manycouches mailing list > Manycouches@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >=20 --------------ms070205080204030205040905 Content-Type: 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